I love the mum clip in the advert. 😄

@TomFM

Жыл бұрын

Making her TomFM channel debut, it's a proud moment

@TSBdocumentary

Жыл бұрын

I can definitely see the TomFM’s mum cookery channel debuting shortly

@vakama4923

Жыл бұрын

League 2 or National League tbf, I'm cuious myself being Aussie

I noticed that Wrexham casually made it into the Championship at the end. Good job Rob and Ryan lol

@Darrenski

7 ай бұрын

Wrexham are nowhere close to the championship. They're in league 2, a lot lower than the championship

@kdnlol

7 ай бұрын

@@Darrenski?

@sheenakr7616

4 ай бұрын

@@Darrenski he said they reached championship in this video

I'd love to see Australian clubs in English divisions to see how far they can get maybe with a big budget or reputation

@TomFM

Жыл бұрын

A lot of likes on your comment already! I might have to give it a try...

@ZekPlaysHD

Жыл бұрын

​@@TomFM would definitely get behind this!

@bababababababa6124

Жыл бұрын

They won’t get past league 1 if we’re being honest

@therainmakerinsider

Жыл бұрын

All the Aussie team belong in League 2.

@tunatimeyt2012

Жыл бұрын

i put just the wellington phoenix in league 2 in FM20 and they got relegated 2nd season lmaoooo

The MLS sides going into administration was interesting…could that be because of the insane cost of their away travel every other week?!

@Pantalaimon91

Жыл бұрын

Didn't think about that, probably not impossible that was the problem. The travel likely was sustainable in the Championship for teams in bigger cities, but League 1 does not generate nearly enough to be making 14 hour flights every other week on a private jet for any of them. Going down for one season didn't seem to be a huge problem it seemed but the longer a team stayed the bigger the problem became.

@RustleInThaBush

Жыл бұрын

That is the issue for sure, I did a save one year were I put a cayman island team in the English system, the travel expenses destroyed the club in like 2 seasons 😂

They might be losing a lot of money because of travel expenses (ie the cost of flying the team back and forth US and UK). This happened to me in a similar experiment

@rthanejehxbejws

Жыл бұрын

It absolutely is what’s happening

@sjchxhtriskit3025

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention I’d have to wonder how the work permits are working out where they play in England but live in the USA

@BobbyBoucher228

Жыл бұрын

In the PC version of football manager are travel expenses part of the game’s expenses?

@sjchxhtriskit3025

Жыл бұрын

@@BobbyBoucher228 yes

More than anything it would be interesting to put the entire MLS in the European rankings and see how it goes ahead with their rules etc.

@crigiu2118

Жыл бұрын

Awesome idea

I'd like to see a part two of this! 20 years into the future! I really liked how this was presented also, made it really clear and easy to follow.

To be honest if you go back 10 years I’d be surprised if most of these clubs could stay in League 2 so they have done some good work as a league!

@TomFM

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I think the whole league has come on leaps and bounds in the last decade!

@nicolasrioslopez664

Жыл бұрын

People forget the MLS is still a relatively young league! The growth we’ve seen has been good!

@carltonharvey

Жыл бұрын

truth, I started paying closer attention to MLS back in 2012 when I saw some of the crowds they were pulling in Portland & Seattle. Then I noticed around 2015 that the top teams in the playoffs were actually playing pretty decent football But since then things have skyrocketed compared to what the league used to be. they're spending more on upcoming talent and ppl don't realize that (outside of Europe's top 5 leagues) MLS actually had the most players represented at the World Cup in Qatar

@lazyidiotofthemonth

Жыл бұрын

The Power of a Closed League is that the bottom 3or 4 teams don't face relegation, and get to keep their players, and are not at risk of becoming insolvent. The reality is that closed league are much healthier leagues.

@aaron8977

Жыл бұрын

@@carltonharvey St. Louis SC is gonna start something! The place has been going crazy for their team. Even better is their first season and the start 4-0-0

This was great. Why don’t you try, putting the Premier teams in the MLS and to see how they do with all of the rules and regulations

@Adrian-wd4rn

Жыл бұрын

City would probably win the league every year until the players in the current squad retire. Back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back champions. Then they'll take their youth players from england and be back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back champions.

@khalilli6613

Жыл бұрын

​@@Adrian-wd4rn they would have to release almost the entire squad. They can only pay 3 players 4 if it's a player under 23. Everyone else wouldn't be able to be registered. English teams would do well for a while off the back of the core of great players and good youth but the regulations would catch up with them over time as the big players leave back to europe

@xplicitmike

Жыл бұрын

​@@Adrian-wd4rn hard to do with mls salary caps

Wonder if travel costs had any impact on the MLS clubs finances?

@augustonembungu6721

Жыл бұрын

Nah MLS teams are used to high travel costs cause USA is a huge country

@tomfrumtarn

Жыл бұрын

@@augustonembungu6721 That may be so but the travel costs will be much higher going to the UK every other week

@onose10000

Жыл бұрын

my first thought too, because when you create clubs in the editor, there are options for what region you want that club to be, to the exact position on the map(co-ordinates), and since scouts cost more money the further you send them, and teams spend more money the further/more remote the location of a friendly/pre-season tour. I think it would definitely have an effect on their finances by a huge margin. Haven't done any test, but i'd love to be proven wrong.

@Pantalaimon91

Жыл бұрын

@@augustonembungu6721 Flying to the other side of the US seven or eight times a year is a big difference to flying to England 16+ depending on the year. Whether it is exactly what caused administration for Austin and Nashville or if it was spending to try to get out of the Championship, like we see with teams like Reading and Derby, is very debatable.

This feels... about right. I think the best USA clubs would be borderline ELP clubs (especially with no cap). The worst are probably high end League 1 clubs.

Before watching imma guess that most will be low-mid level Championship clubs

Really cool idea! Would love to see it for the other MLS teams too. Especially the top 6 in the east getting their chance!

Great job as always Tom! As an American, I love seeing MLS content in your videos! One experiment I'd love to see you attempt is what would happen if you gave MLS the same revenues as the NFL (Roughly $18 Billion league wide this past season) and then simulate 50-100 years in the future. Of course you would need to edit the spending rules in place for MLS, so that the clubs could utilize their cash windfalls. Where would the league and club reputations rank worldwide? Would the best players in the world (as sorted by current ability) decide to go to MLS instead of the Premier League or La Liga? Could an MLS team win the FIFA Club World Cup? And would this change in league revenue have any impact on the rankings and success of the US and Canadian National teams?

As an American that's about what I expected (not Austin though holy sh*t!). A lot of the teams are roughly Championship quality with the best teams each year being about as good as lower half PL clubs. My initial guess that Atlanta would be the best of the bunch was reasonable as well. My Chicago also did about as well as I expected...

@Darrenski

7 ай бұрын

No the championship is hugely more competitive. You just can't compare a league with no promotion or relegation. Mls clubs would get torn apart in the championship. I'd put them at league 1 level at the most

Brilliant KZreadr with so many ideas playing my favourite game. Just subbed!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Nice video and a very interesting experiment. The one thing I think would've been interesting to see is whether the annual travel expenses had an impact on the profit of the MLS Clubs

Would love a 20 yr, 30 yr, 50 years in future.

To be fair, Austin FC got knocked out of the Concacaf Champions League by a Haitian team that couldn't bring most of its players into the country and hasn't played a competitive match for nearly a year.

Hi Tom, subscribed and love the channel. I would love to see a “Golden Oldies” experiment were you put the oldest active players with the best current ability over the age of 35 into one team. For example: GK: Neuer DEF: Marcelo, Pepe, Sergio Ramos, Dani Alves MID: Modric, David Silva, Fernandinho FWD: Ronaldo, Zlatan, Messi You could make up the bench with the next best rated golden oldies. To make it interesting maybe you could make a team with all the best wonder kids in the game and add them to the same league to see who would come out on top.

F.M. should have a feature where every team has g.p.s. co-ordinates where they're based, & player fatigue for the away team is increased proportional to the physical distance between the two clubs. This replicates the disadvantage the teams from French Polynesia have when they play in the French Cup because their players have to fly halfway round the world to play in France.

Awesome idea of a video, loved it

Loved this🔥

Does FM account for travel time between games? Honestly curious of the home/away splits for international travel

@lop8315

Жыл бұрын

This is what I was thinking the mls clubs we’re probably paying a fortune on travel costs

@anonymous71207

Жыл бұрын

back in FM20, I did a save with one of the russian clubs on the far east (SKA Khabarovsk) and it definitely does.

@thegreathadoken6808

Жыл бұрын

It certainly account for a block of around 4 hours of time for travel. I'm not sure if more blocks get chewed up if travelling longer, but the games does know about distance, it even mentions how many miles fans had to travel in some of the more far-flung european fixtures in the media. And it CERTAINLY takes travel costs into account.

As a Nashville SC fan, that makes sense that we bounce around the 2nd and 3rd tiers of England. We are a decent squad, but our current manager holds us back I think. Seeing that we had 12 points deducted and we didn't get relegated is a shock to me. Can't wait until the USA's financial disparity between the leagues can settle out and we can have a successful pro/rel system.

@golfer435

Жыл бұрын

Pro/rel will not work in the US sports culture

Great vid as per usual tom

In my current save I took dc united from 21st to 2nd in a single season after taking over from from a sacked manager. Then moved to Austin FC who finished rock bottom that season and in the following season with some minor changes won the the USA trebble

Could you make a video on how to move foreign teams into other leagues? I want to do something similar like this but i have no idea how to do it

Can you please do a part 2 of this case this was your best video so far

Honestly the fact that any MLS clubs could hang made me feel better. No matter how fake the entire thing is 😂

Not finished the video yet but would love to see how the teams you took out did in the mls

I'd love to see Gibraltian or san marino clubs in English divisions as a experiment to see how far they can get maybe with more money income in england compared to gibralter or san marino leagues it may improve the national teams too if still based in their home nations some players of their nation appeared in improving over time youth intakes :)

01:18 and soccer is so popular in the US, that England alone still has more soccer fans than all of the US. If Soccer reaches NFL popularity (atleast 30% of people saying its their fav sport) America will be the centre of soccer and european teams will become like south america now. Used to be the best and their teams are still considered the biggest in history but can't compete anymore

Use the editor to make a new Catalan division and see how the new country does in regards to league coefficient etc

@unking

Жыл бұрын

good idea

Norwich is a wonderful city and Los Angeles is a scorched sprawling hellscape of car parks, highways and juice bars

I mean, the story here is obviously the hilarity of LA Galaxy in the play-offs! Amazing.

You should have picked the sounders. Even though they didn’t play well during the season. They were still one of the best

Id like to see more mls teams included in a possible part 2. Teams like philly orlando city and other teams should get a shout as they both won a trophy last year in MLS.

love the content

@TomFM

Жыл бұрын

Thanks man, you love to see it!

I've been doing this for years in FIFA. Most teams stay in League 1, a few teams jump into the Championship and stay, some jump in and out of L2, and only a handful manage to get into the Premier League but none stay for more than two seasons. I start by putting most of them in L2 with the rest in L1.

I have a save where I'm in my 3rd season with NYCFC. I've won every Cup so far. I JUST lost my first Cup, which was the Club World Championship, but was able to beat Man City in Group stage. Basically, the first thing I did was acquire as many international slots as I could, and the vast majority of my starters are internationals. I'm trying to get out of the MLS though, as it has not been a challenge since doing this. LOL

I'd be interested to know more about the home/away records of the teams in this

Interested to know if jet lag would have effected the games both home and away form during the games and the following fixtures

I’m not surprised Atlanta or LAFC are able to make it to the Premiere League. Austin likely fell off because they’re the newest team in the MLS so they likely could recuperate their lost expenses from travel

Pretty cool!

Now I want to see a database with all English speaking nations in one pyramid, include all of the UK, MLS, League of Ireland, Canadian Premier League, A-League and heck why not we'll give Gibraltar and New Zealand a chance as well. Obviously this would take a lot of work but I think it's worth it.

Tom, how did you get around the issue of MLS teams not having any homegrown players from England? I’ve tried a save like this and I kept running into roadblocks like that

@yoshter

Жыл бұрын

I'd also like to know

Seeing my Reading going from Championship to League One several times. FM23 doing us dirty

great vid

You could do a series of bringing other leagues to the English tiers? (Maybe even do the top 5 leagues together)

Be interesting to see this done with the South African PSL clubs but they'd definitely have to start much lower down

Ooh do a follow up i want to see if Birmingham win the MLS

I suspect the travel is what does in the mid-market MLS teams. Not enough home revenue to offset the cost. So if they don't get back to Championship, down they go,

Interesting experiment! Personally as an American soccer fan, I would love to see USSF implement promotion and relegation with MLS and the USL Championship.

What editor does he use to make these?

AUFC would finally be able to re-sign Almiron, just in time for his 39th birthday.

One thing I’d love to see more people do (especially Americans) is support MLS. Yes it’s not the quality of the prem, the rules are strange, and they call it soccer but the best way to make a league and the sport in the country grow is to support it. Don’t go into the game thinking you’re going to see El Clasico but you should be supporting your local club if you’re American and if you’re not it can just be a fun other league to watch

8:20, that is why the Championship is the greatest league in the world. Yearly bloodbaths.

How do you add a Spain team in prem?

Can this be done with Liga MX clubs??

I have wanted to do sims like this for awhile i was wondering how u do them. If anyone can tell me?

Should've added the Columbus Crew to premier league, they're the original MLS team as in Charter member number 1

LA Galaxy was clearly managed by Lollujo with that play-off record

It's because many of the MLS franchises select players who are are stagnated in potential. LAFC and Atlanta United do not. They select players with potential, and that's why Bayern Munich is dealing with them.

Am I missing something? NYCFC won MLS cup in 2021 and were 1 win away from going to MLS Final in 2022. Yet aren’t even shown here.

I guess what they say it true about the Philadelphia Union, it is the most hated club in the MLS because no one wants to talk about them, forget the last few season that they did extremely well.

5:14 was that manquillo that played for liverpool and newcastle?

I think Seattle Sounders would be a huge contender (for upper middle table)

Brother do something with the black dot above your bed I keep cleaning it from my screen 😂

I would actually like to see if a 1 Billion TV deal with no salary cap but keeping the foreign player rules in the A-League would improve Australian football and potentially make Australia a team that makes it to the knockout round in the World Cup as the A-League finally becomes a league that can produce great players because I'm trying to do a Build a Nation Australia with FM21 and to start I'm actually wanting to improve the A-League but usually they rely on International players too often while my international players are either young Asian players or a random Tajikistan defender who I signed without fully scouting because my scouts keep trying to scout Croatian players and French players and yet I just want to see Asian players. I want to see the Japanese players in the Japanese league or the South Korean players so I can improve the team and make Asia better at football overall.

Im so glad that the bottom half of the western conference wasnt there... my hometown earthquakes would not last a second in england lmao

How do we get the save file?

So the whole thing is that the algorithm is putting those clubs into debt, assuming they wouldnt be able to make enough to fund this level and there is simply no proof of that.

Im 6 minutes in and the Galaxy have to be the unluckiest team in this whole video. 3rd place 4 seasons in a row is brutal.

Me watching my beloved Hull and Toronto.

If this actually happened for some reason LAFC would have a massive home field advantage because of the time difference I bet

Oh hello there MomFM!😃

Should do this with Scottish teams & see if the clubs are really ‘league 2 standard’ as loads of English fans say

now you have to do top 4 of each of the top 5 leagues in 1

There are two MLS clubs that should have been included. Orlando City.... winners of the US Open Cup (similiar to the FA Cup) and Seattle Sounders.... winners of the CONCACAF Champions League.... the only reason that the Sounders did not finish higher was that they got hit by injuries to some of their star players. . Can you put the teams from last years CONCACAF Champions League into the UEFA Champions League and see what happens?

Awww couldn't get my sounders into the league :'( My guess (before watching the vid) is that teams get stomped in the first season before they start getting cash to play with and maybe a reputation bump. MLS budgetary and roster restriction rules really screw us over here. Probably why I haven't done an MLS save in FM since '18.

Would like to see the same done with Scottish Premier league

as a Charlotte FC fan, I'm just happy I got to see my club be in the premier league a few times and even avoided relegation for a season!

As an austin fc fan, this hurt 😔😔😔

Can you do a part 2 and see if anyone got tycoon takeover and show who’s been the coaches

You know this title sent some sad bloke into a (probably) drunken rage

Didn’t expect to see Tom lifting in this vid

@TomFM

Жыл бұрын

This is a gains only zone

the things with the MLS is that every year the teams practically reset squads and every team has a legit shot to win the mls cup or at least the US open.

Will it affect the money because travel cost of away games? Maybe that’s why they are so much in debt . Cos it’s in another country

i would have loved to see attendance numbers

How did youth worked in this video? Maybe they didn't have youth intake/draft so they were losing on that season after season which caused downfall?

I wonder how clubs in the USL championship would do if you put them in EFL league two?

You need to get some other teams in, like the Sounders and Philadelphia Union. Top tier teams in the MLS that could represent the league better in this

Would love to see how the English teams got on in the MLS in the same save

@slinemfc

Жыл бұрын

That was what I was thinking.

You should make this video yearly

As an American that has followed MLS since it's inception in 1996 it's very frustrating knowing how much better MLS could be if they relaxed the rules. The teams are all owned by *very* rich people so a $20M cap wouldn't cause any problems.

What do you mean by "promoted"?

How is it this done

Would like to see this with the Mexican LigaMX!

Do their locations have any effect on their finances? Like, a club with championship level cash, constantly flying over the atlantic must cost a lot of money.

@Pantalaimon91

Жыл бұрын

I think that's what happened to Austin in particular. The city itself is big but not a metro area at a comparable scale to the other cities by any means, same with Nashville. It probably shouldn't be surprising that they are the two that struggled the most with finances.