What I would like to see on this channel for forgiving clubs like this is how they perform in a regular average golfer's hands. Contrary to what KZread comments suggest, Rick is actually a good ball striker so would be more useful to see some 15-20 handicap come out and hit them on the simulator as well

@ryankolpack2396

27 күн бұрын

He actually used to do this way back in the day in his older videos on his main channel. You could probably watch a couple of those and I'm pretty sure the sane logic would apply.

17:14 - A higher handicap can't hit a two iron, Huge smile on my face as I sit here with Ricks old 2 iron at the side of me that have gave me at Wallasey Golf Club! I've been hitting it well, I love it hahaha!

13:16 “Some would describe me like that” LOL wow Rick the timing and everything on that was comedian level funny. Laughed out loud

I'm a 6 hdcp and game the G430's. A good number of the guys I play with who are low single digit handicaps play SGI irons. It's all about the gapping for sure. I have my own launch monitor and simulator in my house and I can say for sure the pings are very consistent with distance and spin rate through the bag and not as left biased as other SGI sets. As others have stated a lot of pro's are playing cavity back irons from 7 iron down to 4. I can still shape the G430's to some extent. Nothing like a blade and I did game blades for many years. Taylormade RAC LT's and Callaway Aprex blades over the years. Got crushed in a league playoff match with low single digit guy playing Callaway Mavrik max irons. Just point and click straight shots with very little effort. Got to talking to him and asked him why he played SGI irons when he was such a good ball striker. He said "why make the game harder than it already is". He said what he gives up with shot shaping he makes up for in forgiveness and accuracy. I play 4 wedges with my pings. Pings are 4 - pw and then I have 46, 50, 54, 60 wedges. Like Rick I carry the G430 7 iron around 170 - 175. 8 Iron is 160, 9 is 150, pw is 135 to 140. They are great clubs and I think more single digit guys should play with SGI irons. Now when I show up to a match and the guy I'm playing has blades I know I have a huge advantage. That and having my own indoor simulator helps also. I'm a convert to SGI irons for life at this point.

@1967andrewd

Ай бұрын

Great comments. I play Stealth irons are am very happy with them. 7 handicap. I also had the thought that, well, I'm not prefect at golf and I will take whatever help I can get. I now don't tend to have those massive hooks and slices that I sometimes had with my old irons. Now it's more a fade and looking at my divots I can tell why. Simply a bad swing, nothing to do with the club. I got the Stealth's on the back of both Rick's and P Finch's testing of them. I don't find I hit them any further than my old set except I hit them a lot straighter.

@sylvandude1

Ай бұрын

I agree, I am low handicap and I use apex dcb, looking at the ping i530s, forgiving and forged!

@kevinwash74

Ай бұрын

Great Comment And advice. I go between Mavriks and Mizuno MP 4H. The absolute beast in my bag is a Ladies Cobra 26 degree 4H. I added 3 pieces of lead tape. Don't Laugh 😂 I carry this thing over all trees about 175. The ball and club combo falls out the sky and is very accurate.

Rick, I was playing Taylormade GI irons for years, the last set being the Stealth irons. I found them long, forgiving, but somewhat unpredictable, and not very precise. As my game improved, I tried P790s and similar. But, after playing GI irons so long, I just couldn't get comfortable with the size behind the ball. I was really torn. Ultimately, I went with PXG Gen 6 irons which kind of split the difference. They aren't as chunky as Stealth, they are forged, they are much easier to control, but still confidence inspiriting behind the ball. Highly recommend!

Awesome video. I’ve played around with newer irons and the Cobra was my choice. My only gripe with all of these is you get your distances dialed in but every 10 shots or so one gets hit perfect and flys 15+ yards farther than when you normally hit it.

@andrewstephens4500

Ай бұрын

That's better than it has been. I have TM Speedblades and for me it's one in 5, big reason why I'm moving to P7MC

@BigDawgCAM

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I’ll never go to hollow backs for that exact reason. 15 yards short could cost me a stroke, but 15 yards long could cost me 2 or 3

I'm fairly new to golf. I'm 30 and my buddy i play with is in his 60's. He showed me a set of Cobra Transition irons, and i ended up buying my own set. I know they're SUPER forgiving irons that are meant for high handicappers (which I am). I absolutely love them and they help me so much on the course.

I lived this experiment in real life. I was still using my Tommy Armour 845’s from about 1992 3 years ago. My buddy got me back into golfing a lot and he ended up getting a set of Callaway Rogue X irons for me which are identical to his except he is a lefty. He doesn’t know much about clubs and I didn’t want him to feel bad so I used them for 1.5 years. Those Callaways are super forgiving, had regular graphite shafts compared to my normal stiff steel. It took me a while to adjust my swing to them but, I did get pretty used to them. I shot good scores with them and laughed when I mishit them and my ball was near the hole or at least on the green. Unfortunately I couldn’t shape them very well. But hitting them straight was easy. This year I got a new set of Mizuno JPX Tours and love them. So yeah I lived this experiment.

That was an abrupt ending to the video. Great review of all 3 as always. As someone who needs forgiving irons this has been insightful. Thanks.

I’m a 15 handicap and i went with the G430s because i love the look and feel. You definitely don’t just have to be a high handicap to use these clubs. They are very consistent and forgiving. And i feel like 90% of casual golfers consistency and forgiveness is exactly what we need

Let's be real, the majority of people getting fitted into these clubs aren't getting the 4 iron

@Rancher2201

Ай бұрын

Did u mean a 2 iron🗿

@fzwhockey

Ай бұрын

I wish they came 3 to pw. I done want to add a hybrid when I've had a 3 iron for so long

@andybt3989

Ай бұрын

With the G430 you don’t need the 5 iron.

@robjung2018

Ай бұрын

Kinda wish it did. I ended up getting a g425 crossover 2 iron. Blessing in disguise as the standard 4 iron would come with stock steel shaft. I think I enjoy having graphite in my driving iron

@socalgolf9978

Ай бұрын

Or 5 or 6 iron

Think it’s time for you to put a game improvement set of irons in the bag…maybe we can finally break 75!!!!

@tactful_colt8536

Ай бұрын

I think he should do the dynapowr forged irons. Right in the middle. Still some workability but you’re not alone like blades

@eagle-mangolf271

Ай бұрын

I was getting ready to write this! Put the dark speed in the bag and see what you can shoot when you’re hitting a 7 iron from 200 yards lol

@Daniel189HLL

Ай бұрын

He's on Wilson now. I think he'll score well with them.

@easytouch77

Ай бұрын

I would love to see a Dynapwr Review. Wilson doesn’t get enough pub.

Mizuno Hot Metal 923, you can get a brand new set for under $1k USD. Absolutely love them, have 4-GW, and it has given me the confidence to start to build myself up while breaking 85 consistently this year.

Great video Rick, I just got fit for some Srixon zx4 mk2, would love to see you review some Srixon products as so many other channels love them !

How many noticed the special effects added when Rick smashes a club? The studio shakes and there's a flash of light. 😂

Great review Rick, the game improvement irons are so forgiving it is really hard not to game them. I am on the bubble between forged and game improvement at a 10 handicap. I choose forgiveness (Mizuno JPX 923 Hotmetal) on the miss hit and play them a bit right to compensate for the ball turning over vs. the punishment I get from the forged on a mishit. Keep the great content coming!

Love my G430 irons 🙌🏽

This video is exactly why I re-shafted my clubs 3 yrs ago. I started playing again 6 yrs ago and bought a set of King Cobra II’s that were made in 1996. The old gentleman I bought them from took very good care of them as they were n great condition and still had the original Cobra grips on them. I re-gripped the clubs and played with them for 3yrs. I started noticing a broad dispersion but consistent distance. It felt like the regular flex shaft was flexing a lot giving me the broad dispersion. I started researching new clubs and found the manufacturers were strengthening the angle of the club face for more distance. I was looking for distance I wanted to narrow the dispersion. A friend of mine that I play with occasionally build clubs and gives lessons after talking with him and hitting a bucket of balls while watched I decided that I would re-shaft the clubs. I loved the feel and it was way cheaper than replacing my clubs. I have every club 1-9 irons and all 4 wedges. I went with ProjectX Catalyst in a stiff shaft. They feel great, tightened my dispersion, and even gained some distance. And, by the way, I CAN hit the 1 iron - off the ground or a tee😅

absolutely love my G430's. they feel amazing and i have a habit of hitting out of the toe a lot and they help so much

I remember you talking about strong lofted forgiving irons and they had one problem. Touch around the greens. I found a set from a brand called Thomas golf, they are forgiving irons with bladed lofts and increase in shaft length by 1.5 inches, I love these irons and I think you should compare them to the current sets that you are reviewing today

I got fitted and picked up a set of Tour Edge Exotics and I love them. Amazing feel.

I tested the Taylormade, ping, and cobra irons. When I tried the Fourteen TB5s, I was blown away. Ikr what it was but they felt so smooth and comfortable.

The more I watch scratch or near scratch golfers review clubs, the more I think blades are hurting their scores rather than helping.

@Hixyboyblue

Ай бұрын

No chance. A decent golfer doesn't necessarily want or need blades but they certainly want to look at a smaller profile and more importantly, they want little offset and plenty of spin control. I cannot imagine playing with something like the clubs in this video. I play 221's and my 7 iron goes 168yds. I have no idea how far that Darkspeed 7 iron would go in my hands but probably over 200yds and with no spin control whatsoever. A turned over shot would go absolutely miles. Golf is about how useful your misses are. Misses with these clubs would be "interesting"

@Mtnbike121

Ай бұрын

​@@Hixyboyblue 40% tour players use cavity backs and 30% use a mixed set, while 30% use only blades. Less and less players are using blades.

@Hixyboyblue

Ай бұрын

@@Mtnbike121 yes, with small profiles, forged and spin control. How many use rocket cast clubs?

@Mtnbike121

Ай бұрын

@@Hixyboyblue Nice of you to move the goal post, they still arent blades at the end of the day. If 70% of the tour isn't using blades, there is a good chance the scratch golfer shouldn't use them either.

@Hixyboyblue

Ай бұрын

@@Mtnbike121 I am moving no goalposts. The original post here was about blades harming good golfers. I made a point of highlighting why the properties of blades like neutral offset, higher spin, workability etc shit what a better ball striker needs when compared to what powerful and forgiving game improvement irons provide. There is a place for both as they provide the tools for quite specific applications. Plenty of touring pros use cavity players irons but they mostly, like blades, offer very little forgiveness, offset or additional speed from the face. Is that slightly more objective for you? I'm a nutshell, how many Taylor made staff players are using the QI irons? There is a reason for that. I would not have replied to the video on its own as these irons are brilliant for the masses. But someone wrote about bladed or muscle backed irons being detrimental to good golfers. That is somewhat of a sweeping statement that is simply not true. Like the implication that a scratch player could be a poor ball striker relative a tour pro. You might be surprised to see how many good ball strikers there are out there shooting level par but in no way due to a mustard short game.

Honestly I’ve tried a lot of game improvement irons but my favorite were Yonex ezone 3.0 irons. They really helped uplift my golf game.

Iv got PXG xcor2's in the bag, i played yesterday and had an absolute mare off the tees. Irons saved me from a score card bottom line like some small countries GDP. One thing i might change is the wedges, pretty damn good already but stopping power could be better. As such im gonna have a fitting on 28th for gen 5 irons and wedges. Mainly because they are just £109 a club with PXG'S heroes program and clearance deals. May end up with a combo set. Xcor2's will then end up at my brothers in Spain for when i go out there. Don't let your egos rule out forgiving irons.

I play Titleist T-400's and love them but Rick is 100% correct about needing more wedges. I carry a 43/49/55/60 wedges. My PW is 38 degrees so the extra wedges are absolutely needed for me.

I bought my first set of clubs 10 years ago. I just happened to be scrolling thru and saw this review. It's crazy to think, my Yellow Nike Vapor Speed was considered strong lofted back then, at 32 deg 7 iron 44 deg PW; and now 10 years later the clubs have shifted one entire number. The ping is equal to my 6 and the PW is equal to my 9.

As a high handicap player, I wish club manufacturers would stick a little closer to traditional lofts on irons so they weren't so misleading during fittings. I'm currently playing a set of Taylormade M4s that have been modified to 2 degrees stronger than traditional lofts. It corrected the gapping issues at the bottom of the bag, have 4 degrees between each club, and only had to purchase one 60 degree wedge to finish. Also on a side note for my fellow golfers that are also consistently inconsistent, a 2 iron is a wonderful asset to have. I find it easier to hit my Ping g425 2 iron on the bad days where I just can't get the driver or woods to work for me. Something to try if you have the same struggles I do. 😅

Definitely should try the Srixon ZX4 MK2 they are amazing and look great too. An excellent game improvement iron imo!

I like how low profile the face is on the cobra. Rick for funsies would you consider filming a round with these Cobras fitted and whatever the longest driver/woods are? Curious to see how bomb and gouge would impact your scores. Anyhow, not a fan of offset on most GI irons but the cobras ridiculous distance interests me. Keep the reviews coming.

I just bought a set of g430 after trying all of the brands and being fitted. I gained 20 to 30 yards on all my clubs and interested to see and hear what he thinks. I tried searching for a vid of his on the irons and there wasn't one before I bought them.

@patcurtis5287

Ай бұрын

Curious, since that's an insane amount, what other brands and/or lofts compared to the G430? Brands trick out lofts by lowering them yet calling them the same iron. Unless you're a slow swinger and hit it short, distance is not the important stat to look at when being fitted. What was the landing angle with that distance gain?

@socalgolf9978

Ай бұрын

Some of these sgi irons are 2 clubs stronger

@gaberohrbach7542

Ай бұрын

@@patcurtis5287 Newer cavity back irons have a lot more weight at the head than older ones which would inevitably increase distance too

@Daniel189HLL

Ай бұрын

Can't go wrong with pings pal.

We need more numbers on the HIT channel. Dynamic loft and AoA are key as well as landing angle and club speed

Well done nice review sir 🎉🎉🎉🎉

You mentioned lofts and extra wedges at the end of the video. I’d love to see a video that shows the gaping between these kinds of irons and what wedges would be needed

a big hittable face? hahahahahahaha Rick, that made me laugh so hard. Well done

Did anyone NOT expect to see Rick shields?? 😂

would love to see you review the Bombtech 4.0 irons .. its what i have and i think theyre less than 400 bucks for a whole set... although those QI10's would look good with my 3 wood ;)

With a 200 yard 7 iron, that is some Wyndam Clark distance!!!!!! Crazy what jacked lofts and a little tech can do.

I’ve been playing taylormade p760s for 4 years, going to go to the darkspeed irons this year. Not practicing as much as I use to and need the forgiveness of a big iron. Love the look and feel of the cobras, tried quite a few different ones

@joshcook4479

Ай бұрын

Just bought a used set of p760s for £250 and loving them so far

@timdetrick3837

Ай бұрын

@@joshcook4479 I love my p760s, just not quite the ball striker I was in the past 😂 you’ll enjoy them

I feel these clubs are more for the player that needs/wants forgive but also for someone that also needs the help to get distance. For myself I was after forgiveness but didn't need or want more distance as I was more wanting tighter dispersion so I ended up going for the Mizuno pro 245 hallow bodied irons

As a high handicapper, the most important thing is dispersion, not distance. I'm happy to hit a 7 iron 150 yards but not happy to hit it 70 yards right! Include this in future reviews!

The gapping issue from the stronger lofts is real. I got fit for the Ping G430's but discovered I was going to have to carry 5 wedges, which for my game seemed completely silly. Instead I bought the G425's which were less crazy in the lofts.

I still revert back to my Ping Zing 2 irons from time to time. I re-shafted them with senior graphite shafts a few years ago. I only carry the 7i-PW. When they came out, people were reluctant to accept game improvement clubs. I don't care about the looks, can a club help me score was more important at the 19th hole.

You gotta give Takomo irons a try with your game. They are half the price of all of these but display incredible performance with forgiveness.

@andybt3989

Ай бұрын

But you can’t try before you buy!

@lawbinson

Ай бұрын

Or Caley, or RAM. They’re the same generic club heads

@andyfrizzell4352

Ай бұрын

Or MacGregor, Sub 70, Costco, Tour Edge etc

@nomadvehr827

Ай бұрын

I do like the clean looks on them

I'm a laughable 36 handicapper (I swear it's the putting lol). Got the darkspeeds about a month ago and I love them but the grey scratches alot! In fact I've even seen some marks on the plastic inserts which is a smidge annoying but they're nice clubs. Not as light as day the Callaway big Bertha's but nice clubs

Have had my G430's for just over a year now. Rediculously easy to hit. Got them in 5-PW and once I realised how big the gap was from PW to my 52 Vokey I swapped it out for 50 degree G430 which is now my favourite club. If I could get a bit more spin off the 7-PW they would be perfect but they are doing a great job for now. Maybe next year I'll see if the latest are any better.

@Enarjay7891

Ай бұрын

Try going to a higher spin ball to bridge the gap. Chrome Soft X could be a fit

@drichcymru

Ай бұрын

​@Enarjay7891 Wilson Staff Model is the ball I've been using.

It's all about shot dispersion. I feel this most important category was skimmed over. Ping wins here imo.

10:13 I’ll say that the tendency to make the ball draw makes me able to take a very simple and natural swing, with very quiet hands, that very easily results in a straight ball or small fade. I still hit bad balls, because I’m not perfect, but I think everyone who’s not a tour pro should be playing game improvements. I’m a single digit handicap and I’ve played game improvement Cobra Radspeed irons for a year and a half. They’ve been a big reason my handicap has gone from 20+ to 8 since I got them

@capnhook33_

Ай бұрын

I'm the same way. I even went to the one length on the radspeed and this video really shows how much loft affects the distance more than the shaft length. That little bit of offset let's me just swing with a little hold off and the ball just goes arrow straight. I'm not the longest hitter (Right around average or maybe just above), but my misses tend to be either short or long, not left or right, and that makes scoring so much easier.

Really enjoyed the comparison in this video. But even if SGI irons would suit me better, I think I’ll have to stick with my Adams Golf Tight Lies Plus. They are still doing strong around the course and currently there isn’t room in the budget for replacements anyways.

I'm still playing the Ping ISI irons and I think they look good.

@lawbinson

Ай бұрын

Agreed! They actually have a really thin top line

i use cleveland xl zipcore irons with a midsize grip.found them far better than the pings

I need to upgrade my forgiving irons to some traditional lofts... It's so silly when your 7-iron goes 180 yards 🤣 I agree, they're so easy to start left and cause issues with distance unless you want to carry 4 wedges and exceed 14 clubs.

Got my eye on the wilson dynapower forged

Callaway apex dcb for the win. Combo’d with the regular apex is a thing of beauty. Bring this back callaway!

Would the key metric be dispersion here - looking for a lower dispersion vs blades at the expense of distance etc?

@Daniel189HLL

Ай бұрын

Absolutely, he didn't make enough out of it. Ping is the winner in the most important category, dispersion.

I have a ping g425 7-hybrid in my bag that is 34 degrees of loft. I need to buy new irons to complete my set. I saw that the g430 8 iron is 33 degrees of loft! Should I go straight for the 9 iron and don’t have a 8 iron in my bag?

@lerugolf

Ай бұрын

lol that seems REALLY silly. just go with the complete set...

I suppose one factor that you haven’t mentioned is how tough the steel composite is and how easily it can damage. I really enjoyed the review thank you.

With the new burner mini driver out, and seeing all the versions of the burner on marketplace, I’ve been wondering what is the difference between all the burner drivers?

So for someone that’s looking to get back into golf basically a beginner would you recommend one of these sets ?

I'd love to see Rick test some cg16 irons and give an honest review! My 7 iron is 31degree 😅😅

Would love to see a comparison of 'player's distance irons' like the mizuno 245, p790, t200, etc

I’m not a robot 🤖 suspicious you and to confirm that for us Rick 15:04 😂😂

Good review, Rick - BUT - you are testing these clubs at what is a high swing speed. I would suggest that for the majority of folks using these clubs, swing seeds will be materially slower. This then brings into question how useful a 27 degree 7 iron is. What you don't focus enough on is the relationship between swing speed and ball height / descent angle. Perhaps if you are serious about reviews, something a little more in-depth? Don't get me wrong - love you and your content but just a suggestion as otherwise it just becomes your personal views of a club after whacking a few balls and with your influence levels, some additional comments around different users might be helpful?

I think a point not mentioned in the numbers is the roll out distance, in the 7-iron numbers the roll is between 4 and 7 yards and these are probabl6 the clubs you are hitting into greens. I would like to see your explanation of the difference between these and a MB/CB iron with descent angle and roll out

Hi Rick, loving the videos. I’m looking at changing my clubs, I’m currently playing off 22, but hoping to get below 20 this year. Have you any recommendations for me to try? I currently play with Wilson D9. Thanks.

Would love you to review the Cleveland HL hybrid like irons. Love the HIT channel and all you channels. Thanks Rick!!!!!

I’d like to see a review of the Srixon ZX5 MK II irons

It would be great for these videos if you could have a picture of the impact spot on the golf club so we can see how the club performs when struck off-centre

Please review the ping i530

I wish rick knew more about the data. the people who these clubs are made for are slower swing speeds that add dynamic loft and slice the ball. having less loft and draw bias helps them out so much. so they are out there to help the 80% of golfers out there.

Hey Rick, love the content, but please review Maltby irons! They don't get nearly enough recognition!

I used to have some Ping G400s and really struggled with them, i found distance control near impossible with them. I always found that id get a random flier in there that flew 15/20 yards further from nowhere.

Interestingly, I went to a TaylorMade fitting a while back. (I didn't buy any, I can't afford that!) but I tested the Qi line. Couldn't hit em. They actually fit me into the P790s. MUCH better club for me. I also already have a "left miss", so the offset/settings on some of these "game improvement" clubs don't actually help me much....

Can you review the HL versions? I got the Callaway AI Smoke HLs -2 degrees and they've been great, only 45 degree PW so not too aggressive but I needed the spin.

Need a comparison video on the darkspeed one length vs standard length

Please review the takomo irons!

I'm a hcp 10 and play Cobra Radspeed, I never understood why people would play blades rather than something that helps you on miss hits

Honestly that dark speed 4 iron at a 2 iron length would be a weapon

13:20 was about to come make that comment as a joke lmao

That cobra 7 iron is virtually my 5 iron !!

My mate plays off 9 and has the G430! He hits the 7 iron 200 yards and carries nothing longer than the 6 iron.

@davewil1973

Ай бұрын

I got fitted for the G430s and given the strong lofts, to match existing wedges went 6 -> w + 45, just imagine the number on them is -1, so the set is really 5-pw. They are very forgiving. The one thing I hate about the G irons is the number stamped on the face.

We need a review on the takomo irons

so if you hit the ball more left what I have to buy...unless be better in my hand-plan-etc swing?😅

I play to about 20 or 24. Went from ancient std lofted clubs to Ping G425`s.. Utterly brilliant clubs and so forgiving.. But I`ve had to learn to play the game again because they fly so high and so long. If you keep changing your irons to the latest and greatest and most forgiving every five minutes are you really going to improve as a mid to high handicap or are you on a constant learning curve of how to hit the clubs the line the distance and the game all over again ????

As an 8 handicap I tried gaming the qi10 but for whatever reason I was getting like 20 yards of roll out. It was strange.

ping zing are one of the best looking irons ever!!

I really wanna see you playing some break 75 episodes with forgiving irons to see what difference they make with a pro golfer!

Please review the new macgregor irons!

I use to game mavriks but the distance was too much. My 6 iron was 24.5. My pw would go 145 bad hit 165 on solid. Now gaming zx5 and zx7 combo. More consistent. I am a 16 handicap.

can you review the ram fx77 and ftx irons please

review the whole lineup of Takomos!

Would you ever consider using the 4 iron from one of these sets to replace your 3-iron?

18.5 is crazy. My Nike Vapor Speed 5 wood is 19...

A big complaint I always hear is the loft of the irons. Would t it make it so much easier to have a 7i length for your 190-200? I have always hated the offset personally.

Test the Cleveland Zip Core XL against those three.

Can you compare a set from 2018 such as the t-mb 718, which used similar tech to modern day irons, to a set from today?

I wanna see you play a round with a set of game improvement irons.

I like the Pings, but I prefer my Takomo 101Ts.

Is loft jacking the equivalent of vanity sizing for clothing?

Gotta review some srixon irons also what about the AI smoke irons?