They spent 2 billion dollars in Avatatar, when all I really want to see is this

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

you win this is my favorite comment

@garima4972

Жыл бұрын

Avatatar 😭

@sunniejjaem

Жыл бұрын

Avatatar HAHSHSHHAHAPLS

@britachii8359

Жыл бұрын

avatatar has me in TEARS

@MelMelodyWerner

Жыл бұрын

Avatatar: The Way of Watater

So the books are basically “traumatised girl gets traumatised by boy, but the boy is also traumatised so he can do whatever he wants” Someones gotta tell her trauma isn’t enough to be the entire plot.

@ashitakedia5814

Жыл бұрын

This explains exactly why Colleen Hoover thought that ‘After’ by Anna Todd is a 5 star book

@letisfia3505

Жыл бұрын

@@ashitakedia5814 WHAT??? THAT PIECE OF SHIT?????? 5 STARS??????

@merediths.693

Жыл бұрын

@@ashitakedia5814 omg I totally thought this comment was a joke until I looked it up....and...dear lord I can't believe that you're right. can't make this sht up

@kitkatbabe

11 ай бұрын

thats not the plot of it ends with us though

@selbyhill4905

11 ай бұрын

I could see it being the It Ends With Us plot only because watching her father abuse her mother and being afraid of him was her “trauma” and therefore “traumatized girl gets boy who is also traumatized”. In this case, what’s his face has trauma over what happened with his brother.

My friend calls Colleen Hoover books "trauma p*rn" and I've never been able to look at her books in any other way. That's exactly what they are.

@polly9537

Жыл бұрын

tbh booktok just has an obsession with “trauma porn” type books. they either heavily romanticise the most grotesque stuff or only serve as intentional triggers for the shock factor (*cough* a little life *cough*)

@whydoimevenhere

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao🤣🤣

@Topdoggie7

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what it is, but as someone who enjoys gore and violence, it's not even that level of good. It's utterly garbage honestly. She could likely write better horror.

@Dev-cw7cn

Жыл бұрын

That's actually a very accurate term🤣🤣

@ashitakedia5814

Жыл бұрын

And not even good p**n😂

Someone said that her books are for adults that never had a fan fiction/wattpad phase and after watching your review of them I completely agree 😅

@Sociallyawkwardperson

Жыл бұрын

This makes me so happy i discovered and had my wattpad phase as a preteen. Imagine spending your money for this-💀

@Topdoggie7

Жыл бұрын

This is so dead on accurate!

@sanazrahimi8935

Жыл бұрын

🤣👍

@Rayowag

Жыл бұрын

I'm 3min into this video and have seen some people mention the contents of her books online and repeatedly thought this exact thing to myself. It just sounds like throwing tropes at the wall and adding shock factor to make it "interesting".

@Bunny-ks1md

Жыл бұрын

so maybe reading crazy shit at 14 wasn’t so bad after all….

personally i see her as inspiration. if these train wrecks can get published, so can i

@spider-woah-man

11 ай бұрын

REAL

@NurG15

11 ай бұрын

YES

@AB-ij2tj

11 ай бұрын

FRR

@genevarh

11 ай бұрын

Yesss I love this 😂

@hopeonmars9047

10 ай бұрын

BESTIE FOR REAL HSKAHSJSHS

The biggest pet peeve (of many) I have with Colleen's writing is that trauma is seen as a personality trait in her characters and she uses trauma to make her characters interesting. Like every book and character are trying to out-trauma each other all the time

@klee5981

Жыл бұрын

LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK🙏🙌👏👏

@str3brry

Жыл бұрын

like it’s always girl/boy in tragedy that cause trauma meets boy/girl that helps their trauma turns out said boy/girl had a hand in causing the trauma

@MollyMundane

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Her characters are dull as dishwater, but add witnessing someone getting killed in front of them in an opening scene and a sleepwalking disorder, and they're instantly fascinating.

@bpbp2116

Жыл бұрын

This is her writing style, if you don’t like it just don’t read her books. She’s a great storyteller

@Kriskzoink

Жыл бұрын

@@bpbp2116 subjective but okay

I think Colleen Hoover books are so popular because the writing is so simple and easy to read. It gets new readers hooked and unfortunately those readers think it is the pinnacle of writing :/

@Maria-vt1yf

Жыл бұрын

Yea honestly. I fell out of reading for a while and read one of her books, and thought it wasn’t too bad, even though I registered some of it was wrong. Later when I was deeper into my reading and reading good books all the time, I realized how bad she and her writing actually is. Sometimes if you don’t have a frame of reference with writing, you won’t be as perceptive to negative tropes

@cookiea2b3

Жыл бұрын

I saw this comment on another video about Colleen Hoover’s books and went something like, “People who like Colleen Hoover’s books are people who are currently going through their Wattpad phase.” I think there was another comment under it saying that these people are also now just getting into reading and books, so they assert Colleen Hoover as the pinnacle of literature.

@Topdoggie7

Жыл бұрын

That's literally what James Patterson did with his shirt chapters he didn't write but takes credit for. It feels like a lot of fast paced reading so it brings in people who don't look beyond the surface much.

@kirbydouglass691

Жыл бұрын

100%. I just love how fast paced her books are

@emanaredzepovic8392

Жыл бұрын

​@@kirbydouglass691 but girl you need to have some standards beside fast pacing... Come on.

I started reading It Ends With Us, and immediately put it down when I found out her name is Lily blossom bloom who owns a flower shop. LIKE PLEASE 💀💀💀

@aeris4k

Жыл бұрын

it’s giving wattpad

@Sociallyawkwardperson

Жыл бұрын

@@aeris4k its giving if Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way had a twin who is a florist with flower asthetic

@lilpotato1039

Жыл бұрын

When I first heart her name on tiktok I literally didn’t believe it, I thought it was a joke lol

@gurnoor3326

11 ай бұрын

@@SociallyawkwardpersonIM CRYING HAHAHAHAHHAHA 😂😂😂😂😂

@bigmacwhooper

11 ай бұрын

@@SociallyawkwardpersonLMFAOOOO

Colleen really looked at the line “we laughed at our sons big balls” and said yes! 🥳 keep that in…

@klee5981

Жыл бұрын

& the fact that probably nobody tried to stop her 💀 like where’s the editors at 😭😭😭

@fx4426m

Жыл бұрын

i wanna know who signed off that for print production. cause i need to have a word with them

@CarlosMSotelo

Жыл бұрын

@@klee5981 What if the editor(s) became so desensitized and left that in, but really took out even more embarrassing bits? 😱

@Topdoggie7

Жыл бұрын

@@klee5981 I've been convinced for a while now that Colleen Hoover doesn't have an editor and even if she does there just a name on the book and they're not actually reading over it. Whenever I read one of her books it feels like she just gets to put in whatever she wants and nobody ever goes in after her and goes 'whoa, this is too much'. Very Sarah J Maas energy.

@blaisetelfer8499

Жыл бұрын

which book is that from?

the wildest thing about ppl saying colleen "made them fall in love with ryle and then it was so heartbreaking when he revealed his true self" is like- bestie. within 20 mins of meeting he's sexualising her and saying he wants to fuck her. he hunted down her apartment to confront and convince her to sleep with him. he took a picture of her - when they were complete STRANGERS - and had it blown up and hung in his sister's house, all distorted so no one would know. they were STRANGERS. get help

@urfavaquarius17

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! And some people say that they were so shocked when they found about Ryle’s true self, like??? He was a red flag since the very beginning and I just knew that something is going to happen without reading spoilers before

@Mia_M

Жыл бұрын

These are the people who don’t recognise red flags and romanticise abusive relationships.

@Dev-cw7cn

Жыл бұрын

Boy was a walking red flag and that's a fact!!!

@farhanurmee

Жыл бұрын

Yup! I was very uncomfortable with this Ryle character since the beginning. I have been reading psychology books for a long time so I recognised the red flags instantly. Ladies, don't ever try to love a man who wants to fuck you on the first day you meet.

@stellegrimmie440

Жыл бұрын

Dude, I was thinking the same thing when I read the first 100 pages of the book. I just thought right away that he was being desperate and manipulative. There's nothing romantic with someone who wants to fuck you against your will and taking a photo of you and putting it on his wall without your consent.

She did actually write a gay character in "It ends with us"! Is he good? No! He's a stereotypical gay friend! There's one scene where he litterly reaches into Lily's dress and adjust her boobs and he excuses it with "Calm down. I've seen better boobs than yours." I just... ew.

@pippaschroeder4388

11 ай бұрын

Oh so I guess its not sexual assault if he's gay? Wow

@sthvxa

11 ай бұрын

Wow ew 🤢

@efflorescentcrystal

11 ай бұрын

I was kinda lost in that part and was questioning if this was even part of the book like 😭😭😭

@miecaf

11 ай бұрын

There's no fucking way bro how have I not heard about this

@randomone532

11 ай бұрын

Wait-? Who is the gay character?

the thing with ugly love is that there is literally no reason for them to be step-siblings. like miles's whole back story would've been just as traumatizing without them being step-siblings. 99% of plot points in coho books are just for shock value instead of actually adding anything to the plot.

@art.65367

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@VeronicaAlvarez-jy3xc

Жыл бұрын

I think she just sits there and think "How can it be more dramatic? More unrealistic, more traumatic? Because I swear there's some ideas that I can't wrapped my head around it, the "baby's balls" really traumatized me

@Topdoggie7

Жыл бұрын

Everyone is somehow a relative in half of her books.

@kavya71954

Жыл бұрын

LITERALLY 😭😭😭

@lauracassin329

Жыл бұрын

the whole step sibling thing is giving p*rnhub

“Lily Bloom Blossom is the botanical equivalent of Cho Chang” Hannah you almost made me spit my coffee out 😂😂😂

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

I literally choked at this part 😂😂😂😂

@Pruvireads

Жыл бұрын

I bet this is going to become like the comment on the reading 5 books i said I’d never read video which has the “they aren’t enemies, they aren’t lovers, they’e just f***ing stupid” so time stamp to this line: 33:34

@304leo

Жыл бұрын

that was peak comedy fr 😭😭

@Enscapemysenses

Жыл бұрын

LFAO 😭😭

@3536sbir

Жыл бұрын

Need this framed💀💀💀💀

Betting Caleb is feeling so vindicated by this wave of Colleen Hoover hate and we are so blessed for it.

@blaqkswan

Жыл бұрын

that's what i thought 😭 he's probably living his best life rn

@mariammasud3691

Жыл бұрын

ahahaha calebs colleen videos ARE HILARIOUS HAHAHA

@yarianarodz7551

Жыл бұрын

I miss Caleb! Is he active on any other social media?

@bookoffholicbookwart5945

Жыл бұрын

Omg yessss.

@arminarlert6011

Жыл бұрын

That man has been warning us since he was 16

A coworker of mine is obsessed with these books and this author and after attempting to read one I genuinely began questioning her mental state and intelligence level. It FRIGHTENED me. Like girl, are you okay?

@sushi3202

11 ай бұрын

I have a few friends who keep reading her books and I’m so confused 😭

@AB-ij2tj

11 ай бұрын

@@sushi3202 no cause fr, from what I recall atleast 50 students at my school ( no like literally 50( like even 6th graders) were reading it ends with us, it was so hyped, I also wanted to read it with the hype so I told one of my friends to give hers to me when she finishes it, but before that my other friend gave me two of her collen hoover books, ig they were verity and november 9 , when I say I read them, I thought to myself, these seems like the ff I read on wattpad when I was 12 so after reading those, I refused to even open it ends with us or any of her books.

@Krovvyk0t

11 ай бұрын

@@AB-ij2tjbro the same thing happened to me, one of my group of friends was reading it ends with us and talking abt it and shit and I wanted to feel included so I wanted to see what the book was about so I read the little summary on the back of it and thought “wtf this is literally just trauma p*rn what’s the big deal” 😭

@AB-ij2tj

11 ай бұрын

@@Krovvyk0t exactly

@jeef0322

9 ай бұрын

i mean i personally don’t like her books but i also don’t like how we’re conflating people’s taste in fiction with how okay they are irl idk

my greatest achievement is when this grandma asked me my thoughts on CoHo (i work in a bookstore) because her FOURTEEN YEAR OLD granddaughter got a bunch of her books recently & i was super honest about how CoHo markets towards young teens but her stuff just glorifies abuse & toxic relationships and should not be in a 14 y/o’s reach. The grandma came back later with all the books and returned them. also, i’m all for not yucking on someone’s yum but the girl was 14. She does NOT need to be reading the things Colleen Hoover writes.

@helloninihere

Жыл бұрын

yeah that's my big issue with alot of the booktok books and authors. Like some of CoHo's earlier works are definitely YA but not her more recent ones and I think booktok popularizing her newer ones makes them seem like they're appropriate but their not, they'd actually be pretty harmful to a teenage girl.

@kimberly.z

11 ай бұрын

can confirm-- i read verity when i was 13 and was VERY scarred for a good month or two

@rahmahshakeer5838

10 ай бұрын

As a fourteen year old I agree

@ChessieChess

6 ай бұрын

Good for you; you saved a young life! 😊

“If she’s selling more books than Jesus, I think it’s fair game.” One minute in and I’m already cracking up 😂👏🏻👏🏻

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

Lmfaooo no cause same 😂😂😂 I literally died

@autumnwinter1462

Жыл бұрын

@@khalilahd. Girl it’s you again

I heard someone say “Colleen Hoover is for people who don’t read” and I think that makes a lot of sense. If someone hasn’t read many books or hasn’t read in a long time and isn’t used to thinking deeply about literature, I could see how someone could be entertained and surprised by these stories. But they’re objectively terribly lmao

@lionmuesli4321

Жыл бұрын

actually, yeah suddenly something makes sense to me. I have a couple classmates that barely read but they do read Colleen Hoover books and they're always really surprised when they see my read something during break time. And it's not like I was hauling around crime and punishment. I was reading red, white and royal blue for crying out loud

@kels306

Жыл бұрын

this omg, ugly love was one of the first few books i read after not reading for like 5 years and i thought it was so good at the time 😭 in hindsight i regret everything

@Sunflower-be5wt

11 ай бұрын

Preach

@catshroom_

11 ай бұрын

No cause actually this is so true. My sister barely reads at all but loves Colleen Hoover books. “It Ends With Us” was the first book she had finished in like….years

@idontwannabemeanymore

11 ай бұрын

this is true lol...i read ugly love a few years ago and i thought it was so well written...it was one of the few books i was starting out with and i didnt know anything abt coho lmao...i regret reading it as my first book

Having masochistically read quite a few CoHo books, I found It Ends With Us to be totally un-self aware. The whole ‘twist’ of Ryle being abusive acts as a commentary on the way romance books often portray red flags as romantic. How Colleen was able to write that novel with a straight face and not once reflect on the fact that her own published works are major contributors to the very thing she’s criticizing is just… astounding.

@helloninihere

Жыл бұрын

I remember reading it starts with us awhile ago and thinking both ryle and atlas (or whatever his name is) were off from the start. I think CoHo kind of copies and pasts the obsessed male and naive female roles over and over. I liked the character development in ISWU and i loved lily and ryle's sister's relationship but yeah, I think the fact that her books are often catered towards young women means that she needs to do a better job of addressing the toxicity of her male characters.

@st4rsholl0w

9 ай бұрын

not to even mention the fact that it ends with us is based on how colleens mom got abused by her dad 😐

@thethoughtsofanobody6769

7 ай бұрын

@@st4rsholl0w As if that wasn't the point, she and her mom have experienced abuse and the fact that it is hard to distinguish between the men that CoHo considers romantic and perfectly fine and the man she wrote to be abusive is blindingly hypocritical.

“she laughed. she laughed hard” colleen has such a way with words…

@randomone532

11 ай бұрын

HAHA OMG😭😂

Its so ironic that i got called misogynist bcs i pointed out sheer sexism and misogyny on colleen hovers books like how is me not wanting to read about girls getting treated as doormats misogynistic???

The fact that lily still wrote letters to Ellen DeGeneres in it starts with us 💀

@rrrraquel9314

Жыл бұрын

you're joking 💀

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

tell me you’re joking…..

@eliofrommars

Жыл бұрын

@@AClockworkReader I'm reading it starts with us right now and sadly they're not joking

@TvNetJunkie

Жыл бұрын

I now regret buying it starts with us 😂

@iVsee538

Жыл бұрын

THIS SHIT KILLED MEEEE😭😭

"she had a thing with one of the PRISON GUARDS" THE LENGTHS THIS WOMAN WILL GO TO TO AVOID WRITING A QUEER PERSON

@piya6929

4 ай бұрын

right? i thought it'd be a fellow female prisoner but the guard? a male one?

The worst one I've read is Maybe Someday. The main guy cheats on his girlfriend who IS TERMINALLY ILL with the main girl but the whole book frames it like you're supposed to root for them??? It's so gross

@richiiauds2715

Жыл бұрын

NO WAY

@strawberryyogurt7

Жыл бұрын

i like some of coho books but maybe someday was seriously so bad

@livw45

Жыл бұрын

it was the 'grand gesture' at the end of that book for me. I don't 100 per cent remember what happened but I remember being traumatised by it. HORRIFIC read

@rarahrararah

Жыл бұрын

smth like that happens in Layla too😭

@sunfish..

Жыл бұрын

That happens in Verity kind of as well????

I’ll pick up the most deranged dark romance titles and happily read disgusting, horrible things. Because they are TREATED like horrible things. We are aware this is vile behavior. There are trigger warnings. CoHo’s work is the literal opposite. You pick up one of her books expecting something romantic just to get hit with a right hook of romanticizing and normalizing toxic, abusive behavior.

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

exactly!!!

@cjanney3592

Жыл бұрын

100%! I read two of her books this year and expected romances going into them and wow… was I wrong. Will never read another of her books.

@courtneychagnon7806

Жыл бұрын

THIS. THIS IS 100% ACCURATE!!!!!

@ragecleaner

Жыл бұрын

Yes THIS is the problem!! It’s the same problem I had with fifty shades of grey.

@minifridge7167

Жыл бұрын

Fr, some people can also become triggered into bad memories and past experiences that they would rather not revisit with Colleen's books. I have read Verity and It Ends with Us (starting It Starts with Us) and I wasn't expecting the abuse and violence in them. I read them because Booktok lead me to think that they were just harmless romance novels. But they were shit books anyways

November 9 remains the only CoHo book I’ve ever read and I will never get over the fact that the mum reads his manuscript (aka the book you’re currently reading) and is weeping and calling it beautiful, which is so clearly just CoHo’s way of calling her own book beautiful 💀💀

@sannemx_

Жыл бұрын

OMG THIS! Thank you 😤

@1998shivani

Жыл бұрын

That is so funny lol

@timus4993

Жыл бұрын

so true it was so bizzare like that man literally caused the fire scaring her daughter entire body and she was weeping and being on Ben's side, this part was so funny 🤣 like it's didn't made sense at all

@tartpeony8446

Жыл бұрын

@@timus4993 and when her friend said she should get back together with ben because her boyfriend liked him?! like what??? you know the drama and he told a stalker where she was??? the two most important women in fallons life push her to be with a crazy abusive guy. I hate this book.

"If we're allowed to analyze why art makes us feels so much, how it can help heal us, we should also be allowed to analyze the way in which it harms us." Yes! Thank you! I 100% agree. That was such a great way to put it and spoke straight from my heart.

@tulipnederlander6632

Жыл бұрын

Jj

My biggest flex is I've never read a Colleen Hoover book . . . and after watching yours, Caleb Joseph's, and Alizee's videos, I never will. ☺☺

@weelomi9961

Жыл бұрын

My biggest flex is I have never even touched a Colleen Hoover book, even though they are around me.

@aprils.r8418

Жыл бұрын

Same Just to think I was really going to take booktok's suggestion ☠️

@alenec

Жыл бұрын

I am going to read Coleen Hoover just cause of all these criticisms about her books from many ytber's I've watched. I've seen Coleen Hoover books quite often though I just shrug it off cause I'm not that into reading paperbacks and her books just look like it's Wattpad on paper. A friend of mine owns an Ugly Love copy so I'll have a read of it soon just to see how bad it is with my own eyes.

@elyphis2105

Жыл бұрын

Its not a flex tbh

@arminarlert6011

Жыл бұрын

@@elyphis2105 Yes girly it is

The fact that these books are sold as 'romances' in this time and age shows a different level of audacity that I just can't comprehend and honestly Hannah tearing them apart is the best early Christmas gift I could have asked for (and one the world desperately needs apparently) ✨️❤️

@gracie9658

Жыл бұрын

People genuinely worry me

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

Lmfaoo couldn’t agree more 😂❤

@UltimaFantasy

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, this world is just becoming messed up, even authors and people think that these things are ok. We’re living in times where the bad is good and the good is bad :(

@mrstrangeworld5977

Жыл бұрын

@@UltimaFantasy no

Coleen Hoover literally ruined my birth date by writing November 9 😂😂

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

i’m so sorry 😭

@irgendwoaunid4048

Жыл бұрын

this too shall pass, wishing you strength girly 😂

@chilling_koala

Жыл бұрын

I feel sorry for you

@NightOwlReader2790

Жыл бұрын

Okay, someone write a great story/song/poem/or any kind of media titled November 9th, so that this individual can associate something nice with their birthday!

@petrichor_and_fire

Жыл бұрын

im SO HAPPY i was born on nov 10

The prompt of November 9 about meeting once every year could be a cute prompt for a fanfiction or a cheesy romance book, but here it doesn't work... Also the male protagonist fetishizing the woman's burn scars WHEN HE KNOWS HE IS THE ONE WHO CAUSED THEM, makes it even creepier...

@kaibaiarrio1299

9 ай бұрын

On top of the fact that there was a scene that had to be rewritten because when it was released colleen accidentally made the guy a canonical rapist

@soph-zv7ci

9 ай бұрын

@@kaibaiarrio1299aaa

My main gripe with CoHo is that all her books feel like trauma porn. Like instead of the plot centering around the characters working through that trauma, or that trauma informing who that character is and why they act the way they do or make the choices they do, it feels like it's just there to shock and upset the reader. It genuinely feels like her goal is to get people talking about how sad/upsetting the books are, not about her actual writing or the plots. Characters can have trauma in their stories and it can be discussed without it feeling exploitive or romanticized.

@astridtot

Жыл бұрын

agreed! can't be willed to take on a book myself atm, but the reviews i've seen for nov.9 really make it seem like fallon's trauma was just fetishized and romanticized the whole time

@thatonedude9744

9 ай бұрын

A perfect example of traumatic events working extremely well and being treated sensitively in a work is Celeste Ng’s “Everything I Never Told You”. It actively explores the ways a family is before and during a terrifying tragedy, with nuance and care.

I’m so ready to listen to Hannah tear those books apart

@ChemicalPenguinn

Жыл бұрын

me too!

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

Lmfaoo no cause same

@elizalange

Жыл бұрын

Me too! The one book of these that I have read was NOT good and i am so excited to hear someone not praise colleen hoover for once

The fact that CoHo named a main character Lily Blossom Bloom and got away with it was concerning 💀

@emanuelagigante3087

Жыл бұрын

and then proceeded to make her A FLORIST of all things

@giuliagondim6092

Жыл бұрын

and the daughter Emerson Dory

@blending_in

Жыл бұрын

@@giuliagondim6092 oh my god I forgot about that

@Lala47362

Жыл бұрын

And “Ryle” I listened to the audiobook and I every time that came up I was like huhhh?, did she think Kyle was too overused or sm

@MelMelodyWerner

Жыл бұрын

Lily Blossom Bloom sounds like a cottagecore Kamen Rider

„He’s birthday is 4th of July, the instant red flag” I died form laughter 😂

@ChessieChess

Жыл бұрын

I came here to ask about that. What am I missing?

@ICTmamaB

11 ай бұрын

Yeah why is that bad?

@ShadowWolf1307

11 ай бұрын

I think it's because the 4th of July in America is the day they celebrate the Declaration of Independence, so it's politically charged and probably patriotic to pick this date as a birthday for a fictional character. But I'm just guessing I'm not an American 😅😂

@ICTmamaB

11 ай бұрын

Damn if that's the reason that's some bs.

@dice412

11 ай бұрын

@@ICTmamaBI guess it’s cuz the American flag has red? 🇺🇸

coho does not even unpack whatever trauma she uses to paint the male characters as "misunderstood victims". they are just for shock value

@VVsupremacy

11 ай бұрын

Completely agree! Also, in almost all her books, the trauma faced by these "misunderstood victims" where born from their own violent actions - like they either killed or almost killed someone, then later found out something, realised they should not have killed or almost killed the victim and THAT becomes the trauma. So repetitive and problematic.

Just stopping by to thank you for the Colleen Hoover discussion….my 16 year old daughter has read a couple of these….while I want her to read and won’t “ban” anything, I can now discuss with her some of these topics so she’s aware that romanticizing toxicity isn’t what we need to be doing…reading it as fiction and fake, yea….romanticizing, no….anyway I don’t read Colleen Hoover but the young folks are and I appreciate this video letting me know what’s in them and thank you for taking the hits for those of us who just won’t lol

I’m the first person to say that everybody should read whatever they like and nobody should be judged by what type of books they enjoy. However, like you said in the video, the fact that these books romanticize abusive relationships is hugely problematic and should be talked about. I’ve seen a few people share these thoughts on tiktok and they were ATTACKED by young teenagers claiming that they just dont know how to enjoy « dark romance ». Whatever you read will have an influence on you and your choices in life, that’s a known fact, so choose wisely please.

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

these aren’t even dark romance!! i can understand some elements of dark romance, but these are just bad 😭

@leighhauserman9549

Жыл бұрын

This is such an important part of the conversation. It’s just being aware of the harmfulness, and being able to think critically about things you like

@monomoon255

Жыл бұрын

maybe those people need to read actual dark romance instead of romanticized abuse💀

@randommm9380

Жыл бұрын

Fr, I've seen 14 yr olds read these books and saying they enjoyed them a lot. It honestly makes me so worried😭

@fionabonto

Жыл бұрын

FR. I was exposed to books about romanticizing abusive relationships when I was a teenager and it really fucked me up. Thank god book reviews like this exist now and I'm finally unlearning problematic shits.

yes! thank you! @ the “romanticizing toxicity” comment. my cousin is a sophomore in high school and i was able to see her on thanksgiving. the entire time she would NOT get off her phone which was very unlike her. (then again, i hasn’t seen her in like three years) she is such a sweet girl, usually keeps to herself and like me, is book-obsessed. moving on, when i made a light joke about her being on her phone so much, she proceeded to tell me about this boy she likes. at first i was like, “aw” because i realized she was not-so-little anymore…until i heard more. i don’t want to air out all of her business, so let me just say this; this boy was TOXIC ASF. my jaw was on the floor the entire time she was talking about how he treats her. there was gaslighting, mental/emotional abuse, narcissistic tendencies in his behavior, and oh so much more. i was in complete shock when she told me how nervous she always felt around him. he would make comments about how she was always shaking/breathing fast and would SEXUALIZE it! this was her first relationship (according to him, they were only in one if it was convenient for him to say so) and she thought it was NORMAL. it’s pretty easy to question why she would stay and endure that from him through my eyes but when she told me what her friends all thought, they also did not see anything wrong with his behavior. mind you, these girls are 15-16 years old. when i explained to her that none of that was normal, she looked at me as if i was speaking another language. i had to stop and ask her if she was seriously convinced this was okay but the more she spoke about their “relationship” the more i realized how much she truly believed that’s how relationships should be. after i talked to her more about toxic relationships, (i could tell she was processing it so i didn’t want to push too much) i took a break , let her process her thoughts and we caught up on some book recommendations. the second she started talking about how her “fav” genre had changed, and she began talking about all of the colleen hoover books she had read, i was like holy hell. i wasn’t a big fan of her before and i sure as hell am not one now. the fact that she romanticizes men abusing women in any way they can is BAFFLING to me. she KNOWS her audience is predominantly young teen girls and you cannot convince me that she is single-handedly influencing an entire generation of girls to settle for this shit.

@nikz219

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's pretty disgusting. I have a habit of buying books in combos without even reading a single book from the same author, if someone recommends me. I bought CH's three book together as the bookstagram was saying they're really good. And I REGRET that decision of mine till this day.

@j4mb4ju1c3

Жыл бұрын

@@nikz219 sell them! LMAO 😭🤣 So many people want to buy them all the time, they’ll go quick for sure!

@livw45

Жыл бұрын

wow that's pretty crazy, good on you for being a support for your cousin, I hoped your chat with her helped her in some way. I was a teen in the era of wattpad fanfiction, and the ones I read was pretty much CoHo but with one direction as characters. I had awful experiences with relationships as a teenager, until I was probably 23? I have always attributed this to books I read romanticising the 'struggle' to get into a relationship (and definitely treated boys like they were my projects). I vividly remember writing in my journal when I was 22 that I could let go of my attachment to thinking love was meant to be dramatic and it was meant to be hard to get there, I think I wrote something like "stop treating your love life like its the plot of a book" because I was unnecessarily attaching myself to people because it made a good story lmao. It's crazy what books that romanticise toxic and even abusive relationships can do to our minds, especially for teenagers who aren't self-aware enough or have the critical thinking skills yet to know better.

Her books make me feel like I could publish my journal from 7th grade and it could possibly be a booktok sensation... having no self respect, thinking my identity depends on the man i end up with, and allowing men to treat me like trash, because i haven't yet gone through enough and hadnt' done enough self work to realize you dont have to be treated this way. Because you don't. Abusive relationships are not sexy, violence and non consent should not ever be romanticized . And what kind of parents are proud of the size of their infant's balls?

@Losos38

8 ай бұрын

This! Reading her books, I literally remembered how I started to write my own “books” in 5-6-7th grade. The wording, the names, the drrrrama! Like, girl, at least take a short online course on writing!

can we appreciate how superior hannah's humour is😭😭

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

ty 😭🫶🏼

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

Hands down top tier

@Pruvireads

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

ahhhhh this is so refreshing. A woman standing up for the rights of colleen Hoover's female characters. MY LORD. How is everyone so blind to the toxicity and abuse these characters experience? How these books are best sellers I will never understand. I felt like I was alone in my feelings but thank you soooo much for keeping me company over here 😂 If you find a good therapist to help me work through the trauma these books have caused please let me know 😖

@vanessasilva4329

Жыл бұрын

@@zinzeenoel129 The problem is that people find it normal to be treated the way the protagonists are in these books and accept it in real life

@JHyde-tv3if

Жыл бұрын

@@zinzeenoel129 The problem is people romanticizing these incredibly harmful and toxic relationships as normal and loving. Which it's not and it should be known. There's isn't a problem in writing your experience, but don't put it through rose-colored lenses.

@sin3358

Жыл бұрын

Well they don't know what a healthy relationship is like. I used to read a lot of these books, until I started healing emotionally. Rn I'm in a very happy and healthy relationship with a partner who CARES and LOVES me. Thinking back to some scenarios in certain books I've seen, I no longer find those cute or romantic, but downright abusive. If my partner did those stuff to me, or me to him, we would be calling the police on each other

@JHyde-tv3if

Жыл бұрын

@@zinzeenoel129 But there is a difference in a "dark romance". There isn't dark romance here because these isn't any romance. You just like reading about abuse. And like you said, to each their own, but don't sugar coat it. I never said authors shouldn't write about it, but most write it in a way where it's like "their relationship is just quirky hehe" when it's not. It's abusive and toxic. Like write one if you want, but don't act like it isn't terrible. Young people who aren't emotion and mentally developed enough won't see it that way.

@porcirain9143

Жыл бұрын

@@zinzeenoel129 yea but it's the way it's viewed I don't have a problem with dark romance if it's labeled as such but her nooks aren't their labeled as r9mqnce books for teenagers

The real crime is that Verity has a higher rating than Rebecca on Goodreads

@brynhild2012

9 ай бұрын

Having read Rebecca, I think it's because it's so gray and unclear. Lots of reviews seem to be like what the heck, I didn't like anyone and couldn't tell who to root for whereas Verity, despite the supposed twist, is way more straightforward in telling you what to think.

I just have to note something that Rachel Oates, a magnificent book reviewer on KZread said about Verity. Everything from the manuscript, whether it's "true" or not, would point to Verity being incredibly mentally ill and unfit to be a mother, and villainizes that. Obviously Jeremy without Verity's consent impregnates her, without ever even checking in with Verity beforehand to make sure she even wants children, a conversation that's absolutely needed before you impregnate someone. We're also told clearly from the manuscript that Verity has a deep seeded eating disorder, body dysmorphia, etc. Which can and will effect the experience of pregnancy. Not only that, but Verity also displays heavy signs of post partum depression and psychosis, which would explain her heavy detachment to her children, and especially the dream she had that she fully believed to be true, that caused her resentment towards a particular daughter. No sane human being would believe a dream far enough as to murder their child. And so, with this being said, Colleen plays with the ignorance around post partum mental illness, as well as eating disorders in order to villainize Verity. If this manuscript were to be true, Verity should've most definitely gotten access to proper health services, as well as felt comfortable with her husband on possibly seeking abortion services. Through the manuscript it is shown time and time again that Verity is afraid to seek out these services in the possibility that it will displease her husband Jeremy. Jeremy through the manuscript and in real time is depicted as a man to be feared, and that is what Verity did. I find it deplorable Colleen's use of her own ignorance in her books being pushed to young adult and teenage women. Colleen has proved time and time again her dislike of women, as well as her heavy belief in the pro-life agenda, but Verity truly takes the cake in solidifying this, considering Colleen's idea of an absolutely wretched, evil woman is a clearly unstable, mentally ill woman who doesn't desire to be a mother.

I haven't read colleen hoover but this isn't surprising, I remember a girl came out to say colleen hoover's son had abused her, and hoover just blocked her and never acknowledged the accusation, which really tracks tbh.

@klee5981

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Speaks volumes honestly

@apolloismydad

11 ай бұрын

wait you mean to say that her son was abused or did the son abuse her?

@annnnxh

11 ай бұрын

@@apolloismydad there were some allegations of colleen hoover's son abusing a girl.

Why do people forget in it ends with us that lily was fifteen and atlas was 18 when they slept together? 🤦🏻‍♀️

@rrrraquel9314

Жыл бұрын

I always point this out! Just another thing that makes Colleen Hoover toxic and weird because there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stopping her from making them the same age, or at least a year apart in age. But NO, she had to make it rape-y and weird, and yet, her fans still defend her till no end

@irgendwoaunid4048

Жыл бұрын

thank you !! I think CoHo made him homeless to balance out the ‚power difference‘ that comes with their ages. Like yeah he’s older but he’s also dependent on her to feed him so it’s ok ?? (spoiler: it’s not).

@katl22

Жыл бұрын

Literally!! I couldn’t get past it

@chilling_koala

Жыл бұрын

No! She think power balance is okay, remember the Slammed trilogy! He made him homeless because she can't write characters without trauma

@_nimrahwaqar

Жыл бұрын

She was 16

I really admire the skill you have in articulating these thoughts. Like when I'm angry about tropes and stories like that, I can't explain it properly, but you always hit every single point that I can't form into words. It's a talent, Hannah! I hope young girls will find your videos and understand your points and keep themselves safe!!

She needs to market her books as dark romance and place trigger warnings in the front 😭

@asofaa

11 ай бұрын

ao3 would love her

@asofaa

11 ай бұрын

except ao3 writers write a little too well sometimes

@chilling_koala

9 ай бұрын

Ffs, no! Abuse is not romance. Not simple romance, not dark romance, not any romance. Stop this.

@miiisssssyyyy

8 ай бұрын

@@chilling_koalaI have yet to read a dark romance without some form of abuse

Lets not forget the fact that in the old editions of November 9 (the unedited version) ben SA the mc and it got brushed off as a sexy scene. I will never forgive the author for that. And the fact that it got edited out just recently is horrifying.

@AkshayaJeyaram

Жыл бұрын

That scene was so traumatising to read.

@-autumnfeelings

Жыл бұрын

And she didn't edit it out because she saw how bad it was. She did it because popular people complained

@lionmuesli4321

Жыл бұрын

just when you think it couldn't possibly get worse it somehow does, huh?

@fx4426m

Жыл бұрын

what’s crazy abt that is that someone her son was involved in came out and said that he assaulted her, and when she came to ms colleen abt it she got blocked 😶

@alyson2298

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been looking to see if anyone brought this up! So glad you did. It’s insane.

Colleen Hoover books are great if you don’t like literature and/or women

@rrrraquel9314

Жыл бұрын

truest statement ever

We ignored the fact that Ben's full name is BENFORD

@gayandafraid_

10 ай бұрын

LMAO

Let’s not forget that she LITERALLY ADMITTED IN VERITY that authors will write the most deranged stuff to make a book in the character of verity! THIS IS WHY I will be team letter, because she basically made verity of her own self! Writing the most traumatic stuff just to write them and saying ‘ writers go in a dark place when they write but they don’t mean it’! COLLEEN IS VERITYYY

@arminarlert6011

Жыл бұрын

Ew

Even as a librarian whose job it is to encourage people to read, no matter what they may choose, I cringe every time I see yet another person pick up a Colleen Hoover book. This video makes me feel so validated ❤️

@sapapillon5176

Жыл бұрын

May I know why pls ? Actually I'm a fan of Colleen Hoover , even if I didn't read a lot of her , so I don't really understand why you cringe (maybe it's not your type of Book ? )

@DisneyWitch22

Жыл бұрын

@@sapapillon5176 did you not watch the video? Maybe that’s why she cringe when someone checks out one or more of her books.

@emilygrace880

Жыл бұрын

I'm also a librarian and it breaks my heart every time a 16 year old comes into the library, often for the first time since being a little kid, asking for CoHo because of BookTok. I just really hope it means they'll read more (better) books afterwards.

@timus4993

Жыл бұрын

@@sapapillon5176 her books are harmful,cuz a lot of young people are reading it, their should be a difference between enjoy a book for book's sake but i see these girls like literally taking these cheating, manipulating, gaslighting, toxic Coho male leads as standard men, this is where things become bad her books are not good for women, even i made my male friends to read her books and they too were like is this romance?

@meherjanurmee9566

Жыл бұрын

@@sapapillon5176 Feeling pity for you. Watch the video plz

Another thing that she always has in her books is a protagonist with no self-love

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

absolutely true

@isaa1782

Жыл бұрын

@@wings2769 you call these stories realistic? Lol

@rrrraquel9314

Жыл бұрын

@@wings2769 not my reality lmao

@chilling_koala

Жыл бұрын

@@wings2769 so, in your reality, gal, no woman has self-respect, every man is abusive and every romantic relationship is toxic and violent? I'm happy I'm not you

@vanessasilva4329

Жыл бұрын

@@wings2769 She writes romance and drama, not biography. Realistic stories is not excuse enough for such irresponsibility when it comes to certain topics

As a writer who's been trying to get a literary agent for 6 years this really stings

@devilinred3319

11 ай бұрын

I mean, CoHo autopublish herself at first. You just get your things out there and then the public its going to find you, if she can, you too. Please.

@kitty0chan444

9 ай бұрын

Omw to read ur books so fast if Colleen mfing Hoover can publish her books AND BE POPULAR

@paintedpools4752

5 ай бұрын

I wish you the best of luck!!!

There is always this underlying misogony in her books shaming other woman if they are different from her self insert yn main character for little to no reason at all while the worst man in the world is the main love interest

I used to really like Colleen Hoover and her books when I started reading them back in 2016, when I was barely 16 years old. And I haven't read her books for awhile (must have stopped in 2018) but I still considered her as one of my favorite authors even. When she got famous and I saw many criticized her works, I was so confused because I genuinely liked all of her books and I felt such a deep connection with her writing and her stories. I wondered why people didn't like her or her writing but I never dived into it. After finding out all the problematic things she's done, I became hesitant to pick up another book from her and it was really disappointing to me since she used to be one my favorites. But after watching this video and listening to Hannah's thoughts and opinions on her books, especially what she said about how the relationships in her books are all abusive toxic relationships but aren't depicted as such (everything from 43:19 to 48:22 but honestly it's the whole video), it made me realize that the only reason why I felt such emotional connection to her characters and stories is because I was in a similar situation where I was being manipulated and lied to and, being at such a young age, after reading Colleen Hoover's books, I was manipulated even further into thinking that that's what love is, that you have to forgive these people for all of the abusive things they've done to you if you love them and that it's okay for them to do that to you. It was only recently that I managed to get myself together and overcome my past relationship, and watching Hannah explain all of the wrong things that are being showcased in these books have really opened my eyes to what I was blinded to all this time. Because, whether I like it or not, these books have deeply impacted me at that age and in one way or another has changed me. I'm just glad that someone like Hannah who has a large following is discussing these things because many young girls read Colleen Hoover and romanticize what she writes (myself included back then) and they have to know that it's not right. Finally, I understand more of what I'd gone through then. So thank you, Hannah, for your suffering because I know it wasn't easy to read all of that but aside from the funny things you've said in this video, you really made me realize something important that I wouldn't have known if it wasn't for you. 🤍

@Sharvalgon

Жыл бұрын

The books are ABOUT society in which women fail to see how douchey men can be. They're not instruction manuals and if you take them at face value then you're probably not old enough to read them.

@TreeDwellingShrimp

Жыл бұрын

@@Sharvalgon That is NOT what the books are about. It might be what YOU took from them, but don't try to gaslight OP. You're not actually wrong about the society Coho is portraying, but that wasn't the intention for her writing it. It's what people with critical thinking skills were able to pick up on (which is why these garbage books are marketed to teens and young adults... The groups who don't have a fully developed brain or the experience to recognize the problematic issues with her stories).

@Sharvalgon

Жыл бұрын

@@TreeDwellingShrimp My goodness you sound angry, both aggressive and passive-aggressive towards me at once. Suggesting I don't have a 'fully developed brain' is rather rude. One can read and interpret a book how they like, and your comment suggests you're a Karen who thinks Hoover's books should be banned or 'cancelled'.

@rei02862

Жыл бұрын

​@@Sharvalgon yeah they show a society like that, but they're never really about them. Colleen Hoover doesn't actually give a fuck about sexual assault (as demonstrated by her response to her son sexually harassing a 16 year old). They're not instruction manuals no, but they're poorly written and told stories

@rei02862

Жыл бұрын

+ books like Rebecca and Wuthering Heights aren't instruction manuals, but they're critically acclaimed cause they're well written and acknowledged for the fucked up stories they are

I cannot stop laughing at that particular poem like wtf was that 🤣🤣🤣 "I have a daughter I've never held, she has a scent I've never smelled. She has a name, I've never yelled. She has a mother who has already failed" 🤣🤣🤣

@kiaradorazio1439

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@AK-rx8gp

Жыл бұрын

The subject matter is so sad and somehow the writing makes it sound so silly

It drives me nuts when people say Colleen Hoover novels have “a lot of smut” the level of spice in CoHo novels is like pepperoni

@Exo-lCaratDeobiDiveFearnotMy

8 ай бұрын

fr i've read a ton of books with more smut🤣🤣. i'm glad that phase is over.😌

sometimes you just need to watch an almost 2 hour colleen hoover rant video… can’t believe you suffered through all of these books i’m so sorry 😭

hannah suffering for an hour and forty minutes straight for our enjoyment...we literally love you so much, thank you for your sacrifice queen 👑🙏

*Hannah:* “The names in these books… Rachel, Miles, Tate, Sam…” *Me:* I can’t wait for her to find out about Fallon, Lowen, Ledger, and LILY BLOSSOM BLOOM 😈

@hq6332

Жыл бұрын

lmao😭😭

@Sociallyawkwardperson

Жыл бұрын

Fucking-Ledger?!!!!! As an accounting student this is traumatising

I went to lunch with a retired colleague a few weeks ago. She's in her late 50s. Smart lady. She mentioned she had picked up Hoover's most recent book. She reads them all. I was kind of stunned. I just can't imagine how this otherwise sensible woman doesn't see these books as deeply problematic.

So….. basically these CH books are like fast food..? Lack of substance, easy to consume, bad for us but addictive. 😅

@radinislam00

Жыл бұрын

Damn! I think I just fall in love with u

@faeryeclair

8 ай бұрын

nah, because fast food tastes good

I just wanted to say that I am a 16 year old girl who is still navigating to through life and learing about love and relationship problems, reading Colleen Hoover books have been abject hell for me. I have made criticisms about her work but am always shunned if it is less than blind praise for her work. Thank you for making this video!💙

@bro.that.is.adorable.2633

Жыл бұрын

I want to recommend THE YEAR I TURNED SIXTEEN. It’s 4 small novels in one and shows 4 different sisters navigating life at 16, making mistakes and learning from them in healthy ways that don’t glamorize toxicity

@midnightblue_s

Жыл бұрын

@@bro.that.is.adorable.2633 thank you for the recommendation, adding it to my tbr :D

@natarsha2203

Жыл бұрын

Would highly recommend any YA book by Melina Marchetta - On The Jellicoe Road, Looking For Alibrandi, Saving Francesca. I read them all at 16 and have re-read them as an adult and they truly stand the test of time. YA masterpieces with not enough hype :) I am also yet to recommend them to a reader (teens and adults alike) who hasn't fallen in love with them.

@midnightblue_s

Жыл бұрын

@@natarsha2203 thank you for replying to me! I am deliriously pleased to have YA book recommendations, will read them soon.

@hasinsomniaandisanaddict8939

Жыл бұрын

Ahhh I feel the same way about her books but when I told my cousins that I have heard some bad thing about her books they told me that nooo 🙅‍♀️ there was no romanticising toxic relationship now after seeing Hannah I won't be going through the torture of reading the book, god save me hopefully they won't yell at me

I love how Hannah read Ugly Love first, so she could get the "worst one" out of the way sooner, but then ended up reading Verity last, the ACTUAL worstly rated book 😂😂😅 You can't escape girl, you need to end all of these videos mad!

when you first started describing "reminders of him", i assumed it would be about the MC being able to come back and have a relationship with her daughter, but through that relationship, kept being _reminded of_ the boyfriend and having to confront her shame and guilt through this connection with her child. i was almost thinking about reading it until you actually described it 😭 imagine fumbling your plot that hard

I read 1 chapter from November 9, and my brain just died after one conversation between Fallon and her father, and as a Literature Teacher I can say that the writing style is garbage and awful.

The blasphemy at Hannah's faves (Howl's and Rebecca) getting fanfic-ized into two novel she hates (ACOTAR and Verity) 😹😹😹

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

they’re targeting me specifically 😭😭

@brinleyknowles

Жыл бұрын

I was today years old when I found out ACTOAR was inspired by HOWLS

@leanykakicsi6152

Жыл бұрын

@@brinleyknowles I thought it was inspired by Beauty and the Beast :o

@catalinamoll6798

Жыл бұрын

​@leányka kicsi This response is really late, but, the first book of ACOTAR (literally by that name) was inspired by Beauty and the Beast, but further in the series she changed the inspiration by making the main love interest (Tamlin) into an abusive and toxic man (which is also how she made Rhysand, the second love interest, but everyone forgives him for it), this changed made the rest of the series' plot similar to Howl's, just with toxic possessiveness and fae characters. Also, Hannah explained in her "I read 5 popular books I said I'd never read... and I wish I hadn't" (may 18th, 2022) that she thought ACOTAR was a Holw's fanfic because of the character's physical descriptions, how Tamlin is blonde like blonde Howl, Lucien is a redhead like when Howl's hair gets dyed ginger/orange, and Rhysand has black hair like Howl (to represent how he changed), so she theorized that despite what SJM says, the book was heavily inspired by Howl's (and Beauty and the Beast).

I always wondered why everyone says that "people who read Colleen Hoover books did not go through a wattpad cringey fan fiction era" and now I know why. I am so beyond impressed that Hannah had the will power to read all these books because I would have just given up after reading Ugly love lol.

You deserve a Reader’s Purple Heart for taking the hit for us. And for finishing them.. I tried to read It Ends With Us and it hit the wall after chapter 3.

Something in addition that makes me mad about ‘It ends with Us’ is people keep confusing ‘This is Where it Ends’ with it. That really sucks because ‘This is Where it Ends’ is a flipping masterpiece by an unproblematic author: Marieke Nijkamp. She did all her research and responds to most emails she gets. It’s really heavy but really good. Anyway, sorry to rave about other books, but it makes me pissed that people confuse them lol. Anyway, great video

@elevensloosehair

11 ай бұрын

...I'm gonna go check her out! She sounds really sweet

@canwegetmuchhigher729

4 ай бұрын

This is where it ends is one of my favourite books of all time

You know what? I’ll take Edward Cullen‘s creepy, obsessive stalkery behaviour over any of these supposed romantic leads any day. Like, at least Edward never did any (intimate) stuff against Bella‘s will and cared about keeping her humanity intact. You know the bar is low if Twilight IS indeed the better love story 😂 (Not saying that Twilight is great, it has some glaring red flags itself … ) (Yes I commented the same thing under Caleb‘s video bc I still stand by what I’ve said 😂)

@Sarah-ss6fr

Жыл бұрын

Not a big fan of CoHo but do you have a example where the guy forces himself on the girl in her books? (except Ryle obv)

@claryy8

Жыл бұрын

@@Sarah-ss6frNovember 9. I think CoHo has since edited this scene, but from what I remember there’s a scene in which Ben and Fallon are kissing and when things get more heated, she’s like „not now“ and he‘s like „yeah, I can’t find the will to stop right now … „ It’s been like 6 years since I read this book, so I don’t remember it that well, but Caleb covers that whole scene in his video!

@Sarah-ss6fr

Жыл бұрын

@@claryy8oh okay, I read November 9 ages ago too so I don't remember this scene, thanks for the reminder now I know what to say when people ask me abt this book😅

@hyathumibis5187

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Twilight can still be a super enjoyable read if you see it in campy classic type of way.

@hyathumibis5187

Жыл бұрын

@@Sarah-ss6fr I coulf be totally wrong about this but I think there was some kind of controversy surrounding it, so Colleen Hoover cut it out.

What’s scary is these books were not recommended to me by girls in high school but Actual Adult Women, the book tok demographic is 21-27… And I’m really starting to see the effects and literacy judgement that came from reading wattpad throughout high school. I thought I was doing myself a disservice reading gossip girl but honestly the other half was rotting much worse.

These character names are giving me flash backs to what I used to name my MC’s when I wrote stories in 6th grade.

I'm convinced most people on BookTok like reading bad books. I had to block pretty much all ACOTAR tags or I was going to lose my mind.

The problem I think for me is not essencially that she writes abusive relationships but the way they are labeled as romanctic relationships. If I read them I would definetly see the abusive behaviour but someone younger could see it as romantic and that is the problem.

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

yes agreed! i don’t think there’s any problem with writing about abusive relationships when they’re depicted as what they are. but if you label them as romance and market them to young readers as romance, that’s incredibly harmful

@ainalove3492

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!! Also I feel like there is this conception that if a relationship is healthy and there is no drama then it is boring, and I feel that could also be a harmful message. (we absolutely should encourage healthy relationships!)

I couldn’t take Ugly Love seriously as a love story because it was obvious Tate was his second choice after he came to terms with the fact that Rachel had moved on and would never take him back, but it’s clear as day he’ll never get over her and would drop Tate in a heartbeat if she wanted to try again.

@yutaloml989

Жыл бұрын

Imagine being the child they had at the end lol their life is truly destroyed 💀

im sorry but im actually dying of laughter thinking about a publisher, editor, copy-editor etc etc all with multiple degrees, reading stepsibling amateur erotica with "they laugh at their sons big balls" *immediate fatality* in it and having to not rip their eyeballs from their sockets while signing off cause they know it'll sell

@justjoe1669

11 ай бұрын

I was laughing way too hard at this 😂😂☠️

Man that poor kid. Gets his balls laughed at and IMMEDIATELY dies. Tragic

and remember: originally in november 9, *the dude actually r@ped the main girl!* and they were still endgame! it's absolutely disgusting! (coho changed this later after getting backlash - the fact that ppl needed to tell her SA isn't romantic kind of says it all)....

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

i’m sorry……wHAT?!??

@marianamauricio

Жыл бұрын

@@AClockworkReader whitty novels has a thread about it from back in the day! look up november 9 on her twt to find the thread! there's a scene that's pretty much just SA, and coho later apologized for it on facebook but obviously deleted the apology lol

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

@@marianamauricio omg i think i kind of remember this?? i didn’t realize it was this book…..i mean i’m glad they removed it, but also i’m completely unsurprised

@marianamauricio

Жыл бұрын

@@AClockworkReader yeah… coho not taking SA and abuse seriously, what else is new…

Every single one of Colleen Hoover’s books that I’ve read has given me the absolute ick. I work at a bookshop and the amount of very young girls buying her books that in parts clearly romanticise abusive relationships concerns me. I don’t want to deny that those young girls have the ability to differentiate between the books and real life and what relationships should and shouldn’t look like, but I surely wouldn’t have been able to do that when I was young. I think some of the false advertisement on TikTok doesn’t help either, calling Ryle the perfect book boyfriend and stuff, like have you even read the book??? I’ve made a promise with myself to never read a book from her again and I’ll stick to that 😂

@Dani_77709

Жыл бұрын

I work at a bookstore too and I wanna burn that section of books so badly. I'm happy there were three teens one day who openly trashed her books and two of them bought Steven King books which made me respect them. Thank you for saying the words I can't random teens. I hate recommending those books and I pray that the young girls buying them will not romanticise that hot garbage. Or hopefully they will grow to have a better taste in books.

@claryy8

Жыл бұрын

There are people calling RYLE the perfect book boyfriend??

@cjanney3592

Жыл бұрын

Wow. This is concerning. I had no idea teen girls were reading these. I wouldn’t have been able to understand at that age either. And people are calling Ryle the best boyfriend? Oh my…

@timus4993

Жыл бұрын

@@claryy8 therapy therapy therapy like immediate THERAPY

@timus4993

Жыл бұрын

@@cjanney3592 romance is dead, their is literally no standard for men, i genuinely thinks CoHo hates women she must be one of Andrew Tate's fan

I 100% agree with what you said about Ryle being painted as a sympathetic character. I had to stop and shake myself at one point because I caught myself feeling bad for him when he is actually an abusive monster.

@jasmine5825

Жыл бұрын

I think that's what she was trying to do though. She wants to put you in the shoes of an abuse victim so you can understand what it's really like being in an abusive relationship because it's easy from the outside, you can see how wrong things are but when you're actually the one in the relationship it's much more complicated.

@rach7096

Жыл бұрын

@@jasmine5825 oh yeah i agree with you for a lot of the book - i'm thinking of the end of the book where she decides to leave him and i would've liked it if the portrayal of ryle reflected how she had acknowledged the harm he did to her. but instead i felt the most sympathetic about him after she left him. which is a weird approach to portraying abusive relationships.

I would argue that I have actually read way better fanfic on wattpad than anything colleen has ever written

"Lily Bloom Blossom is the botanical equivalent of Cho Chang" KILLED ME 🤣

I'm usually not this horrible, but I hate coho with a passion i didn't know i could ever show. And listening to people tear her books apart is like the most liberating and vindictive activity ever.

@trishaiswatching

Жыл бұрын

grateful that someone else also share the same emotions as me✨️

@klee5981

Жыл бұрын

SAME😭 I literally majored in English/literature and seeing people treat her books as these great literary achievements…it physically pains me.

I know this has nothing to do with the books or the topics at hand but I just wanted to say that hearing you call the court system and having to testify against an abuser as another form of violence made me tear up. I was sexually assaulted seven years ago and chose not to go down any sort of legal route because I was terrified of how the police and the courts were going to treat me. I did not want to be re-traumatized by them. No one understood it and some even accused me of letting something bad happen to the next woman and said if it happened to anyone else it would be my fault but I couldn't face the violence. Thank you for putting it into words. I felt seen for the first time.

I once saw someone say that the readers who are reading Colleen Hoover books are people who never went through a Wattpad phase, so they are using this as the equivalent of that now that they're in their early 20's.

First Caleb makes a video about CoHo’s books and now Hannah does as well, we‘re truly being blessed Edit: not to forget Alizee‘s and MelReads‘ videos!

@marianamauricio

Жыл бұрын

YES omg truly everything we could ever ask for!!!!

@whosminou

Жыл бұрын

exactlyyy

@simpleton3781

Жыл бұрын

Yes yes yeeessa

@arminarlert6011

Жыл бұрын

This genuinely makes me so happy. Can't wait to see Colleen Hoover getting cancelled too.

@timus4993

Жыл бұрын

So true cancel her like Andrew Tate,both of them hate women

When you were listing off all the plot points present in these books (pregnancy, abusive relationship, insta love) and you hadn’t even gotten to it ends w us and reminders of him 😭😭 had me on the floor

when i’m surrounded by colleen hoover enjoyers💀🕊️ someone help me convince them that colleen doesn’t actually think that majority of these relationships arent toxic

Having a physically strong man, who gets burst of rage, assist during the final stages of pregnancy, when the mother is especially vulnerable, and have him be alone with the mother in the apartment, is extremely dangerous. (Edit: Also, because of what had happened between him and Lily, they are more likely to get into situations that make him angry.) I have literally zero clue why Hoover decided to write that in, other than maybe she loved the fuckfaced Ryle so much she wanted to give him a redemption arc (which in itself is not a terrible idea, just execute it better, please). While the book intends to send a strong message, this plotline fully diminished anything it had to say and even sends a dangerous message to victims and everyone else. Stop praising that book. It's awkwardly written, too, btw.

i’m SO glad so many colleen hoover reviews are coming out where the weird abuse kink colleen seems to have is mentioned. pushing her books as romance feels dangerous especially with so many young and even underage readers picking up her books due to booktok’s unfounded rave reviews. but i do wish these videos had come out back when i first got on booktok and was tricked into buying 4 of her books thinking that if they’re in this many peoples’ absolute favorites, they have to be good. i’ve only read 2/4 of them, but boy, do i wish i could get my money back. colleen hoover is the reason i do a ton of sleuthing into whether a booktok fave is actually good or not. 😭

@natashaistoast

Жыл бұрын

i also wish i’d known about caleb when i first got onto booktok. he really tried to warn us all

I would rather only read My Immortal for the rest of my life than pick up a Colleen Hoover book 😂💀 can't wait to get into this video!!

@AClockworkReader

Жыл бұрын

my immortal is a timeless classic

@lostavenue4819

Жыл бұрын

at least my immortal wasn’t written by a prep 🙄🖕

STOP IT OML “his birthday is the 4th of july which i personally see as a red flag” 😭😭CACKLING

(It ends with us) I am near 30, and I have been through abusive relationship, I am very glad CoHo wrote this book because it makes me felt seen. When I was experiencing abuse, everyone just 'side-eye' me and be like "erm.. just leave?". But I don't think people understand how hard it really was, and CoHo made it clear in the book why it was hard, she gave words to a feeling that I couldn't express for a long time. But then again, I am an adult, not a teenager. I never liked Ryle from their very first convo, read flags everywhere. But, I can see how teenagers might take it the wrong way and completely misinterpret the whole meaning of the book, and glorify abuse relationship. So yes, by marketing the book as romance, CoHo's wrong for that, she should've known better honestly.

@catalinamoll6798

11 ай бұрын

I do think, my biggest issue with this book is that Ryle is written the exact same way all her other male characters are written, and in their respective books we are supposed to love and root for them, but then in It ends with us we are supposed to hate Ryle and like Atlas -even when Atlas has the same red flags that Ryle has, just less noticeable-, for example, in the first edition of November 9, Ben sexually assaults Fallon but they still end up together and Ben is forgiven for everything he did, but in It ends with us Ryle tries to r*pe Lily and we are supposed to be disgusted by it, and let me clarify, we should be disgusted, but by both books because it's not right, and this sends mixed signals to her readers that are mostly teenagers. Besides, in IEWS you can tell Ryle is a horrible person and Lily should stay away (Lily is supposed to be 23, and I, as a 21 y/o, know Ryle was a red flag before he even became really abusive), and Atlas is not really that better, he still displays a few toxic characteristics and that is dangerous; also, she never shows Lily going to therapy even tho that is essential for the recovery after suffering DV, or meeting other survivors and healing, I feel like the Atlas addition was made to turn this book into a romance -and also to make him look like a white knight saving Lily from the abusive husband- instead of this book being about how to overcome the abuse and heal.

@dianahi2663

11 ай бұрын

​@@catalinamoll6798The irony of writing a book about abuse while making every male lead an abusive prick, it feels double moral and a clear example of how the author can manipulate a context and position to made look an scene well and healthy when in reality is not.

@justjoe1669

11 ай бұрын

I felt the same way! If you read it as an adult and realise this is not a romance book, but a book about abusive relationship, it is a good book in my opinion. But i also get the point that the main audience maybe is too young to understand and see the red flags

people who love CH work missed out on the prime 2014 Wattpad phase; that’s why so many of us are like yeah nah CH is nothing to rave about

@EthanTrees

Жыл бұрын

oh my god 😭 your tumblr default pfp jumpscared me so bad, i thought i had clipped right through onto my dash

I started working at a bookshop this month and I have to say that I was appalled to see that it was predominantly 14 or 15 year old girls who bought Colleen Hoover books. I've also had a few mothers who bought their daughters these books because they like to read it together, which I also found really weird. Like how can these mothers not see that these are damaging relationships to consume with your child?

Apparently Colleen Hoover had to edit her book Novermber 9 after publishing it because in one of the meetups Ben had sexually assaulted Fallon. Like who supports romanticizing relationships like that..what is wrong with people??

She'd make a good psychological thriller author. Like just rebrand her books from romance to that

@onIythepinks

11 ай бұрын

As a psychological thriller/horror fan, respectfully no. Her writing is horrible and very predictable

@cathy4697

11 ай бұрын

@@onIythepinks I didn't really comment on the quality just on the genre.

@onIythepinks

10 ай бұрын

@@cathy4697 you did. You said she'd make a "good" psychological thriller author

@fatimazafar8907

10 ай бұрын

@@onIythepinks they were joking dawg chill lol

@onIythepinks

10 ай бұрын

@@fatimazafar8907 I can't let any coho compliment slide yk