Your gunna get a letter from his professor 😂

@momedsayed1172

2 ай бұрын

I smell some rice is cooking there

I am so glad nobody will accuse me of cheating. Ever.

@QDWhite

2 ай бұрын

Samesies

@D1rtyD3bra

2 ай бұрын

Hey you never know. I’m only 1400 and somebody accused me of playing with an engine

@QDWhite

2 ай бұрын

@@D1rtyD3bra I think us 700s are safe.

@gavasiarobinssson5108

2 ай бұрын

@@QDWhite and us 400s

@nstovl

2 ай бұрын

I'm dogshit and I've still been accused of cheating lol

Cheaters always ruin chess

@plokenv

2 ай бұрын

But they're bad without cheats 💀

@kangjohan78

2 ай бұрын

cheaters ruin everything.

@TatarDK

2 ай бұрын

Cheater ruins everything exactly, they shouldn't be allowed to be in society

@philomath857

2 ай бұрын

Cheater ruins every game

@Sans-the-truely-gamer

2 ай бұрын

But cheater can't ruin bullet 1-0

Come on, Nelson, he was just making rice!

@TJWard-ps5if

2 ай бұрын

If you know you know.

@prawnydagrate

2 ай бұрын

@@TJWard-ps5if I know so I know.

@abdelrahmanemad3182

2 ай бұрын

Lmao , i remembered that😂😂😂

@OfficerK773

2 ай бұрын

Oops, I just cooking a rice and accidently found a brilliant move

By the way this is their 2nd game. Nelson won the first game then they had this rematch, so most probably the opponent cheated to get back on nelson.

@Aerixes.

2 ай бұрын

or he was cheating on both games and nelson beat a cheater lol but it's unlikely because engines are too much

@ricletoespinosa4232

2 ай бұрын

@@Aerixes. I don't think he cheated the first game, he's a high rated player with thousands of games in his account. What I think happened is that he got salty after losing their first game and decided to cheat on their rematch.

@snowyandwispa3890

2 ай бұрын

@@ricletoespinosa4232yes seems most likely, he's not been banned though for some reason

I feel like we've reached a point where cheating allegations are meaningless because everyone is always accusing everyone of cheating (I myself have been accused of cheating by some sore losers multiple times), and everyone these days is so paranoid, it's almost impossible to tell when someone is actually cheating and when someone is just being paranoid or mad that they lost.

Yeah, I can confirm this is a cheater. Very hard to tell though, as they have 13,000 games and a legit graph. If you check their highest rated blitz win vs GM ChessWeebs (rated 2869) you can clearly tell the *exact* same tactic was used there.

@fadhil4008

2 ай бұрын

Hybrid cheater, they play normally and keep loosing. Then once he's got enough, he puts up the engine

@togishere

2 ай бұрын

Yeppp

Your opponent must have been studied up on the Rice Cooker refutation - unlucky game Nelson...

That guy has been banned

@davidsonbeaubrun6082

2 ай бұрын

How do you know?

@user-ej7sr3ow8b

2 ай бұрын

@@davidsonbeaubrun6082 just search his ID

@sanofy

2 ай бұрын

The link to the game is in the description. You can see that he was banned@@davidsonbeaubrun6082

Even eval bar is cheating

I’m new to chess and it’s very discouraging knowing cheaters are out there. I’m really trying to put the time and play how you show us. Plus I just got the book FCO so I can read it and study more. To think people just want to take short cuts instead of putting the time to learn just sucks. Thank you Nelson for the content!

@drewfenton866

2 ай бұрын

Don’t be discouraged even though it does suck. Cheaters gain nothing, but you will gain knowledge from playing them and it will make you a better player in the long run. FCO is a great book btw!

@carlamartinez7559

2 ай бұрын

@@drewfenton866 thank you! ☺️

@phoenix402

2 ай бұрын

even if you lose a game against a cheater, you're still the better person for keeping your integrity. that's worth a lot too. keep playing, you got this.

@carlamartinez7559

2 ай бұрын

@@phoenix402 thank you! ☺️

His name is actually a really funny meme in turkey from an old tv show

@stevekaczynski3793

2 ай бұрын

His avatar is a picture of comedy actor Kemal Sunal.

@user-er9fq8hv1g

2 ай бұрын

And it's a disgrace using kemal sunal's picture while cheating.

@mehmetali4626

2 ай бұрын

It is really sad that this cheater used the picture of a valuable person of Turkish cinema.

Some of the most beautiful games ever are cheaters against strong players. Unfortunately, the legitimate player suffers for it.

@chriscurtain1816

2 ай бұрын

You mean Stockfish against strong players.

@userac-xpg

2 ай бұрын

there is nothing beautiful about cheating.

@skycaptain95

2 ай бұрын

@@userac-xpg if your reading comprehension was any good, you'd see I was referring to the games. Not to the cheaters.

People who defend cheaters like this are mostly likely cheaters themselves

@momedsayed1172

2 ай бұрын

Rice cookers man They are everywhere

I have no idea how these cheaters think they won't be suspected.. like 98 vs 83 is Hikaru level? 😅

Poor Nelson, defeated by The Rice Cooker Gambit again

Cheaters in games are just one of the worst things to encounter. This is for any game, including video games

i was expect u to play alien gambit

I've noticed a weird kind of pattern when the moves slow down. Up until a point fast and then the time between moves changes irrationally.

There is another way to see he's cheating. Look at his game history where he is playing consecutive games against the same person. He ALWAYS loses the first game and then wins all the subsequent rematches. Banned now too

for an opponent who has nearly 2500 rating, he hasnt earned any titles such as NM, CM, FM, etc. but he was a cheater anyway!

@user-sm4mu1dp6p

2 ай бұрын

This person was a cheater for sure, but that point doesn't prove anything. To show their title, they would have to confirm their identity, and maybe they just don't want to do that.

@K.S_20087

17 күн бұрын

Why? They can practice in home without title

Why not just capture the bishop at 2:07? Rook and a bishop for a queen or why don't you just move the queen away? I am a novice in chess, so there very well could be lines that refute those moves completely, but I didn't see them, but I didn't analyze the position for very long. Are you getting mated by the rooks and queen if you take the bishop?

I like your live chess games ..

Memorizing the best moves in openings, though not ethically comparable, is functionally equivalent to getting your moves from stockfish. Freestyle has to be the future.

@user-ej7sr3ow8b

2 ай бұрын

The point is that you need to remember the lines if you're not cheating

@maximos905

2 ай бұрын

That's like saying studying for a test and memorizing the answers is equivalent to cheating

why do people cheat at chess? what do you gain from that?

thanks for the game, can you play nelson with only a queen and a bishop

@pakasokoste

2 ай бұрын

You should refrain from showing his username if he has not been banned for cheating yet. Otherwise you are just putting him on display. Very often KZreadrs do that and their audience starts attacking the person showcased on their videos.

I think the biggest giveaway was 98% accuracy. That is Stockfish’s accuracy.

It keeps saying there was an error classifying the move because your gambit is just so complicated like you said and there is a cheater on the board LOL

I guess with the AI movement taking off it will get even harder to stop cheaters

Yeah. Don't forget that while you're prepared on this opening, in a freak incident they might as well. Only fact that they take varying amounts of time later on muddies the water for me.

My interest in chess faded quite a bit after I was accused in cheating. Maybe this made me more content with the level I already reached? Anyway, I play rarely and only for fun now, no more fights for rating.

I got cheated against and eventually someone else reports the cheater and I get points back.

I got reported once because I won a game with 100% accuracy, playing the double Muzio. It is true that many people use engines but a lot more people are just sore losers.

i have challange idea:lucky blocks/make a wheel with good things and bad things for u do the same with martin too

For the record, Black does not even need to accept the sacrifice immediately, instead 9...h6 is a very practical and human way for Black to retain the advantage.

Cheating always ruins/recks games. I agree with you, Chess Vibes, that this person is a cheating.

I don't recommend cheating but why make it obvious? instead of going for the top move each time try like the 3rd move or the 6th or something.

@drewfenton866

2 ай бұрын

Nelson is a NM, he would destroy a cheater if they were playing the 6th engine move 🤣

Cheaters never prosper.

Can’t you see his previous games and check his accuracy?

These engines are getting so advanced, they show you how to make your opponent blunder a whole rook. Whats next

Your opponent played the “rice cooker gambit” again?

Haha the guy is already banned. I play a lot of daily games because of my work schedule and the cheating is ridiculous. There is no time usage to go off of so a lot of people get away with cheating in daily games and it sucks. I can’t remember the line, but it’s from one of Nelson’s courses and he said in the course “there is this move, but no human is going to play it unless they are a GM or a cheater” and a 1000 rated player found that move and it was a major red flag. I lost the game and he had 97% accuracy.

@chriscurtain1816

2 ай бұрын

If cheating is discovered retrospectively, it would be good if your loss could then be deleted from the record. Plus the cheater's win deleted and his IP address blocked from any further activity on the site. I have 'suffered' from almost exactly what you describe in your post. A daily game where my 1750 opponent showed an average accuracy of over 96% in all moves over his last 10 completed games.

@MysteryKoshka

2 ай бұрын

​@@chriscurtain1816 THey do exactly this. If a cheater is banned everyone who lost to them has their ratings adjusted. I get this message at least once per 200 games or so I play. Unfortunately you can't tell who it was unless you made note of the specific game and went back to check.

@ThortheMerciless

2 ай бұрын

It's in the list of live games, so all you have to do is scroll down a bit. This guy was unusual - most cheaters seem to get caught quite quickly (or possibly never get caught if they are smart enough?).

@mikemck4796

2 ай бұрын

@@MysteryKoshkaI think you can tell, but just not easily if you have a lot of games in. There’s a red dot that appears on the game line. I’m on mobile so the dot might be something different than a dot, but it’s a red circle of some sort.

Not related to the vid but I actually got accused of cheating once on my alternate account. The account have about 500 lower rating than my real account because I use it to practice openings, play dubious stuff or play in distracting environments. This guy however, trades all the pieces in the opening (which is where I lost almost half my game on) and goes into rook end game and get absolutely slaughtered. He then accuses me of cheating right when he’s about to get mated and stalled the clock out.

@momedsayed1172

2 ай бұрын

No wonder he accused you of cheating you 500 points above him For him it was like playing an engine or grand master

Only about 1675 on Linchess and recently won against a bot highest Maia 1634 with a 97% against her 89% - high accuracy is possible even if you are a poor player like myself, just not often.

@B3S23_Mathematic

2 ай бұрын

Его игра просто была нечеловечна

Why is 10...Qd7 the best move, what's wrong with 10...Qd6?

@mythbusters866

2 ай бұрын

Qd6 block Bishop f8 that is one reason. Qd6 Bf4 looks like also bad... Nc7+ But my idea is not working, damm...

@kwhd559

2 ай бұрын

@@mythbusters866 Yes, it is better to analyze first and then post - This entire gambit line is only suitable for blitz, it does not even grant White equality if Black is prepared or if you have to face the same player again in the future - That is why it is important not to waste too much time on lines that you will need to replace once you start meeting advanced players - Much more sensible to invest your time studying lines that you can have confidence in against any level opponent, and not rely on 'Fingers crossed hope chess' 😂

My opinion, chess is getting like CoD. Massive cheater problem exacerbated by sore losers who claim everyone is cheating. It’s easier to blame your loss on a cheater than on limited knowledge. I run across a cheater, I block them then study the hell out of that game. Why? I’ll get beat by a cheater again, but at least I have an idea of engine lines and some more preparation later. (Also, this is probably why I’m still stuck at 1200 elo lol.) thanks Nelson for posting this, cause now I have study material for this opening!

If this was like magnus level, then it is normal..but not here. I agree, cheating happened here

It is really sad that this cheater used the picture of a valuable person of Turkish cinema.

Is it cheating if he cracked open some notes? I mean yeah. But it doesn't necessarily have to be stockfish move by move. He may have notes and knows what's the best move in a very common position like you said.

What's even worse than playing a cheater is playing someone that accuses you of cheating when you are not

@giannisnikitakis4983

2 ай бұрын

There is nothing to worry about. It is just annoying

@jokojabo

2 ай бұрын

Lmao what the heck kind of complain is that..some sort of humble brag?? Cheaters ruin the integrity of the game, but you're more bothered by saltiness.

@mikemck4796

2 ай бұрын

The couple times I’ve been accused of cheating I laughed. It doesn’t even happen in my best games, and I’m not particularly good. If you’re letting it get to you, that’s a decision you’re making.

I'll never understand why someone would cheat in chess. Id rather lose by my own skill than win with a bot helping me. Then again i don't care about status. Maybe that's it?

We all hate cheaters! If someone does suggest you are just as sore loser, well then, I'd suggest they are not getting a sufficient amount of oxygen to the brain! There is no way your opponent didn't cheat.

He's using chess bot.

Keep up the good fight

I'm a fan but there are several issues with your analysis. (1) you just dismissed the several moves that didn't fit your cheater theory, by saying "yeah whatever". (2) You also said you'd tell us how you found out he was using Stockfish later - but you never did, unless it was the astonishing accuracy. (3) You keep referring to the time usage - I guess implying that he was too fast for a human thinker - but he was no faster that you. (4) The fact that most people you played in this position did A and he did not A doesn't prove anything. The accuracy alone, I suppose, is suspicious, but your other evidence is weak.

@bsmoov7

2 ай бұрын

No you missed the time usage point. It wasn’t that he was too fast. It is consistent time usage. The same time as if there is a computer output. When you input into an engine it runs the same amount of time when giving moves

@danielj.8876

2 ай бұрын

​@@bsmoov7But it wasn't. There were several moves where black spend more than just a few seconds in on, which Nelson just dismissed by saying "yeah, whatever". I think that's a bit disingenuous saying all the moves were at a consistent pace when there were several outliers.

@TheHero-2550

2 ай бұрын

​@@danielj.8876you make good points, but IF he did cheat, then those outlier moves could be explained by messing up inputs into the chess engine he allegedly used and needing to correct, or the engine had multiple moves suggested that he thought over before making the move he liked

@danielj.8876

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheHero-2550Yeah, if. But coming from that angle is essentially saying he's guilty until proven innocent. Someone acting suspicious isn't enough reason to reverse the burden of prove.

@TheHero-2550

2 ай бұрын

@@danielj.8876 true dat

Yeah he cheated there, finally you got real evidence.

Nelson should not have sac pieces in opening just for removing the opponent chance for castle king. In fact, many players can win without castle king. In my games, many opponents move the bishops to a or h file for preventing me to castle king. But I surprised them because I have never thought of castle king. So they wasted a move and being checkmated due to lose of tempo or have one fewer defender.

@asztapaszta9

2 ай бұрын

yes but you are a fantastic player not just a youtuber like Nelson /s

This has nothing to do with your video, but I was just playing Stockfish level 4 on LICHESS, and all I had was a king, and it had a king a bishop and a knight....AND IT RESIGNED????!!!! WTF????!!!!

You should be a bigger person and quietly take the loss. Yes, you're probably right. But if you're wrong you're punching down on a player you'd normally want to encourage.

I was in the middle of a 14 day game when I browsed the archive of my opponent. He was 'only' rated 1750 but had averaged an accuracy of over 96% in his last 10 completed games. I reported him. He then disappeared on a mysterious 3 month vacation, then returned to continue the game. I won easily after that.

I am sorry for my fellow Turkish countryman. His profile picture says it all actually 😢

It is so obvious to spot and silly to cheat on a high level game, doesn't worth it to ruin an old account and the hign rating reputition.

I like how even 2500 elo rated cheaters dont know how studip and weird they look when they cheat in chess and play the best move everytime

@user-sm4mu1dp6p

2 ай бұрын

Their rating would presumably not be 2500 if they were not willing to cheat though.

@Password_Is_Password

2 ай бұрын

@@user-sm4mu1dp6p i know their real performance must be like 800-900 but its still weird when you spend 10seconds on an obvious move

Very clearly a cheater, good on you for playing it out Nelson! Screw cheaters

This is so rude. You can''t accuse someone of cheating just because they were busy making noodles this time

@prawnydagrate

2 ай бұрын

/s

What if he just had a similar opening like a game or two before? And he analysed the line after? I mean I would report too but still. I have won games like this too

@pearljam_1

2 ай бұрын

Maybe the first few moves. The line doesn’t go on for 20 moves lol.

No matter how sure you are that the opponent cheated, I think you should obscure their username. You don’t want to encourage vigilantism. Nothing to gain by showing it (they’ll be banned anyway) and everything to lose.

Good of you to out cheaters, but you should really start covering their names.

0:30 you said that fxe6 is the best move after Bxe6... this is simply not true... it is a good move if you understand the queen trap that is coming. The best move for black is h6 kicking your knight and taking your Bishop reestablishing black's e pawn. now you have to spend resources trying to prove Black's e pawn to be a weakness but you will not be able to without losing more material. Therefore, you might feel more forced to attack the f7 pawn to prevent black from creating a defense of the center so powerful that you will need to sacrifice another minor piece to stop that e pawn

Interesting

❤🎉

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100% a cheater

From what I can tell, he could have cheated in one game. He did lose his last game before being banned. Seems a tiny bit unfair, merely due to beating an NM. A stern warning seems more appropriate, unless he has a history of cheating. I'd be interested to see a game where a cheater plays another cheater.

The guy is from Turkey, what do you expect.

@lewis8890

Ай бұрын

Grow up

I don't know, Nelson... I've watched this from Black's perspective... I've checked my databases about 4 of them. nothing about this game seemed out of the ordinary. Move 7 was the first critical point. On ChessBase, 300 players played 0-0... 60% of them lost the game and 20% got a draw..(the master's database is more damning to this move)... the average rating for a player who played that move was 1936. That move ranked 5th on chess engines, but every move from this point is in Black's favor. Objectively, it was not a good move because it screams move Bg6 which strengthens Black's defense and nullifies your next moves. Whenever you sac your bishop to set up the trap (which looks very obvious that you're trying to pin my queen), NOW Black can play h6 kicking your Knight and then fxe6 and then slide that bishop into f7 to nullify the d5 and the rook pin which means you traded your bishop for a pawn AND worse position. That leaves you with one of two choices... trade your bishop and knight for one more pawn and a bishop but it's not enough compensation because sure black can't castle but white can no longer attack because you're down material. you're no longer attacking to win but to draw. Every move from 9 to finsih was obivous imho for Black

@maximos905

2 ай бұрын

You're assuming the guy is able to legitimately get 98% accuracy during a blitz game with a complicated position. It took the guy over 10 seconds to take the bishop, anyone else would have used 1 second at the most

@chrisdavis2161

2 ай бұрын

@@maximos905 that was the only critical point in the game. I'm rated around 1700 in blitz, And if I were black and white sacrifices their knight right there, I would wonder wtf was going on and then notice that there is no pawn on e file and if I capture with my queen, whites rook is going to slide over and pin me, so I can't capture without realizing I need to move my King out of the way. It's a blunder check. As far as the 98percent... It's not hard to get considering this : 1. the two mistakes Nelson made in the opening, and the blunder pre move he made where he thought blacks bishop was going to check him first.. the game was so simplified at this point that there were only one good course of action 2. The guy is rated 2500. Am I surprised that he didn't fall for the opening trap? No, of course not. In the master's database everyone that played whites moves up to move 7-9 lost. From move 9, SF12 couldn't hold white's position after 9...fxe6, it lost in 98 moves to SF15.1. After plugging in the correct reply for black which was 9...h6, (the move he thought the guy cheated on aka "the engine move" that Nelson thought was beyond human understanding) SF12 lost even faster to SF15.1 in 78 moves. Why did I test it like this? The analysis on this move order by Nelson is antiquated. I'm pretty sure that the latest version of SF would beat white from move 9 in 50 moves or less. I will test this today on my computer.

@maximos905

2 ай бұрын

@chrisdavis2161 TLDR cope harder bro. You're getting really defensive for the accused cheater. He just happened to do the top engine move everytime after that using about 5 seconds each time, there's no doubt the guy was cheating. Plus he lost the first game against Nelson but the rematch he does that

@chrisdavis2161

2 ай бұрын

@@maximos905 you're the one that needs to cope, man. the spot where Nelson said he thought the guy cheated, he didnt play a "top engine move"... the top move was h6. any argument falls apart after that. you bringing another chess game into question as evidence that he cheated in THIS game is irrelevant. there was never any proof he cheated in this game. If the dude was rated 1500... I'm pressing the "he cheated" button so hard. but he's rated 2500. you're the one who needs to press the "cope harder" button. This argument that he cheated is weak from this video alone... "he cheated because he didn't fall for my trap" that sounds like a kid argument... "he used an engine" the move h6 immediately comes up on a mobile device for SF15 and later... Do you think he used an old SF engine that came out 2-3 years ago? or another program? That's harder to believe than to understand the opening Nelson played is a dubious gambit/sacrifice that leaves white with a minor piece down and worse position with decent NOT PERFECT...DECENT play by Black. If you think that this video alone proves that Black cheated, you need to grow up. Nelson should have included the previous game and then it might have worked out better. I'm a fan of Nelson, I've been subbed to him for a couple of years now, but when someone refutes your gambit, you have to go back to the drawing board and figure out what happened. It's irrelevant that the guy cheated because your preparation should have included "what if the person plays perfectly, can this position hold up?" Nelson didn't have an answer to the moves the guy played. White is supposed to WIN or DRAW with perfect play...SF can't hold the position for draw... a 3500 elo engine... what does that mean? It means that the opening is so bad that Black can win from move 9... WHY WOULD YOU PLAY IT against someone who's 2500??? goh man

@chrisdavis2161

2 ай бұрын

@@maximos905 I could just say "you're stupid for not reading and understanding basic arguments and chess" and move on though, but I chose to explain it, so whenever you stop thinking like a child you can learn something

Maybe he just had seen this opening somewhere and from this knows the theory.

@paulbrennan4163

2 ай бұрын

Remembering an opening is one thing, but the whole game? I don't think so...

@mikaeljiskovkristensen7861

2 ай бұрын

but still if he had seen this type og game before. I also sometimes play top engine moves because i had seen the move in youtube. I don't know if Nelson had posted content about this type of game before. or someone else had.

@userac-xpg

2 ай бұрын

then why the super long pause on one move?

@paulbrennan4163

2 ай бұрын

@@userac-xpg You tell me. There could be any number of reasons. Look, if you want to be argumentative about this then OK, I'll let you win. How's that?

A player who studies the best lines in a particular opening which they would never come up with on their own is also cheating...in advance.

I’d be salty too bro, He cheated.

always the turks

@tanelkagan

2 ай бұрын

Don't post racist comments please, there are cheaters from all countries.

@specialuset8022

2 ай бұрын

@@tanelkaganTurkish isn’t a race, and it’s clearly a joke.

@Chomta

2 ай бұрын

Waiting for least nationalist Turkish people to see this

@MysteryKoshka

2 ай бұрын

For me it seems to be Brazilians XD ... although I'm sure it's just noise in my data and there's no specific epidemic of cheating from Brazil, I still start squinting suspiciously when I play someone from there XD

@tanelkagan

2 ай бұрын

@@specialuset8022 It's not "clearly" anything, without context, and even if it were a joke, that would not excuse it. Besides, he didn't say "Turkish" he said "Turks", so even if I accepted your very narrow definition of "racism" (I don't) he is singling out a specific race/ethnic group. Still wrong.

I have a cheating software that I sometimes use to cheat in my games. With it, I can make moves in less than a second, enabling the possibility for someone to cheat and play very quickly. So keep that in mind.

You're proud of yourself when you win.😏 But you accuse your opponents of cheating when you lose.😎 But still, I kinda agree with you though.😂

haven't you accused someone before for cheating and then it turned out he didn't cheat?

@maximos905

2 ай бұрын

So far everyone that he accused of cheating really was cheating and were banned after the investigation

He was just too good for you, dont worry You will have your wins eventually

bro improve the quality definition of the board chess. the videos are great but it is blurry the board

honestly playing with exceptional accuarcy shows he is a cheater but I found your logic on time quite nonsense sorry

@gordonfreeman7187

2 ай бұрын

Cheaters move pieces at consistent speed as they check with stockfish for the best move and immediately move right after.

@user-sm4mu1dp6p

2 ай бұрын

It's one of the most reliable signs of a cheater that they take the same amount of time on very complicated moves that they do on very simple ones.

Your evidence is just speculation.

Stop and think about every “unnatural" move your opponent has made. It is not crazy to think that he can find it, or that he has studied the lines, or is familiar with these patterns There are many explanations. I'm a big fan of your channel, but I don't agree with you this time. I don't think you have enough to accuse him of cheating. The sample is not enough

@specialuset8022

2 ай бұрын

What are you on? 😂They clearly cheated. Just look at the time usage. They take about the same amount of time on very simple moves as they do on very complicated moves. Also, not playing most or all simple moves immediately is a clear sign of cheating. Proof on cheating can’t really get any more solid than that, unless you think Nelson is able to spy on them through their device’s camera 😅.

@s--cn8ee

2 ай бұрын

@@specialuset8022 The argument for the time usage very weak. I'm not a strong player but I'm familiar with this opening. I think I have a good chance of playing like his opponent, at least in the tricky part, according to Nelson

@specialuset8022

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@s--cn8eeIt’s not a weak argument. It takes about the same amount of time for the engine to calculate moves, and players usually move immediately after the engine calculation is complete, which is why time usage between moves is so consistent with cheaters. It’s always easy to say you would play the best moves after seeing the best moves because the best moves always look easy to find once you see them. Besides, the player was banned, so they were definitely a cheater.

@chrisdavis2161

2 ай бұрын

I'm with you on this... there wasn't enough there... I frequently investigate suspected cheaters for fun on /r chess using my gadgets and my really expensive computer. sometimes I find people making very "fishy" moves during games, but Nelson made a lot of moves that were just not good and his opponent sniffed out his preconcieved plan of victory within ten moves...the game was tactical but you have to realize that Nelson gambited 2 pawns in this opening, then saced his Bishop to try to set up a trap that was sniffed out. If you add mistakes and blunders in there (which there were plenty of), Nelson had no chance of winning this game against a player with that high of a rating

@chrisdavis2161

2 ай бұрын

@@specialuset8022 there is no clear evidence for cheating in this game... his opponent calculated a move that was 4 moves out and took time to do so. I do this everytime I see my opponent sac a piece against me..I'm like "wtf is this?" "is this some kind of trap?"... then I calculate until I find it... if I don't, I'm like "you dumb bleep" and then I take their piece and carry on... If I do catch it, I'm like "I'm not falling for that shh"

I find strange satisfaction on spotting and reporting cheaters. Some are so obvious. 5-10 seconds every move. Strange game history. Reported mapala98 5x... clearest cheater Ive encountered in a while. Waiting to see him banned.