I had a lore-friendly unpainted space marine force once. they were the extremely grey knights.

I was at a tournament, and a player accidentally knocked an eldar harlequin off the table next to me. Not realising I went to walk away to get a drink only to step on the model, obliterating it. Although it was not my fault it was knocked off the table I felt guilt for stepping on it, so gave him some cash for a replacement. No amount of glue would have fixed it. It's just the right thing to do

Listening about jenson is like watching part 2 of a film, only to really enjoy it, then find it ends at a climax, and having to wait a year for pt3

@filteredjc4653

18 күн бұрын

It's The Empire Strikes Back of hobby nightmares 😂

@skunkdoctor

17 күн бұрын

Back in the day of VHS and Blockbuster I rented Pulp Fiction and someone forgot to be kind rewind, so I watched the ending first. It was a weird trip yo.

@lenoobpwner

17 күн бұрын

we really need to have the part 3!!!! I was sooooo looking forward to hearing the fall of jensen.

@matthewtucker1578

17 күн бұрын

@@lenoobpwner I've only ever dealt with one player as toxic as jenson, blatantly cheating and refusing to accept when they lose then being belligerent. Fortunately he wisened up before a ban came into effect, and is now a more enjoyable player to face across the table

@lenoobpwner

17 күн бұрын

@@matthewtucker1578 yeah, but man jensen is one true number! We need the final part!!! SOOO BAD!!!

That is just what retail management is like. The corporate types are genuinely evil and the main reason that working for most companies is a pain.

We've had a recent Jansen in my local gaming scene. He pulled the same hijinks except his army was knights but like the marines, half assembled and he bounced back and forth playing either imperial or chaos depending what was more powerful. Might make a hobby nightmare out of that.

Yes, it's time to become a Warhammer 40K hobby snob! [ *Record scratch, monocle drop* ] 'I say ol' boy, am I to believe that that is a lego glued to a coaster representing your artillery? HARRUMPH!'

The neckbeard gambit "I have mental issues therefore I'm allowed to be the worst kind of twat" Its the IRL variant of 'it's what my character would do' and I hate it.

@creolekolbytv1252

9 күн бұрын

We reserve the right to refuse to play with someone else if I’m picking up your too inept to play fairly and make it an enjoyable experience I’ll tell em kick fuqqin rocks

@concathedrifter2278

3 күн бұрын

Agreed but the dismissal of mental illness is pretty disgusting. It's not something simple to deal with. Great you've never had to deal with it, great your friends got past it. But fuck you twice for saying it's simple to deal with Obviously not >you< the comment in replying to just a good comment to reply too

Maybe a little elitist. I got into the hobby in the late nineties and I've never fielded a fully (or even mostly) painted army. It's just never been a priority for me. My old gaming group never required it so I never got around to it. If that guy had run into a random pickup game with a fun guy that played a fair and enjoyable game we'd never have heard from him. None of these Hobby Nightmare stories ever go "I played a fantastic game against an interesting dude BUT his army was unpainted."

Not an eletist army should be built 100%, proxies clearly identified and similar. I’m not worried about paint job or based because they could be working on that as they go, but the army should be 100% built in proxies clearly identified and similar to what represents. Please make a Jensen play list!

Model assembly even for the smaller armies takes a significant time investment, so its fair for someone to expect their opponent to meet that standard by at the very least have fresh models fully assembled. There would be circumstances for exceptions sure, but if I ever played with unpainted models I'd make sure they'd at least had a basecoat before I used them again. As someone whose relatively new to the hobby I have newfound respect for people who've fully painted their models after applying just the trim to 30 World Eater Berserkers by hand.

I'm not particularly annoyed either way if your army is painted or not because personally i hate the act of painting even though i like the result, but at least have what you're fielding be fully assembled

I dont understand, i wouldn't care if they are unpainted, only that they play normally and not stupidly

Was having a conversation with my dad, he’s got a Space Wolves army I’ve got my moms Blood Angels I’ve had since I was about 7 He recently was telling me how they’re(himself and the guys at the game shop) not really into 40k anymore because of their lack in attention toward the customer base or not pushing out anything new correctly. He holds onto his army but his buddy just sold all of his GW stuff for really cheap. I told them that I like the Spacemarine, I like what they are, the lore, the book. If GW Isn’t acting right or whatever the case I’d still have my army and keep them nice and presentable. I’ve gotten into 3D printing have been doing that for almost 8 years now and so I occasionally get a hold of 40k models that I can make up if I want. I do buy their stuff every once in a while but it’s usually just something along the lines of I bought it officially once now I can make as many as I want saving some moneys. Ultimately I am a huge fan, but I don’t think if they’re to sour then I’ll probably ever sell off or trash my 40k stuff. It’s just something I’ve known for a long time and really enjoy painting up or building terrain for them.

Jenson sounds like the sort of guy who enjoys the hobby but either thinks it’s funny or just doesn’t want to put the effort in to have an actual army. And will always get pissy when called out

Any time I hear stories of good gw managers essentially harassed to the point they could cause someone to have a panic attack feels criminal. But it's done in a way that's not actionable for a law suit which is shitty.

Gw shops sound like theyre run as dictatorlike as gamestop.

First time here. I always hear people in videos asking for likes because I clearly understand the dynamic of how impactful that is to the channel - especially those growing and finding their footing - and that simply it takes zero effort from the user whatsoever. I don’t know how yo describe but listening to you and your cheeky accent I felt compelled. COMPELLED to not only hit the like button but subscribe as well. Great content. Great banter. Great video.

Not elitism , more maintaining and enforcing basic hobby standards imo

@NapoleonicWargaming

15 күн бұрын

Make Gatekeeping great again

I haven't played in like 10+ years BUT I am almost certain from the description of the characters involved, I know who this is.

As someone who has practically no hobby time due to family commitments. I would still expect myself to have all mu models painted and base coated, and if it's an army with a paint scheme at least the main colour (shaded and drybrushed) done. It's the least that should be done not break the Immersion too much.

@KYDEX97

3 күн бұрын

I mean, I'd be allright with someone using only a sprayed base layer on the whole model, some nuln oil and a really quick and messy dry brushing, just roughly paint the weapons with any metal color and done. You can spend a saturday afternoon for a whole detachment with that...

Personally for me as long as the minis are fully built and primed I don’t mind

I wouldn't hobby nearly as much if I didn't have this channel. It's good time to process my internal monologue and the stories show me that I'm headed down the right path in my local scene. Man, are these nightmares crazy sometimes!

One of my hobby pet peeves is people who require that their opponent have a fully painted army and all they have themselves is poorly built and poorly painted models. I'd rather play against properly built and unpainted models than some of the poorly painted and poorly built models I see on the tabletop. Although I'd never refuse to play against someone just because their army isn't built or painted to a standard I like. I just wish more hobbyists would take the extra time to remove mould lines, remove sprue nubs and fill the gaps/seams on their models.

i can tolerate unpainted minis but they have to be built at least >. .

I think every gaming shop in every city or country does have a dropsite massacre situation at one point

man, i'm getting flashbacks to my local store 🤣on the subject of proxies - the worst i've ever done is stenciled on the base "this is a bolt gun"/"this is missle launcher" while waiting on a bits shipment (also how i keep track of who gets what while building)

I owe you a nice testimony North. Your channel matters to God, because he's using it for his good. I went from life to death...nit saying you Did that. But you did add something. Don't know if it was even easy or fun what in receiving. Dont what you might prefer to call it, or even if I always enjoy having it, but without it other parts wouldnt fit in right to complete this shattered mechanism we operate. I need to take the time to thank you properly in a format that is most easily consumable for your taste. And I love your style, its immediately warm. I can almost imagine being with you one day in a musty LGS tournament table, maybe it's got a pub next door to have a pint and you tell me the parts about your life that are even more endearing: Youve left out a whole bunch fans enjoy that would likely make good life story episodes. There, that's my blessing to you: choose a fee hard or fun years describing your scenic career path through life. Your favorite stories or little know events in History to teach your students, most interesting students passing thru, weirdest fellow professors or odd stuff that most didnt realize in your view about being a teacher. There you are, you'll have content backup for slow letter week...my blessing to you, North. With my faith, I'll hold that one day when I'm further down my path to full potential we will cross paths. You'll hear back from future me, as I'm passing those milestones, then i.ll have a story worth the wait for your channels pile. Cheers

I think the Jensen decision is a correct one ☝️

when it comes to staff horror stories, it is becoming my increasingly clear that there are a lot of higher ups and trainers that treat it like a big boys club and are bullies and awful to people. Like they are the worst people to be in middle management

Jensen sounds like SCP with that level of open source fan fiction.

I have adhd (diagnosed by a doctor at a young age) and i went to proffessionals to work on the way i socialize and things

Unfinished in terms of building minis is unacceptable. Unpainted is a bit more understandable especially if it’s just one or two minis you want to play with but haven’t gotten the paint for yet. That being said you should paint ur minis if you want to play with them with everyone even if they are painted badly.

@calibancommand

7 күн бұрын

I’d make an exception if I was told in advance lol. Sometimes I wanna try out weapons before flying stuff down. But I also make sure to keep a post it attached to a base with the squad loadout

35:30 I think a reason that allows Gw to not need to use the stores as advertisements anymore, is that Warhammer now uses video games, Henry Cavill, internet memes for the advertising

When I wanted to be able to swap out the load out for the first army I ever built (Grey Knights), you know what I did? I magnetized the arms. I set it up so that I could pull the arms off and swap them out for arms holding different weapons using really small neodymium magnets. Nowadays, I just buy two sets and build both because it’s easier-except for stuff like imperial knights since it’s relatively easy to add large, strong magnets to key joints. I also started in 7th, about a month before 8th launched. Haven’t been active since the plague that shall not be named happened, but I still buy and build the models for fun.

“Two-foot flamers” 9th Edition Sisters had an Order Minoris trait bestowing +6” to flamer weapons range. 18” flamers was hilarious but that is the farthest I have ever seen.

This is one of the best and funniest episodes yet with great advice

This story about GW managers is why I just dont like the whole GW brand any more. I shopped at GW for years, since they first started out in the 80s when I used to play D&D and WHFRP. Not played a GW game or bought a GW product other than the odd pot of paint for years now. I am more of a painter and model maker than a gamer and the advent of 3d printing has been phenomenal for me. OPR has even got me back into playing the occasional tabletop game, but something went very wrong with the GW brand many many years ago. My local gaming store only stocks GW products and the owner had to jump through so many hoops just to get GW artwork for the shop window. The shop is always packed on days when they have tables up for gaming or painting and in a couple of years he has built up a great gaming community in our small town. Its mainly slightly weird middle aged (old) men, but its good to see some young kids coming along with their slightly weird middle aged Dads :-) There are even a few women who come to paint and play. Long live proxy models, independent sculptors and gaming/hobbying for fun rather than pure profit, how GW dont want shops running their own games is madness. Regarding Jensen and the unbuilt unpainted army, why would anyone want to do this? Surely over half the joy of this hobby is showing off those sweet models you have spent countless hours painting. Far better to turn up and have everyone say how cool your models look and losing than to win with grey. Well that turned into a bit of a rant, sorry, but I do dislike GW and I dont like hobby police who say you cant play a friendly game as your model isn't exactly what GW specify it should be. Official tournaments, I get it but at local gaming nights, get over it, GW can survive with 3d printed space orcs, a lot of the models are better these days anyway :)

I can forgive the odd unpainted half modelled mini if it's a new mini they are trying out before they settle on weapon choice and wargear and details but if its a game at a game store I would expect at least the basic standard of 3 colours, at home with mates? Meh... I've used a beanie hat as a chaos defiler before now, nothing hurts more than when a Christmas tree fairy proxying a titan squashes half your army away with a swish splat from a candy cane ✌️😂

Awesome video, I love your contents!

liked! Hope all goes well north!

I mean some of my models aren’t painted but I do try to at least prime my models

My friend used to play with chsm custom dice that has chaos star with as many arms what number that was.... There was literally no chance on telling what he's rolling from the other side of the table outside of ones

At least a completely assembled army

It’s still just blows my mind how store managers and the Warhammer stores in England get treated. It’s just nuts. The home of the game can’t do the game in the store, nuts. Maybe it’s time that we Americans come over and whoop it on in Nottingham to bring you freedom!

What's crazy to me is that I never had the perception of GW. I got into 40k back in 2009/2010. Eventually my brother put it down so I had no one to play with like a year later. Fast forward to June 2024 me and my wife both want to get into 40k, but I threw away the armies I had. I looked into buying back in and through research I'm hearing all this scummy stuff about GW and it's blowing my mind cuz it's so different from what I remember. Makes me sad

4:55 you are that guy

Make a video called, "The nightmare: Jensen."

Holy shit. Dork overload

I can tell you, North, that you're not being elitist at all. It's one thing if your army isn't finished with painting or most just have a basecoat. Just as long as everything is glued together and I can tell what it is. Personally, I've been collecting 40k for a year or two, but I don't want to play until I know everything is painted, detailed, shaded, and flocked. Everyone has their own painting preferences and speed of completion. However I draw the line if half of the army isn't even assembled

I need Jensen Part 3! 😂

Last story, I would take the new job. It sounds like a once in a life time opportunity you mite be full of “what ifs” in the future

Im just getting into the hobby and always afraid to run into a Jenson... what i dont like is hes a Salamander player and doesnt have his space marines painted?? Thats heresy

Seem vashdor is not going to be the next CG after all, it Jensen🤣

Going to be honest, I've accidentally broken my opponent’s models before. I always apologize and offer to fix it, or offer glue. I also always have a bottle of glue in my case, because I break my own all the time, too.

@lenoobpwner

17 күн бұрын

dude just the fact that jensen didnt apologize its just ludicrous for me. I would feel SOOOO bad. I know the price of our hobby, so I NEVER ever touch my opponents units and even refrain from asking to see their models.

Wait until you have a legion of yugioh legion in your basement store... And ac is broken....

5:28 yes

LEROY JENSON !!!

I do not even want to play OPR Age of Fantasy quests without painted models for the enemies. Thats not elitism, its just part of our hobby to have cool battlefields, those are not possible littering the table with little grey plastic/resin pieces.

Whats the problem with nurgle dice?

I think primed and about to be painted models is fine, but bare plastic and unbuipt models, no I won't play with that either.

The only thing even vaguely approaching elitism that you may have is if someone has an army built, but the state of painting is lacking. Someone not even having an army built but still playing with it is a bit much though.

I have ALL the genesteeler dice. Too bad I dont have someone to use them on

I shouldn’t be watching these before I even play my first game 😂 I’m getting too paranoid These people are the minority, right? That’s why it’s so entertaining. They’re few and far between?

Im disappointed in KZreadrs....i guess tho if all videos got 20000% more likes it would all even out, but lets as hobby bros like a video here and there, in This channel we cam get that like percentage higher than ....10% of the view count. This channel aved my life for a while, still does in a way

Those nurgle dice were sooo cool, but soooo unreadable.

The last story just tells me that giving up this hobby was the right thing to do. I don't want anything to do with such a company.

Jensen is a petty cheater who never has learned to loose, he basicly is a child, and as noone keeps playing with him, he needs to find people in the store, as this is the only place he can find players who do not know him

Would it be bad if i did my first game with a 28mm scale imperator titan?

Banjo and Ech? A JonTron fan I assume lol.

Teir list - Dave begging jert- Jetson top teir think his can ok to semi cheat-

for me classic tournament rules still rule: 3 colors on the mini or the match doesn't even start If you want to play with unpainted minis, chess and monopoly are over there ...

Is he sure he was playing salamanders 😂😂

I don’t feel your being elitist. I’ve spent pure hours pouring as much love as I can into my models. To have a table of unfinished eBay bits as an opposing force, would turn me off playing that game.

@bq1013

18 күн бұрын

Just picture they're chaos, warped and twisted by tzeentch

#notallDaves

Games Workshop just seems like a genuinely awful company to work for, not worth the stress for the pittance they pay, I mean nowadays they just seem to be a shit company all round but that's neither here nor there. I'd quit effective immediately, no notice, no need if you have another job waiting and they do not deserve notice.

I personally don't mind unpainted models, but unfinished models is a bit strange and a bit of a red flag.

I don't find it elitist to expect someone participating in a hobby... to participate in said hobby Plunking down a 1/4 finished, barely assembled "army" is not participating

If the problem is the army is not built and missing turrets like this then no it’s not elitist. But if the issue is the army not being painted I’d say definitely elitist.

I feel like it's only elitist if you're JUST dogging on people with unpainted models just because painting is such a time and money sink. There could always be a legit reason why someone hasn't painted their models yet. Maybe it's a monetary roadblock on getting painting supplies but still want to play, maybe they just didn't want to drop money on paints before knowing if the wargaming side of it is something they actually enjoy, or any sort of actually decent reason besides just being lazy, which is usually easy to tell. We occasionally get people at our local hobby store who assemble Kill Teams on the spot and want to try them out before committing to getting all the stuff for them, but we have fun with it and do something similar to what one guy in a story on here did and pretend like our armies are running training simulations with the bare plastic models or come up with some scenario where they're weird Warp manifestations. It's a fun way to get around the immersion breaking aspect of the opponent's army being unpainted. However, when it comes to the army being half assembled and missing whole parts, there is nothing elitist at all about not wanting to waste your time on someone who can't even assemble their army correctly or who obviously can't be bothered to fix the ones that are clearly messed up. Like, your Chaplain's head falls off in the box and you can't find it, okay, no problem, but showing up with literal tank turrets missing and half of your army looking like zombies with missing arms and legs is just unacceptable - especially if your opponent has clearly taken the time to assemble, paint, and maintain a good-looking army.

you point about wanting to play a finished army isn't elitist because you aren't against just for the optics, you have a reason. it would ruin your immersion and you spend a lot of time, money and effort for that immersion. that said, do hate it when people wont play you because the colours aren't right or the quality not high enough. That is elitist.

I don't think it is elitist. Plastic is a no-go, at least spray em in one colour and put some details. Black primer with Leadbelcher on the metallics is not much to ask. I've played WIP armies before, where about half of the models were ~80% done and the other half was primed black with some first layers of base paint. We had just gotten into Combat Patrol 10th and the guy couldn't finish in time. All good. But don't come into a 2000pt game being 10years in the hobby and face me with half assemblee grey messes man... That's just no fun

Like the stories but yeah abit of elitism, can’t bar people for the state of their models but if that’s how you feel fine. Just someone that wouldn’t want to play with.

I don't think it's elitist to expect your opponents to bring fully-finished armies to the table. Painting up your boys is a massive, MASSIVE part of the hobby. To the extent that GWS has an entire child company devoted to painting supplies. Literally if you dunk your space marines into a bottle of macragge blue and put little red dots on their heads for the eyes and then draw a shitty toilet seat on the shoulders, you have done enough work to bring it to the table in my opinion. But unpainted and missing parts, why are you even into the game?

Not being elitist buddy. The game features static models and terrain. Using the events in the game to depict what is going on is only part of the grand picture. Having the models, terrain and board all painted to a fine quality literally becomes the main physical assets in which to ground a full depiction of what's actually happening. Imagine playing a half finished video game where your attacked by partialy rendered character models against untextured geomatry. No paint No immersion...

Biggest hobby nightmare i have ever had was when the GW started a censorship campaign against anyone who disagrees whit erosion of the canon of Warhammer to the point of GW being ok whit showing CP in a positive light in Lords of the Lance and members of the hobby being ok whit it themselves

I don't think I will ever understand how playing again grey models diminishes the time you spent on your model. Wouldn't it instead in comparison make your models seem better?

@trajanthegreat2928

18 күн бұрын

At least for me, it breaks the immersion of the game. When I’m playing a game, I’m imagining it as happening within the universe. Having grey models takes me out of that.

@northernexile

18 күн бұрын

@@trajanthegreat2928 This basically. I put my effort in, where's yours? Plus its my choice what army I play against and what I don't right? Some people are into the hobby for different things.

@ralphiemay8933

16 күн бұрын

Lol we found the lazy fellow who doesn't paint his models fellas. Honestly though, the issue is that it really breaks the immersion seeing a bunch of flat gray plastic facing down your army on the table.

@GypsyDaenger

5 күн бұрын

It's called showing respect for the person across the table from you.

Great video but the weird dismissal of mental illness was a big turn off. ItS eAsY

You are being elitist. The dice thing definitely. The exception would be if over time you see no improvement in his army.

Lmao what a small awesome hobby world that's great love the continuity 😅 I also would love to have a league as involved as theirs what a dream

I had a bad experience my first tournament my team came in 1st i went 2-1 but have not played since that was a year ago and ruined the game fir me 🥲