maybe some of the stats/skills are negative for goalscoring - if he has wild denfesive skills - maybe he works more in defence

@TomFM

2 жыл бұрын

That's a really good point I hadn't thought of!

@garisonhayne668

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomFM You might also want to consider the lack of player traits. A lot of them influence the desire to strike on the net. "Takes Long shots" and "Hits first time shots" would dramatically improve his shots/minute. Also, some of the personality modifiers use to be better at 1 and not 20, Injury Proneness for example. Controversy determines "feisty" behaviors to managers. Not sure if high levels is a positive thing or if its inverted. A more mid line value on Sportsmanship might allow the player to take some.... graceful advantages.... when the opportunity arises. High Loyalty might force the player to stay at the club, even though he is not really suited for that clubs play style. I have a feeling that a players "approach to the game" might have a larger influence on outcomes, PROVIDED they have the stats to back up their approach, AND the tactics allow them to execute their approach properly.

@077carl

Жыл бұрын

I did this with a custom tactic and he got 108 goals in a season 🤣🤣

@laszlobandi6456

Жыл бұрын

​@@garisonhayne668 yeah, i played long ago, and there was a guy randomly generated? or just really high roll. his stats were 12-14 in most offensive stuff, so like 60%ish, maybe 2 things above 18. but he had 5-6 skills, and he was a super beast, easily best player each game. also, psychological traits? havent played lately but it was a thing, that he reacts differently to different instructions and coaches and events, so morale might depend on it. one time i had a few real life guys, old fm, like 2006, i had signed Corluka and Modric from Zagreb, and a national league guy who was in real life signed, they all had traits, and was able to teach them to youngsters, i had a 16 yo central def, who was generated in my academy, he had 4-5 traits from 2 guys, scoring from corners mainly, then i trained a right midfielder into both full back positions and focused him on speed and stamina, Milan snatched him for 24 mill, then a few attackers into running behind defense. I even had a guy from second league, who scored 31-35 there, with only 10 pace and maximum jump and header, and he was doing the same for me, better than best strikers around. kinda like a Bergkamp, as my other guy was 20 off the ball 18 pace and decent other stats, as my 'Henry' in that formation.

@garisonhayne668

Жыл бұрын

@@laszlobandi6456 I use a lot of mentorship programs. I sign old players with low overall potential but great mental stats ( Enjoys big games, high consistency), and some key traits, like long shots and uses outside foot. They typically can be signed for very cheap long term contracts, with very low play times. This is likely do to high injury rates during their career , or some similar issue like existing at a poor club. As a mentor, things like injury proneness are a mute point. I set these gentlemen into mentoring groups of 3, and I bring up all my star-lings from the under 18s. The young ones go into these groups, typically 3 in each. Beyond being in this mentorship program, the oldies do absolutely NOTHING else. They are only there to sway my young players and transfer traits. So, my young players spend the next year chilling with the oldies, subbing in the main team, and generally building relationships with the squad.If you pick your mentors correctly, the typical outcome is a high increase in determination, and teamwork. You can get a spike in consistency and "enjoys big games" which is essential for full potential realization. They are likely to garnish a trait or two as well. By the time these younglings are ready for full first team activity, they will already have gained the traits and relationships you need to integrate them.

"Interesting that he has stayed at Liverpool all these years!" You gave him 20 in Loyalty! 20 in Loyalty is Maldini/Gerrard/Totti level Loyalty!

This went exactly how I thought it would go. You didnt create the perfect goal scorer, you created the perfect footballer, he would have likely contributed in other areas, tracking back and playmaking for his club, whilst being the main man at international level. You made Wayne Rooney!

@cklambo

2 жыл бұрын

Yep including the rooney aggression

@onose10000

Жыл бұрын

Rooney IS the perfect footballer

@mrman2415

Жыл бұрын

@@onose10000 fat and mentally handicapped? Sounds more like the perfect gamer

Because he's good at everything, maybe he's been played at other positions? If so, that's explains why he didn't score as much as we wanted.

@TomFM

2 жыл бұрын

You could be spot on actually!

@spocktheelder2835

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomFM goosd thing he didn't sign for Man City under Pep.. he would be an Inverted wing Back CM sweeper keeper with the stats Tom FM has

@yeahhbuddy3932

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomFM another thing is the manager he plays under. They will use him in whatever style that manager wants. Not always the role thats gonna get the most goals.

I did this myself out of curiosity but only gave 20 attributes to the key stats for an advanced forward. 60-70 goals a season easy.

Its pretty obvious. The fact that his crossings, corners, tackling, etc. shows that he is being used in more ways than just a goalscorer.

Since you gave him 20 to everything there are some negative ones as well like injury proeness, aggression, temperament etc

@edubvb5193

2 жыл бұрын

exactly, but 20 temperament is good i think

@lconnerz100

2 жыл бұрын

20 aggression is also good.

@edubvb5193

2 жыл бұрын

@@lconnerz100 with 1 dirty play yes

@ScottTrolls

Жыл бұрын

Controversy is pretty bad

@laszlobandi6456

Жыл бұрын

@@lconnerz100 with the injury proeness no, agression and bravery is good for beefy dmc, but might get him in trouble unless custom tactics.

Just spotted you won 8 ballon D'ors not 6 Tom..... also injury proneness, aggression etc were turned up to 20. May have cancelled out a couple of the other attributes ? Especially last minute situations etc- only a thought, loved the video, keep up the good work!

@TomFM

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yeah, injuries would have been rife! Something to think about for future experiments.

@adrian225

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomFM having dirtiniess and controversy set high in the hidden attributes also isn't exactly the best thing to have for a good player. Those stats are considered "good", when their value is as low as possible.

Tom could you do something like make the perfect back 4? Have them all the same nationality and they all start at the same club. Would be really interesting to see if they ended up together again or if they are a massive factor in a country winning an international tournament

@TomFM

2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE this idea! Thanks!

The Ballon D'Or is given to players who win trophies, so Tom wouldn't have won it in the years that Liverpool didn't win the League or CL, probably. You never checked to see where Liverpool were playing him. He might have been in midfield. I think you had controversy turned to 20 and maybe injury proneness since he missed some games. I think he'd fair far better next time if you decide to run it again. It was an entertaining video though and you could make a series out of it. Doing goalkeepers, full backs, centre backs, etc.

I always love experiments like this, when Jenkaldo did this he found that having 20 loyalty means they'll never move on to another club and would explain why he stayed at Boston for 2 seasons for no reason.

@laszlobandi6456

Жыл бұрын

should of been 1 as Ibrahimovic :D kay, cnat complain her got back to Milan, but probably he was only after money for several years.

Definitely one thing you could check on is where Liverpool is playing him. He's listed as ST/AM(C) so maybe they've got a "better" striker they play up top and use TomFM as the midfield creator. Also, no surprise his bravery dropped, that's pretty typical after major injuries.

Neat Experiment Tom. I am so surprised at how low the Goals was for Club but Country was absolutely phenomenal tho.

Learned absolutely nothing, and absolutely loved it anyway! Missed loads watching the Depp trial so catching up now ❤️

I would say that probably it's partly true that it may be random. But I also think that he isn't that much better than the best players in the world. Not that all his attributes are 60 while others only have 20, he is on somewhat close level with those players and then it comes to tactics. Anyway, a nice video, quite enjoyed it, Tom :)

Not every stat being 20 is good for a player, that's the reason. What I found best is having good mentals (not aggression), finishing stats and speed and strenght. Having 20 at just those does wonders. Also controversy should be 1, not 20, it's opposite, teamwork also should be lower, since you want striker to be the one scoring. EDITED: Just saw you have frozen attributes, those do not work as it should, especially when everything is 20 and it should be like 300 CA, it's like worse then having just solid stats for position player plays.

Would be great to see a perfect front 3 Tom. Appropriate stats given for a striker and 2 inside forwards. Put them somewhere like Villa or Leicester.

So: 1. By being good at corners and free kicks he may have been taking more set pieces crossing etc and long range efforts than being in the box scoring. 2. By being good at long throws, he may have ended up taking throw-ins rather than being in attacking positions. 3. Long Shots & Flair will result in more shots taken, which can result in worldies, but can also waste opportunities. 4. Dribbling & Flair will result in more runs with the ball than necessarily being on the receiving end. 5. Vision & Flair combines for more complex passing, so again creating chances for other players rather than scoring himself. Onto the ultimate issues - if so much money is spent on him, can Liverpool afford other players. Early FM games used to have issues with great players pricing themselves out of club football with their demands, or killing teams who couldn't financially support their squads. Would be interesting to see where he scored his international goals, like did he have a 15 goal outing vs San Marino.

In which positions has he played though. Because he has all 20, maybe he wasn't only playing as a ST!

@denizyuksel5093

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it show up on the positions as at least red if he was being played anywhere else though? (He seems to have been played as an attacking midfielder a bit, so maybe you are correct)

@adrian225

2 жыл бұрын

it would show the positions AT LEAST in red (if they were closer to green, then it means he got better in that position, indicating he was most likely played in that position a lot) He was played as a ST, in very few games as an attacking midfielder, so no, we can't explain his lack of goals by him not being played as a ST

I believe club performance is also correlated to Ballon D'or trophy. But no idea why so few goals...

I’m gonna assume the goal tallies were down because he had erling haaland as a strike partner for Liverpool

@TomFM

2 жыл бұрын

I think you're spot on!

If you could check see where he was being played in liverpool's system he might have been trained to be a midfielder by the manager

Just meansbecause he's a striker he's prolly not given defensive duties or told not to drop deep. So he's relying on everybody behind him to create chances, win the ball back, etc.

I've always wondered if reputation played a role for the Ballon d'Or winner. Like if Mbappé was putting this kind of stats with Real Madrid but with only 1000 of reputation, would he still win it?

I would like to see you do this again but only giving 20 on the attributes needed for goal scoring

Pretty weird. Once I just gave Messi a 200/200 CA (he was around 182 CA), not even perfect 20, but he managed averages of 8.3+ in the PL, and PotM every match even if he doesn't score. his passes were enough to give him a 9 every match without scoring. Maybe it's related to player traits?

there might need to be a part 2, gave him too much loyalty and if he was in Klopp style Liverpool he might've been playing false nine with Salah still being prioritised as goalscorer. A club with a more orthodox number 9 would surely give us the real sauce

Whenever someone makes a save like this, the players won't be called up for the national team til they're like 17/18, no matter if it's bloody Solomon Islands or what not. I think there's something about that with the AI of the game.

You should only max attacking attributes and physicals, of course, he is probably being played at a support duty and helping defense like mad

0:35 "if can actually overcome those two powerhouses in real life" I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Bravery, stamina and a few other stats are forced down even with freeze attributes when the player has a horrific injury that puts him out for months. Also having 20 injury proneness, dirtiness and controversy surely doesn't help :P

Gives player 20 loyalty “bizzar he is still at Liverpool” XD

you took everything 20, but injury pronenes should be 1, controversy 1, temperament 1, etc. those are negative traits that will affect the output.

Make a perfect team so then we can see which position is most important for a team to function. Could even have a perfect manager with the team

His positions were ST and AMC Liverpool were probably using him as an attacking midfielder England as a striker

the player can play at any position so the manages can play him even in the defense and he may not get that much goal

Giving a player 20 injury proneness and wondering why they are playing so few games every year is truly an unsolvable conundrum.^^

Maybe a perfect physicals vs perfect mentals comparison?

What’s happened to vamos to the top?

I put mbappe in the vanarama north and he got 109 goals and 24 assists😂 I also changed my favorite player (geertruida) a right back from feyenoord to a cam and gave him 20 in everything and he got 74 goals and 70 assists. Just in one season time😳 (yeah I know it’s a low tier league but still)

nice video

Tom playing with Haaland is like Benzema playing with Ronaldo

If you change the pace to under 15 you have early 90s Romário

Would like to see you do a fm22 hoffenheim save, now that’s my save would love to see what you do with the team

The Perfect National side. With each player has multiple positions. Like Goalkeeper, Both left & right full/wingback/midfider. Left/right full/wingback/Centre back & Defensive mid. Centre back & defensive mid. Utility defence. Both left/right wingback midfielder/winger. Both left/right wingback midfielder winger defensive/Centre & attacking midfielder. Defensive/Centre & attacking Midfielder. Utility midfielder. Both left/right winger attacking midfielder/striker. Left & right winger attacking midfielder/Striker. Utility players. Each of these Players start save aged 15/16 all perfect. All players played both footed.

Definitely should have reduced all the defensive stats to barely anything and maybe even things like team work, to potentially make him more selfish. Even stats like 20 corners and long throws probably mean he's taking them rather than being in the box to score. Things like positioning too are flagged up on FM as defensive stats, so maybe that factors into movement. An all 20 players is probably best suited to CM. Interesting video, though. I'd be keen to see how it would go if you were to make the changes suggested in the comments, or even try a perfect 20 in CM.

His off the ball stat was 16 throughout the entire save

@ukrobochips8817

2 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when you train at Boston for two years! :D

@TomFM

2 жыл бұрын

Incredible 😂

Should've a greediness level high or teamwork on 10. So he would score more goals

I'd be looking at the Liverpool tactics or what position they're playing him. If he's got perfect attributes they could really put him anywhere on the pitch. Even if he doesn't have injuries, if Liverpool have an injury crisis they might resort to moving him around.

@kenanmujkic1555

5 ай бұрын

He almost exclusively played as a striker you can see it on the position graph on the left throughout the entire video

You made him perfectly controversial too, besides other bad hidden traits 😅

3:28 is that a quadruple for Liverpool

I did the same thing with a player and he retired at the age of 40 with 800+ games with 1100+ goals. Don't know how

I almost bet that he was only playing as a striker in the england national team, he probably played all arround the pitch in liverpool

How do u simulate the years so quickly?

Thought it was a goalkeeper. Then u was disappointed with him scoring 30goals as a goalkeeper xD

This is why you teach player traits

When is Vamos back

If you want be prefect try change this attribute 1. Controversy - 1 2. Dirtiest - 1 3. Injury Proneness - 1

The problem with Tom FM is that since he's the best at everything then he will attempt to try and do everything on the pitch. He might give up goal scoring chances to help make plays for his teammates. He might be too tired at the end of games because his coach will ask him to be the tip of the spear on the press. He might be asked to drop back down a lot more to support his defense. Its part of the algorhythm, specialiized players tend to get better stats in whatever theyre specialty os because thats what the coach expects of them. However if that player is literally the BEST at every single attribute then he will always be the coach's first choice to work in a role. This of course will affect the players stamina because they will be relied upon way too much in games to do a little of everything.

@willmorris197

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with all of this there’s so much more to it than wacking a load of stats on a player. Harry Kane is a real life example for this where he’s so good at everything that a lot of his time is spent doing everything else not just trying to stick it in the net. Also the team around him is going to make a huge difference the fact Liverpool only won 4 premier leagues in around 20 seasons with this guy in the team would strongly suggest that actually they didn’t always have the best players around him. Little bit much at the end to say ‘oh everything’s just random numbers and people have little effect on the out come’ when there’s so much context not even begun to be explored.

@laszlobandi6456

Жыл бұрын

yeah, also there arent players like that. even messi had like 5-7 in def stats. also there were a few presets on the spider, and i got used to looking at that to figure out his style. like the creative amc, the slow deep laying midfielder, the fast wing backs, etc. they were also perfect a what they do and overall wasnt too high attributes

@kenanmujkic1555

5 ай бұрын

He won't attempt to do everything, he will do what his role description is (exm. Advanced foward = move into channels, dribble more, get further foward), just because he has 20 tackling doesnt mean he will go running around the pitch tackling everybody if he's playing as a striker, he will stay in his position doing striker things

Need to give him juiced traits

Did you edit his hidden stats? Consistency and what not?

man has the most goals at World Cups

In the season of 2032 and 2033 Haaland he played as an attacking right midfielder and still in 2032 he had more goals than TomFm 🙈

I'm almost certain it's because his passing is unreal he passes more. maybe try perfect player but put passing on 10

@kenanmujkic1555

5 ай бұрын

He would pass more only if his player instruction said so not because he has good passing, so no thats factually incorect

Of course he stayed at Liverpool. You gave him 20 loyalty!

Something somethig blue lock is real

how do you create a player?

We want the universitad and the cup libertadores

What if Haaland only won more ballon d'ors because he had FM creating so much for him? The awards aren't given to the best players, they're given to the best statistical performers, I think. And they need to playing at top level, he couldn't have won when at Boston.

Make a perfect xi and put them in non-league and and see whaty would happen to them

Off the ball was set to 16

It’s uncanny!

🐐

that's why i stopped playing it pretty much, seemed random loads of the time, very hard to enjoy that really, maybe the way some of the stats work you needed to put a 1 instead of a 20, so for controversy, and pressure, make him less aggressive so he gives less free kicks away?

You are as good as your teammates

Maybe he puts his boots on the wrong feet.

Well, something I learnt from this video is injuries not only impact bravery but also off the ball movement, which looks logical after all. Also, it looks like Tom FM was playing as AM as he was accomplished in that position. Maybe Liverpool played him behind Håland after all, and not in a strike partnership.

Did he develop any traits? Because I found those mean a lot, more than stats. Also I am guessing he missed a lot of games due to injuries and possibly red cards. And due to his stats he might have been playing while still slightly injured, lowering performance. At least I found that 1 aggression, controversy and injury proneness was better than 20.

Imagine being the best player of all time and wasting your entire career at Liverpool.

you probably should’ve not given him 20 injury prone stat, he was probably injured a fuck tonne ahahahaha

Your players stats went down when he went to liverpool

5:42 mans scored 8 goals in only 3 matches as england crashed out after the group stages. you gotta give him some credit 6:25 also the balon d'or isn't solely about goals. mbappe had a higher average rating. and he probably carried those madrid/france teams to more titles, like the champions league, euros, world cup which your guy didn't do

@CronoXpono

Жыл бұрын

Oh jesus is the higher match rating a thing still? LOL I'm using an older fm (laptop limitations) and it's amazing to see it still influences awards. You can score 70 goals in a season and lose the Ballon D'or to someone who got a .09 better rating :D

nice

Ballon dor isn’t a top goal scorer award

20 loyalty make him stay with Liverpool the whole time

Haaland also joined Liverpool so he probably didn’t play striker

Sounds like a Nigerian dad😂

If you have all the hidden attitudes as 20 he may not actually be the best player due to dirtiness etc

Off the ball was 16

Do this again but only give him top striker stats. Dont give him high defensive stats. Or corners an long throws etc. Also give him some good traits.

@kenanmujkic1555

5 ай бұрын

Why would high defensive stats hamper his ability to at least have one premier league season with 30+ goals as a striker playing in Liverpool. He is after all the perfect striker.

@yeahhbuddy3932

5 ай бұрын

​@@kenanmujkic1555this is an old post. But remember the AI is in control here. The ai might be putting them on corners all the time or even sometimes using them in deeper positions because everything is maxed out. If you just have the basics maxed put for striker the AI will not start putting them on random stuff. Like he wont get put on corners if you made it low level. As an example. Probably get more goals this way. I can give you real life examples of excellent forwards who get played in deeper positions for the benefit of the whole team.

why is he only a 16 off the ball

He needed to go to a big club Liverpool too small

not all should be set to 20, for e.g. controversy (that would be bad) there are more.

Needs player traits

Real problem is you didn't put player traits as striker

Lower contraversy,

Bravery went to 18 because of an injury (lose a 50/50 get a long term injury don't want to get into more 50/50s) and I presume off the ball also went down to 16 from injuries? Also yeah don't put controversy, Injury proneness and aggression to 20 (also high Sportsmanship can very rarely harm your team). I think the biggest things that harmed him was probably him being on and off injured, his 16 off the ball (off the ball at super high levels is super good in my experience), being shoe horned into probably a pressing forward and not being the main man up front or the main playmaker and finally maybe traits were a problem. That all said if you look at his second season for boson @ 0:51 you see that he only has a 86 percent pass completion ratio which I can't understand why with 20 in everything he would be passing that badly

@yaboykirby7789

2 жыл бұрын

Also he almost never comes off the bench when you click on individual seasons which idk if that means the club is being super cautious with his injuries or super well not cautious Also he has 20 loyalty so he will never leave and accept pretty mediocre contracts probably as long he's playing for a club that's winning things (ambition 20)

It's not perfect; you set the negative stats like controversy to 20 as well. Also if he has 20 in set pieces he will not score of corners and deep/wide freekicks. All in all the experiment is flawed...

If Harlaand was at Liverpool too in game. Then it will make him the prominent goal scorer Edit: Never mind you've clicked lol

Sounds like real life. Amazing young talent at a non league club gets signed by a premier league club for next to nothing XD. It's not even worth having a youth academy that low because all the good players you develop will go for tiny transfer fees so the top clubs can hoover up all the talent.