What about shredding an old two-line-kite 🤔 ? That would be another level 🤩

@DrOppeppertje

Жыл бұрын

wipika airblast or naish ar5?

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Thanks man ! Do you have one of these ? I can't find them...

@Ploz5555

Жыл бұрын

@@DrOppeppertje Wipika Airblast and Naish AR5 were 4 lines kites 😉. Airblast: Terrific performances by then. But very fragile as well, quickly disappeared from beaches Wipika Freeair and Naish AR 3,5 were the 2 lines, convertible to 4 lines

@MrOttoHenry

Жыл бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs I have a Wipika NSK (New school kite) that I bought used back in 2001. You can borrow that one if you want 🙂

@guusjuh97

10 ай бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs I just got a hold of a new (never used) Naish AR 3.5 7m with the original bar and lines. If your ever in The Netherlands you're free to try it (I don't feel comfortable shipping it since it's basically a museum piece).

Now imagine somebody will do similar video in 17 years about some of the newest kites we’ve got today

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha - he might talk about the pros and cons of the new wifi-lines ;)

I remember going from a 2001 2-line Naish AR 3.5 to a 2002 four line Naish X2 I could not believe the improvements. It felt so good at the time. Every year the kites improved so much, it was incredible :)!

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

I only can imagine… This was long before my time in kitesurfing 🙈

@daversj

Жыл бұрын

I still have my 2002 Naish 4 line that had two harness loops. One for chickens and one for the brave. It flies ok with a modern bar but they are so horrible compared to modern kites. Relaunch in the water was such a pain. Swimming toward the kite so it would roll over… don’t miss that. Getting tea bagged when you got overpowered was an experience as well.

The new bar's make a big difference with older kites

How about a series about the differences in technologies over the last decade the old vs the new that will be amazing to watch

Wouldnt it just be lengthening the steering lines a bit? @2:21 the steeringlines seem to be shortened at the bar. Secondly, pulling the depower strap would also quickly avoid backstall. My experience is that some old C-kites are very nice for wakestyle, but sometimes lack the slack in the lines after the pop, compared to newer generation kites

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Hey, sadly not... I trimmed the bar how it should be. I assume the canopy must have streched and the front tube couldn't hold the shape anymore. Also some of the stichings were open...

makes you appreciate those early kiters that were shredding it and inventing new tricks on those kites

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

True that - I was shitting my pants of a single rotation ;)

I remember Hadlow kitelooping the old Felxifoil Strike 7m. That thing at the time turned super quick and was an amazing kite, but it would be scraping the water on the way around. He used to land with the loudest SLAP on the water. Wakeboard and bindings. Crazy.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

A true pioneer... Deserves much more respect for all that :)

Yeah!!! I was waiting for it!!! Vintage kitesurfing!!!

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Haha - back to the roots ;)

I started kiting 2000 and still have my 1st kite in the basement. It is a Cabrinha black tip 11,8 with a hand leash. To improve that beast I made some kite poles into the tip ends and even installed a servo steering with pulleys which helps a lot to lower the steering power of this truck. I also made new depower lines like Fone have had it later 🤣

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Sooo raw 😆🤘🤘🤘

@MrOttoHenry

Жыл бұрын

I did that with my Wipika NSK :-)

still have north rhino 2... 20 m2... flies like a caravan .... with a truck attached, but... it can also pull a boat, that´s nice

I started kiting in 2001, I still have and ride, very often, having a lot of fun, 2005 Slingshot Fuel in 7, 9 and 11 meters. The only problem that I have are the blatters losing the inlets The front lines of that kite are stretching on flight, that's why is stalling.

Hi Ben, it was a real pleasure to meet you at the fort of porto botte

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for hooking up :)

17 years ago I took my first kitelessons at Lake Silvaplana, also at the age of 14. I remember this kite, most riders had it in 18 m² sizes up there. My first kite was a RRD Type Wave in 15 m² then, it's still in my basement, I think I have to give it a try someday. 🤙

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha that's raw, I was not even kiting than :)

I’m still using a Core GT 13,5 from 2010 with a 2016 core sensor 2 bar and it works great! Still being a great kite!

Pull a trimer until it stops backstalling while fully sheeted in. You can trim any kite like this, also when you know how much trimer you shoul use to trim it you can add extenders on stearing lines.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tipps. I tried so, I think it was the canopy which was streched. Also some of the stiches in the fronttube where opened...

I rode this thing back in the day and for that time it was an awesome freestyle kite! Maybe if you fly it on your current 5line bar and do some freestyle on it, it will work a bit better. This thing originates from 05/06 and back then people where not boosting, but only doing freestyle (since that was the only discipline for competition riding PKRA).

I 've got 2006 North Torch :D it nearly killed me when i started kiting 10-11 years ago. I gave it another try last year and it was pretty wild too :D :D

I acquired an old 19 meter Cabrinha with BATTENS ! It's stained but otherwise in good shape from being in storage. Probably the most dangerous kite around. I've not set it up, no bar came with it. It's a museum piece.

every year kite manufacturer : "all new design and materials for 202X" yeah dude same ol piece of cloth

Haha! Nice one Ben! Reminds me of that time I tried a Naish AR5. That thing had a massive bar, 80cm or something like that. Just a single slim hole in the bar for the center lines so you couldn't pull or push the bar while even slightly steering. (Not that it would have changed anything) but the scariest thing was the "safety". Just a simple wristleash that was attached to one of the steering lines further away. And to release yourself, you had to unhook from the chickenloop, after that, the kite just lands in the deathloop like safety, gorgeous... 😂

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

So sick ! I'm still searching for one of these kites... Do you still have yours ?

@0xhexdec

Жыл бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs it's not mine, but my friend still has it, I think. I DM you via insta.

@michap.1180

Жыл бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs i have a Wipika free Air 11,3. Build up to 4 Lines. Original was it a 2 Line Kite.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

@@michap.1180 sick! would you sell it to me 😁

@michap.1180

Жыл бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs ja.. hab dir mal bei Facebook geschrieben.

yeah man! you need shorter depower (or longer steering lines). more wind. turning will be dog slow (compared to new gen kites!!

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback !

wow! What a nice video idea! 😍 how about removing the line extension and making another video? 🤩

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Cool idea ! Thank you :)

You should try setting it up with a newer bar, i want to see that :)

I found an old 2004 cabrina nitro in the trash a year ago. it inflated but when i tried to kitesurf with it the inflate delaminated.... Now i just need some spare time to repair it and see if i can get it flying again! cant wait.

I was a little sceptical of buying an old kite but after i saw the makeshift equipment the early kitesurfers were using i am ok with having an older kite

KITE MAN! HELL YEAH!!!

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Thanks bro :)

Im actually still rocking a 15m slingshot fuel from 2005, works very well actually. It is however a lot riskier and demanding to kite with.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Yeah !!!

Nice! Und jetzt noch mal bitte ein Board von Anfang 2000er testen ?! 😅

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Gute Idee!

I start whith a fone starter 7m :) 2000 I think 🤔 I still have a naish x4 20 m no depower, no upwind, vert tricky to ride ;)

@Ploz5555

Жыл бұрын

I had a good time with my Starter 7m as well. First jumps! I still have a 22,5 North Rhino 1, which I still fly from time to time

Wish I had some of them old flexi foil fusions and hadlow pros from back in the day. The kites I had from 2007 never lasted more than 3 years materials wise. Line and canopy stretch was shocking, kites were alot cheaper thou.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

This was exactely my feeling about the canopy. The bar was trimmed right... Super interessting I didn't know that...

@Ploz5555

Жыл бұрын

I flew my North Rhino 4, size 12 and 16m, from 2005 to 2015. Apart problems with valves after many years, I was still pleased with the flight characteristics…until I tried a kite with real depower. I never went back to them after that 😄

Your double rotations look like 80% of my normal jumps lol 😝

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

hahaha... make me feel better, thank you ;) :)

I have a 2019 slingshot RPM 12 meter and to me it looks like it flys like that one. It turns slow and i have a hard time getting it to pull me after i get up.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

But than something is wrong woth it. I rode older versions of the rpm and they were flying great… 🤔

That looks like the kite I first started on..

It’s not about the skills, it’s about the material 🫣🤣

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Exactely ! Freistiel GmbH & CoKG GmbH

I still have in my garage old Wipika 11m, this was bad ass, even when kite was lying on the ground ,sometimes could just start by his own, it was crazy !!! I will make movie also when flying on old Wipika 😂😜😜

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Sick ! I‘m searching one of these kites…

I had the first airush atv kite and a 16 mtr lift. Wrist leash lol

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

That's raw - haha

:-D But you as a pro rider, you made it - thumbs up. I had a grin all the time, nice.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Haha - somehow ;) Happy you liked it :)

@berndbraun80

Жыл бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs for that reason, I need to test a new race bike. I still ride my over 20 years old one. 🤪

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

@@berndbraun80 Haha - testing might be expensive ;)

Yeaaaaaa , nice video , allways is funny regress the beginning , maybe the best way to compare the Evolution of kites, I try remmeber It when I pay for a new one kite. I like the mix contents of your videos. See you Next monday 💪💪😃

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Haha - true that... On one side kites got more expensive but on the other side they last longer and fly better ;)

Geil, ich habe auch einen fast nicht geflogen Unit im Keller

Ich habe mir 2011 das Kiten selber beigebracht und mein erster Kite war ein 14er North Vegas von 2004 - ich frage mich oft noch wie ich das damals nur überlebt habe😂

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha 😂

The average kitesurfer was waaay better 17 years ago than today. Backstalling? Simple - we depowered before unhooking.

It looks amazing 🤩 By the way, any new wingfoil vlog coming ? looking forward to see it :)>>>>

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Yeeesss ! Of course soon again 😊🤘

ich hätte dir in der Region noch einen North C Kite von 2006 wenn du willst

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Mega - danke ! Kennst du zufällig oder hast du zufällig auch noch was älteres ? Ich würde sehr gerne einen 2-Leiner probieren...

The kite is even older than I am😂

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

hahaha - good for you ;)

where is this spot, looks so majestic!

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

True that ! It‘s lake Silvaplana

Hiho. Kannst du mir kurz sagen wie der Spot heißt? Welcher See ist das ? Coma?

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Das ist der Silvaplanasee

This is Como right? It's really strange for me looking at all those mountains on both sides and seeing that the wind is somewhat consistent and not crazy gusty :/

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Hey, it's lake Silvaplana but close by lake como. Yes that is indeed crazy. It's because the wind is thermical...

@mjanek20

Жыл бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs about the backstall and crazy slow steering ... my friend has a modern Rebel and f... something up with the line lengths at the bar. It behaved exactly the same way - no depower and slow in response. I think if you'd make the power lines shorter than the steering would go back to normal.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

@@mjanek20 puhhh… that‘s wierred…

Ab 20Knoten hole ich immer meinen Lieblingskite raus... Einen 8ter Switchblade von 2009

I had the exact same one....

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Classics 🤓🤘

I still have my very first kite. 2004 Naish Boxer 14m, zero depower.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Sick ! When did you kite it the last time ?

@VisionaryApproach

Жыл бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs Not sure, maybe 10 years ago or so. BTW: I also did that depower line extension thing, which resulted in crazy, almost unbearable bar powers on that model. After half an hour you could barely move your arms any more. But at least the gusts were less scary... 😁

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

@@VisionaryApproach aha - that's very interessting... Thank you for sharing...

I think it was out of tune for some reason. I fly Vegas 5 line mostly and it makes a huge difference when one line is stretched. The kite behaves much like what you experienced when this is the case. I'll bet that with proper bar tuning, a kite that holds air and some more time with it you could shred with the old dinosaur. :)

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

I think you are right... But I couldn't find the issue... I trimmed the bar but I still think the problem was in the kite. Maybe the canopy or the front tube couldn't hold the shape. Also the stitching opened at some places...

@Jimmy1971240z

Жыл бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs I recently had an issue with a new bar fifth line setup which drove me nuts. This was on a brand new kite and bar too. Checking line lengths against one pair of front lines at a time helped solve it. Also wondering if your fifth line has different attachment points. Talking to some pro riders I've found they like to deviate from the standard two attach points for wakestyle/freestyle.

Where is it?

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

That‘s lake silvaplana

Niceee! Und gude Mucke 😁👌

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Danke diggi !

Still going strong 😎😎👍👍

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Somehow ;) haha

Get a Wipika kite or a 1st gen RRD 😁

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Dude - that's next on my list :)

not an old kite, its got a one pump system;) I assume, the front lines were simply too long.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Haha - I think it was quite rare these days ;) I tried to trimm the bar, but I assume the canopy was to old also the front tube stiches were opening at some places... Truely a 17 year old kite ;)

AWESOMEEEE!!!

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Thank you !

where is lake ?

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

In the Swiss Alps (lake silvaplana)

Is Carved the same company that makes carbon boards nowdays? :)

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they startet with boards. Than they did kites and went back to boards only... Back in the days the kites were as good as their boards...

BRah, you wanna impress? Get a Wipika Airblast then show us.

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Haha - of course not. But I would still love to try out a 2 line kite... Still having issues to finde one...

Nice!! :D

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Thanks bro :)

Oh cool, reminds me of this video from a couple of years ago kzread.info/dash/bejne/ampnrcuTd5Dbpqg.html

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

That video is even cooler - I‘m searching for such an old kite 🤓

@huzcer

Жыл бұрын

yes - have seen that before - that's REAL old school. 2 lines. No leash.

Der muss mit nem tiefen V geflogen werden! Mit nem North SetUp fliegt der nicht so wie der soll....

@BenBeholzVlogs

Жыл бұрын

Das lineset war original… 🤔

@george-cyprianobuhler2536

Жыл бұрын

@@BenBeholzVlogs ich habe irgendwo noch ne alte Carved Bar.. ich suche die mal raus und mache mal n Foto…

@george-cyprianobuhler2536

Жыл бұрын

Eventuell hast du das Linenset vom Fireball gehabt. Das war quasi der Nachfolger vom Unit in etwas günstiger…Ich mag mich vielleicht auch täuschen aber ich habe die Leinen ganz anders in Erinnerung. Will auch auf gar keinen Fall klugscheißen😂✌🏻Aber eine Lanze für den Unit brechen, da es ein wirklich sehr geiler Kite war, der viele Tricks im Wakestyle erst geil umsetzbar gemacht hat(endlich großer Loop, selbst ausdrehend usw.)… Beste Grüße aus Cuxhaven

Bitte sprecht deutsch… Sorry aber is eben deine Sprache 😊

Why are you talking English and not German ???

I mean honestly you just didn't think about it, you didn't have any other options and these were pretty good compared to what we learned on, like *stacked Peter Lynn arcs* philipbchase.com/assets/documents/arc_setup_faq/The%20Peter%20Lynn%20ARC%20set-up%20FAQ_files/3stack.jpg with a wichard shackle as a QR. It always makes me laugh the folk who complain about the safety systems these days 😂