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Mike, blink 3 times if there is someone pointing a gun at you?

@SaltEMike

2 ай бұрын

Nah man, they gotta make the tech, and how the hell do we get there without it being messy...we just need the game to be made too...which ill never stop arguing for that

@The_Geezus

2 ай бұрын

@@SaltEMike I actually agree; And like you alluded too, anyone who has ever built anything from a design document or 'user story' or problem statement will understand that there will be pain points and issues that won't be - can't be - discovered until things are tested by a wide number of users. Its just a part of building anything that hasn't been built before. Architects and civil engineers still find themselves getting surprised sometimes when they build with new ideas they can only do so much math at their designs before they have to accept the risk and build the thing.

@CitizenScott

2 ай бұрын

@@SaltEMikeI hear you, but I been rewatching all the old SC vids from the very beginning, and brother they’re still saying the same exact things now.

@eric.c.bullock

2 ай бұрын

I agree; what did you do with the real Mike?

@rayfighter

2 ай бұрын

​@@The_Geezuswell, as I'm sure you know, architect has this responsibility to build a thing where people will be in, so if it failed... as a result, we play it ultra safe. And yes, very boring and mediocre compared to the initial ideas 😁. This project however, I've backed (actually with my colleague an architect too in Jan 2013), because it's crazy ambitious, and because its philosophy is not to shortcut, not to cheat, not a smoke and mirrors, not an infantile "go to the huge flashing green icon to grab a bonus", not an insultingly stupid "put two wood sticks together with one sulfur rock to 'craft' a box of safety matches", not a disney 2D cartoon graphics... you get an idea. I'm actually constantly surprised how successful these CIG guys are at steam rolling all the insane challenges which others either deemed impossible, like Derek "smart" (rofl remember that condom?) or wouldn't touch with a long stick, like Todd Howard.

I've been playing less hours because honestly there isn't a reason to play. No sense of real progression. No goals to strive for. Nothing to explore, the system is stale and static. Outpost are only good for one time sight seeing. Missions are shallow and repetitive. The only reason to play is to get aUEC and buy/upgrade ships you want to fly. Then comes a wipe, rinse and repeat. It gets old. No drive to pay anymore. Earn credits to fly ships I've already flown for hundreds of hours only for the sake of flying them again?

@tb3063

2 ай бұрын

Agree 100%, I backed in 2012 and stayed heavy on the development for years and then faded as new games released. I came back in 2018 and was surprised at the changes and played for about 3 years pretty hardcore even though the game was still buggy as hell. I took some time off and come back every 6 months or so to check out major updates, but 3.18 killed my desire to tolerate the hot mess of development. Too many broken promises and not enough progress. I was getting excited for 3.23 but it feels like it is going to be another 3.18 launch and I just don't want to do it again. Pyro has been promised and re-promised so many times over the last 6 years that there is no trust anymore. I was 38 when they did the kickstarter and now that I am in my early 50s, I hope that the game I have paid $1000s to play actually releases before I have moved on to the other realm. That used to be a joke, but it is losing humor with every passing year that they promise milestones and break them. I feel like Starfield really pushed CIG to focus on getting Squadron out the door sooner, but when STarfied flopped they fell backwards again. Now they are throwing around talk of 1.0. WTF?

@BeeeeEssss

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I have been like this as well, until I got into a pretty sweet org recently. Now i am inclined to play a bit more just for the social aspect.

@Trigix11

2 ай бұрын

Empty game, they play with us....just pay for another ship

@h_a_g_zv_i_r_t_u_a_l17

2 ай бұрын

ty for the honest review so I won't waste my time

@Weeddrunken

2 ай бұрын

Exactly how a lot of us feel! Remember the statement of Carl Jones (Chief Operating Officer at CIG in 2022) that Star Citizen will be ready in 2027 at the latest... My guess is, that he was somehow absolutely honest with us and I (we) will see a kinda "none-early-access" immersive space-sim with "at least 100 star systems", called 'Star Citizen', not any second earlier. PS: Regardless I still believe not in Christ, but in Chris. xD

RSI marketing department - lets paywall the PTU! RSI Developers - Why is no one playing the PTU?

@Defanos

2 ай бұрын

hahaha. Only part of the problem but this is the tldr.

@SaltEMike

2 ай бұрын

Surprised Pickachu

@fabilord98

2 ай бұрын

Because you need to start a 3h research in order to understand if ptu or eptu is the most recent patch..

@henrythornes9723

2 ай бұрын

seems like even with it fully open not many play it

@crawlie

2 ай бұрын

@@fabilord98 Not sure if you're aware, but the patch notes state which channel it's on at the top every time.

The problem CIG creates for itself is that it markets the game like a finished product with fancy hyped up trailers etc and then tells us to not expect too much and treat the game like the development platform it actually is. Those two conflicting messages both coming from the same company (albeit different departments) is what pisses people off and creates disappointments…

@slandshark

2 ай бұрын

I've been saying that for YEARS now. Post that on the subreddit and you'll obliterated. Star Citizen is misleading.

@janisbanis2

2 ай бұрын

@@slandshark Scam citizen is right name....

@matthewlogan4616

Ай бұрын

sick and fooking tired of the CGI vids of s**t that isn't actually in the game or is and is so broken it doesn't function without killing you and wasting hours of play...over promising and under-delivering is the absolute worst sales approach...it's over, and people STILL believe..STILL lol just wow

@chrisclark6705

Ай бұрын

@@slandsharkI can relate. I didnt even know it was an alpha before i got it lol

@chrisclark6705

Ай бұрын

Personally I dont mind if we are approaching a new 3.18 chaos update so long as they tell us. That was I can properly temper my expectations and excitement and not be disappointed. If they are like “Ok guys, 4.0 is coming out next week. Its a little rough but we will continue to etc etc etc” thats way better than “Here is 4.0! Enjoy!!” and the launcher is like “You are position 1243098 in the queue”

Been following development since 2014 and pledged my for Aurora LN and SQ42 package. No idea how many hours I've put into the game at all it's various stages. The promise of SC got me into PC gaming. The promise of SC got me into HOTAS, HOSAS, Tobii Eye tracking and various other devices. I would never consider myself a great gamer in SC. My PvP and dog-fighting skills are embarrassing but I don't really care. I want to fly space ships and everything that goes along with that. But after a decade of waiting and way too much money spent on the game and the hardware to play it, I'm tired. I'm not giving CIG anymore money aside from a select few paints, cause let's face it, we're never getting paint hex codes cause the paints on the store are too profitable. Waiting for SC to be finished, or even just stable, Chris and CIG have taught me one thing over the years. To believe it when I see it. I don't get hyped anymore. I'm kinda interested in 3.23, but only just. I do appreciate what they have done and what they are trying to do, but until they get server meshing (or whatever they are calling it this year, or next year) working, then they don't have a game. It's SOMEthing, but it's not a game. And if the Alpha is taking this long how long will it be in beta? Hopefully not another 10+ years.

@Lerium

2 ай бұрын

💯

@CouchCit

2 ай бұрын

Ditto

@CitizenScott

2 ай бұрын

Don't be hasty

@thecancermen245

2 ай бұрын

>I'm not giving CIG anymore money aside from a select few paints, cause let's face it, we're never getting paint hex codes cause the paints on the store are too profitable. Maybe they wouldn't be so profitable if you stopped buying them...

@omg-vert

2 ай бұрын

@@thecancermen245I've only bought a few, and none recently. And I think I mostly used store credit so...

They can't let this go on another 5-10 years, people aren't going to stick around. I really hope this year really brings the GAME forward.

@themike97_58

2 ай бұрын

I think a lot of tech is going to come this year, but I'm not sure how much gameplay material is going to be added until squadron 42 is fully released and some time has passed to absorb the bumps that come along with releasing a huge game like that.

@slimemanee

2 ай бұрын

More or less gonna take 3/5 years

@kodyhalo2

2 ай бұрын

yes they will. lol you may pretend you wont... but you will.

@LtsGoBrandonGaming

2 ай бұрын

It’s more of a tv show than a game… tune in weekly for updates! Plus all the KZreadrs that make more than 1 a week all about an alpha game that’s older than some of our kids in middle school and still ain’t developed…

@shurikenv

2 ай бұрын

I will but that's because I see to many games get cut short on development and come out before they should. I'm hoping this may help change that no matter how long it takes.

14 years and still in alpha with very little actual gameplay. Bought a Merchantman 4 years ago and they still have yet to introduce a game market system that could make the thing actually function. I'm 63 and am having serious doubts as to whether I'll see this game release in a good way before I pass away.

@TTOOS

Ай бұрын

The scam worked then!!!

@lqg4395

Ай бұрын

If you're 63, why did you buy a merchantman? That's an obscene amount of money for a gameplay loop that will likely be added last. Like you picked the 2nd worst ship you could have bought.

@The1stDukeDroklar

Ай бұрын

@@lqg4395 Back then it was not that highly priced compared to other large ships. It also gave you a caterpillar loner until release. Thought it would be about a year.

@brownboy534

Ай бұрын

​@@lqg4395 Game was supposed to be released like 6 years ago so he would have been 57. Gotta put that in perspective

@CHEESYhairyGASH

Ай бұрын

1.0 release coming in Q4 2045.

CIG are indeed lucky in the community of players and backers they have. BUT THEY SHOULD NOT ALWAYS BANK ON IT!! And they are in danger of becoming complacent about taking responsibility for some of the decisions they make.

@mbg4681

2 ай бұрын

How much slower do they have to be for you to consider them already complacent?

@pikaskew

Ай бұрын

Ultimately the end result is all that matters. We may complain but we rarely remember the issues that get fixed, we do remember the things that are left unaddressed. For CIG, change works more in their favor than being overly cautious….even if that change comes with some temporary pain points

Chris said something during CitizenCon last year that has really stuck with me. He mentioned that the new database they bought for 3.18.0 & PES did not integrate with the PU the way they had anticipated & were 'sold' by the DB vendor. And he at least implied that all of the massive headache we suffered with 3.18.0 was because of that problem with the new db vendor. He also mentioned that they were still considering switching to a new DB vendor, one that works better out-of-the-box vs continuing to crowbar this one with help from the vendor. I don't know why they didn't make more of this than they did. If i'm right, this takes a lot of heat off CIG for how 3.18.0 went and the game becoming literally unplayable. I'd also like to know where they are with this situation. I would rather wait another year & have them completely switch to a new database from a different vendor that works FAR better out-of-the-box with the PU than keep trying to crowbar/bend this one to work the way they need it to. The new DB has been a disaster from day one. Inventory (even after a full wipe) takes forever to load properly & match pictures to the items. And this is with a new inventory & not that many items. When we have base building/crafting in the game & we have exponentially larger inventories, how is this current DB going to handle that? I'm very concerned.

@grygaming5519

Ай бұрын

Think its because most people will not understand, no matter how simple you make it out to be.

@timothyt.82

13 күн бұрын

CIG: "Our database vendor is not very good, so they have issues getting your data for your game." Vender: *deletes data*

I don't give a shit about the game being a buggy mess in an alpha, as long as they are constantly AND RAPIDLY shoving out updates to actually turn this into a MMO game. And it is many years from that, as long as they keep being so damn slow to get content out.

@ShadyLurker16

Ай бұрын

It's NEVER going to be an MMO lol.

@papadross

Ай бұрын

@@ShadyLurker16 Massive Multiplayer Online game. That's exactly what it will be.

@ShadyLurker16

Ай бұрын

@@papadross Keep dreaming.

It's crazy to me that after they restructured the PTU waves they're still not getting the desired player count and testing done. I was in Evocati since the beginning, but lost access due to inactivity over the last couple years. I'm also a concierge member... But I still didn't get access to PTU till maybe a week ago. With 3.23, I would have been in on day one testing, but since the patch is so close to live at this point, I don't really feel the need to download the PTU now. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat.

@CallmeRoth

2 ай бұрын

The game is in Alpha and borderline tech demo. The fact there is even a test server is absurd. The "game" we have now IS the test.

@vebi1978

2 ай бұрын

What i dont get - i read somewhere some waves are about gametime - i spent a shitload of gametime in 3.22 and the patch before (i grinded myself the reputations and made around 100 mil - almost have every ship (sadly lol))... and they put me in the last wave of backers. Is it really only money spent ? Even on this i think i spent more then 200 dollars so far... so i was not able to test things because of this and i had the time some weeks ago for it.

@CouchCit

2 ай бұрын

Screw them, full stop. I'm concierge, have backed this game for well over $1000 AND helped get probably a few hundred gamers to play this game more comfortably with their gamepads...I used to have immediate PTU and EPTU access until their greedy changes and now I had to wait until wave 4.

It's so obvious how badly the devs want what we want. Show me a more passionate and driven crew. That's all I need to see to stay on board and believe in the projects (well...and progress ofc). They're candid about their setbacks, excited about their milestones, and confident they can achieve their goals as long as many of us help with testing and feedback. It's a symbiotic relationship, and there's no way around it.

@BigGomer

2 ай бұрын

most devs on most games are pretty chill people who just want to make a cool game but gamers scream and yell at them for decisions made by higher ups

@LtsGoBrandonGaming

2 ай бұрын

They want the same thing i want, my money

@Formulka

2 ай бұрын

The devs are not symbiotes, they are parasites.

@captainharlock3998

2 ай бұрын

Most developer are just as passionate about their game. The only people ruining games are the game's communities themselves, shrieking like banshees at the first inconvenience.

@sennemaa5976

2 ай бұрын

Yeah but its a very CIG driven friendship wich is like here is you carott follow the carrot and spend your soul out of your body an then shut up.

I totally get the frustration. However there a couple of things I disagree: 1) 3.23 with the latest patches is not either unstable or unresponsive. Actually I found it more stable, less buggy, and overall better perfomance in almost every aspect than 3.22. Even the NPC AI, both ships and fps react better with lower server fps. I understand that some previous patches were very, very rough but the latest ones seem pretty good in almost every aspect, not perfect, but definitely playable. 2) I understand that after so many years everybody are always less and less patient, at the end of the day we don't wanna be 90 years old when play the full game. However, in all the years that we may have been impatient or mad about the development, this is the one that seems harder for me to feel that way. 3.23 is a massive step forward, if you take your time to check all the mission you'll see that it's the first time we're seeing even older missions now working (research one, for example). NPCs AI on derelicts and planetside. NPCs AI in caves as well as fauna. They're literally trying to bring all the new and older content alike to a "minimum standard level" where every mission is relatevely playable and they even expandend on some old missions like bounties that now have NPC AIs not only in bunkers but also on other POI planet locations. Also, replication layer.. It's the first time a major tech is working relatevely well already. Server crashes (while quite rare already in 3.23, I only had ONE in 3 days of gameplay), works very well and it's solving a major issue. The next patch is most likely 4.0 with server meshing.. we're almost there. After server meshing, they'll don't have any major tech to add so if many months after 4.0 we'll still have slow content and buggy stuff all over the place then I'd agree with you. But let's just wait for this last tech.. now that we've arrived so far, let's wait just a little bit more and let's see how the game shapes after server meshing. We can't be mad right before the end, right before the latest tech that will finally bring server fps beyond 15-20 and that it should finally make Star Citizen works as it always should have been. I know, every year seems like "THE year" of Star Citizen. But I think that everybody knows here that this year is different for real. SQ42 is almost here, with a release date announced at Citizencon almost likely. Server Meshing is almost here, and I bet we'll have it already by Citizencon as well. This is not the time to be pessimistic, on the contrary I feel like there's never been a better time to jump in, play more (thanks to 3.23 improvements), and feel excited about 4.0 and what's coming next. I hope it make sense..

I was VP for a SaaS development team and PO for our flagship offering. Our DEV team was super passionate. I mean these guys and gals put their heart into the product. Our executive stakeholders buried us.

I was in for the ride. I held the line, but now... I just stopped playing altogether. I'll comeback when something worth it will be added, or when the game starts feeling worth playing. Right now, 2.23 offers nothing interesting. 4.0 offers only one new system, I'll see what is supposed to come with 1.0, then what gets gutted from it and what remains in the patch, maybe then the game will be ok-ish. I've just had my fill of alpha experience, and don't see why I should play anymore when most of the time, I log in, spawn my ship, choose a mission, fly to it and just log out because there is no point in doing anything right now.

@sennemaa5976

2 ай бұрын

💯 agree

@supermario10033

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. That's why i dont understand why peiple are so hyped about new ships being released, the game is still the same. There is a huge lack of gameplay and i think maybe if community is more hyped about new gameplays instead of new ships, maybe it will motivate CIG to relase more about this side of the game. Id love to see reputation gameplay, socials, quality of life that improve your sessions (3.23 did a great job for that), all of this stuff

@TheWildSlayer

2 ай бұрын

Yeah... Unless there's a tangible difference in gameplay quality there is no real reason to come back. I've put the game on and off the last 10 years on a bi-yearly basis, and so far all I've noticed as very incremental improvements. Nothing worth describing as a vision being finished. I'm planning on cutting that down all the way to the bigger 4.X, 5.X patches etc because I'm done believing in features.

Rough patch and open developers: Okay. Rough patch but sugarcoating: nay. So yeah, happy to hear that CIG is trying to stand into the difficult moments openly.

My approach to SC lately has been to simply not play it when I’m not having fun. I’ll come back to it occasionally and I hope they pull it off. But the development roller coaster ride isn’t worth it to me. Too many great games out right now.

@8tracked

2 ай бұрын

You’re on point. Lots of other great games to play. Part of building a channel around a game in a very long development is patience and it seems like a lot of times content creators rage so hard b/c of lack of content and not learning to ebb and flow with the content they are getting. It’s frustrating, but the less time I spend in a buggy game the less pissed I am and check in whenever something cool comes along. I say, let them build the game, it will arrive, and I’ll be ready.

@w00f72

2 ай бұрын

@@8tracked yeah I feel for those who are making their living off coving this game. It’s gonna be tough.

Killed it. My buddy always says this is a "Game" vs it actually being a game, because of the lack of care taken to the longstanding issues while they add in things which make the experience more challenging. He's of the mind that losing your sheilds just to go fast is a bad idea. I can't agree with them entirely, but I get their frustration. They're not a PTU tester, they play the LIVE experience, and nothing more, and don't want to hear about "Whats coming" or what the devs are working on. He's just concerned with what we have NOW, and that's simply not enough. So... In the end, you're right, the experience suffers due to the tech. How many Delivery Missions have you completed recently without failure? The same issues that have been in the game since the introduction of systems keep failing left and right, and it's a matter of time before they add some "Major tech" into the game that breaks something like mining, or salvage, an important chain of missions, or markers you need to complete them. QoL is great... But where is the focus on improving the foundations of the game? New missions are cool, but what happens when they are no longer playable due to a laundry list of issues swept under the rug? We want a functioning experience, and a lot of people don't think that Meshing is going to fix everything. The AI, maybe ~ but I have my own doubts. They be back to the drawing board *once again* to rework AI from the ground up, throwing their current tech into SQ42, and the bits that actually work at scale into the PU, all to work on the parts that don't for another 5-10 years. I don't think they're communicating quite enough with confidence that their hunches that the game will function is the game actually functioning. I know it'll take time, and it won't happen overnight ~ but this has been a really, really long overnight. Edit: Morph JUST released a video, and basically... Yeah, that.

My story with Star Citizen is a bumpy ride, i discovered it just a few years ago and started playing around 2 or 3 years ago on and off. After playing a lot of space and flight sim related games i started watching videos about Star Citizen to see what else was there on the gaming market, and the schere scale and possibilities of this game caught my attention... Then I slowly started discovering about the game's past (mainly with yours and Ollie's videos) and all the insights of the development and the one thing that resonated for me from the already established community for this game was hope. I love to think what this can become, I love to listen to Mike's videos and his brainstorming. It's been more than 2 years in this community but I still feel new, I feel like I can't argue much with all the stuff that you guys say about the game and upcoming updates for it. I can say one thing: the only thing holding me back from regularly playing the game was server performance, the only thing that was in any way annoying me was getting desync doring fights and stuff not responding (inventories, elevators, bots...). I was incredibly excited when I saw the Citizencon on server meshing and the story behind it. Everything else for me is just an evolution of the game. I don't mind a bad update, or a half baked one. Yes, we won't be able to fully experience the new things for a bit, but at least we are getting some actually interesting and in my opinion relevant stuff for the game to finally become complete at some point. We all know that a rush in gaming development is a bad idea, and I haven't experienced like most of you guys the years of waiting before all of this, but i hope. I feel like we are going somewhere and I can't wait to see the gradual improvements and growth of this game. I am excited for the next update, and the ones after it. This game is unique, and that's why I love it. Thanks everyone for keeping this game alive, and thanks Mike, Ollie and all the other Star Citizen creators for letting new players such as myself to get involved in this community and help understanding the game

SC is a Live Service Alpha. Making the game IS the game. Always been that way.

@cygnus6623

2 ай бұрын

Completely agree! Pay to play. The build is just past of the excitement.

@derjadebaum9159

2 ай бұрын

Yep its called Star Hangar for a reason. Who needs gameplay and content anyway 😆

@Avatar_andthe_Cat

2 ай бұрын

Reminded me of that Fairly Odd Parents episode 😂 “This IS the ride 🥳”

@sennemaa5976

2 ай бұрын

You naild it.

@CouchCit

2 ай бұрын

VGDASS: Video Game Development As A Service

My biggeat issue with CIG is that they themselves don't know what we, the customers/supporters/testers? are even supposed to be. The only thing they are sure of is that we need to be milked to pay their salaries.

@OneTomato

2 ай бұрын

Isn’t that with any existing game ? You need to pay the salaries of the developers, that’s why they make a game that cost money

@GUnit2214

2 ай бұрын

@@OneTomato Not with any existing game. You probably mean just mmo games.

watching from the beginning. when CIG was just 3 people and a demo video. to them having a huge dev team. and truly being one of if not the most open game development studios in the world. despite SC not being a game at all, the universe theyve built with stanton is still (albeit super buggy) insanely fun to explore and test. we, if cig stays true to vision, have the potential to co-create a game that could be the best ever made. The raw potential of this project has always excited me. Believe me i understand the anxiety, i too want a game that i can sink my days into, immersing myself in the space fantasy we all want. as for people like Mike and myself who have invested loads of time and energy into following this game and giving feedback, i wholeheartedly understand the frustration in seeing the amount of potential with this game, but ultimately all we have are our words and patience, remember to be kind, and to hold CIG to account without getting too worked up. in the end i want to sit back, and play the game we all worked hard for :) Mike thanks for the content

NONE of this matters, none! Until the NPCs stop standing on tables and chairs! They want immersion. Well, that’s killing immersion fix the simple things first

I'm glad you're being a tad more hopeful at the moment. I hope it lasts through the inevitable rough patches this year. There was an MMO that, according to some accounts, was started 10 years before it launched. A year before live release, they had a closed Alpha for selected people. It was buggy. It was prone to crashing. It was unfinished and had a lot of problems. In that last year, they changed race abilities, class abilities, replaced an entire talent system, changed all the character models, added new zones, revised most of them, and scrapped others. It was almost unrecognizable from the game it was a year before. That game was World of Warcraft. I'm not suggesting that SC is the new WoW. Rather, I like to use this example to show how much of a game becoming a game really happens in the last year. I know that can suck to hear. It can be hard to believe. And the toughest part of it all is that we won't know when the last year is until we're on the other side of it.

I understand your responsibility to your audience, but I don’t think you should hold back on sharing negative views because people don’t like hearing them. come to you and watch your videos because I respect your experience, involvement, and your opinions on this game.

More frustrating to me than the bugs are the features and tech that they tease as “almost done!” only to reveal that they haven’t even really started working on them yet.

@mbg4681

2 ай бұрын

Even better is when it's 80% complete and Chris Roberts "Squirrel!"s again, resetting progress to 0.

@Wylie288

Ай бұрын

Nearly all of it is not only not "almost done" but already in-game. Full server meshing is the only bit of tech that's been shown off not currently in the game. And the very next update integrates it.

@rolinthor

Ай бұрын

@@Wylie288 Dynamic server meshing, long range scanning mechanics, engineering, drones, the quantum economy, ship refining, resource consumption, base building, personal habs, armor, maelstrom, ship repair, spawning ship-in-ship, vehicle roles, bounties 2.0, passenger missions, 98 system (99 if you count Pyro, which isn’t actually here yet), and the decade-long ship backlog. There’s more, but I think this is enough to bring across the point.

I really appreciate that you put chapters in your video and even more so that you made a chapter for your sponsor. I normally just blast my fast forward button; if I wanted commercials, I wouldn't pay for youtube...., but I like that you took the time to make the chapter.

I came back from a long break the last time i played was 2020; and i quit because of the never ending sea of game stopping bugs, every mission was broken; or you'd come across unrelated bugs during the mission that stopped progress. And I've come back during 3.23 and it's just the same clusterfrag of progress preventing bugs; mission boxes don't spawn; mission boxes vanish; mission boxes get merged inside dead bodies; i spent an entire day trying to do mission boxes; without the bugs i would have made 0.5million; instead because of all the bugs i lost 100k. So i decided to instead try merc missions; corpses & their gear despawned; SCU boxes are broken; inventory is broken; so i tried mining; and out of 6 hours of renting a cutlass and roc to do mining i spent actually about 30 minutes of productive mining and just about paid for 80% of the cost of the rental; and one time my ROC blewup because there was a 10 second lag between me changing power setting and the game doing something about it; and the rock had blown up 10 seconds before i'd even known it was over heating. The best analogy i have for my baked in experience of star citizen is when hans gruber shouts "shoot the glass" and then John McClane has to run across the room barefoot.... that's how I'd summarize star citizen. So I'd say if CiG want me to drop $200 into the game for a ship; they better back that up by actually having an experience that isn't analogous to crawling through broken glass.

Being a part of the experience during the highs and lows is ultimately what keeps bringing me back to SC. We are literally involved in the development of the game. in 10-15 years time whenever the game is somewhat complete we'll look back on these moments and be like, yeah... I was there. Look where we are now? And that in itself is a pretty cool experience.

@doubledigital_

2 ай бұрын

lol i feel that way now :D

@andaquenogamer4156

2 ай бұрын

amen!

@jaykay5838

2 ай бұрын

WWIII begins in around November. We won't be playing any games in the future.

@mbg4681

2 ай бұрын

>> Being a part of the experience during the highs and lows is ultimately what keeps bringing me back to SC. And this self-gaslighting attitude is also what keeps CIG profitable despite a barely-nonzero pace of development and other forms of unethical corporate behaviour. Chris Roberts got in your head _but good._

@Barnes6083

2 ай бұрын

@@mbg4681Yeah, well that’s just like your opinion man. Some of us enjoy being a part of a development process. No one held a gun to my head when I pledged.

I remember that date 10-10-10, that beautiful rendered demo and signed up. Backed it when it went on KS. 14 years later, it still feels like a playable fancy tech demo.

The thing to hope for is that once S42 is finished, we'll finally get more fun playable content in SC. Whilst the tech is the same/similar, I imagine a lot of the staff you need for making interesting missions and giving players something to do in game have been mostly focused on S42.

My opinion may be biased because I only joined recently and haven't experienced 10 years as a backer, but I'm not a stranger to SC either and have been following the game's development for years. I think there a two things that are super important when it comes being able to enjoy Star Citizen and the journey towards 1.0. - First, you need to consider SC as an experience rather than just a promise. From the very beginning I started to follow this game's development, I knew that If I ever was to become a backer, I wouldn't buy the promise, but rather the experience, and that if the promise was all I was interested about, then It wouldn't be worth my time and money. That's why I didn't become a backer earlier and only joined in 2023, because I wanted to wait for the alpha to become a playable and enjoyable experience on its own. In other word, enjoy the alpha as if it was a live-service. Still, that does not mean building expectations for the alpha similar to the ones you would get for a fully-fledged live-service game. - That's my second point. You need to enjoy the experience as an "alpha live-service". This experience that we enjoy right now cannot be reduced to playing the alpha as a finished game and having fun in the verse. Part of this entire experience is also testing features and reporting issues, providing feedback and be part of that community, following the game's development and laughing at Jared's jokes and ultimately, experiencing the ups and downs of hype with the community. Each step towards 1.0 is part of that experience, and sometimes it can be a bit less fun, because the live environment is broken and unplayable, but those steps are necessary and in the broader picture, the alpha remains fun and engaging most of the time. All of this may probably seem evident or common sense for many of you reading this, but I feel that too many people don't seem to understand this as they become backers and get involved in Star Citizen. From the very moment you buy a pledge, you shouldn't be looking for a game to play, but rather for an experience to enjoy as you go along the game's development and make it evolve. 1.0 will be the true live-service and we shall look forward to it, but enjoy the present experience just as much, with all its ups and down, because ultimately, It's not the end that matters, but the journey !

@FuriousImp

2 ай бұрын

I'm exactly the same. Have been watching for years since they first announced the kickstarter actually and only just last year bought in with a single ship package. I love the experience so far. I've had tons of fun. Haven't played it since the announcement of 3.23 though. Just waiting for the new stuff. Hopefully this weekend or early next week! The problem is that most people who don't understand this nuance will also not have the patience to read your balanced and reasonable thoughts and take the time to think it through.

@MyN0N4M3

2 ай бұрын

This sounds all great, lets talk again in 10+ years. We all were pretty excited when we first joined (why else would we have joined?). A decade later we understand that nothing that CIG says mean anything. They can literally tell you (as they did), that XYZ is just around the corner and expected in a few months. And over half a decade later they are either still working on it without anything to report or they scrapped it and didnt tell you. This is the least transparent company ever. They just advertise their product. Transparency means you see everyhting, especially the things they dont want you to see. You only see what they want you to see. Remember that, because you are in for a very loong ride....

@mbg4681

2 ай бұрын

You just spent 5 paragraphs convincing yourself to enjoy SC. You don't need to be a 10-year malcontent to see the writing on the wall.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

2 ай бұрын

1. The "experience" is a coping mechanism. I'm sorry but if you have to go "don't think about the game, think about the experience" then you're just denying the fact that the experience should be extracted from the game, not witnessing a protracted development cycle. 2. Live-service has become a term that makes people roll their eyes. Yes, live services are not new in gaming, but describing an "experience" as live-service only brings in the memories of maarketing and corporate execs damaging games beyond repair. Did you see the recent Helldivers 2 controversy? Suddenly people were supposed to create and link a PSN account to their Steam account. Despite PSN not being officially supported in over 100 countries in the world. That's live service. You have two hours to refund a game (Steam) but corporations can change the terms of the deal after two months or two years. Live-service is fighting words. People hear them and grab the torches and pitchforks. The problem with Star Citizen is that honestly some of you people deserve CGI. They exist for you and you exist for them. And all we can do is watch as the gaming industry takes notes and figures out that MACROtransactions and unfinished games are profitable.

@ShadyLurker16

Ай бұрын

You opinion is irrelevant, you said it yourself, you just got here. You have no idea what your talking about. Your opinion will change after waiting 15+ year for the product you paid for.

There was so much hype last year at Citizencon. Made it seem like Pyro and S42 were only a few months away. So much of CIG in the last decade has been stringing players along implying stuff is 'almost done'

I do understand they need to put the patch on live servers to test it, but also i read original post on which Zyloh was reacting and according to that post its completely broken and even now this old map is working better than the new one, but what I liked before some CIG removed it was answer from some guy who just wrote down that this patch is happening just because Invictus and sales are coming and other decent company would postpone that patch by month to get it into atleast little bit playable game

I payed $45 for a ship, got the game, played since 3.17, have been happy from day one. I knew going in that the is was going to be rough since I bought in (a measly $45) to a game in alpha. I am a developer, so I know the time it takes and the hurdles that persistence, traveling seamlessly from anywhere to anywhere takes, because I know I wouldn't even know how to scratch the surface with that type of stuff. The challenges are monumental (with the coming vast economy, relication layer, server meshing, base building, space animals at the quality far higher than NMS) and are at the bleeding edge of tech with complete unknowns, and they are pulling it off. To take this theme even further, I am enjoying the changes, hurdles and the slight pain because it's like watching the biggest experiment. It's tantamount to watching other experiments in sciences, or watching the Starship (will it make it this time, sort of thing). It's awesome!

when i take a shit and come back i get kicked for inactivity so i log back in other server al my 10 hours work in game is gone.... why i cant spawn back in the same server with my ships...??? why i cant Quantum jump to my DEAD BODY.... Why they give u a dead body a marker if u are not allowed to get ur body back from the water... is SC digging there own grave deeper and deeper?

@danhtown1

2 ай бұрын

Yea that’s the worst, spend an hour getting ready to do nothing only to crash and have to claim everything and do it all over

@Soccerrockker6

2 ай бұрын

Lol how long are your shits? I can afk for like 30 mins and not get kicked out.

I want to see progress! I want to play - in the end thats what we all want is it not? We want to play a game that has been hipped for so so long. give us something to play and well that is what they are doing but ya so far it is just NOT enough but do we see hope on the horizon? We will have to see as this year is the year of Show us DON'T tell us!!!

Its a console compatibiltiy patch. Ive been in Eptu since wave 1 and noticed a very specific thing...this patch is to integrete controllers to get it ready for a console market. Great, more people but being at Citcon last year Ive not seen the progress they boosted about when I was there.

Next Step could be faster paced releases, ' if it's hard do it often' Once a feature is done get it to live. It's not always that simple but for every hurdle there is a solution. And after a while you got things in place so it gets easier. For the record. I'm a software developer. We do multiple releases each day of enterprise grade applications. I'm not saying it's easy. But it is possible.

So they subdivide the PTU so they can make some more money, and then don't get a critical mass of people on at one time... Sounds like a problem they made themselves.

@monty58

2 ай бұрын

The problem isn't the ptu waves. The PTU always has too little players when it goes to the wider audience, and people don't play in it more than dipping their feet in before going back to live.

@Podokodo23

2 ай бұрын

@Dracounguis ???? Since the day the ptu opened subs have always had first wave access. How do you not know this?

@Dracounguis

2 ай бұрын

@@Podokodo23 They changed how it worked recently. They made more tiers. AKA split up the player base even more. How do you not know this?

I find amazing how, after all this time, CIG can't figure out a way to make NPCs to at least stand on the floor, let alone walk naturally in the environments.

@mcweezybeast

2 ай бұрын

lol aged like milk considering the update that just dropped 3.23, fixed that

Welcome to the Break it Till you Make it club Mike. " shakes your hand " Nice to have you aboard :D

I love what SC can become, and im probably just waiting for the dream. I pick it up maybe once a patch and play. And i definitely understand where a lot of people are coming from. The want for it to come faster. I work in games, and i promise you from the other side we all want it to come faster as well. Its hard to not meet the expectations and wants. You have a lot of really valid points. I agree, and i really hope after the rough it will improve a lot. What i can say, as someone who doesnt play a lot and sees it only after the milestone. A lot has changed and improved, there are a lot more things for me to do, even as someone without a group to play with. And i keep being eager to see what they come up with. So my fingers are crossed, and i really appreciate your opinion. You put a lot of real thought into your approach and its very much needed.

It’s the year of SC Come on CIG, make my desk rise!

@mbg4681

2 ай бұрын

"Coming next year" since 2015!

SC has always been game development as a service, & pretty masterfully at that. As lucrative as that has proven to be for CIG, there's always needed to be a literal End Game, & it's coming into focus. The coming pains with a more fully implemented replication layer, and integration of the same with a properly scaled server meshing is the very foundation of that end product, and anyone who understands this project should be well aware of the necessity of playing / living through it for the sake of getting past this moment to another where devs can be more focused on breathing life and gameplay into this breathtaking sand box.

I am many dollars deep into supporting the project, but what keeps the hopium flowing in my veins really is the citcon demo of server meshing, and now seeing the replication layer in PTU. Prior to today, I don’t think we have had any solid evidence that what they are trying to do was even technologically feasible. We still aren’t all the way there yet- but we are way closer than I ever thought possible. Replication layer is the last major piece of core tech that literally defines existence for our characters in the verse. Finally removing all of the legacy Flash code (and that was dead tech even back in 2012) is the last (that we know of?) lingering bit of tech debt that makes the cost of adding new features prohibitive. I have only been around since 3.11, but this feels… better.

i mean, where can they do stress test other than live server(or PU if you want)

Completely agree with you on this one, especially if we are closr to reach important milestones and are able to see proper progress. You also said something that I think it's really important. This community can accept many mistakes from CIG like I never seen in another community before. If this will last forever I don't really know, but CIG should count their blessings and do their best for their community. (Just thinking about what happened to Helldivers 2).

@FlashBIOS

2 ай бұрын

I blame Jared and his team, in a good way, for much of this. He humanizes the process while making it transparent, and it is really hard to hate people when they are not faceless.

@Soccerrockker6

2 ай бұрын

​@@FlashBIOSmaybe use the word "credit" instead of "blame", which carries negative connotations😂

2:46 CIG love to claim that SC is an alpha, Unless you are trying to get a refund in UK court, then they claim that it’s a released live service game.

@SirIsaacMewtonIII

2 ай бұрын

that IS what scammers would say, isn't it? hrmm

@mbg4681

2 ай бұрын

Schrödinger's alpha

@OneTomato

2 ай бұрын

I don’t think they never explicitly said that the current SC is a “released live service game” You may have confuse it by the way the phrase it, but they always said that the game will be a live service game not that it is RIGHT NOW

@toyaht

2 ай бұрын

@@OneTomato in a court case last year CIGs legal team used this claim to justify not giving a refund. As far as I am aware it didn’t work.

I have an issue; they have an official Star Citizen store that sells the models that you can see behind Jared. But they're sold out, and they've said they are not making any more. And they've issued legal take down notices to anyone distrubuting 3D Print files. I want them to either renew the licence to make more, or let private 3D printers make ships.

Nice monsterch chair, the blue embroidered logo looks awesome. I wish I knew I could've customized my own before I ordered it years ago.

Firstly I wouldn't believe Zyloth words - I think they have the deadline because of marketing and they are sticking to it, everything else is secondary concern. That said, I don't think that sticking to a deadline is a bad thing - we had the situation where they would just delay a patch for a year and that wasn't good. Either way, I wouldn't read too much into Zyloth post. Secondly, SC is not an alpha. In an alpha you are making a skeleton of the game with rough implementations off the features that are enough to test the overall design. In 2.23 we got a new map but not the ability to share markers - ui improvements but still no basic multiplayer functionality. We got also the new looting screen - also polishing. MM - a yet another rewrite of the poor flight model at the same time where combat basically doesn't exist in PU outside of events and when it happens it surely not guided by the flight model. 2.23 is the polishing patch - it's not an alpha patch. Re: letter from the chairman and player counts - the last time he mentioned that, he mentioned how many unique yearly players only. And you can extrapolate yearly retention from the data in the letter - it's around 30%. So they don't have a lot of players - they have high influx but they also losing players very quickly. Inability to have a stable playerbase for stressing a patch after a week of issues matches that. Also we didn't have any player data this year, probably because there was nothing to brag about thanks to 3.18. It became worse

@Soccerrockker6

2 ай бұрын

Just because they're making previously implemented features better doesn't mean the whole game is in polishing (aka beta) phase. They're still building the rough and basic implementation of gameplay loops and features... which as you said, is alpha stage. To say the game is in beta while half the gameplay and features are missing is nonsensical. The way you describe alpha as a skeletal implementation to test game design is more akin to prototyping, a pre-alpha stage.

I gave them $5 during the very first kickstsrter when I was a young schmuck working a drive-thru. A decade later I'm still waiting for the game I backed, and glad I invested my money elsewhere since then, to much more lucrative effect.

@zzoko7693

2 ай бұрын

you contributed 5$ to a game so large in scale that it has never been attempted before, its like me throwing a few cents to homeless guy and acting like i ended world hunger

@EnDSchultz1

2 ай бұрын

​@@zzoko7693 I backed a project on Kickstarter in 2013, over a decade ago and I'm still waiting for the product I backed to be finished before I put more money into it. And I'm disappointed that after everything, I'm still waiting. What was your point supposed to be?

As 🥑 I have very little testing done in this patch. They pushed patches out when a big chunk of us is asleep, and when you can test, reports get drowned and archived because not enough contributions as everyone has their own way to describe a bug and you may not always use the right keywords, so all of the individual reports describing the same issue all get archived and it doea not get fixed until very late or in the next patch when everyone complains of an obvious issue and how evocati aren't doing their 'job'. It gets even worse with the extra waves as certain builds are NDA, but the bug still exists in wave 1-4 and none of these people know about the NDA issues etc. making even more duplicate reports. Then sone get aggressive when you flag new reports as duplicate of an older one or one they cannot see. Also, people have lives. We work, have families etc. We are not professional testers and QC engineers on their payroll doing this 8-10 hours as our full time jobs 😅

To be honest, cig needs to jock eve onlines cosmic anomaly. Little pockets of deadspace requiring a scan to locate. Some could be very small, like a series of habitation modules connected to agricultural pods like hyperbaric greenhouse domes. (Places to stock up on food or possibly manufacture medical supplies, and even drugs) Some could be larger like heavily fortified asteroid bases gaurded by 10-20 heavy turrets protecting bounty targets, or research facilities with ancient alien artifacts. They need to do something with the empty space and create emergent gameplay loops appealing to both solo players and large groups. Honestly in my opinion the biggest change they need to make right now is how quantum travel is essentially downtime, not gameplay. They are getting really close to introducing awesome content but unfortunately for me i still only see the potential of the games future not a game quite yet worth playing. I appreciate everyone that is working to refine this experience but im waiting for the day it goes beta.

@doubledigital_

2 ай бұрын

CR plays eve ;)

@MrTalithan

2 ай бұрын

Thats kind of what the exploration gameplay loop is going to be, buuuuuuuuut missing tech/higher priorities before that comes to be.

@kristopherjames2404

2 ай бұрын

@@MrTalithan IMHO if something of that caliber isn't in 4.0 somebody need to get the living hell slapped out of them. They are focusing on barebone functionality atm and I fully understand and appreciate that. But with the coming adjustments to the Starmap and its future tweaking something like this becomes even more possible. Not everything on that map should be a static physical location pinpointed by a search bar, "cosmic anomalies" might be closer then we could imagine.

You don't play Star Citizen. Star Citizen plays you.

@AaronAlso

2 ай бұрын

This is by far the most true statement in these comments. If anyone seriously thinks this is the only way you have been played. Anyone who thinks GIC will redeem themselves with 3.23; you have been played.

Game should've been instanced between planets/moon from the start until server meshing is ready.

So long as they can keep the rate of hotfixing pretty high in live when 3.23 comes out, I think itll be alright, definitely gonna feel some growing pains but I dont think itll be as bad as 3.18 was. 4.0 will be a bitch tho, theres almost no avoiding it.

I'm mostly interested in SQ42 in the short time. As good as I envision SC can be in the end, I do not enjoy re-learning keybindings what feels like every other patch. I get that it is hard to get the flight experience right and that is why I wait patiently, come in from time to time as a tourist to see some areas, do a box or bunker mission and check out the new stuff. However until we arrived at a "this is now finalized and will mostly get small tweaks" stage I will not invest tons of hours into it. That however is an issue most early access titles have. You can easily burn out the sense of wonder on an early build, hit the parts where the bones stick out and walk away to never return. Takes some experience to let a good game rest until its ready to be realy enjoyed :)

This year at CitizenCon they'll hype people like they always do and they'll do what they always do the following year and the things they hype the most(Hangars)will miss their mark. Go back and rewatch last year's CitizenCon and find my lie.

@SaltEMike

2 ай бұрын

They are def not meeting the Citcon expectations.

@CitizenScott

2 ай бұрын

Were hangars hyped the most? So long ago I can’t remember…

IF/When CIG get round to delivering S42, they'll have at long last, actually qualified as a certifiable and credible game developer and publisher, and at that point, I believe the road is going to get a lot less bumpy. Right now, they remain in pseudo-ponzi territory.

@Bootchair

2 ай бұрын

Are you serious? 😂 so all it takes is a label to get you to switch from Ponzi scheme to actual game devs? Too funny

@mbg4681

2 ай бұрын

@@Bootchair How is the advent of delivering S42 "a label", exactly?

@Soccerrockker6

2 ай бұрын

I don't see how it's a ponzi scheme or in any way a scam. The only thing supporting the idea is missed deadlines... but they've been entirely transparent throughout the process. The game has been "playable" the entire time. The game has been making progress (albeit slowly) and they've publicly documented it all. You're not required to pay anything more than $45 to play it forever. What part of it is a scam/ponzi scheme besides missing deadlines?

@jrddoubleu514

2 ай бұрын

@@Soccerrockker6FFS. Educate yourself."Pseudo". It's like being pestered by a group of intants. Pseudo-ponzi. Not a ponzi. A pseudo-ponzi. I'm not going to spell it out to you. Do not come to me, expecting me to humor you, when you haven't bothered to even try to understand what has been said. Read what I said. Take the time to learn any of the words you're having difficulty with, then you'll be able to piece it together, and come back with a valid query. 'Meh eh dernt erndersternd, ert dersernt lerk lerk eh pernzerh' isn't gonna cut it. Read what I said, and use your noggin. I'm not your dad. It's like your trying to have an argument/debate against what you think I said, whilst being completely oblivious to what I actually said.

@jrddoubleu514

2 ай бұрын

@@mbg4681 It's a qualifying milestone. Once they've passed it, they'll be definitively and irrefutably legitimate.

Love your videos Mike. I have backed the game via CIG's website even before the kickstarter. And for the first few years I got what I wanded, a relatively unfiltered look at game development. But recently I rarely log into the PU. There is still no game there. I believe the devs want to deliver but are constantly roadblocked by the marketing development, which needs to milk more people for money. I can't fathom that after so many years we still don't have any working concept of armor. SC is doing the same error over and over again. They try to balance ships and combat, without all the systems which can only fail. There have been many changes to gameplay that I did't like back then and still don't like today. I still think, that arbitrary ammo limits for energy weapons (capacitors) are stupid. Those things should overheat quickly to prevent me from firering too long. I also don't like master modes and the arbitrary energy limits that go along with it. If you look at erkul's db, it is obvious that pretty much all generators are overpowered as hell and could easily drive double the components. Makes no sense at all. It doesn't seem like there is a cohesive concept between all of this. And yes, I get that they need to test and iterate on things, but I feel they are iterating on fine details, when they should try to get the big picture into the game. Honestly, with all the letters from the chairmen, which were obviously a lot of bs and the PTU wave changes, I am loosing hope fast. I am not sure anymore that it's ever becoming a game, and even if the pull it of, I doubt it's going to be a game for me. I also don't have much faith for SQ42, given the fact that many essential systems like the flight model are still not nailed down. It's an alpha, I know, but still I feel they have completely lost sight of what the game should be.

*checks date* no April was last month. That’s wild

Bro this "game" has been in Alpha for 12 years....

IF WE WANT NEW CONTENT PEOPLE AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE TO STOP BUYING SHIPS AND THEY WILL DROP PYRO IN A MONTH JUST WATCH.

@SaltEMike

2 ай бұрын

They have stopped…still no content brother

@Biggerfoot

2 ай бұрын

@@SaltEMike naw people are still buying even now , spending there welfare on the hammerhead

@boukm3n

2 ай бұрын

lmao ain’t happening

@Biggerfoot

2 ай бұрын

@@SaltEMike love your vids btw

@garywilburn7384

2 ай бұрын

Isn't there some low quality free to play game you can go to

Star citizen is definitely an interesting thing in the gaming scene and only one thing can be said about coding this complicated it is on the same level as rocket science in terms of sheer scale of the coding cig uses to make something like qt'ing around a rotating planet/moon alone and i am glad i got into star citizen because i think there is also a second benefit of this game is help give everyone a foot in the door via q&a into the gaming industry for people inspired by star citizen

One thing that's an issue for their concurrency problem is their own system of waves. By the time I could finally play as wave 4 peasant (you know, the people you really need to create concurrency on a large scale), I had already seen everything that's new in the game 20 times on KZread. On top of that, the rumors that the game would go to live just days after. Mmmm, wonder why people aren't motivated to download 100GB for that?

It's not our job to get more players in the game, people DO NOT want to play a buggy mess. It needs to be user friendly. As for features progress... It's the bare minimum

I've also changed my views on the game recently. For me, with the latest ‘casualisations’ such as the new flight model, sniper glint, fps scan, player markers etc., the hope that this game will be a motivating game for a long time has completely died. The whole thing has gone so far that I'm considering reducing my purchased ships to a minimum and completely ignoring the game until it's released (if it ever is). Never in over 10 years of SC have I had so little desire and anticipation for a patch as I do now for .23.

So what I need to see is levels of polish coming to features they put in the game - theoretically this new 3.23 tech is no longer "placeholders" and should be refined over time into a "finished" product. (or as finished as you can get in ongoing game design) So far this really does not exist in the game.

The issue is, they have two games they are making simultaniously and the shift and focus has been bounced back so hard between the two that its hard to pinpoint what is more important to get out quicker. Once SQ42 is out, that will boost all the influence on why and what you are doing in SC and why that matters.

Mike and his asmongold titles

Polaris? LoL 😆

@SaltEMike

2 ай бұрын

Who cares about ships man its about PROGRESSION!

@yous2244

2 ай бұрын

​@@SaltEMiketo me the more ships the better, anyway the teams who make ships are separate, it wouldn't make the game become ready faster if they stopped making ships. I immensely hate how they nerfed the C2, even though Crusader ships aren't my favourite.

Rich Tyrer is just slowly becoming the new Chris so Chris can eventually leave/become entirely silent. I don't believe the great things Rich said on the live last night will come to fruition at any sort of pace that most backers would consider to be reasonable. The company has too many systemic flaws and operational inefficiencies as is demonstrated time, and time, and time, and time again with poor project management, missed deadlines, stability that is absolutely in the toilet even for things like Quantum Jumping which has been in the game for 6, 7 years? Truly few things 'just work' and we are still trying to cram new, fundamentally altering technologies in there. The leadership teams at CIG have always said all the right things. Last night's SCL is no different- it's the top brass saying all the shit we want to hear just like CR did circa 2012. Doesn't change the fact that every new update is either: 1. months late; 2. woefully unstable; 3. missing previously promised features; or, most likely, 4. All of the above. The problems at CIG go much deeper than upper management telling us what we want to hear. If anything we need *_less_* of what we saw last night.

I agree with you Mike. I will say it is hard to keep up with the motivation after seeing the release of other games. Star Citizen has the potential to be the next Star Wars Galaxies. The best mmo for years to come. It is almost as if the Devs move at the pace of a snail. For me I want content and pyro. Hair is cool and all that but give us content. Server meshing, cargo, base building, refining, crafting. We need those things. I feel like at times they put their efforts into the wrong categories almost as if they are focusing on too many tasks all at once which leads to incomplete features.

2023 - "CIG: We promise change. Every patch will be a substantial patch". 2024 - the first substantial patch is late again and less substantial. I think people like me who got the game ten years ago don't care about what's being said anymore. I can see some work gets done, but at this rate we'll spend another ten years waiting.

As a non game developer.. and most of us are.. I can say, the more hoops you have to jump through to ensure your code won't break anything on a prod environment, can sometimes take years... Seriously. If you want faster delivery, sometimes you just have to have faith in your developers and code. Sometimes, that means you break shit, but sometimes that's the only way to get things done fast. We have a saying, fail fast, fail foward. This means being willing to take risks and fixing the mistakes as quickly as possible to keep momentum

At the same time this is a classical alpha (building up tech that later you'll build content, gameplay and QoL on) but at the same time every month Jared proudly exclaims how it's a "Live environment in the middle of game development", and in live environment you DO care about content, QoL and gameplay... So even for CIG this is both an alpha and a live service. Now, I don't think they should lean into live service too much, because any new big tech they bring in can force them to rework current content and game loops and QoL...and that is wasted dev time, that is the thing I hate the most, because i treat wasted dev time as wasted backer money. As long as they keep proving they can spend our money well I'll be happy, no matter how long it'll take them.

Every sacrifice needed to get Server Meshing working was certainly worth it, but past 4.0 we need a "stable" branch of Star Citizen. From here on I don't care how much redundant work needs to be done, we need a version of the PTU that people can actually jump in and "play". If that means the first six months of any given year is spent polishing something that will only be overwritten the next year then so be it. In my mind we've reached the point where dev time may as well be 50/50 split between polishing the existing game and adding features.

@CHEESYhairyGASH

Ай бұрын

4.0 in Q1 2026

As Helldivers 2 nukes itself...prime time for SC to step up

@NSXtacy-

2 ай бұрын

Add Tarkov to the nuking list

@sennemaa5976

2 ай бұрын

Whats happening to helldivers 2 ?

@surfsidegraphicsinternetse7071

2 ай бұрын

@@sennemaa5976Now enforcing that Steam players link to Play Station network to play the game, except many countries that they've already sold the game to cannot connect to PSN. More Sony garbage.

They can't even make an easy to use inventory and buy/sell UI. That should be learned in a game programming 101 class, IMO.

@Wylie288

Ай бұрын

No basic programming class teaches you client server interaction.....

Honestly if they want more to go play on the ptu, have it where if you play a certain amount of time you get some special item or somthing. You can make a level system so the more you play the ptu the more and better items you get for testing the patch.

I think what most of us (and I say that loosely because the original backers are a very small contingent of current players) are missing is that... and I hate to be the one brining up SQ42, but what CIG have said for years is starting to show itself. For years without news of SQ42, we have missed out on what you call "basic gameplay features" things that exist in current games and MMOs, and CIG's response was always "we are working on it." After everything between Citcon and now, with the revolutionary excess of features being added to 3.23... I believe them. I think the "basic gameplay" we were all looking for was already being created and tested in SQ42, aside from the MMO components, which are arguably the most important from an MMO perspective, but not with regards to "basic gameplay." We now have a functional and arguably great UI considering the new map and inventory changes, the ships are getting a pass on their basic movement features, which has been begged for, for years, and that's not even considering Master modes. While everyone is shitting the bed about master modes, we are getting full reworks of ship speeds, health, maneuverability, weapons, components, and more. Each of these items are finally getting unique uses aside from just *more bullet more speed more damage.* But I digress. I think what we were looking for, the basic game features, were being worked on in SQ42, and we are now seeing the fruits of that labor being translated to the PU. And when I play 3.23 and consider the actual basic level of gameplay... Like you said, if we had actual missions and goals and direction in the current universe, it would be a great game.... Take 3.23 and just imagine you had missions and goals... if SQ42 is what we have in 3.23 but with a story and goals... it's going to be a BLAST. Now they can redirect focus on making the MMO, which is repeating missions that make the universe feel alive. Which, they can do. I am glad to hear this coming from you SaltE, it reminds me of the Mike from years ago that I would watch almost daily under a completely different moniker. Its good to see.

minute gang

@The_Geezus

2 ай бұрын

I love that youtube offered to translate this to English and then translates it to 'minute time'. I'm not sure what exactly, but I feel like there is an implication there.

Oh man and its not like all of us non-jaded people werent telling you to chill the f*** out and give it time. Imagine not being entirely jaded until you see a decent bit of the product. Who ever heard of such a thing. But I guess when being salty is an entire brand, I guess you get what you get. 🤷‍♂ Rage generates clicks cause insecure angry people need to feel their views are validated while happy people go off and enjoy the product.

@SaltEMike

2 ай бұрын

I have given them 12 years and a lot of money. I’m entitled to opinion and I’m sorry but many things over this decade are not defensible. I made a non negative video and I’m still an asshole, i won’t ever win for someone like you, so you keep enjoying whatever you enjoy and I’ll keep pushing for what I do. And one day maybe we will both be happy, but man…the only negativity I see is this comment man…

@BearanormalPodcast

2 ай бұрын

@@SaltEMike And who held a gun to your head telling you to do that when you didnt like what you were seeing? Sounds like thats a you thing. Sounds like being angry at the devs is a redirected projection of self anger. Its fine if you wanna hold an opinion but the fact you CONTINUOUSLY opted into your own outrage is your own fault. Being mad at the devs when you can literally go play something else is indefensible. I mean, at this point Im sure you like the rage clicks enough to continue making the same content. Which only means, you identify with the rage and integrate it into your daily life. Angry people dont turn into happy people overnight without ridding what theyre angry about. Im sure it would do the game a net good if the rage baiters just walked away. See how defensive youre getting when someone points out something you know is right? Thats the self-identification with the rage. Its a lifestyle now, bro. To some, even an addiction. Attention is a hell of a drug. As for the negativity that I see? Well Go ahead and count every single video youve uploaded. Im sure the scales tip more in my favor now than in yours.

@LykosMenon

2 ай бұрын

@@BearanormalPodcast Bro, this video is very positive about the game. Why are you out here slinging mud about him saying good things about the game?

@yous2244

2 ай бұрын

​@@BearanormalPodcastnah, if all backers were like you, Cig wouldn't be what it is today. They probably could have made you take a loan and donate It to their company

@BearanormalPodcast

2 ай бұрын

@@yous2244 Nah Im not saying That no complaints should be registered. Theres is difference between constructive criticism and being hyper critical. Most of the rage baiters are hyper critical. People like supermac and petey and even croncy to an extent, those are the people that give constructive criticism. Youd be well to know the difference.

Honestly, until they can get the servers to stay above a 15 tick rate, it doesn't matter how much cool stuff is in the game, if there's a 3 second delay between doing everything within an hour of a fresh server, it will always be unpleasant, hell was doing my first DC run today and the 3 second delay to make the backpack available to loot into it was painful, especially in a tense situation.

Paraphrasing Mike-“the game has to get worse to get better” LOL CiG is certainly following that strategy.

Personally, my main reason for not jumping in the Eptu or PTU most of the time is because i have to basically install the game twice, With limited space and so many game to play, i will only keep the PTU or EPTU on my PC if i really like to test and play the next built like 3.23. I know i can change the file name from PTU to Eptu and just download some files between the two but it's still installing the Live build and the PTU build which if I'm not wrong is probably close 150g or more.

Thing is. If you treat this as an alpha and are not responsible about it's playability it will effect the revenue. So it has to be playable like a live service because of that. 3.18 was a massive hit to moods and their pocket. So to me, they have to be careful with this stuff and try to de risk as much as possible to not ruin the playability or moods. Because when we are pissed we spend less.

Always appreciate the perspective, Mike, thanks for the videos

Honestly Mike, I am really glad to see you say all this. Like you've said it all, they need to give us these rough patches, they can't avoid this and we need to accept it, but in between these we need it to become an actual game. Really really glad I watched this video, even though it's 5:30am here. You honestly became my favourite content creator on Star Citizen (even if the first video I watched of you made me roll my eyes to the roof) and count on you to keep ranting until the game is at least decent, but this is balanced and healthy thinking that I wish the whole community showed.

Is it April 1 again?

Been here since the start - spent lots of money and already had tons of fun. Definitely gotten my money's worth. Its been a long haul, but I am sticking with them because I see so much potential. It keeps getting better, slowly but surely.

Great point and glad to see you saying this publicly Mike!! What they said in SCL makes total sense to me. If they're saying they need to put 3.23 live to figure out the rest of the bugs then I support it.

I was excited to see the directors come on to SCL and talk about 3.23 and the future towards 1.0. From the one hour of listening to them all, especially Rich, I feel confident about the next couple of years for the game. Rich seems like he wants to drive the game forward as you said and he seems like he wants to do so as quickly as possible. Same with Rick and JJ. They seem like they can really steer the ship where the game needs to go.

Because of your candid approaches to SC, you lend more weight to your words. Dont stop being you Mike. I enjoy your honesty. I agree with your take the game is moving forward and that is heartening. Not close being done but at least moving forward.

Great video. I subscribe to you because you're not afraid to call them out when they make mistakes or for a general lack of any real progress (or at least the appearance of slow progress due to lackluster communication). That being said I've always felt like you were just a little too negative. It's been clear to me Star Citizen would be an amasing unrivalled game eventually (whenever that might). The Multicrew features and 64bit precision sealed that for me, even if it never achieved the MMO side of things. There is nothing else like it and until AI starts to help us with coding probably nothing will come close for some time, it's just too expensive and takes too damn long to make a game like this. That being said I have always wondered what the released game would look like. Certainly I never expected them to realise a great many of their ambitions. They spent so long working on Server Meshing I wondered if it was truly something they could achieve. Anyway, nice to see you more positive for a change. It is as they stated and you pointed out, a test environment, even Live. I've done a fair amount of dev in my time, quite a lot recently but I don't work on things as interesting as games, never mind one like Star Citizen. If you keep changing it so drastically it will never be stable. Just accept that fact and that this is the ride we are on until we get much closer to feature complete and you'll feel better. Keep it up!

I do understand the need for a STABLE...at least as stable as it could be specifically for the player that want to treat it like a game, sort of. So, I propose: 1. PU - Stable : This would be the server that all new player would be directed to, Techdemo be damned, even looking at the sky is a gameloop...for the first 10 hours, at least don't make people get 30K when they are comfortably looking at the sky. The build would be a balance between the latest and the most stable, with heavy leaning on stability, just let them have 50 player cap, make the server degrade slower. This will get them new players boots wet. Once they have exhausted everything worth their $45 package, now they would be a dreamer (or copium huffer, depends on who you ask) they would then, voluntarily dive to the PTU 2. PTU - This would be what the current Live Service is, except there would be nothing before this. No need for Evo, ePTU, PTU, etc. If what the devs need ultimately is the Live Service population to ensure stability, then this would be best. Each patch cycle, reach stability within that patch number, and port it to Live Service/PU when it is deemed stable enough. Now, the question would be, would most of the player other than the newbie plays on the Test server/PTU? Would a Stable server entice the player more than experiencing/playing the bleeding edge, testing the new patch, experiencing pretty much 3.18 over and over again every patch cycle? Would even the veteran player prefer playing the stable techdemo rather than testing the buggy techdemo? This, I don't have the answer still.

I have been and always will be one of those "It's Alpha software" hardliners until it isn't. That stems from actually working as QA for a game. Once you have that perspective it's hard to NOT see the Live service as anything else but a test environment.