If you enjoyed this, please check out my video about the Temporal Cold War: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaWTlql9dZq5hLQ.html

@cosmicquestion9184

Жыл бұрын

@@discobolos4227 No Disco, if you would've made that joke on the Gorn video it would've been too much. The world just isn't ready for that kind of humor, it's too intense! 😲

This story was produced and aired but somehow, our timeline changed so now there is no memory of this actually happening.

@nicoleackerman205

Жыл бұрын

Mandela Effect.

@rickjohnston1728

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and Enterprise went on thru 7 seasons, with seasons 5-7 focusing primarily on the Romulan War and the founding of the Federation.

@Cau_No

Жыл бұрын

@@rickjohnston1728 Oh, you've seen them, too? I thought I was the only one here …

@johncunningham4820

Жыл бұрын

Yeah . Fantastic writing wasn't it . Fooled Most People .

@GeoStreber

Жыл бұрын

*stares emptily*

Manny Coto doesn't get nearly the respect and credit he deserves. he had one season to turn Enterprise into a show worth watching, and by and large he succeeded. it helps that he went in with a plan of what he wanted to do, and managed to get to almost all of them before he was forced to stop. the perfect example of what can happen when a showrunner respects the lore and his franchise, and he had FAR more hits than misses. I'll also forgive him the Finale That Must Not Be Named, because doubtless that came from above him and there wasn't anything he could do. Demons/Terra Prime is a far better endpoint anyway.

@valueofnothing2487

8 ай бұрын

I don't know about that. A lot of it is mindless action. And Bound is just a horrible exercise in the sexualization of women. The MU stuff is completely pointless. I heard that he was going to do 5 episodes of this in the next season, which would have been absolutely dreadful.

@helenafarkas4534

8 ай бұрын

@@valueofnothing2487 I'm not saying every episode was a win. just that he had more wins than not. there ARE (to my mind at least) a lot of genuinely good, thoughtful stories in season 4. the Vulcan arc was amazing. and there are good reasons why the mirror universe episodes are so highly regarded among fans. and the episode where archer brought both the andorains and the tellerites to the negotiating table? :chef's kiss:. and while I'm not denying he has stinkers, some of that is due to the material he was working with. it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to tackle the Orion Syndicate and tell a non sexist story - and that particular bit of lore goes all the way back to Gene Roddenbery and the very first pilot. Manny Coto did his best to flip that narrative on it's head, but there's only so much he could do, unless he changed so much he might as well have invented an entirely new species out of whole cloth, which was not the point of that particular episode.

Man, I can almost see this episode premise playing out before my eyes. What a shame it never got made. I'm about 90% onboard with Phlox's brain chemistry being the deciding factor in his remembering the alternate events. We already know Denobulans are resistant to _weird_ spacetime effects, as displayed repeatedly in in the Delphic Expanse during ENT S3. However, in order to not leave the door open for all Denobulans to suddenly be potential timeline-shift detectors, the writers would need something specific to have happened to Phlox that differentiates him from the rest of his species. The perfect candidate could be said time in the Delphic Expanse. For example, he spent over a week (iirc) awake in a gigantic spatial anomaly where he slowly began to lose his mind. That's a halfway decent explanation right there.

@snikrepak

Жыл бұрын

You need to be hired by the writers

@irregularassassin6380

Жыл бұрын

@@snikrepak Isn't that the dream?

@glenhill9884

Жыл бұрын

He is not the only Denobulan in the galaxy, so the story would have to take into account how all of the others noticed the same changes wherever they lived, too. Just ending with, "Hmm, must've been a Temporal War bandage" and let it go would have been awfully disappointing.

@Cavemanner

10 ай бұрын

​@@glenhill9884the OP LITERALLY spent their WHOLE COMMENT addressing that issue lmaoooooooo

That would have made a great episode and John Billingsley would have have done a fantastic job. He’s one of my favorites from the series.

@thomasbarca9297

Жыл бұрын

He should of appeared in snw

@jessesierke6264

Жыл бұрын

Mine too!

An animated fifth season would be kind of awesome.

@racman7661

Жыл бұрын

I think this is a great idea!

Wait a minute they were going to encounter Flint the immortal? God damn now I'm even more pissed at the early cancellation.

I know about the view of mind melds as being subversive or even taboo at this point in the series, but Phlox would view it more clinically. If he could persuade T’Pol and Archer to realize its efficacy in this situation, T’Pol would be able to share his experiences and perhaps even trace the moment when the two timelines diverge.

@irregularassassin6380

Жыл бұрын

@@subraxas Equally interesting could be if T'Pol had difficulty separating fact from ... well, alternative fact (I cringe, but what else can I call it?). If the writers elected to attribute Phlox's ability, at least in part, to his time in the spatial anomalies of the Delphic Expanse, his mind could potentially be "occupying" or "tapping into" a literal different reality. According to everyone else, he was present for all of those alternate events. That means that he should remember him. He doesn't, because his timeline/reality is different. The Sphere Builders live in a spacetime where multiple potential timelines are visible. I think the most interesting plotline would be to have Phlox's mind be able to see, or exist, in two potential realities.

@kaitlyn__L

Жыл бұрын

She wouldn’t even need to be persuaded, as by that point the Romulan infiltration of the Vulcan government was over and mind melds were no longer taboo. T’Pol even did one later in season 4. She might even be a dab hand by that point!

@irregularassassin6380

Жыл бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L Hello again! I'm just reading one of the Romulan War books now. It's set in 2157, and T'Pol is apparently fairly skilled at mind-melds. She's come a long way from being a mind-meld abuse, and Pa'Nar Syndrome, survivor.

@kaitlyn__L

Жыл бұрын

@@irregularassassin6380 nice :D

T'Pol would have discovered that her father was a Romulan if Manny Coto had his way. She also had to wonder why Trip, Phlox, Archer, and Malcolm didn't tell her that Trip wasn't dead at first (a trust issue?). Travis and Hoshi would've had more to do. Cdr. T'Pol would finally get to wear the Starfleet uniform like everyone else on duty. What she wears off duty would be what Jolene would like her to wear. No more holodeck stories by other "ST" programmes interrupting "Enterprise" episodes Let "Enterprise" stand by itself.

The whole cloaking device thing could easily be explained as Suluban tech of that nature not being compatible or reproduceable similar to how Voyager was able to steal a transwarp coil but didn't have the knowledge or ability to make one. So Kirks mission to steal a Romulan cloak still works in the timeline as we know from the shows that Romulan cloaks are normally the most advanced and we even see that when the Enterprise was able to scan the minefield but not pick up the warbirds themselves.

@comentedonakeyboard

Жыл бұрын

In real life stealth tech was reinvented multiple times anyway.

@Mark_LaCroix

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the semi-official explanation for this kind of thing is that cloaking devices and the devices that can see though cloaking devices trade off in a cat and mouse game of effectiveness though the years. As much is implied in Redemption and later episodes which reference alternate/improved versions of tachyon detection tech, and attempts to subvert it. In the first season of Picard, an 2260s-era Romulan Bird of Pray is implied as having an old cloak that is basically useless.

@chris56269

Жыл бұрын

I always viewed the cloaking tech in Enterprise as being a super primitive version, so primitive in comparison to that seen in Balance of Power that's it's not really even thought of as the same tech. Like the difference between a bow and arrow and a railgun. In Enterprise a ship using the tech looked invisible but perhaps was still detectable through a variety of means (not just the beacons they ended up getting), more a stealth system to make a ship harder to detect rather than a proper cloaking device that rendered a ship effectively undetectable. A small sounding but important distinction. In Discovery I think they did something similar, I forget the episode name but they battle a huge Klingon ship by spore jumping all around it, they were still able to detect the power signature of the Klingon ship (which wouldn't be possible with a proper cloak) they just had difficulty telling it's precise location. The TOS Romulan version was basically the first time the Federation encountered a full cloak which, at the time, was immune to basically ever scanning tech they had, the first true cloaking device albeit an extension of the 'stealth tech' previously encountered. Whilst this episode sounds interesting it almost sounds like they are trying too hard to retcon something that could have been easily explained away with a few lines of dialogue rather than an entire episode dedicated to it.

@comentedonakeyboard

Жыл бұрын

@@chris56269 makes sense, after all Balance of Terror was based on a WWII U-Boot movie. And that was certainly not the first time the US Navy encountered Submarines.🖖

I think this could have been a great 2 part finale. Explaining that the TCW was sort of, almost, most likely a catalyst for a fractured Trek multiverse. It could have even fit in with the Worf episode where he shifts between realities. Where every possible Canon does happen.

@tristanmendoza4628

Жыл бұрын

So umm... you don't live here(?) Sorry I couldn't resist.. Parallels has to be one of my top 10 fave episodes.

I've thought that a good explanation for a lot of the continuity problems was that in the outset of the Romulan War, the Romulans unleashed a computer virus that wiped almost everything from Starfleet's archives. This could also then be a segue into the creation of Memory Alpha

It didn't make me think of "Yesterday's Enterprise" as much as the one where people are disappearing and Dr Crusher is the only one who remembers the people that have disappeared.

@zoefschildpad

Жыл бұрын

I was looking for this comment, except I was going to go with the episode where Worf was moving into alternate universes. I guess Star Trek does get a bit repetitive.

@turbopokey

Жыл бұрын

I was kinda thinking of the Voyager episode where somehow Tuvok ended up back in his previous body and during a staff meeting he brought up the Delta Flyer to handle a specific problem they were having but nobody knew what he was talking about. After he thought about it for a moment he realized even he didn’t exactly know what he was talking about, yet he also did. He was very confused.

Weird, I've done a lot of research over the years on Enterprise's never produced episodes and script ideas and I've never heard of this one before. I'm hoping it was an actual pitch and not just some fan theory floating on the internet because this sounds awesome. I actually love Phlox and wanted to see more of him

I think that would have a been interesting - I always like Phlox’s character, and thought they could a lot more with his role. Interesting video!

It's not too late. You can use much of this idea, and backdoor an Enterprise season 5 mini season. Send Pike back to 5-10 year mission of NX-01. The actors have aged, so have the characters. Admiral Archer is told the final battle of the temporal war is about to be fought... And for whatever reason Pike and key members of his crew are involved. We get some closure to Enterprise, see the start of the Federation, and use the timeline cleanup idea from this pitched episode to get it ALL in alignment.... Possibly even Kelvin verse

They could have gone really dark with the strange plot ending with the erasing of Denobulans from the main universe due to something like "temporal inertia". They don't go with the flow of time alteration, so after enough, they get excised out of the super maleable prime reality.

That would have been a awesome episode. I’ve said over and over again that the radically different “Disco-verse” could be explained as a simple offshoot of the Temporal Cold War of Enterprise-but that would involve CBS/Secret Hideout admitting that “NuTrek” is a separate timeline from TOS, et al., which at present they still seem loathed to do.

@Mark_LaCroix

Жыл бұрын

If you were hired to write a sequel (not a reboot) to a popular scifi movie or TV show that you've loved since you were a child, would you be excited to agree with angry fans that your chapter isn't part of the "real" timeline? This drumbeat of haters saying "they can have their dumb version of Star Trek as long as they agree that it doesn't count!", as if that's some kind of compromise or reasonable, happy solution for all, is *literally insane*. I don't know if you mention it because that's your personal opinion or just a thing you've heard people say, but it's the mindset of a person who has a total lack of empathy. If someone doesn't like a piece of Star Trek, that's totally fair, but it's as "real" as Code of Honor or Bound or Threshold or Turnabout Intruder or any of the famous duds across Trek history. We all had to do this with Enterprise back in the day, I don't see why people can't do it now.

@MoonjumperReviews

Жыл бұрын

@@Mark_LaCroix - What part of what I said mentions anything about hating it? I don't. What I said has nothing to do with whether it's good or bad. It's regarding, does it fit into continuity or not (including narratively, not just visually)? It does not. Including Strange New Worlds, which is actually quite good, but it has its own continuity question marks, as well. Could it be explained by being an offshoot timeline, one connected to the original timeline via "Enterprise?" Quite possibly, and that would be intriguing. What part of that makes you think that it "wouldn't count?" It absolutely would count. It would be canon just like the J.J. films are canon. I enjoy it, so I want it to work.

@Mockthenerd

Жыл бұрын

@@MoonjumperReviews dude can't admit his new stuff is crap. Just ignore him.

If they bring back Short Treks, maybe John Billingsley can reprise his role as Phlox and do a short version of this concept using clips from Enterprise as he retells there events to someone. That would be great.

Or they could have the NX-01 being contained inside the recesses of the TARDIS while the Doctor went around fixing temporal inconsistencies and attaching them to fixed points in time. Ya know, wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff.

@freebird0147

Жыл бұрын

Grow up

@lifeinthevoid1595

Жыл бұрын

@@freebird0147 huh? They're having a bit of fun with a call out to last weeks video... not sure why that makes you feel the need to give them a grumpy response?

@comentedonakeyboard

Жыл бұрын

Q fixes all

Actualy explaining away Enterprises (or Treks in general) continuity errors provides a nice "mental gymnastics" excercise.

Fan fiction or real pitch: This video was a great addition to my head canon. Thank you!

Not sure, I think an episode where the Vulcans nuke earth into the Stone Age on first contact would maybe have sorted this out.

never heard about it, but I absolutely love it. It leaves the door open to so many possibilities

Tyler, you once again knocked it out of the park! I am a huge Star Trek Enterprise fan, and both this premise for an episode, as well as a fifth season should have happened. Then at least, Enterprise could have completed their 1st five year mission before the start of the Romulan War.

As someone actually likes A Night in Sickbay this would have been the best episode for the best doctor in star trek

@marcychan168

Жыл бұрын

Loved McCoy TOS Liked the Doctor on Voyager - quite funny at times Plox Comme ci comme ca Peace

And due to the cloaking timeline change - when Kirk snuck aboard the Romulan warbird in The Enterprise Incident, he didn't end up grabbing their cloaking device. He instead captured a strange amalgamation of a Sargon receptacle and Nomad's head. Continuity fixed!

@colemacgrath2005

Жыл бұрын

I think that episode would’ve stayed the same way, Balance of Terror would probably have been retconed tho

A Star Trek video? On this channel? What the hell? That's unexpected.

First time hearing this, kinda love it. I do however see Enterprise as a direct prequel to the TOS era including SNW and feel it merges remarkably well. Were I to write the missing season, I would simply have had the addition of the anti-cloak sensors derived from Daniels tech be the reason that Suliban cloak would be deemed ineffectual when used as a basic upgrade to the fleet sensor systems and the Romulan tech be a far more effective variation using different tech so comparatively "alien" to that specific suliban tech that the sensors derived from it were ineffective beyond the TOS era tracking of exhaust particulate matter leaving the cloak's coverage, and even that would require significant tweeking on a ship class by ship class and upgrade basis, turning it into an arms race of precision sensors vs cloaking tech to find the relatively small cloaked probes that would lead into the Romulan war and the first example shown on screen during the TOS era of a full sized "capital" ship with that capability.

I love Phlox! Any episode featuring him on the main are my favorites, this would have been amazing. Love discovery and strange new worlds, I can't get enough.

I always took the time line realignment to be back to what the Enterprise series would have been if it kept going and not that all of the series temporal shenanigans were also realigned. I liked this idea as it gave wiggle room for new prequels to not match perfectly with TOS & TNG stated history. Essentially the Enterprise timeline is a 3rd variant sperate from Kelvin and Prime lines that way everything that happend in the series actually happened and is their history going forward and it doesn't get washed away in what would effectively equate to "it was all a dream." As to why the Federation doesn't end up with all the new toys they played with along the way would come down to Archer and the senior staff limiting their use and the knowledge of to minimise further deviations.

That would have been a fascinating episode. Terrific glimpse into what might have been. And I'll mess with the timeline however I see fit mua ha ha!

The NewTrek showrunners just use the Temporal Cold War in Enterprise as a "loose End" so they can get away with Canon violations imo

@TheMrPeteChannel

Жыл бұрын

Word!

@OrangeRiver

Жыл бұрын

Frankly, I'm not even gonna disagree with that

@jorgnocke991

Жыл бұрын

@@OrangeRiver please can you talk about the simpiotes from Stargate SG1

I have not heard about this storyline. This would have made a better finale than "these are the voyages."

@nicoleackerman205

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah the finale is in my top 10 worst finales.

@johnchedsey1306

Жыл бұрын

They could have filmed 45 minutes of T'Pol, Archer and Trip making armpit noises and that would have been a better finale. I'm generally an easy going fan when it comes to Star Trek, but as far as I'm concerned, These Are the Voyages is not an actual episode.

live long and prosper - I really need to watch more Enterprise

Not so big on the all denobulans can just be immune to temporal rewrite idea but maybe his biology and being in some anomaly (the expanse perhaps?) Being the reason he specifically can remember.

@irregularassassin6380

Жыл бұрын

I just wrote a long post about this, but I was thinking the same thing. He was resistant to, and exposed to, regions of space that were being "terraformed" to suit the needs of extradimensional beings (the Sphere Builders) that could peer into multiple timelines and predict probable outcomes. He also was conscious for over a week (iirc) in one such region, which affected his mind to the point where he began hallucinating. This was apparently not uncommon for Denobulans, but it was also a sign that his mind was attempting to heal itself. Potentially, his mind could have been altered to the point where he too is capable of perceiving multiple timelines, or at least tracking changes in timelines. If that's the case, he would make for a great Supervisor, or Agent.

Enterprise takes place in an alternative timeline created by the Borg Temporal Incursion during the battle of sector 001. Picard and crew did their best, but they didn't fully patch the timeline. This explains the Borg "corpses" in Antarctica in season 2's Regeneration.

I don't know, we kind of got a similar episode where the Xindi destroy Earth and restoring the timeline hinges on curing Archer. It would have come off as the writers acknowledging that they did not pay attention to continuity and are only tying things up to placate the angry fans. If you're going to touch the topic at all, then I think it's a more elegant and interesting idea that First Contact and Enterprise "screwed up" the original timeline a bit. It gives the Temporal Cold War more street cred too. This was the closest the Federation was able to restore the timeline and this is why time travel is so widely not available anymore. It lets the franchise examine the consequences of their past storylines instead of a clumsy do-over. At one point you have to break continuity, especially with the visuals of a show like SNW.

I'm only in five minutes but I already love this plot idea. This would have been awesome!

I think it could have worked, but I think it would be better than instead of biology (which doesn't make since), they tie it back to the partial assimilation Phlox went through after they encountered the Borg. Had it set up that, that small temporal communication device we see Seven have in Voy: Timeless. It could have been partially finished but it went undetected because of the technology of the time and now it was trying to assert itself. A solution could have been Daniels coming back and explaining the situation and removing it. It also would have solved the "what else changed" problem. It then Daniels could have picked up the rest of his time equipment which we still do not know what happened too, and that was the last of him we see.

It would've made for an interesting episode. Maybe there should be like a spin that takes the pre-production stuff for unaired season of Enterprise, as well as the topic that was discussed in this video.

This could have been really interesting, but I think it would have worked better as an Archer episode. That way you could explain his knowledge of the different timeline by saying it's the result of the treatment Phlox gave him for the interspatial parasites in Season three's "Twilight."

@alexandercaires5921

Жыл бұрын

What would be better for the plot would be Archer pulls Phlox off to the side and nutshell the Temporal Cold War and convince him so that Denobula is isolated till after the 22nd century (as you have to fix contact with Denobula too)

My personal theory is that TOS, as we originally saw it, was the timeline "prior" to the "Chronowerx" computer revolution, with all the sixties-extrapolated technology. The introduction of future technology upset the timeline enough to cover a lot of different variant events.

To the point in 'Two Prime Timelines?' - I *have* to use ENT as a 'gateway' to further alterations, or I can't accept the new shows' changes. I have always looked at the Borg, via their actions in First Contact especially, as a species that was willing to do messy temporal surgery to enhance themselves quickly. For me, this helps explain their spotty presence throughout history, and extreme changes in capability/presence through the small window of TNG/VOY. I think they are learning, going back, teaching themselves, hyper accelerating their advancement, maybe making huge gambles and taking huge losses at times, rebuilding. Messy collateral damage too. I consider TOS, TNG, DS9 mostly to be the pure prime timeline (except Q...) - then VOY and ENT open doors to other species, the Krenim, the temporal cold war actors, who also seem unafraid to get messy with time. Just found your channel, love it, catching up. Very *very* glad to find a Trek channel that isn't just complaining about wokeness.

Considering they were on the verge of getting cancelled since Season 2 concluded, I think Season 4 was the best as they could do to wrap up all their storylines. Sure you could say it was cancelled early but they did wrap it up. After 18 straight years and over 750 episodes of Trek viewers had Star Trek Burnout.

This makes me think an interesting episode idea would be if somehow all of the crew came from different realities. Some would have slight variations in history, others could be dramatically different. They'd have to figure out how to get themselves back home.

@EvenTheDogAgrees

8 ай бұрын

At least it would be more believable than "someone went back in time and changed things, and as a result every single atom and molecule in the universe is now consistent with this new reality, _except_ for Phlox's brain for some hand-wavy reason". I mean, your idea would actually be worth filming.

Ahhh Yeah!! I meant, Woo Hoo! Ahh Hoo? Woo Yeah??

When he said "commercial break" a youtube ad started.

If anything, I think the show should have been done in reverse. The cast keeps interacting with a minor crew character who has no/different recollections about events. Midway through the episode, we discover that the crewman is actually a time agent trying to discern what time divergences have occurred to the enterprise crew. Near the end of the episode, having collecting his data and preparing to return, he is ambushed and slain by a suliban, and we learn that the changes will be permanent, and no one will be the wiser...

The cloaking shuttle-pod they kept was the coolest part of Enterprise’s pilot episode… I don’t remember them using it as much as they should have.

It would have been a great series ending, and a far better one than the disastrous episode we got.

It would have been funny if in the end the 29 century time police showed up to fix the problem. lol

New trek seems to focus too heavy on time travel than anything.

@TheMrPeteChannel

Жыл бұрын

And overly emotional actors always crying.

@snikrepak

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMrPeteChannel Or commiting treasonous acts and then getting a slap on the wrist, there is no more trek, if the science is non existent, then trek no longer exists. Time travel is just a woo topic, the uneducated and young ones will go crazy over it, why not have first contact? Or establishing relations between species that have been at war for a long time? What I see in the old trek, are lessons and morales, the new trek (,discovery after) it's more about making yourself look the role, rather than use your brains to figure out a highly intelligent puzzle? (Oh we have a computer for that now!) Oh great take away the last relative part of humanity to push a seriously over used and quite honestly poorly organized agenda? The reason for humanity's downfall won't be the nukes or bullets fired, but by the doctored information to push and individuals agenda. If you forget your history, it will repeat itself.

Never heard of this speculation before but it sounds logical to me.ENTERPRISE from the very first episode was very much about a temporal war than anything else so it would fit well that an Alien like PHLOX would sense changes in "Reality"much like GUINAN did on STTNG.All incarnations of STAR TREK had episodes involving time travel or alternate universes as our current science agrees such phenomenon is possible so such stories can be told within the genre of sci-fi and not be labeled fantasy.It also allows the writers to use the best of their creativity as an endless range of tales can be told and even errors can be explained to satisfy the most scrutinizing fan(Almost).But it should be noted EINSTIEN once said that He didn't think GOD played dice with the universe,but sometimes STAR TREK seems to say existence is really just a big long crap game !Lol

@jymfysher7704

Жыл бұрын

I stand corrected by the great SUBRAXES ! Yes you are known for your wisdom even in the KLINGON EMPIRE and a suspected participant in the TEMPORAL CONFLICT as well as an advisor to our favorite informant known as TYLER.We are honored,one such as you could go far in the EMPIRE should you decide to share certain FEDERATION secrets with us !

I like the idea of fixing it.. but it will probably be ignored by the people that can fix it. Any reason to bring back the Orion Babes..... I'm in. !!! I would really like to see one of their characters as a main series. Their "History" makes me think there are a lot of story possibilities. I'm old enough to have enjoyed the ST series from the beginning. The movies and series that followed clearly showed the directors, writers and the studios didn't really care about continuity. I realized I would have to give up worrying about it if I were to have peace of mind enough to continue enjoying ST. I confess I haven't liked a lot of the spin off series or whatever the Hard Core fans call them. My most confused moment that still bothers me is. .. Cloaking.. I think the Romulins or Klingons were the first to develop it in the original series and it was secret and later Outlawed??!! But now everyone is using it even pre Kirk ST ??? You may have that figured out ...but not me.

So you didn't find the 'lost episode' only an already known about theorised plot for an episode that may or may not have been in production. But still an interesting premise which could even have lead to saving Trip.

Never heard about it, but would be cool if it were true, maybe it can be confirmed one day with an interview with Rick Berman?

There is no reason for an older Phlox to show up in Star Trek Strange new worlds doing a variation of the story. Denobulans can live over 100 - 200 years. The end of Phlox's service on Enterprise (NX-01) and the beginning of Star Trek Strange new worlds is only 100 years. Perhaps his great age is a variable causing the temporal perception. Strange new worlds is pursuing a variant of the divergent time line idea.

I think a problem with star trek is that there are a large set of writers (Roddenberry included) who don't understand that you have to set limits on character's abilities to set interesting and believeable drama. They tend towards a utopian aesthetic and ideal which would burn itself out very shortly if taken to its logical conclusion. They always have to have starfleet be the unerring perfect good guys adhering to perfect impossible morals, and simultaneously have them be super geniuses who can figure out everything. This naturally beggars the question as to why there's any realistic competition with them at all given they should easily be above everyone else technologically, and all too often leads to asinine story lines where after a half hour the engineer solves the problem with a deus ex machina technobabble solution, and absurdly illogical and frustrating plot contrivances like the prime directive and the treaty of Algeron where starfleet has to limited by bizarre agreements and ethics to explain away why the big brains at starfleet can't deliver a technological edge. It also leads to the type of plot holes like this or why the other utopian plot lines like why the Organians disappeared after they shot their "we're holier than thou, we're more enlightened and advanced than you, and war is for primitives" load. This is why DS9 was easily the best written of the series, as it brought a little more, not just realism, but believability to the story.

The problem with this is they would have made such an episode is that than all the fans who just knew ST:Enterprise would might have fell betrayed like phlox as well knowing that now so much things they saw on screen for years now turned to be just parts of an alternate yet destroyed timeline. So they would have made one side of the Fandom happy for the price of making the other half confused or even irritated. So better to just do nothing

They way you assemble the footage and explain the story I feel like I actually got to watch the lost episode!! Love you videos.

The mysterious shadow guy was Archer in the future....

With deep fake technology, perhaps one day we will get a season 5, maybe the technology will mature to the point where it becomes close to trivial to make seasons that never existed before, with "actors" that have aged out of the role, or even passed away.

It would've been a good episode and having I do love a good Phlox episode. But I think there's a wider issue surrounding disordered continuity in Star Trek which seems underdiscussed. Of course continuity errors have been around since the very first season of TOS, and ever since the very first scene in TMP it was obvious that massive retcons were always on the table. So it's nothing new. But since Voyager ended in 2001 *nine* out of 14 seasons of Trek across five shows and three out of four movies have been prequels of some kind (with the remainder all highly referential to earlier releases). It feels like a franchise absolutely determined to muddle up its own continuity. The generation of unanswerable timeline questions is easily outpacing any theoretical means to explain them away without making it seem like consequences are meaningless.

@Mark_LaCroix

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I agree that Trek really seemed to be doing a lot of prequels "in a row," but that's somewhat of a coincidence. When it entered pre-production, Discovery was meant to be an anthology show taking place at snapshots across all of Trek history and into its future. It was retooled because they didn't want to hire a new cast and build new sets every year. Also, your numbers are off. It's 7/15 seasons (not 9/14) since 2001, unless you're counting Lower Decks and Prodigy as prequels to Picard, which is silly. That's just under half, but if we're just counting 2017+ productions, it's a much lower ratio (3/11). The only thing being made now that you could really describe as a prequel is Strange New Worlds.

@TheMattastic

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@@Mark_LaCroix I've heard that about Discovery before. Is it confirmed anywhere official? It's certainly a shame we never got that, since it would've been really great. I'm not sure my numbers are off. Four seasons of Enterprise, four of Disco, one of SNW. That's nine. Versus two of Picard and (at the time) three of Lower Decks for a total of fourteen (I did forget about Progidy, mind). Even so, I stand by my argument.

@Mark_LaCroix

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@@TheMattastic Only two seasons of Disco are a prequel.

This is a great story. I just has one flaw: Jonathan Archer saves the day. Everyday. EVERYDAY! Flox episode? Archer is a surgeon. Trip episode? Archer is an engineer. Every. Freaking. Time. So, sadly this story could never come to the screen.

@RickReasonnz

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Is there a suicide mission? Johnathan Archer, reporting for duty!

This is melting my brain 👍🏼

Honestly, the existence of time travel alone, especially the Temporal Cold War, makes me really not bothered by minor continuity errors. We don't know everything that happens in this fictional universe and it's easy to imagine that these inconsistencies are the result of time travel meddling. Then again there's always that Unicron Singularity, that thing technically explains all plot inconsistencies across all of fiction.

@maxhax367

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Unicron singularity? All I'm getting from google is some transformers crap

@BoisegangGaming

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@@maxhax367 essentially the Unicron Singularity was the concept that a being, in this case, the monster planet / dark lord Unicron, exists in all universes of the transformers continuity at once. There was only ever one, regardless of how many forms it took, and its destruction caused a massive, massive singularity that endangered the galaxy. Not sure how it translates to star trek, but my guess is that it's kind of a schrodinger's Canon approach where broad strokes similar to the events of previous series could have happened before Enterprise existed, even if it's not the same as the show.

@shawnleeguku

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@@maxhax367 it is, and it's really stupid, but at the end of Transformers: Energon Unicron is destroyed and it creates a black hole that threatens the whole universe in the following series, Transformers: Cybertron. It also messes with the timeline because that series shows the Transformers arriving on Earth for the first time, despite them having been there for years in the last two series (this is because Cybertron wasn't a sequel to Energon in Japan, but was rewritten to be one in the English dub). Supplemental materials say that this affected the entire multiverse and effectively explains any continuity problems in anything ever. Not to mention Star Trek has crossed over with Transformers in the IDW comics, so in SOME sense, the two series share a multiverse.

@irregularassassin6380

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@@shawnleeguku Semi-related, but the fan-theory that the Transformers were the ones that created V'Ger is kinda cool. I was chatting with a Transformers fan friend of mine, and realised that their "Universal Greeting" would be something that Starfleet scientists would go absolutely bananas over. Imagine how it could potentially revolutionize the Universal Translator...

@shawnleeguku

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@@irregularassassin6380 that's an interesting idea. They say V'Ger was modified by a planet full of machine people, could have easily been Cybertron.

7:20 -ish re Denobulan brain structure, there's also the things that attacked Archer's brain that were outside the time stream?

3:11 commercial bre… **ad plays** …ak.

This made me super nostalgic for some reason

Well, as long as the story is good, that's what most important. I don't mind small changes in continuity.

I would rather have them have a freak accident and Phlox simply got hit by some Chroniton stuff which then paired with his different brain would build up over time and cause some of his brain cells to become... out of synch and stretch into the parallel timeline where the things such as those mentioned here happened. It of course confuses him only little at first. It's small details that he seems to remember incorrectly. But over the episode he uncoveres more and more of it, then resulting in them investigating this curiosity.

You know, it could also explain the entire mess of STO's timeline there. The Iconian War and the added mess of the temporal cold war could explain a LOT there...plus the Iconian/Tholian timeline

@captainfrank5962

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STO isn't canon so it can basically do whatever.

I've always considered Enterprise to be it's own temporal universe. An episode (or two) retconning all the previous seasons, while being a hell of an episode, would of been a horrible idea. Perhaps instead we could of gotten a what-if season at the end, exploring the prime timelines NX-01. Afterall didn't Daniels tell us it was meant to be destroyed in season 1 or 2?

@captainfrank5962

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I don't recall Daniels saying any such thing, and that would actually just render the timeline even more confusing. Cannonically, the NX-01 from Enterprise is the prime timeline version. Continuity errors (and I find them exaggerated, personally) just have to be ignored. It's fiction. Inconsistencies are going to crop up, like it or not, especially when it's not being done all by the same person. Sometimes, spinning a convoluted in universe reason for them just confuses things further and draws more attention to it.

I liked enterprise. I wish they kept it going. Although after the temporal cold wars it didnt have me quite as gripped as I once was.

Only four seasons of Enterprise? Am I the only one that remembers seasons five through nine?

I'm glad to see all the Phlox love on here! I'm a big fan of Phlox. He's a big, smart, lovable oddball lol. Thank you for bringing this excellent episode pitch to my knowledge! Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)

There body make up is why he did not get assimilated in that one episode with the Borg.

Maybe this might get released eventually. Via comics or books. I hope comics tbh because Enterprise hasn't had a Comic series yet.

I have to admit i have messed with time lines and cause many Mandela effects. Inckuding saving Mandela yes I went back to 1980 and saved Mandela. There are others but i will keep them to myself

@snikrepak

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Shhhhh don't tell em about it! By the way, I got your m&Ms you left on the table, good thing we didn't forget it!

@YesTHATJohnSmith

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I BELIEVE that I remember your rescuing of Mr. M back in '80, but due to the timeline reset, I can NEVER be CERTAIN. 😂

well done Tyler. 👏

@OrangeRiver

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Thanks Daniel!

I'm pretty sure there was an episode in season 1 of Enterprise when it first aired where the ship is taken over by some aliens with colorful heads who ultimately turn out to be human space pirates. But after watching all the episodes, the episode doesn't exist anymore There is an episode where Suliban Cabal tries to take over the ship but no episode with human space pirates trying to take over the ship in Enterprise ​

I have not heard of the proposed episode as I'm not old enough to have interacted with Web 1 forums, however I have seen the phlox time travel Idea mentioned on reddit once or twice so I'd imagine that's where the posters ideas came from?

The more I rewatch enterprise and the more I watch videos like this that ir makes me even more angry and sad that it was cancelled. While I agree seasons 1 & 2 were episodic and a little rubbish at times, i feel like it really found its footing in season 3 and was at it's finest in season 4. Growing up with trek in the late 90's and being used to 7 seasons of mostly 24-26 episodes, it was hard when it got canned in its prime.

Never heard of it, but that would have been incredible. 😢

Am I the only one who likes the kelvin timeline but hates discovery and everything that followed that dumpster fire?

great video but why is that it is never mentioned that NX-01 was meant to explode in the episode Cold Front? Daniels tells Archer that Silik interfered by preventing the Enterprise from exploding.

Storm Front, that's where they have a bunch of clips at the end? If that's the episode I'm thinking of than yes I think it's a reset of the timeline meant to correct issues from the temporal cold war. And all past events line up with the original series. The only nit pick I have with that is the phasers should have become hand lasers.

@nathanieldaiken1064

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I believe they were hand lasers. They only used the name "phase pistol". Just like the only had " scanners" instead of tricorders.

@indetigersscifireview4360

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@@nathanieldaiken1064true they were called phase pistols, except in the episode Strange New World when T'Pol, reverting to the Vulcan language, says phaser. So maybe something in between hand laser and 23rd century phasers. Still, in the original pilot The Cage they were using lasers.

@pathevermore3683

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I always assumed "phaser" was just a natural streamlining of language. Al'a world wide web to internet to net.

@nathanieldaiken1064

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@Path Evermore streamlining of language. "Laser" is also a streamline: Light Amplification by Stimulated Emissions of Radiation.

Reminds me of the TNG Worf episode, moving between different realities...

@littlestone1541

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That's one of my fave TNG episodes

I don't want to Deep dive into the subject of Mandela effect however this is what I and other people feel like at certain times. However it feels almost like fate or destiny that Star Trek which is inspired so much science fiction into fact would cover a topic which even the most fantastic imagination could never have thought to become reality.

We needed mor Dr Phlox he was a great character

Such an eppisode would make me willing to watch Enterprise and enjoy it a ton more.

The Doc is having a Mandela Effect experience.

I would have thought that Phlox being singled out we be due to his menagerie. One of his little pets protected him Also, my head cannon is Phlox body was a menagerie, just as his office was

Very nice, that would have wrapped it up nicely.

Sweet!

how many drama stings do you want? Yes..

When Enterprise was in danger of getting axed. I panicked cause it’s Star Trek and we cannot allow that to happen. But when it got really good and Manny Coto outdid himself as head writer and Season 4 would be it. I felt like both assaulted and scarred. Yeah, the ratings was at a all time low and Paramount was losing Millions. I guess the future in reruns and DVD/Blu-Ray just didn’t matter.

The death knell of any good story arc. 1. Evil twin plot. The mirror Universe is just the Evil Twin plot on steroids. 2. The Musical. Any episode where the actor(s) branch off to that aspect of their talent, that pushed them into acting and not music. 3. Time Travel. Alternate timelines, etc... Just lazy writing and an excuse to see aliens in funny outfits and to save some money by recycling old, cheesy propose and costumes. It's not impossible per se, to salvage something good out of these tropes. ...but damn near impossible. Yesterday's Enterprise was saved by Patrick Stewart, mostly. And I would consider it the exception.

you did include it in your season 5 episode, I remember it....

@OrangeRiver

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*Gasp* the timeline's fracturing!