FOR DETAILS OF THE CAR AND MY SETUP PLEASE CHECK THE VIDEO DESCRIPTION

Hallo Nico Respekt wie Du das Auto abgefangen hast ! Weiterhin gute Fahrt und danke für Deine Videos 👍🏻

You’re very calm and nicely talented, great to see that!! But please, try to keep your hands in the same position on steering while turning. It will help you to be more precise in corners. Whish you great season!

It's always impressive to see a Model 3 performance go so fast.

@baustronaut1390

25 күн бұрын

Trash car

Glad to see you are safe with only a little damage. Really good and honest analysis of the crash from start to finish. Hope to see you on track sometime !!

@baustronaut1390

25 күн бұрын

But we don‘t want Teslas on a race track.

Your reactions were perfect. The car was just so twitchy coming back onto traction and going the other way. Great recovery man, i would never expect it to go left right left right so quickly.

Gut reagiert und auch ein kleines bisschen Glück gehabt. Das hätte auch ganz anders enden können. Das Schlimmste bei einem größeren Schaden wären die aktuellen Lieferzeiten für ein neues Model 3. Ich hätte mein Model 3 auf jeden Fall auch behalten! :)

@baustronaut1390

25 күн бұрын

Ich nicht

Great effort for damage limitation at least! Nice drive. Glad to see that damage was minimal - I have the same spec car (before mods), it’s nice to see what it is capable of.

@baustronaut1390

25 күн бұрын

Yeah, capable of crashing

Just happy that you caught the car in general. It could have been much worse. Good analysis of your own performance/mistake. But I think there is more to learn here: I have seen other cars passing that curve using the curb. In my view your top speed wasn’t the main mistake but a different approach into the compression and a short break afterwards could have saved that outbreak. But as I am not experienced in using the curb at the top i cannot say whether to use it or not. Good luck Niko! 🍀 Cheers & see you soon!

you are truly skilful, i have a model 3 and driving that thing hard takes ba**s around the corners, i dont have a performance model, i only have a long range but still , at that speed you were doing and the reflexes you had were astonishing , i love watching teslas go fast on the track .

Bist fix unterwegs! Respekt 💪🏻

Sometimes you need luck... My M3P got T-Boned. Three months old - everything done/tuned as i wanted it, and then standing at a t crossing one car hit another and this one "flew" into my driverside. Lucky that no one got hurt, but now i'm still waiting for my car to be repaired. Hope that after four weeks i get it back, only to wait another one because the complete wrap has to be redone again...

Wow Niko, I’m glad you are safe. Take care!

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!

@commuterbranchline8132

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikoontrack1173 You were pushing very very hard on that lap, exceeding Model S Plaid entry speeds too! That’s crazy man!😂

5.24min Interessant. Mit dem Aufprall den er erkannt haben muss, hat der Tesla Instant den Trackmodus verlassen und die Seiten/Rückfahrkameras eingeblendet. Nette Details die einem Sicherheit geben können um den Überblick zu behalten. Es kann ja bei so einem Unfall ja auch mal ein Rückspiegel verloren gehen. Und im Shock ist alles hilfreich was einem das Auto selber anbietet statt selber drauf zu kommen was man noch so machen kann.

I guess it's just the "magic" of awd once you get off the throttle in a bump turn there is engine braking going on 4 wheels wich will unsettle the rear in extreme cases with alot of speed . People says it's safer with awd especially in cases like this then rwd and maybe for beginners that's the case who don't push to the extreme but as a pretty skilled driver my self who push way beyond then most people, i'd say the opposite is true, awd can be really tricky and in my opinion plain dancerous on enginebraking and tends to oversteer violently while turning. From what i can tell your steering input was on point and i can't see somebody else doing it better unless they had already preditcted for sure it was going to step out and even then i am not sure they would manage that better Happy you didn't wreck car lucky you 😬 Take care

228 down foxhole? jesus dude i didn't even know the 3 could do that LOL

Hi niko ich habe mich schon gefragt ob du siese Saison schon gefahren bist. Jetzt mit Kw und anderem radsatz direkt abzufliegen ist natürlich ärgerlich aber du bist auch brutal unterwegs. Hast du nochmal sehr gut angefangen. Die Kampfspuren würde ich auch erstmal so lassen. Weiterhin viel Spaß und ich bin schob gespannt was du noch aus dem Auto raus holen kannst. Gruß Sandro

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Danke dir Sandro!

Happy to see that it turned out to be a minor accident. I wanna ask, as an owner myself, what setting would you recommend for canyon driving? I’m currently using 70-30 split for the rear and -8 on traction control. I wonder if you think it is worth it to experiment with -9, -10 or if it’s too dangerous for road use.

Respekt wie du den noch gefangen hast. Hätte dir wirklich gegönnt, dass du die Leitplanke nicht touchiert hättest! :D

you are crazy, great save!

Respekt vor dem Fahrkönnen in der Situation.👍🏻 Habe förmlich mitgeschwitzt

Great catch you did there! Could have been much worse. What are your KW v3 settings at this point?

Vorbildlich👍🏻

Appreciate the learning highlight as vital inputs as these build our experience levels. Hope the feedback reached to move the center of gravity forwards for reducing the rear swing out CG shifting forward will also help moving from neutral steer to slight understeer as normal ICE sedans are designed to be safer

Hab mich schon gewundert wo die Videos bleiben. Echt gut abgefangen und schlimmeres verhindert. Sag mal, welche KW V3 Version hast du? Die Inox Variante mit den Federn die oben dicker sind? Poltert das Fahrwerk bei dir in Alltag?

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, danke dir! Ja, es ist die ältere die Poltert wenn die Zugstufe nicht zu ist, also ja :-)

that saving was already the best

@nikoontrack1173

Жыл бұрын

thanks mate!

Hey Niko, good job saving that as much as you could. I had a similar moment at similar speeds at Mosport (CTMP) in Canada in turn 8. My Model 3 is also on KW suspension and other parts from Mountainpass Performance. May I ask what track app you’re using? And also phone mount. Looks really sturdy and I’m struggling to find a good one.

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, it is a "quad lock case" as phone mount and the app/ laptimer is called "harrys laptimer"! You also made to catch it on Mosport? Didn´t found a video on your channel, or was it off camera? Have a lot of fun with your M3P!

@silentmph

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikoontrack1173 Great thanks for the info Niko. I use Track Addict and I do have a video from that session but I don't really have a channel or post stuff on YT.

Hey Niko, you did a great job at preventing a much more serious crash. Glad you are safe! Looking at your setup I was wondering why you decided to go with a staggered setup instead of a squared setup? Thank you!

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, thank you. Thats mostly because of street legal issues in germany. I wanted to go as wide as legal in the rear and there are only little rims which are street legal here, but at least I plan to upgrade the front tires to 265 so I am closer to a squared setup. 275 allaround on 9,5x19" seems to be one of the best solutions for the M3P on track.

@rellixas

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikoontrack1173 what about squared 9,5x18" and with 275 tyres? isn't it even better than R19?

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

@@rellixas If you find a rim that fits over the brake calipers, than yes that should be even better!

@rellixas

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikoontrack1173 I already know the wheels, ordered them from US. They are: Weds TC105X 18x9.5 Do you know the best wheel alignment (camber set) setup for street/track?

Just battlescars. Happens when you want to unlock M3P's full performance. Great driving, kudos

Glad to see you are safe . Are you sure that your front tires aren't too little for the M3P on track ? you should probably get more grip on front with a squared setup as 275 or more , what's do you think ?

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Hey FB, you are totally right. 275 squared/ allaround would be better, but in germany it is very hard to get that approved if the wheel has no papers exactly for your specific car. So without street legal papers it would be easy. If you can, try to run 9,5" wide rim allaround with 275 tires front and rear on 18" or 19" for track.

@rudyyyxu

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikoontrack1173 can you just run on square setup for the Nurburgring? Or will they turn you away because your tire sizes don’t match the ones documented

As soon as you understand that there is not enough turning angle you have to switch strategy from "correcting oversteer" to "controlling slide". In this particular case it means: steer to the right lock, straighten slide, turnover.

echt interessant so einen Stuhl mal auf einer Rennstrecke zu sehen aber auch reichlich befremdlich :D aber echt cool umgesetzt, nur bei dem deutschen Akzent im Englisch hats mir etwas die Armhaare aufgestellt aber das könnte ich auch nicht besser ;) Gute Fahrt weiterhin!

Speed computer i could see was going crazy

I am curious about the bump and re-bump settings of the your kw v3 suspension

Sorry for the crash, you handled It well. Also, what happened to the white M3P you had?

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate. The white one is fine. Got a very good offer on it and sold it with new brakes and tires. Loved the car and colour but it was a pain to clean in comparison to the blue one.

4:50 I think that your reaction was PERFECT also the countersteering, but you was a little bit slow to align the steering wheel, not so easy in that situation

In my opinion, the mistake was dont use the trotle for regain rear grip and to centralize the steering wheel at the correct time, but this is only my opinion, pls dont crucifixe me.

@enzoracer5323

2 жыл бұрын

Try to learn drift, this help a lot to do successful saves.

What was the recuperation? Maybe if recuperation was in normal mode the rear axle would hold the back of the car on straight.

thanks for the video! you are one awesome driver! just polish it a bit with some spit and it will buff out just fine 🤣

Did you buy a lottery ticket that evening

Welches Setup fährst du beim KW V3?

Hello, What is the offset (ET) of your wheels ?

Schön grade über den Curb mit grader Lenkung wäre gewiss gut gegangen oder?

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Kann gut sein, ich fahre den Curb normal nicht, weil wenn man ihn nicht perfekt erwischt er unruhe reinbringen kann und es gab da ja auch schon den ein oder anderen Überschlag wegen des Curbs. Aber im nachhinein gesehen wäre ich besser drüber gefahren, so hab ich ihn ja auch verloren. Vielleicht taste ich mich an den Curb mal langsam von unten ran ;-)

To me it seems having that much speed and not taking the curb is the mistake imo. You have more steering input avoiding the curb combined with such speed seems more tricky, than taking the curb with less steering input. But i have no idea how much the curb unsettles the car. Can you test it again next time? xD

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe, yeah will try out the curb but not with so much speed ;-)

Was it my eyes or did I see fluid on the way into and out of that whole section? I wonder if taking the kerb having come off the power would have helped but we will never know!

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Richard, I think I know what you mean but I am not sure if this was coolant or an oil spill or just rubber. You refer to the right side of the track the darker line when entering the fox hole compression zone, right?

@Richard_Turner

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikoontrack1173 yes the streak running along the right

@HaloDude557

Ай бұрын

That's rubber

Does you drive this M3 for daily use?

EVs weight is advantageous on slow corners where they can fully charge their tyres but not on high speed bends where weight becomes a burden. All heavyweight vehicles like plaid or taycan hold on throttle on high speed turns, my guess is that you should too. The opposite happens with lightweight cars that excel on high speeds but having problems putting power down on slow cornering.

@romansenger2322

Жыл бұрын

Model 3 Performance weighs as much as a G80 M3 xdrive. They arwnt that heavy especially for beeing an EV. The new C63 AMG weighs over 300kg more.

@theredbaron7302

Жыл бұрын

@@romansenger2322 true, sportscar manufacturers have realised that they can use beneficially the extra weight from the drivetrain, brakes, turbocharger, etc. Nissan GTR was the first to go down that route successfully using excess fat.

Da hast du aber richtig glück gehabt das hätte auch ganz anders aussehen können. Ich habe jetzt auch ein model 3 P aber die Sitze sind meiner Meinung nicht für die Renstreche gemacht wegen dem schlechten Seitenhalt.

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Jörn, ja wenn das richtig schief gegangen wäre wär ich vermutlich noch Helikopter an dem Tag geflogen :-( Glück im Unglück gehabt! Ich geb dir mit den Sitzen recht, man hält sich dadurch sehr viel am Lenkrad fest und spannt die Bauchmuskulatur viel mehr an als es in ner Schale zB notwendig wäre. Nächstes mal etwas lupfen und mit weniger ambition und es sollte passen :-)

@baustronaut1390

25 күн бұрын

Ich würde einfach mal behaupten, dass das ganze Autos, außer der Antriebsstrang nicht für die Rennstrecke sind

U never tracked your tesla again anymore?

You need a rear wing. You are past the limits of mechanical grip.

Somehow the MP3 doesn't seem to be optimally tuned when I compare it with the KZread video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aWFtpappls3ZgM4.html They have street legal tires. The additional stiffening provided by the roll bar is of course a plus but not everything. The boards falling over edges is really hard. But MP3 behaves very well. A friend of mine drives hill climbs and setting up the chassis correctly requires a lot of knowledge of what reinforcements in the chassis have to be prepared in advance. The recuperation on the rear axle can turn the entire driving behavior on its head. He would take that out completely! So my friend his MP3 has all sorts of reinforcement parts available (available in Germany), KW suspension and Tesla racing brakes as well. Drive the same tires as in the video. But it looks different than yours, similar to the video.

Best German accent ever🎉

Physik läßt sich nicht austricksen, auch nicht mit nem richtigen Fahrwerk und guten Reifen. Aber zum Glück ging es glimpflich aus.

I doubt that was gps speed...

I think you're overcompensating, it’s a common mistake. We have all bine there… :) (Maybe not in over 200kph)

Gigantisch gut abgefangen!!!

Alfa romeo giulia quadrifoglio...the only sports sedan

Ces voitures ne sont pas faites pour la piste...

wait wait wait you pay to drive on Nürburgring and you are responsible of any damage and you pay for it ?? this seems not fair

@nikoontrack1173

Жыл бұрын

Hey Mr.President, yes that is correct. On Tourist drives you are responsible for any demage to the track but your insurance would cover it in most of the cases (other than the demage on your car). On some race events like RCN that is not the case as the entry fee includes track damage and towing. Often qualifications are labled as a trackday and then you need to pay it yourself instead.

Mega abgefangen 🫡👌👌👌

3:24

KEIN PLASTIKMÜLL AUF DER NORDSCHLEIFE!

The track is designed for real cars not lame rc toys

Oversteer. EVs are heavy and it is like having 4 big adults in your car. It affects traction and balance of your car. Needs to pay extra attention getting into a corner. The powerful motor makes people forget about this.

Jede Menge Sondermüll 👍🏼

ｐｒｏｍｏｓｍ

not much you can do with a 2Ton car....

very bad apex 👎

Bei diesem hin und her gerutsche und untersteuern ist es nur ne Frage der Zeit bis der elektro Müll abfliegt glücklicherweise keine Personen Schäden

@lane0mator

2 жыл бұрын

Bitte einfach den Mund halten wenn man nur pöbeln kann. Danke.

@arminmaier

2 жыл бұрын

@@lane0mator geh die Welt retten wenn keine Kritik ertragen kannst

@lane0mator

2 жыл бұрын

@@arminmaier Kritik? Pöbelei ist keine Kritik 😂

@romansenger2322

2 жыл бұрын

Den Petrolhead findet man irgendwie unter allen Tesla Videos. Seinen geistigen Dünnpfiff musste ich schon mal ertragen.

@arminmaier

2 жыл бұрын

@@romansenger2322 Geistigen Dünnpfiff hast du wohl mehr als ich wenn du denkst du würdest was gutes für die Umwelt tun indem du für elektromüll namens Tesla Geld bezahlst Was laberst du den für ein scheiß das war das erste mal das ich über solche dreckskisten ein Kommentar abgegeben habe

Es tut weh, Dein Englisch zu hören.

I hope you learned your lesson. EVs were meant to be driven fast in a straight line. Leave race tracks to ICE cars.

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

Hey K P. No I didn´t, I will continue. In my opinion this has nothing to do with EV vs ICE. On the contrary the low center of gravity helped me out a lot to prevent worse. I had similar issues (loose rear) with my ICE cars and race Karts previously when pushing too hard. I just love both EV and ICE and would be very happy if both communites hold together because in the end both just want to go fast and have fun.

@KP-xi4bj

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikoontrack1173 EVs in their current state are just too heavy for the tracks. Guess what is the fastest production car on the Nurburgring? Hint: it's an ICE car.

@nikoontrack1173

2 жыл бұрын

@@KP-xi4bj You are right on the weight issue, but thats more like a general issue on newer cars as nearly all of them are becoming heavier. For example an actual AWD BMW M3 G80 weights 1805 kg, my Model 3 Performance is 1850 kg. So I too like light cars as my 85kg Race Kart with 45 horsepower but the Model 3 is not much heavier than an acutal BMW M3 or an Nissan GTR but for sure has better weight distribution and center of gravity. And the fastest car ever (non production car of course) on the Nordschleife was a hybrid car (919 evo), so maybe the connection of both world is right now the best as Formula 1 uses this too. And yes regarding ICE production cars, the 911 GT2RS MR is a beast, love it too ;-)

@KP-xi4bj

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikoontrack1173 Weight is the enemy of performance/handling. Is it no surprise then that the 911 GT2 RS weighs about 3,200 lbs and is the fastest production car on Nurburgring? Hint: big NO.

@romansenger2322

2 жыл бұрын

@@KP-xi4bj model 3 weighs just about as much as an M3 xdrive. Look up what a C63s or a RS5 weighs. What are you even talking about? The Tesla is exceptionally light for an EV.

Much too fast to come up on that specific hill. I often lose time being too conservative and slowing there, because it’s the place I’m most prone to accident. Glad you’re safe