I Had to DEBUNK This...

Link to the video I'm responding to
• Why Japanese Soldiers ...
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• Using a Jingasa Helmet...
On this video we are watching and reacting to a video about whether or not the Japanese used shields in warfare. As always please be respectful towards the creator I'm responding to. The idea that Japanese warriors never used shields is of course wrong. It is however a quite nuanced discussion and without a deep understanding of how Japanese warfare works, it could be very easy to be wrong even if the overall idea of Japanese actually using shields is presented correctly. Think for example of the fact that it's imperative to make a distinction between a Japanese warrior, not necessarily samurai, and actual samurai. Samurai appear at a specific time in Japanese history, so anything that precedes this time frame is not to be considered Samurai or related to the Samurai.
I've already responded to very popular articles and guides that did not make this distinction and ended up mudding the waters.
For instance I once debunked the statement that Japanese warriors never used wooden armour., That's incorrect. Samurai never did as far as we know, but Japanese warriors absolutely did in the earliest periods of recorded Japanese history. As you see, what may seem a small difference is actually big.
So I decided to check this video out to make sure the information given is presented in a correct manner. Moreover, if they end up making comparisons with the West, which these channels often do, I'll have to make sure the information about Medieval Europe is correct, since that's one of the most misrepresented aspects of historical warfare in the media and as a result, on KZread too.
Thanks!
Credits for the two katana pictures used
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  • @metatronyt
    @metatronyt24 күн бұрын

    Check out my rings! I make them in bronze, silver and gold! www.vkngjewelry.com/products/the-noble-ones-ring Link to my Patreon page www.patreon.com/themetatron

  • @skidsmerk3526

    @skidsmerk3526

    24 күн бұрын

    ok

  • @ArcanaOnline

    @ArcanaOnline

    24 күн бұрын

    Link to manuscripts and miniatures? It's not in the description.

  • @kingbullyrock8739

    @kingbullyrock8739

    24 күн бұрын

    I see a Sega Dreamcast

  • @skibidi.G

    @skibidi.G

    24 күн бұрын

    Say it with me, brother: DEI/ESG is trying to become *THE PREDOMINANT LORE* in every story, medium and universe. Get rid of it 🔥😊.

  • @robbierobdergrutzkopfderwa2566

    @robbierobdergrutzkopfderwa2566

    24 күн бұрын

    There is no link to the gendarms.

  • @Redslayer86
    @Redslayer8624 күн бұрын

    I hate when my head is severe.

  • @bigiman6241

    @bigiman6241

    24 күн бұрын

    Me when my head is severe

  • @jeremybot1

    @jeremybot1

    24 күн бұрын

    absolutely not me when my head is severe

  • @arklaw8306

    @arklaw8306

    24 күн бұрын

    Do not the head severe

  • @nicolasgirard6691

    @nicolasgirard6691

    24 күн бұрын

    I dont mind it too much as long as its well perfumed before hand!

  • @jimbusmaximus4624

    @jimbusmaximus4624

    24 күн бұрын

    I remember my last time with severe head. I still haven't called her back.

  • @fearthehoneybadger
    @fearthehoneybadger24 күн бұрын

    The start looks like a samurai attacking the Karate Kid.

  • @Daniel_Lancelin

    @Daniel_Lancelin

    24 күн бұрын

    Or Luke Skywalker.

  • @kweassa6204

    @kweassa6204

    23 күн бұрын

    the irony being karate isn't even in Japan before the late 19th century

  • @Rare.99

    @Rare.99

    19 күн бұрын

    When you have a shield on your head, it's a helmet!!!

  • @chenoaholdstock3507
    @chenoaholdstock350724 күн бұрын

    I'm actually impressed at the research here. If you ask me, the fact that he's being pedantic is a GOOD sign. It means he's not having to correct major issues.

  • @john-paulsilke893

    @john-paulsilke893

    23 күн бұрын

    They’ve definitely gotten better, so much better.

  • @demoulius1529

    @demoulius1529

    23 күн бұрын

    There are some points he goes into abit more. But most of it is indeed pedantic. Still appreciate stuff like that because often the small things do matter.

  • @crwydryny

    @crwydryny

    23 күн бұрын

    ​@@john-paulsilke893i actually stopped watched infographics because of how bad their research was.

  • @jonburgart8649

    @jonburgart8649

    23 күн бұрын

    @@crwydryny same

  • @jonburgart8649

    @jonburgart8649

    23 күн бұрын

    @@crwydryny that and the insanely horrifically terrible animations

  • @Zephyr503
    @Zephyr50324 күн бұрын

    You can't use a spear with a shield? Er, hoplites?

  • @Dark_Plum

    @Dark_Plum

    24 күн бұрын

    More than that - most of cultures had spear and shield soldiers in their armies.

  • @haraldisdead

    @haraldisdead

    24 күн бұрын

    And.. every army ever lol

  • @Intranetusa

    @Intranetusa

    24 күн бұрын

    I know right? Even long two handed spears/pikes could be used with strapped shields like the shields used by Macedonian pikemen, some ancient & medieval Chinese cavalry and pikemen, and some Rennisance era pikemen.

  • @itorca

    @itorca

    24 күн бұрын

    Officers at West point reenacting the phalanx comes to mind

  • @DrDolan2000

    @DrDolan2000

    24 күн бұрын

    Did Dark Souls lie to me?

  • @chaosgyro
    @chaosgyro23 күн бұрын

    As someone who identifies as a 16th century Japanese soldier, I once leaned into a strike when dodging was an option. My opponent didn't have a kanabo so I thought it was totally safe, but man was my head severe afterwards.

  • @mikebadjester940
    @mikebadjester94023 күн бұрын

    If you look at the Battle of Hastings the Norman cavalry couldn't break the Saxon shield wall. Until they lured them into breaking the shield wall to attack an assumed broken enemy. So it was discipline in the case of the infantry but not always by causing them to run.

  • @UncaStumps

    @UncaStumps

    23 күн бұрын

    Well technically it did cause them to run Just in the attacking way, not the retreating way

  • @samfire3067

    @samfire3067

    22 күн бұрын

    " a overconfident enemy IS a danger to hinself"

  • @willpower8061
    @willpower806124 күн бұрын

    When I hear Samurai, I think of the armor.

  • @valandil7454

    @valandil7454

    23 күн бұрын

    I think of the hair, kimono and paired swords mainly because the most prominent images we've had of the Samurai class are from the Edo Period and those are the things that were by law specific to their class. It's a common mistake to call the older iterations of Japanese warrior "Samurai" they were called "Bushi" and the Edo Period romanticised image of them wasn't anything like the genuine article. I'm a pragmatist I can't stand the we are Samurai we're so honourable thing it makes me cringe. The earlier iterations would be the 1st ones to hit you in the back or go up your kimono to find a soft spot 😄

  • @user-ld9tf4td8s

    @user-ld9tf4td8s

    23 күн бұрын

    Which part?

  • @willpower8061

    @willpower8061

    23 күн бұрын

    @@user-ld9tf4td8s the whole outfit normally .

  • @sonofsparda657

    @sonofsparda657

    23 күн бұрын

    helmet and mask for me tbh, and a polearm more than the katana. when i hear katana i think more of a dude in a kimono with a samurai knot haircut, meaning i guess subconsciously ive always known its a backup weapon considering they might be samurai, but theyre not geared up, and not "in battle" more of duels.

  • @necromancer6405

    @necromancer6405

    22 күн бұрын

    I think of fat old men who live off the work of others.

  • @scandisamurai8899
    @scandisamurai889924 күн бұрын

    The first thing I think of when someone mentions Samurai armor (especially old-school O-Yoroi like mine) isn't the mask (mempo) or helmet (kabuto), but the *shoulder pauldrons* (o-sode), because they *ARE* your shield(s), which is why they're so huge and square 🙏🙇‍♂☸

  • @thegoogliarch

    @thegoogliarch

    24 күн бұрын

    The pauldrons are third to my mind, right after the katana and the helmet/mask (as I mentioned elsewhere, I kind of think of them together). I've always loved big pauldrons, and o-sode are the largest pauldrons I can think of historically...

  • @chrisdiokno5600

    @chrisdiokno5600

    24 күн бұрын

    @@thegoogliarch Yeah, though some do believe big pauldrons as goofy, like in say, moving your head

  • @tileux

    @tileux

    24 күн бұрын

    @@thegoogliarchfor what its worth, youre actually falling for one of the greatest myths about the samurai. The katana is not the sword mostly identified with the samurai. Katana just means sword - theres no real differentiation between sword classes in japanese history, as there is in europe. But o-dachi means ‘big blade’ - sometimes europeanised into ‘great sword’ - and the o-dachi was actually the sword that samurais carried for most of the history of the samurai. The katana - the shorter blade known as the katana - only became common at the end of the senguko period. About 300 years. But the o-dachi was a samurai weapon for about 500 years. And during the edo period the o-dachi was still the preferred sword of the important classes - because it was more expensive and prestigious and also the weapon handed down by richer families. During the edo period, the (shorter) katana was more common, but the o-dachi were still around. Prior to the edo period and most of the senguko period, the o-dachi was the preferred sword of the samurai (and all of these these blades were always secondary weapons). If you think of a samurai’s sword, you should be thinking of the o-dachi.

  • @josecoronadonieto6911

    @josecoronadonieto6911

    24 күн бұрын

    @@tileux actual preferred weapon is the bow on horseback and diplomacy, a lot of diplomacy and politics

  • @tileux

    @tileux

    24 күн бұрын

    @@josecoronadonieto6911 agree about the bow. But my point was that if a sword is associated with the samurai, its the o dachi, not the edo period katana.

  • @rogervandusen8361
    @rogervandusen836124 күн бұрын

    Japanese hand-held shields are from the Yayoi period through the Kofun until the Asuka period. Near the end of that long stretch those long standing shields (looking like a house door) were introduced and the hand-held types fell out of use; likely due to the dominance of massed archery.

  • @michaelwatson9089
    @michaelwatson908924 күн бұрын

    I can see why you would need archers because of the loading time for guns was crazy back then.

  • @Blisterdude123

    @Blisterdude123

    24 күн бұрын

    Bows were only really finally phased out of armies when full-scale industrial production of simple-to-use firearms became viable. It took a lifetime to train and discipline veteran archers, but you could stick a firearm in the hands of any peasant, mass them into huge blocks, and unleash devastating firepower with barely any training at all.

  • @raulpetrascu2696

    @raulpetrascu2696

    24 күн бұрын

    Also archers are cheaper in the unit tree duh

  • @onekill31

    @onekill31

    24 күн бұрын

    ​@@raulpetrascu2696yes you need to train archers before you can train musketeers.

  • @TruekingoftheLeinstermen

    @TruekingoftheLeinstermen

    23 күн бұрын

    ​@@onekill31nice profile picture

  • @valandil7454

    @valandil7454

    23 күн бұрын

    Try a European crossbow of around 1,200lb draw you need a windlass to pull it's not much faster, which is probably why 2 different cultures came up with the same tactic to use them on the battlefield 🤔 I love seeing how alike people are regardless of their differences 🙂

  • @ironiccookies2320
    @ironiccookies232023 күн бұрын

    The first thing I think about samurai is the helmet and armour because it's such a unique armour. Even their neighbours Korea and China wore different unique sets of armour. Then there's most of Europe with their armour. Honestly I wouldn't know what nation the knight belongs to if they didn't have their heraldry.

  • @dvinson1029
    @dvinson102921 күн бұрын

    Truth about using anything to strike an opponent. I was a correctional officer for many years and despite having a steel expandable baton on our hips and pepper spray there were numerous incidents where an officer happened to have their handheld radio in their hand or on a desk nearby and used it as a weapon because it was the quickest option in that particular instance.

  • @MillionYearProgram42

    @MillionYearProgram42

    13 күн бұрын

    Probably way more effective than that silly baton thing they issue you guys.

  • @DallingerM
    @DallingerM24 күн бұрын

    I love how you’re doing an Infographics debunking! I’ve been wanting you to do this for ages!

  • @sp1ashy345

    @sp1ashy345

    23 күн бұрын

    That Infographics channel is pretty trash

  • @Xephyranth

    @Xephyranth

    23 күн бұрын

    @@sp1ashy345 it's one of those "take it with a fistful of salt" info channels, there's good info there but as always be skeptical of everything they say

  • @nandanthony

    @nandanthony

    21 күн бұрын

    Yeah, i don't know where these fellas get their sources from, like DAMN that SCP vid was TERRIBLE

  • @KingEdwardMMVIII
    @KingEdwardMMVIII24 күн бұрын

    Here to continue lobbying for the Shogun episode breakdowns to continue!

  • @Tavicx

    @Tavicx

    23 күн бұрын

    Those would be very nice 👍

  • @himbrine6668

    @himbrine6668

    23 күн бұрын

    i'm joining you, brother

  • @KingEdwardMMVIII

    @KingEdwardMMVIII

    23 күн бұрын

    @@himbrine6668You will not regret it

  • @wildheart58

    @wildheart58

    21 күн бұрын

    Yes

  • @FilipMoncrief

    @FilipMoncrief

    20 күн бұрын

    absolutely

  • @mystictomato9466
    @mystictomato946624 күн бұрын

    I really appreciate the fact that you are posting videos so frequently now, they really improve my days a lot. Thank you for everything Metatron ❤

  • @LordMarchewka
    @LordMarchewka24 күн бұрын

    Used to bear a (tall polycarbonate) shield in my time as a riot cop. Heck. I loved it. Shield formations are indeed a system. Half of our staying power (ability to advance under attack too) came merely from having shields and helmets and being trained, motivated and disciplined with them. Forming up took mere seconds in optimal conditions and maybe just twice as much in combat. Also, offensive capabilities of shields are often undeprapreciated. A good shield bash coming from a trained bloke with his back against a platoon of other blokes sends ya flying. tl;dr shields fucking rock in the right context

  • @Notsogoodguitarguy

    @Notsogoodguitarguy

    24 күн бұрын

    A good shield bashing, huh? Dragonslayer Armor from DS3 would agree with you xD

  • @simonspacek3670

    @simonspacek3670

    24 күн бұрын

    Shield bash is great thing. I'm not sure if you can hit with the edge of police riot shield, but you can definitely do it with medieval shield and it is absolutely devastating (if you have a shield made for that, they are usually bit heavier). It is not for everyone, but if it suits your style, it is pretty good trick.

  • @cooked8175

    @cooked8175

    24 күн бұрын

    oink

  • @josecoronadonieto6911

    @josecoronadonieto6911

    24 күн бұрын

    Wish defensive formations worked better and npcs bashed in bannerlord

  • @Grandwigg

    @Grandwigg

    24 күн бұрын

    For me, the construction style and overall look It's the first thing that comes to my mind when thinking of Japanese armor. Someone else said pauldrons, which is high up for me on the component level. Granted, I had a cool Ronin Warriors figurine in the 90s. But oddly enough, even though I love the helmet/Kabuto, I don't /think/ it's the first or even second in my mind.

  • @wilkatis
    @wilkatis24 күн бұрын

    I mean, even if it's not an actual Japanese word, I'd argue that Testudo sounding like "てすつど" absolutely could be mistaken as Japanese by someone

  • @danielantony1882

    @danielantony1882

    23 күн бұрын

    Yeah. Except when you realize that Japanese doesn’t _really_ have Tu. つ is Tsu.

  • @Omni_Shambles

    @Omni_Shambles

    23 күн бұрын

    He is Italian and the root word is Latin so I can imagine to him it does not sound Japanese what so ever. Perspectives.

  • @artro398

    @artro398

    23 күн бұрын

    Testudo does look and sound superficially similar to tetsubo.

  • @cantinadudes

    @cantinadudes

    23 күн бұрын

    ​@@danielantony1882would Tu be written like "とぅ" or is that impossible? (I only know very very little japanese, i can barely introduce myself)

  • @sparking023

    @sparking023

    23 күн бұрын

    as a Portuguese speaker, "testudo" is legit how we would mock someone with a big forehead

  • @Zaeyrus
    @Zaeyrus24 күн бұрын

    Metatron, Raffaello, my friend! I need a favour from you. I am subscribed to a certain yt channel, that has mentioned a comparison between ancient Greeks and Romans where that youtuber claims that unlike the Greeks, the Romans didn't care about body building and left that to slaves and gladiators. But, I am certain I have heared somewhere that there were gymnasiums within public baths which tells me that Romans did care about building their bodies! Can you please cover and clarify the topic on Romans and bodybuilding? (Also, i am certain there is a difference in mindset between "pagan"Romans and Christian Romans). This youtuber is not a historian, it was mentioned in one sentence not related to my question so this is not a critique on the youtubers behalf. Roma Invicta!

  • @gehlesen559

    @gehlesen559

    24 күн бұрын

    Which time period, which social class... ? A lot of the upper class Romans of the early republic sent their children to Athens for education. It'd be very weird if they didn't pick up a couple of habits there.

  • @Zaeyrus

    @Zaeyrus

    24 күн бұрын

    Exactly!

  • @Marveryn

    @Marveryn

    24 күн бұрын

    i may be wrong but did not the roman admire well built statues, venus, and so on. Roman admire a well muscular body. practically worship it. Be weird that most citizen did not wish to be compare to these god like statue.

  • @Zaeyrus

    @Zaeyrus

    24 күн бұрын

    @@Marveryn could be, i just don't know, the premise was that bodybuilding fell out of favour with Romans (most likely when the majority became Christian) and came back in late 19th century

  • @vladtheimpala5532

    @vladtheimpala5532

    24 күн бұрын

    I’m glad you asked that question. I hope The Metatron does cover it. I’ll be interested in his response. I don’t know much about Ancient Greek and Roman history but I find it interesting.

  • @RedwoodTheElf
    @RedwoodTheElf22 күн бұрын

    Countering Cavalry is done quite effectively by a Pike Square, which is a formation similar to the Tortoise, but with the soldiers in the center wielding very long spears or "pikes" The shield bearers at the edges would be blocking ranged attacks, and any horseman foolish enough to charge them would quickly become a pincussion.

  • @Notsogoodguitarguy
    @Notsogoodguitarguy24 күн бұрын

    Also, the point about the "padding" being used for suspension as well is best exemplified in modern construction hats. They don't have any padding whatsoever, but they have a suspension system of leather or other material. And, you know, a hardhat is meant to provide quite the significant shock absorption when a brick or something else falls on your head. And I'm not sure they'd be as effective if they were just a layer of cotton on the inside of the hardhat.

  • @valandil7454

    @valandil7454

    23 күн бұрын

    It paints a pretty picture when something hits you in the hardhat, I caught some low hanging construction work last week and the hat's fine and it only drew a little blood underneath. Still hurt and I felt like I was back in my teens but my skull's still intact 😄

  • @jameswilson4854

    @jameswilson4854

    23 күн бұрын

    But is the suspension system actually better? I suspect that a foam lined hard hat would probably be more protective. Its a trade off between a little less protection and workers not overheating with no airflow

  • @Notsogoodguitarguy

    @Notsogoodguitarguy

    23 күн бұрын

    @@jameswilson4854 I don't know whether it's better or not. I was just giving it as an example of a helmet without padding. There must be a reason, though, that they didn't put any padding in.

  • @12zxgglol
    @12zxgglol24 күн бұрын

    Just don't look at all the other history videos, you are going to have an hart attack

  • @sanjivjhangiani3243

    @sanjivjhangiani3243

    23 күн бұрын

    Oh deer 😂

  • @Direkin

    @Direkin

    23 күн бұрын

    @@sanjivjhangiani3243 Hahaha!

  • @townwitchdoctor5538
    @townwitchdoctor553824 күн бұрын

    I was just about to say that "riveted" shields must work the same way as "studded" armour. There's actually a really interesting video on youtube of Kyujutsu from the 1930s showing men in japanese armour doing archery drills and you can see that they position themselves to gain the maximum protection from their armour, pulling their left arm across the body so the Sode close the arm opening as they draw a new arrow. And also kneeling and a prone position, they're also doing a bounding overwatch fire-and-advance. Really interesting and very different to kyudo, partly because they're shouting the whole time.

  • @jason200912

    @jason200912

    22 күн бұрын

    Lol random shouting

  • @gustGOW
    @gustGOW23 күн бұрын

    Its funny how the ashigaru was animated firing the arquebus in 44:25, Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons recently made a video on the Tanegashina Arquebus, and he shows the correct way of holding

  • @ButchererofRussia
    @ButchererofRussia24 күн бұрын

    Something I hate about that channel is that they repost previously published content because they need to make money at all costs. In fact, I once wrote a comment about Adolf H in one of their videos that earned me thousands of likes, but such an achievement disappeared because the channel managers couldn't think of a better option than to delete the video and republish it many months later. What a waste 🤦‍♂️

  • @perceive9600

    @perceive9600

    24 күн бұрын

    History is told by the Victors. Nothing demonstrates that more clearly than the demonization of a certain great Austrian Painter.

  • @greyfriars6540

    @greyfriars6540

    24 күн бұрын

    @@perceive9600 There was a painter. He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!

  • @perceive9600

    @perceive9600

    24 күн бұрын

    @@greyfriars6540 Quite admirable, German efficiency is! Lol

  • @legateelizabeth

    @legateelizabeth

    20 күн бұрын

    What did you have to say about Hitler? I sure hope it was ‘he was a bit of an arsehole’ or something similar.

  • @Profeowentprs
    @Profeowentprs24 күн бұрын

    Just a normal day with metatron obliterating bad history.

  • @alessandrosummer

    @alessandrosummer

    24 күн бұрын

    Well that wasn't too bad, compared to the guy he debunked last week

  • @Wintermute909

    @Wintermute909

    23 күн бұрын

    He didn't obliterate bad history. He corrected a decent animated 'fun facts' video.

  • @alessandrosummer

    @alessandrosummer

    23 күн бұрын

    @@Wintermute909 also because that video wasn't too bad - as Metatron himself stated

  • @ratoh1710

    @ratoh1710

    23 күн бұрын

    Yeah, far from the worst we've had. A couple glaring issues, a good number of corrections and quite a few nitpicks, but far above most history content mills

  • @carcasses5131
    @carcasses513123 күн бұрын

    Your pedantry for historical details is very much part of your channel's appeal

  • @KeyboardManiaGuy
    @KeyboardManiaGuy24 күн бұрын

    In large-scale battles during the medieval period in Japan, swords were rarely used. In melee combat, the spear is used exclusively to attack the enemy with blows, and when the opponent falls down, the spear is used to finish him off with a thrust. Swords were mostly treated as auxiliary weapons, but in the case of a contact combat, daggers were easier to handle, so few soldiers carried swords on the battlefield. Since two-handed weapons are the main weapons used in battle, there is no room for portable shields. Shields are mainly large shields that can be installed to protect against arrows and bullets.

  • @onekill31

    @onekill31

    24 күн бұрын

    It's like a modern soldier who is always using his battle rifle as a primary weapon and pistol as a sidearm.

  • @jonathanh4443

    @jonathanh4443

    23 күн бұрын

    @@onekill31 Yes, As sexy are they are, swords are a side arm more accurately compared to your pistol. A polearm/spear was the primary weapon.

  • @killerkraut9179

    @killerkraut9179

    23 күн бұрын

    Since two-handed weapons are the main weapons used in battle, there is no room for portable shields. Not always true, its possible to use a shield like armor if its hangs over one shoulder when its used with a 2 handed weapon! I think i have hypothesis about the samurai i think sword became more importent when firearms where used , when they are out of ammo!

  • @Jake-zk3eb

    @Jake-zk3eb

    23 күн бұрын

    Preaching to the choir here.

  • @snowshock8958

    @snowshock8958

    23 күн бұрын

    Samurai had style and function

  • @darekbaird
    @darekbaird24 күн бұрын

    Perhaps his usage of the word "heavy-shield" was the author trying to distinguish stuff like heater/kite shields from say a buckler.

  • @alexyoon-sungcucina7895

    @alexyoon-sungcucina7895

    23 күн бұрын

    Yeah, if I was being generous, I'd say this. Akin to say "Heavy Cavalry" vs. "Light Cavalry". Something perceived as being for full battle by, well, heavy infantry vs. Perhaps a lighter shield for other roles or other combatants.

  • @kainplan2020
    @kainplan202024 күн бұрын

    It's always the aesthetics of the armor/helmet that comes to my mind first, when thinking of Samurai

  • @cladladd
    @cladladd23 күн бұрын

    “I Had to DEBUNK This...” *me who didn’t even know about it till now*

  • @avitalsheva
    @avitalsheva24 күн бұрын

    It is pleasure see this tempo of work from Metatron. Almost unexpected , but still really lovely and always a high quality content

  • @thefangsteel
    @thefangsteel24 күн бұрын

    I got so hyped by the possibility of a Kenshi and Nagamaki video... please do it!

  • @derskalde4973
    @derskalde497324 күн бұрын

    I head to go back, because I misheard "usually used by the Samurai class" as "used in my Samurai class", and was severly confused, because my head immediately went to the mental image of a Professor entering class in a full suit of armor to get the students attention.

  • @mathiasmingardi9272
    @mathiasmingardi927224 күн бұрын

    20:20 "if you try to charge a militia they will run away" Milan militia at battle of pontida enter the chat (I know It's an exception to the rule)

  • @gehlesen559

    @gehlesen559

    24 күн бұрын

    No. It's not. Militia tended to stay in the fight longer against overwhelming odds, when the stakes were high. According to ancient sources.

  • @Yes-gu2wn

    @Yes-gu2wn

    24 күн бұрын

    ​@@gehlesen559could be survivours bias?

  • @gehlesen559

    @gehlesen559

    24 күн бұрын

    @@Yes-gu2wn certainly could be anything, including survivors bias, but makes sense regardless. And is backed up by the results of a lot of military conflicts.

  • @-Higashi-
    @-Higashi-24 күн бұрын

    Love how many vids you been putting out bro !

  • @wavetactics13
    @wavetactics1323 күн бұрын

    When the video shows two guandao when its first starts talking about naginata and comparing it to a glaive, you know the video is gonna have some shortcomings.

  • @astromancer
    @astromancer24 күн бұрын

    Oh come on, Testudo totally sounds like Tetsuo.

  • @robbierobdergrutzkopfderwa2566

    @robbierobdergrutzkopfderwa2566

    24 күн бұрын

    Yeah, thought the same. And he is speaking japanese too.

  • @samisere1998

    @samisere1998

    22 күн бұрын

    Was looking for this as I've mixed up the words before

  • @ZharelAnger
    @ZharelAnger23 күн бұрын

    I enjoy these videos. I hope these encourage others to do research.

  • @KanpekiJan
    @KanpekiJan24 күн бұрын

    Seems like an overall decent video, even if it has a bunch of (I would argue somewhat minor in the grand scheme) inaccuracies. Have to consider that that is a channel that outputs a lot of stuff, for better or worse. Would also say they make it clear enough that shields didn't disappear, just that they started to become less common.

  • @tn1881
    @tn188123 күн бұрын

    Japanese bows and arrows were so powerful that they could penetrate shields, so thick shields or bundles of bamboo were needed to block Japanese arrows. Japanese bows are large and have strong stringing power. Since the tip of the arrow shaft is filled with steel, it has a large mass, and the feathers of the arrow are attached diagonally. This arrow had a heavy mass and flew at high speed while rotating, so it was able to penetrate hard wooden shields and iron plates. The arrow could not be blocked by a shield because it penetrated three pieces of 9mm thick wood. For this reason, samurai armor was made of overlapping iron plates. A 13th century painting depicts his Mongol soldiers being shot behind their shields.

  • @FirstLast-rb5zj
    @FirstLast-rb5zj24 күн бұрын

    Japan is somewhat shield light in part because of the terrain. It tends to be either forested or irregular. In many settings you have a lot of cover already.

  • @caliburnblade7895

    @caliburnblade7895

    23 күн бұрын

    The Philippines is also mountainous and has lots of thick vegetation, but the warriors here preferred shields over armor.

  • @DinnerForkTongue

    @DinnerForkTongue

    23 күн бұрын

    ​@@caliburnblade7895 But how was Filipino metalworking compared to the Japanese? Could be one reason why they favoured less metal-demanding shields.

  • @caliburnblade7895

    @caliburnblade7895

    23 күн бұрын

    @@DinnerForkTongue When the Spanish encountered the headhunters of the north and the moros of the south, they where shocked because the indigenous warrior's weapons where tough and went toe to toe with their western swords. We have rich iron ore deposits here. Plus the indigenous warriors used thick shields with protrusions like a fork to catch blades. Kinda like if you put a bread knife in between a fork then you twist it, it catches it and bites into the fork.

  • @ribos2762

    @ribos2762

    23 күн бұрын

    Much like in the West, shields were phased out because of better armours.

  • @ribos2762

    @ribos2762

    23 күн бұрын

    @@caliburnblade7895 exactly, same with most countries in southeast asia, Vietnam for example had lots of thick vegestation and mountainous areas, and the soldiers used large shields. From the historical depictions, unarmoured militia usually carry large shields. The well armoured troops, the imperial gaurds don't carry shields but prefer long two handed maces and long swords. Large shields were used even till the 18th century.

  • @Casedilla73
    @Casedilla7323 күн бұрын

    When I think of samurai, I definitely do think of the katana and the helmet with some decorative piece on it, but I also think of those big rectangular shoulder pads. Very interesting and distinctive feature that is different from other shoulder armor

  • @teacherjeremyford6625
    @teacherjeremyford662523 күн бұрын

    I learned the perfume thing before, but had completely forgot it. Thank you Metatron!

  • @NeoN-PeoN
    @NeoN-PeoN24 күн бұрын

    The best defense against cavalry is the square formation.

  • @simonspacek3670

    @simonspacek3670

    24 күн бұрын

    Best defense against cavalry is taking away their advantage (well, this can be said about any unit). Cavalry is fast and can strike from above and they have a lot of kinetic energy (you cannot just stand when a horse hits you, you will fly away). So, if you make them stop and somehow get on the same level, you have much better chance to defeat them. And that is where I would like to present wagon fort. Hussites. Make a fort from wagons which are heavy and tall enough, so cavalry cannot get over it or around it, and you are protected by the sides up to your chest and you have flail (big, two-hand flail) or halberd or something else what is quite heavy with good reach. Add some crossbows and guns (and a lot of other soldiers) and cavalry will have quite a bad day. When they get close enough, they mostly get in the way of each other, more horses are trying to get closer, somebody fires a decent gun from under the wagon, horses are panicking, knights cannot really swing their weapons and there are three peasants for every knight, so each knight has to cover himself against three different weapons simultaneously and the result is absolute chaos and massacre. On the outside of the wagon fort.

  • @Lttlemoi

    @Lttlemoi

    24 күн бұрын

    Seconding the suggestion of having a way to stop the horses. To this end, stakes, ditches, walls, rough terrain and other prepared structures work very well too.

  • @simonspacek3670

    @simonspacek3670

    23 күн бұрын

    @@Lttlemoi Well, it works well, but it is not movable that much.

  • @kisaragi_san1378

    @kisaragi_san1378

    23 күн бұрын

    Gustavus Adolphus found a way to move ditches. Just give every man a shovel. Worked against the Polish near the end of his campaign against them. ​@@simonspacek3670

  • @topperisthedog

    @topperisthedog

    23 күн бұрын

    Barbed wire. I think they did that in the Mexican civil war?​@@simonspacek3670

  • @sir_no_name1478
    @sir_no_name147824 күн бұрын

    12:07 I think Testudo sounds really like a possible japanese word. But then again I do not speak any of the mentioned languages. Does it sound to you(dear reader) like a japanese word?

  • @Knight_Astolfo

    @Knight_Astolfo

    24 күн бұрын

    I speak Japanese and can understand why people might get that impression. Meta's thinking in Italian, where "testudo" sounds nothing like Japanese. But if you're just reading it as an anglophone, you miss those subtleties. And if you change the order of two letters: "te-stu-do" becomes "te-tsu-do," which is the Japanese word for railroad.

  • @valandil7454

    @valandil7454

    23 күн бұрын

    Maybe when you pronounce the word Tes-tu-do the way you'd assume they do in Japanese instead of Tes-tudo the way it's pronounced in Italy I can see that 🤔 But then the Japanese word for Turtle's Kame I think 😄

  • @commanderblargh6300

    @commanderblargh6300

    21 күн бұрын

    No, because there's no transisition between the s and the t. It's a bit to explain.

  • @baltasartranconywidemann5129

    @baltasartranconywidemann5129

    18 күн бұрын

    @@Knight_Astolfo Literally "the way of iron".

  • @kwuancolbert213
    @kwuancolbert21324 күн бұрын

    Enjoyed this very much. It was actually nice to see that you didn't have to do too much debunking.

  • @charlieturner5831
    @charlieturner583123 күн бұрын

    Will you do a video on how daimyo (like Oda Nobunaga) during the Sengoku Jidai organized their armies and how they keep them supplied?

  • @michaellumovich8325
    @michaellumovich832522 күн бұрын

    If you weren't "a little bit pedantic", I'd suspect an imposter.

  • @karlaldridge4848
    @karlaldridge484823 күн бұрын

    I didn’t know anything about pre samurai Japan. Enjoyed this.

  • @danorris5235
    @danorris523524 күн бұрын

    First thing I think of when samurai: Armor. I'm pretty ignorant to armor in general, but tons of people have used spears, swords, bows, etc. The armor people were wearing is wildly more different to me than the weapons they used.

  • @Fuzz82
    @Fuzz8223 күн бұрын

    I would love to see a dedicated video of pike and shot. From what I know the Eighty Years War between the Dutch and the Spanish was of great influence. The Dutch based tactics on the Roman manipel and discliplines like reloading muskets while marching.

  • @anzerupnik1442
    @anzerupnik144224 күн бұрын

    Yes steel hamsterballs warfare!

  • @kingfisher_imperialist

    @kingfisher_imperialist

    22 күн бұрын

    Make me a cannonball

  • @dontmindme5189
    @dontmindme518924 күн бұрын

    I think of the Yari, or pike when thinking of Samurai. Or ancient Bushi warriors.

  • @chrisdiokno5600

    @chrisdiokno5600

    24 күн бұрын

    Yeah, samurai and katanas only really became a "thing" in the Sengoku Jidai

  • @maou5025

    @maou5025

    21 күн бұрын

    Most people don’t understand that most sword users are cavalry. Spear got lost on the first charge. Most countries “touched” by Mongol end up training and using only a combination of sword spear bow or guns.

  • @TheLegend-ff8ty
    @TheLegend-ff8ty21 күн бұрын

    This might be weird, but the first thing I think about when I envisions a samurai are the shoulders. Something about the overlapping plates is just very memorable.

  • @wadas9042
    @wadas904224 күн бұрын

    Thanks for great video megatron

  • @eros5420
    @eros542022 күн бұрын

    You don't understand. Japanese would wear shields on their heads so they can deflect blows by intensely bowing lol.

  • @MiroslavBaldzhiev
    @MiroslavBaldzhiev24 күн бұрын

    Making the armor stronger on the left side for right handed person was exactly because he is supposed to use a shield. This is exactly the opposite of what they say. As you said, the left side is the one you will offer to your opponent. But you will do that because your shield is on your left side. If you are right handed and carry no shield offering your left side makes no sense. It makes you more vulnerable and it decreases your range. If you carry no shield and are right handed you will fight with your right side to the front.

  • @IAmFirstborne
    @IAmFirstborne22 күн бұрын

    I'm interested. Make the video! Also, this is a thorough and fair reaction. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and learned quite a few things I had not known before.

  • @Kevin-vc3jf
    @Kevin-vc3jf24 күн бұрын

    this is the problem with some channels trivializing history too much like infographics.. good job on this one even little details if presented with slightly wrong interpretation can create a serious and long lasting misconception.

  • @hunterkiller1440
    @hunterkiller144024 күн бұрын

    I was under the impression ancient Japanese don't have enough metal, thus only enough for katana, not enough for shields.

  • @hewhodoes8073

    @hewhodoes8073

    24 күн бұрын

    This isn't really true, the metal shortage in Japan was more of a post-edo period thing, when they industrialized their economy which needs exponentially more metal.

  • @mondaysinsanity8193

    @mondaysinsanity8193

    24 күн бұрын

    Shields can be wooden

  • @TheOneWhoSometimesSaysOk

    @TheOneWhoSometimesSaysOk

    24 күн бұрын

    ​@@mondaysinsanity8193 *are mostly wooden

  • @peterc4082

    @peterc4082

    24 күн бұрын

    @@hewhodoes8073 Yes that was a mistake. Giving them the way to industrialise and what it led to in the 20th century.

  • @tearsintherain6311

    @tearsintherain6311

    24 күн бұрын

    @@peterc4082Americans are always so offended to hear the attack dog they beat up, captured and trained tried to bite the hand that feeds 😂

  • @SebastianShadows
    @SebastianShadows24 күн бұрын

    Leaning in or "attacking their attack with your defense" is part of a concept of getting inside the effective range of the attack. By leaning in you can take the blow on your armor from the mid blade in the mid point of its arc. When the blow is at its weakest and earlier than the opponent expects. In that regard you take some of their time away and open up more time for your counter

  • @cp1cupcake

    @cp1cupcake

    24 күн бұрын

    I just thought it was funny that the guy argues that they would try to intentionally deflect blows with something connected to the head. You know, a part of the body which you want to especially keep away from the enemy.

  • @petriew2018

    @petriew2018

    23 күн бұрын

    ironically this is why the buckler was so popular and effective in spite of it's seemingly small size. You can push to forward to intercept a blow earlier to deflect it much more easily then you could would a larger shield or one strapped to the arm. However the original video doesn't seem to appreciate that any piece of armor strapped directly to the body you never 'lean in' to a blow with, that just increases the amount of force you'll receive directly against your body. You want to lean away at the point of contact, absorb the force of the blow and direct it away from your core.

  • @JifeesAgo
    @JifeesAgo23 күн бұрын

    I finally know the correct way to say Pavise😂😂😂😂😂. Ty Metatron. I have always been fascinated with that particular shield from the first time I saw one.

  • @ericb7680
    @ericb768023 күн бұрын

    I always appreciate your content. I cannot recall a time I have disagreed with you, Which I'm sure , so knowing you breathed out a sigh of relief... :)

  • @kvassman_
    @kvassman_24 күн бұрын

    45 seconds ago is a wild thing to see

  • @todo9633
    @todo963324 күн бұрын

    Even after you had full plate(or another type of armor with similar levels of protection from projectiles) you might still want a shield because being hit by a javelin or slingstone could still give you a concussion, especially with a staff sling, or if thrown downwards from a wall.

  • @Ewil.Bluetooth
    @Ewil.Bluetooth24 күн бұрын

    Watching your videos is always a delight. Because you are delightful. D-lightful.

  • @st0rmrider
    @st0rmrider22 күн бұрын

    Very nice video as always. Have you considered the Dendra armor? I'd like your take on it

  • @jeffreylysen7647
    @jeffreylysen764724 күн бұрын

    I feel like Agincourt was a pretty close representation of bows being the deciding factor and it was essentially over because of that.

  • @MW_Asura

    @MW_Asura

    24 күн бұрын

    No, it wasn't

  • @Intranetusa

    @Intranetusa

    24 күн бұрын

    Yep, it was certainly a major factor. However, the terrain and fortifications also contributed and the archers had to engage in melee after using up their arrows...so it can be argued there were still many factors. In some ancient Chinese battles, massed armor penetrating crossbow fire played a large role in turning the course of a battle, but melee infantry and/or melee cavalry were still often needed to finish the job. At the Battle of Jieqiao in 191 AD/CE, Gongsun Zan decided to order a head-on charge of his elite armored cavalry into Yuan Shao's elite armored infantry. Yuan Shao's infantry had a combined arms formation of shielded polearm troops (halberds, spears, pikes, etc) and crossbowmen. Yuan Shao's elite armored infantry held their ground behind their shields, shot the enemy cavalry to pieces with heavy crossbows at close range (and broke the enemy cavalry charge and its formation), and killed the rest with polearm troops who were kneeling in front of the crossbowmen.

  • @user-hm9is5ke9i
    @user-hm9is5ke9i24 күн бұрын

    Ubisoft said 50% of Japan was black though.

  • @10thletter40

    @10thletter40

    24 күн бұрын

    Oh lol, it's assassins creed, I don't think it matters that much

  • @chrisdiokno5600

    @chrisdiokno5600

    24 күн бұрын

    They didn't?

  • @sharkygames9633

    @sharkygames9633

    24 күн бұрын

    they never said that lmao

  • @bridiptabharali3433

    @bridiptabharali3433

    24 күн бұрын

    Rage bait

  • @kathyflorcruz552

    @kathyflorcruz552

    18 күн бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @ZharelAnger
    @ZharelAnger23 күн бұрын

    48:20 Megingjörð was the mythical wide belt used by Thor and based upon a belt used to transfer the lower half of the weight of chainmail from the shoulders to the hips. I found that such a belt above the hips with hooks to carry the chainmail increased my endurance while wearing knee-length chainmail tenfold. BTW I am 6'1 and a lean 212lbs. I appreciate a distributed load; it prevents nesciences like broken bones and strained tendons. The belt also provides a light and effective layer of armor to the abdomen and lower back. These ancient warriors knew their craft well.

  • @viktorgabriel2554
    @viktorgabriel255424 күн бұрын

    i love your videos especially when you hyper focus on details also love the accent messing up what you are saying sometimes

  • @HasvenWorld
    @HasvenWorld24 күн бұрын

    A lot of people can say first comment. But I will claim first like

  • @johnproctor6438
    @johnproctor643824 күн бұрын

    “It’s true you can use anything to hit an enemy in the face” That, sir, is exactly why I continue to watch your videos.😂😂😂😂

  • @metatronyt

    @metatronyt

    24 күн бұрын

    Right on! :D

  • @johnproctor6438

    @johnproctor6438

    23 күн бұрын

    @@metatronyt and you replying just earned yourself another patreon sub.

  • @venga3
    @venga324 күн бұрын

    I literally just had to re-subscribe to your channel. I don't remember unsubscribing. I've been subscribed for years I think.

  • @vladtheimpala5532
    @vladtheimpala553224 күн бұрын

    When I think of a Samurai Warrior, the first thing I think about is the sword and then I think of the other two swords and then the armor, especially the headgear. I regret that I won’t have time to watch this whole video right now while it’s fresh but I’m looking forward to finishing it later.

  • @devnull1200
    @devnull120024 күн бұрын

    It would be good to see a video describing the tactics and formation of the Tercios

  • @Retchmack
    @Retchmack23 күн бұрын

    A video comparing the European pike and shot tactics with the tactics of the Japanese using the yari and tanegashima would be very interesting. I haven't seen it covered by anyone. It seems to me that the Japanese independently ended up developing a very similar method of war once introduced to the gun.

  • @shaidrim
    @shaidrim23 күн бұрын

    Nice video! Both yours than the animated one😊 P.s. at 39’ mark the on screen script write “Male” instead of Mail…

  • @simonmurray9847
    @simonmurray984720 күн бұрын

    I would love to see a video on pike and shot. It's one of my favorite periods of history. Such and interesting time of change and invention.

  • @shaidrim
    @shaidrim23 күн бұрын

    Regarding the "leaning into the blow" thing, its value is that if you intercept a blow before the completion of its impact arc, you will greatly reduce the force with which it hit. I wouldn't recommend doing it with your head during an armed fight, but in reality in martial arts most of the block should “lean” or anticipate the blow they defend to reduce force of impact, and there is even a technique in which you intercept a punch with your forehead before it can develop its full power. clearly timing is key.

  • @Bdaro-54n
    @Bdaro-54n24 күн бұрын

    11:26 the sumerian already had shield wall like formations. Just an small tip

  • @janwitts2688
    @janwitts268824 күн бұрын

    A very enjoyable video.. thank you

  • @johnjacomb2645
    @johnjacomb264524 күн бұрын

    Pavise are handheld shields, there's many depictions of them being used on foot in the freydal tournament book held by emperor Maximilian

  • @valandil7454

    @valandil7454

    23 күн бұрын

    Throughout the 15th century when they were used you're right there were "Infantry Pavise" that were kind of the equivilent of the much earlier Kite shields at least according the Met Museum in Austria. But the ones that most resembled the ones used by the Japanese to cover their missile troops as they advanced was the much larger ones we associate with the crossbowman from Genoa 🙂 You're right that needed more context as it's a few centuries of history and Europe's full of variety depending on who and when

  • @gabrielgrabois
    @gabrielgrabois24 күн бұрын

    about the leaning into attack thing, I think that is a derivation from some martial arts where you block punches with your forehead( the thickest part of the skull), because the forehead bone are significantly sturdier than the fingers

  • @CertifiedSunset
    @CertifiedSunset23 күн бұрын

    Been loving the recent Japanese focused videos, been playing Ghost of Tsushima and loving it a ton! I know the game isn't historically accurate, it's more of an homage to Akira Kurosawa's film making just using a real Mongol invasion as a canvas for the story. it would be cool to see you do a video on Ghost of Tsushima if you haven't already.

  • @adamstanisaw2892
    @adamstanisaw289222 күн бұрын

    En joyed the video. Thanks Metatron.

  • @Dralafi
    @Dralafi23 күн бұрын

    Yes, do Pike and Shotte video, very interesting concept.

  • @damienb2074
    @damienb207424 күн бұрын

    Hello Actually i think English use the term "Legionnaire" differently, but Legionnaire is just the French term for "Legionnary" (hence the foreign legion, slightly after Napoleon) I was just pinpointing that but i enjoyed what i saw of the video as of now :D

  • @Recoil1808
    @Recoil180824 күн бұрын

    To me the most interesting thing about the often-forgotten tedate is the fact that it became a recognized counter to pistol shot, to the point where samurai were depicted using it for such self-defense roles in manuals, even while fully armored, though they generally got smaller over time.

  • @ZharelAnger
    @ZharelAnger24 күн бұрын

    10:40 Many of the later heater shields were convex to catch the lance tip and keep it from sliding off to the face, groin, or across the defender's body (Wallace Collection 1500c and the Royal Army Museum in Brussels 1490c). My favs are the pieces where the shield has become part of the vamplate as well as the pauldron and vambrace.

  • @jamesmejia2955
    @jamesmejia295523 күн бұрын

    In response to the thing you mentioned about shifting your weight into a strike. So as a Muay Thai fighter, sometimes when a strike is coming I do tend to push my weight into the strike, this is done to prevent whiplash which could knock you out and also to retain balance, so yes shifting your weight into strike does help you absorb it better but it is always better to evade or parry a shot than to have to absorb even a part of it

  • @xFlow150
    @xFlow15024 күн бұрын

    Please do make a video about pikeman, their formations and formations where ranged infantry and close combat infantry work together in one formation.

  • @tommeakin1732
    @tommeakin173224 күн бұрын

    40:22 I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure I remember hearing Toby Capwell say that one of the things he's seen with English plate is that they're more likely to have held onto more symmetrical designs, and considering that they were more likely to fight on foot, it's maybe the case that the asymmetry we see in many armours is more from horseback use. Some of the larger left shoulders we see on asymmetrical armours can limit upward movement more, which is a greater problem when on foot.

  • @morrari690
    @morrari69023 күн бұрын

    49:20 since you asked, in martial arts one way to stop an attack (reduce its damage) is to lean into it. stopping it before it gets momentum or something, i cant explain the reason behind it fully, but i do know it works, when done correctly, against kicks, punches, strikes with weapons.

  • @tommyfishhouse8050
    @tommyfishhouse805024 күн бұрын

    Not the specific Infographics video I've been asking you to respond to. But I'm glad you responded all the same. Do a response to the one they did about Time Travel to the middle ages. "Why You Wouldn't Survive In Medieval Time"

  • @DipsetTheAdon
    @DipsetTheAdon23 күн бұрын

    I enjoy your information

  • @andreasbottler-hu5uz
    @andreasbottler-hu5uz24 күн бұрын

    I love your sence for detail and your afford to communicate historical correct facts.

  • @mansfieldtime
    @mansfieldtime23 күн бұрын

    . I understand wanting to "Rush in /Close the distance." with Pole Weapons because you get past the dangerous part. Or the strike is less power. Either way, you rush in but STILL try too avoid injury.

  • @ZharelAnger
    @ZharelAnger24 күн бұрын

    13:15 they moved slow, but that was a factor of the weight of the gear and the need to preserve energy in the legs. When missiles were launched, a particular watchword was called, and then the troops snapped the shields into alignment (Marcus Licinius Crassus).