chun lis thighs are the bridge between communities

@Toasty_10

27 күн бұрын

Real

@kahutee7495

27 күн бұрын

Preach🙏🙏🙏

@reydez84

27 күн бұрын

LMAOOOO

@quochuyduong9421

27 күн бұрын

LMFAO SO TRUE THAT BIG FAT LEGS

@YukinoCS

27 күн бұрын

True the last time I played any fighting game was 10 years ago But chun lis 🤤 I see her every day

I think we forgot what a collab is meant to be. Two different worlds coming together?? Marvel and capcom, disney and final fantasy (kingdom hearts), monster hunter and literally everything. There doesn't necessarily have to be an overlap in interest to warrant a collab. Most collabs have garnered a whole new community that wouldn't have otherwise existed.

@Xailei_

27 күн бұрын

Yep. It’s part of the reason why smash bros was SO popular. Seeing people from all different games in one fighting game, pulled in a lot of people as well as interested them into their respected games as well.

@Hiro.the.God.

27 күн бұрын

Insert guy pointing to his brain meme

@smash096

26 күн бұрын

Nikke x Dave the motherfrickin Diver

@Bethogg

26 күн бұрын

Imagine Nier collabing with other game genres, or Fortnite with every single fucking IP ever... That would be crazy, right? Oh, wait..! People need to just stop talking when their brain shuts down and take 5.

@AnimeRPGgame

25 күн бұрын

true

ngl when i read your title i was expecting another editor drama

@MrDSkinny

27 күн бұрын

Another editor strokin it to Smack huh?😂

@xth3y_kill_k3nny

27 күн бұрын

Same

@ayoubp7689

27 күн бұрын

People making drama about a game that isn't even out yet, and prolly they won't play again for more than 2 weeks cuz it's mihoyo game and you have 2 days worth of content. What a community

@skyhart9926

27 күн бұрын

man, these CCs… like 1/2 of their content is drama. it’s getting exasperating at some point, not gonna lie. i still watch them because of their game tips, guides, etc. But i wish they cover less drama.

@villnoir

27 күн бұрын

Same

"gacha game collabs should make sense!" NIKKE: hold my beer

@Dendyaryadi

26 күн бұрын

well it make sense dave the diver and aegis squad is both good at diving

@shwix6534

26 күн бұрын

I d rather not have collabs in gacha games but if there is one, there should be different genres of games because the different the communities will try new type of game, opposed to making a collab like genshin and WWW which wouldn't be the best since a lot of players probably played both

@zap7737

25 күн бұрын

they make sense. theyre animes. its common sense lol

Granblue Fantasy is the text book example of this. 100%. Edit: Also Counterside JUST had their GGST Collab rerun to much elation to whole community. Everyone was waiting for it to come back.

@TheAngryBeard

27 күн бұрын

This is the real key here. Almost a DECADE ago, GBF had collabs with SF4, SF5 and SamSho. For almost its entire existence, it has had characters RIFE with fighting game references, from VAs to movesets. And they brought it all full circle with GBF Versus + Rising, the perfect example of the overlap between the FGC and Gacha.

@akusen7634

26 күн бұрын

GBF probably has the most collabs out of all gacha games 😂.

@Dendyaryadi

26 күн бұрын

@@akusen7634 even doraemon

@gshorter

25 күн бұрын

AND Granblue Fantasy HAS a successful fighting game! lol

@dandyshark6094

25 күн бұрын

GBF Collab with doraemon and another old anime is already funny and cool for me XD

If Zenless Zone Zero has a collab where I can play as Cammy in the game, I'm all for it. edit: ALSO CAPCOM HAS A STREET FIGHTER GACHA GAME! edit 2: Lacari is someone who plays fighting games, league of legends, and Gacha games!

@supersaiyanunbreaded6765

27 күн бұрын

SFD is garbage though. Lets be real

@RaxorX

27 күн бұрын

@@supersaiyanunbreaded6765 I believe you. Its more so that capcom thinks its worth it. Another example is Skullgirls has a gacha game.

@mrdiux411

27 күн бұрын

coomer

@quochuyduong9421

27 күн бұрын

@@supersaiyanunbreaded6765 shut the hell up moron

@RafaelStrona

27 күн бұрын

@@RaxorX KoF has a few gacha games too. Fighting games are inside the gacha community since a long time. Tectone is just salty and wants to go against anything positivo from a hoyo title. Dude started to talk shit about HSR even, lol.

Imma be real, the number of people at tournaments I've seen boot up a gacha between pool matches is wild.

@markvieyra9950

23 күн бұрын

Even some of the creators i watch have heard or been interested in HSR. Most being in the smash community too lol. I think streaming brain has ruined the idea behind enjoying multiple games since being a varsity streamer sometimes kills or hinders your growth. I’ve been playing turn based, fps, auto battle, soulslike, and fighting games all my life.

What the fuck was tectone smoking when he was yapping here

Tectone: It doesn't make sense to me, therefore it is wrong.

@Carnaj90

12 күн бұрын

And the fact that the ogre in a later stream tried to massively cope by flaunting how he leads a "successful" advertising company, then listed games that almost NO ONE has even heard of...

Thank fucking God there is someone in this CC space that can put baldie in his place when needed.

@mataeus.

27 күн бұрын

Facts. I guess all you have to do is act and sound like you know what you're talking about to have people brainlessly agree with everything you say. IMO It's gotten harder to watch Tectone nowadays since majority of his content is just shitting on dumbass chatters and talking as if he's the smartest guy on the planet with every single one of his takes. He for sure needed a humbling cus his ego has been through the roof lately.

@sebastianadellQ

26 күн бұрын

I agree with you i watch tectone too but in this month in june it is hard to watch him ​the cringe in his reaction trailers, the bad takes are worst now and the echo chamber yes maam in his chat is annoying to watch like seriously what is going on i watch him for 3years now when i start genshin mtashed bring me to tectone randomly i enjoy a lot his gachapodcast hopefully he bring them more because ultimately is a little annoying to watch him for now@@mataeus.

@wesleyleigh4063

26 күн бұрын

For sure man hey why don’t we open those blinds and let some air in?

@nguyenhuylong722

26 күн бұрын

Ain't u the guy on Twitter who literally post nothing but Wuthering wave and Tectone hate post ?

@humptydumpty996

26 күн бұрын

@@nguyenhuylong722 yep it's all he does, but he's "not hating" bro he's totally a fan who watches him.

Tectone is an extremely bias person. The only reason he is saying this is because he thinks he is not going to enjoy zzz. If there was news that there was going to be a wuwa x streetfighter collab bro would be praising it.

@williamzou8833

26 күн бұрын

At this point, Doc Robotnik is just being vindictive over the blacklisting from Hoyo years ago. If the game does well, the Eggman will say, "oh, it's just because the brand name." If it fails, he will say, "ha, told you so you dumbfks!" He can't "lose".

@flakey9155

25 күн бұрын

You are exactly right.

When Guilty Gear had a collab with Epicseven it was a huge thing and it was a huge success

@ShadowCero

26 күн бұрын

I started my 2 year epic seven stint due to the first Guilty Gear collab lmao

@Shingeki__

26 күн бұрын

Same for Counterside. I was WAITING for it to come to Global for so long

@roberte.o.speedwagon2507

26 күн бұрын

The only reason I played Epic seven for a few days is because of guilty gear... Later I found epic seven not interesting so I dropped it...

@mcbadass2537

26 күн бұрын

​@@roberte.o.speedwagon2507i feel like that is the point tectone was making. People will try it because of street fighter collab but a good chunk probably wont stick around. A more related collab like nier or dmc would bring in more players who would probably keep playing and that line of logic is very fair. Either way any collab always brings in good money but if your goal is bringing in more players who will stick around doing something closer related to your game is generally a better plan.

The fact that Tectone just doesn't know that the Father of Gacha games (summoner's war, a friking turn based gacha!!!) made a collab with Street Fighter is just crazy!!!

@Dendyaryadi

26 күн бұрын

well also on granblue fantasy

@CosmoJZ

26 күн бұрын

Guilty Gear has had plenty of collabs too (Epic 7 and some others iirc)

@shwix6534

26 күн бұрын

He really isn't the father of gacha, he is one of the biggest cc who consistently play and stream gachas tho

@HugoContrerasLagos

26 күн бұрын

@@shwix6534 i used "father of gacha" for summoners war, not for him

@emphraim9328

26 күн бұрын

Bro he only has played the popular ones he doesn’t really play gacha games just the big ones to farm money off of cause it’s smaller community so less competition

i know the term "yes man" gets used a lot for tectones friends so seeing someone disagree with one of tectones takes (i also agree with majority of his but lets be honest he does occasionally come up with some pretty terrible ones) and hold him accountable to it but still be able to say "I respect him and hes my friend" is nice to see

@phrofile3613

25 күн бұрын

Exactly this!

As a fighting game player i enjoy games that let me practice something and get better and better. Being able to go and lab new combos, new teams synergies and punishes. So trying new teams in Genshin or WW and messing with new teams combos and adapting to an opponent is right at home for me.

It’s crazy to think he would say that hoyo wouldn’t know whether this would be of interest to fighting gamers…basically all of their in-game surveys ask what type of other games you play so that probably factored into their decision.

@yeumu

25 күн бұрын

i think it's also bc hoyoverse did a bad collab w aloy

@SundayMatinee

24 күн бұрын

That's pre launch. Hoyo isn't perfect, and the Aloy collab was botched. But​ they quickly found Genshin is bigger than Horizon. And the reasonthey won't do more collabs is because they want to keep the lore and world building in Genshin pure. And, frankly, Genshin doesn't need it - is bigger than most other franchises. Same with HSR - purity and no need. @yeumu

@markvieyra9950

23 күн бұрын

@@yeumuLowkey, wouldn’t Tectone have called the Horizon Zero collab perfect. Genshin was called a Breathe of the Wild clone, and so was Horizon! They both were the same genre, two outsiders to the big nintendo game. Am I wrong to assume tectone would think that collab should’ve been amazing? My point being, you can’t really predict the success of a collab especially with a new IP.

Tectone: "Gotcha game players like gotcha games and fighting game players like fighting games" Shirou Emiya: "People die if they are killed" 😂😂😂

@nikson0425

27 күн бұрын

😂😂

@NiaTheMilkTank

27 күн бұрын

Don't tell them about the Fate x HSR dev talk last year. They'll think it's a Collab also

@ibrahim5463

27 күн бұрын

"Just because you are right dosen't mean you are correct" Also emiya shirou

@ibad18

27 күн бұрын

"gatcha"

@kiddez6443

26 күн бұрын

😂

Tectone's main statemant was that the money spent with collab with fighting games can be used better in open world, RPG, anime games (as ZZZ is also an open world, RPG, anime, gacha). Can be true, but in my opinion, collab is used to attract new players. If hoyo already has an established audience for the gacha, open world, RPG, anime genre, then wouldn't it be wise to collab on a different genre as to attract new player base? I mean, the gacha, open world, RPG, anime player base are already established. It's kinda like diminishing returns, no?

@jwinterspring

26 күн бұрын

question: is collab a 2 way relationship, where capcom(or any company) also pays for half of what the other company pays, as well as the effort, manpower, etc in the time, event, and/or version they are collaborating? or is it like you're a new game so you'll have to make more effort kinda thing?

@jwinterspring

26 күн бұрын

had to correct myself. it's not a collab collab, but more of a roundtable? like brainstorming of some sort for now that might be a "potential" collab. IF this happens, that would be great and opens the game into a better future collab with Capcom with MH, Megaman, etc.

@Daniel-ik6wi

26 күн бұрын

creators talking about collabs and how good it is when they have 0 data at all, gachasmack and tectone speaking out of their asses. even the youtube comments are just speaking out of their asses

@walayars

25 күн бұрын

You know, i think you are the only person that has given an actual argument against Tectone´s point.

@thornszk

25 күн бұрын

zzz is not openworld

Capcom did a collab with fuckin rainbow six siege lol, collabing with a gacha game companty is like going to talk to a roomate compared to that.

@Dendyaryadi

26 күн бұрын

wait which collab i don't remember ?

@sunnyblack3359

26 күн бұрын

@@Dendyaryadi you can get ryu and chun li skins for Grim and Ying, 2 operators in rainbow 6

@Dendyaryadi

26 күн бұрын

@@sunnyblack3359 ahhh of course it's ryu and chun li thanks

Its wild this is even a conversation. I've seen industry marketing surveys from the inside, but even without that, it seems pretty common sense. The venn diagram of fighting game players and brawler game players overlaps more than it doesn't, so getting them into a gacha brawler just requires giving them motivation to get over the gacha part. The collab makes a hell of a lot more sense than half the collabs I see in these games.

@EyesDontCry

26 күн бұрын

It's like, who looks at 2 games with fast paced fighting, combos, and notoriously great animation leading to responsive combat and says "nah too different, shouldn't collab it will fail". I'm not a fighting game player but this is so obvious, not to mention the simple fact that people can just like different games. I like doom eternal, I also like slime rancher, I'm not saying these 2 games have major crossover, but tectone insinuates that people just don't have varied interests to such a degree where even slightly different games are inconceivable as having overlapping player bases. As much as gacha smack glazes tectone and I get it they're cool with each other and good friends, but man tectone is just stupid. He says the most luke warm basic shit, which fair play I don't expect you to be a genius, but then people will say he's so intelligent. Why? What has tectone done that shows how intelligent he is? Gacha smack shows on a regular basis his high intelligence, he doesn't lose his cool, he makes sound arguments and actually explains them, he has made multiple in depth build guides for characters which go deep into their kits, so on and so forth. Gacha earned his respect through action, I simply ask what actions have tectone committed which warrants this level of respect? And I want to make clear, I don't hate tectone, he seems like he's good to his friends and overall is just making content like anybody else, I just question this level of reverence he is afforded without the proof. He got popular because of his loud personality, funny nature and wit, not because of any credential denoting smarts or expertise. Frankly his success is a combination of good branding, enticing personality and luck, his level of popularity itself seems to be his only real credential that I can see, his daily actions themselves are not impressive and in cases like these, down right embarrassing. As much love to the guy as possible, but I'm not drinking the tectone kool aid on this one, he's an idiot with a camera like 99% of streamers, he should stick to that and people shouldn't be consulting him for what's right or wrong in any capacity. If anything my issue is less with tectone, stupid is as stupid does, and more so with his community who eats it up uncritically, it's just disappointing.

@markvieyra9950

23 күн бұрын

To be fair, people who don’t like gacha, aren’t the audience for gacha. They want someone who’s going to spend, so I think the barrier of entry might be even lower.

Here early cause it still says 7min ago. Lock in, boys. Edit: 10min in and I'm fully agreeing. lol Honestly, the fighting game players we are just doubling down on this is hilarious.

@Kioh.

27 күн бұрын

Yoo, how are you doing?

@im_Tsu

27 күн бұрын

A huge chunk of FGC content creators & players play gacha games. There are FGC gacha games. The most collabed IP for most gacha games is Guility Gear...a fighting game. How TF can anyone say FGC doesn't have overlap? lol

@Hassan_d_dagan

27 күн бұрын

We're doubling down and standing on business! I don't get why there's always pitch forks for iyo and smack.

@Hassan_d_dagan

27 күн бұрын

We're doubling down and standing on business! I don't get why there's always pitch forks for iyo and smack.

@Kyddious

27 күн бұрын

Doubling down on this.

power stone & soul caliber is the 🐐

@kiitsubasa7198

27 күн бұрын

Power stone on dreamcast! Yes!

@Myrdin89

27 күн бұрын

Brings back good childhood memories. Nothing like bonding with siblings and friends by playing these games back in the day.😊

@kiddez6443

26 күн бұрын

Power Stone is so Goated!!!!! I just recently bought it and a Dreamcast.

Tectone is a long time twitch streamer but he should have known that even twitch categories for ZZZ, Wuwa and Streetfighter have a common tag: ACTION

@darko6115

27 күн бұрын

What? So does like every other game ever. Thats like me saying valorant has the same tag as call of duty. Shooter.

@dilucragnvindr130

27 күн бұрын

@@darko6115 My point is that there are very big common features between ZZZ and Capcom fighting games. Twitch only puts default tags that are popular but Tectone can't even think about one single thing that can be a massive common thing between Capcom fighting games and Zenless Zone Zero. Tectone even put combat games and fighting games as different.

@NeonTubeGaming

27 күн бұрын

waifu tiddies and ass lets be real here

@darko6115

27 күн бұрын

@@dilucragnvindr130 Could you give an example of what you mean by combat and fighting games? I didn’t really get that part. And sure there are common features but the games are very different. There is also a common feature between guns being in valorant and cod but that community doesn’t all of a sudden merge due to this. The main point tectone has is that hoyo could spent their money more wisely on advertisements that have less of risk and I think that point is completely valid. Lets be honest there is no real data which proves either of them to be true. Its just a matter of semantics and the whole thing seems pointless to me.

@user-ir3fc7kv7h

27 күн бұрын

@@darko6115 There is certainly merit to Tectone's argument. But is he really qualified enough to tell a billion-dollar company how best to spend its money? Perhaps they became so rich for a reason and know what they are doing no? (purely my guess)

11:13 kinda weird that he says a couple guys opinion on the mater doesn’t matter, but he claims to be objectively correct on things with “trust me bro” as his proof…

@Villain_of_Overhype

26 күн бұрын

Tectone is a massive narcissist. He feels like he needs to be right about everything. You could present an entire court case against his takes and he’ll still just stubbornly dismiss it or make excuses. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him admit he’s wrong about anything.

@MegaMrASD

26 күн бұрын

@@Villain_of_Overhype well unfortunately I haven’t seen anyone that was actually able/willing to make a proper case against him before. I don’t watch him a lot because I simply don’t enjoy the content not because I have anything against him. But the few times I watched and people in chat would attack him it would usually be a bunch of jackasses who knew about as much as he did or less on whatever the subject was, haven’t seen actually well thought out criticism before this video, most was just Tectone bad because I don’t like him for the most part. Smack actually brought some proper facts to the table.

@SundayMatinee

24 күн бұрын

​@@MegaMrASD100% Smack has a brain and facts. Tec has ignorance and arrogance.

@markvieyra9950

23 күн бұрын

That’s true, but it’s not like he debates smart people. Random chatters who spew the most brain dead arguments, and gacha creators who can’t handle someone saying GGEZ. There are legitimate times you can call him out on his hypocrisy. Even as recent as the Yunlo reveal in HsR. He’s an adamant Loli hater which I admired because the gacha space is filled with Loli sympathizers. But with the Yunli reveal, he gets called out for sexualizing her even though she was confirmed to be a minor in the story, and even I thought her character model was a little small. He refused to backdown and was leaning over the line of “it’s not a real person”, which is the same exact argument, loli’s enjoyers use. He could’ve owned up to it and apologized but knew that wouldn’t look good to some people, or his ego doesn’t let him. He’s a great debater first and foremost, similar to the likes of Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder.

I work at a tabletop store, so I get a handful of every hobby out there. This guy that comes in and always talk to me about fighting game scene and has told me multiple times how he dislikes gacha games (Because he knows I play them). Came up to me sometime last week saying, "have you seen ZZZ? it looks pretty interesting and so does the combat". Which shook me and if I see him again, I'm gonna ask his opinion of the collab, but there is definitely overlap. Edit: Him and his group btw which is about 5 people which isnt a HUGE sample-size but that a decent amount of people without me initiating the gacha/zzz subject.

@lovlywonie

27 күн бұрын

A lot of ppl can judge things based on how it looks, it’s understandable and I can be like that MOST of the times ngl

One of the greatest examples of this to prove your point is Granblue Fantasy Versus which is a FG made from the IP of a popular Gacha Game I and many others after playing Granblue went to check out the actual Gacha it self

I didn't expect this to be a drama. I know the SF6 peeps have been saying "Remember the SpyXFamily collab." But I haven't heard how the gacha community feels about it yet. Thanks for sharing man. Edit: I wanna see Smack on the rank grind on one of the new fighting games. Feel like it'd be pretty fun, if he's been around since Marvel 2 (And I'm assuming 3rd strike) he's an OG. Edit 2: 22:45 I'm in a discord of fighting game players that I'm going to EVO with this year. Nearly every person there plays at least one gacha whether it's FGO, Hoyo, Nikke, etc. We even stream our pulls with each banner while doing ranked matches.

Elden Ring DLC still peak.

@joshjones2927

27 күн бұрын

True

@gumdroplollipop

26 күн бұрын

Demons souls is better lmao

@xTiddi

25 күн бұрын

​@@gumdroplollipop L take breh

@gumdroplollipop

25 күн бұрын

@@xTiddi go play hentai star zone and whale 40 bucks for kimini toothpaste

@gumdroplollipop

25 күн бұрын

@@xTiddi open world woaaah 🫨😵‍💫🫨

As a person that plays fighting game and has a strong understanding of how they play and what to go into learning new ones it is a hot take to say "Fighting game players dont care about gachas" due to the fact of the learning curve between just the two genres before we even get into the communities. (Just saying this now Im still watching the video Im 6 minutes in.) Strictly speaking of just the MODERN Fighters(Srive,Dragonball,Under Night,Melty,etc) these games have been more inviting due to the easier learning and inputs they now possess BUT the learning curve is always understanding the mechanics and match ups and that within itself can take years and years of practice to reach the "Endgame" of a fighting game. Gacha games however require very little investment to achieve the "Endgame" of each title. HSR-Do your dailies,pull up a quick guide from a reifiable creator/community build your team do MoC,SU etc. Granblue- Raids and grids(your gear to make your character stronger. Look up guides. Wuthering Waves- Currently ToA till further notice farm echoes for gear. The list goes on for gachas. Its very VERY easy to pick up a gacha and with just doing dailies get to a point to where you can finish content. Fighting games can be done the same snail pace but you may not get far learning a fighting game then a gacha. On the side note if you see this Gacha love your videos and Techs and I appreciate that even as friends you both can come to a understanding and still call each other out on things that just isnt right and stand your ground still keep that friendship. A lot of content creators need that and remember not to take everything to heart. EDIT: Forgot to mention this to but Justin Wong(The Justin Wong) and Kizzie Kay(Another Fighting Game content creator who also enters tournaments) has done a video on ZZZ already to and he has tried it along with other fighting game content creators and gave their opinions.

Nice list smack. Something I would like to add that fighting game players love which have common with gacha games: Character dedication. Maining a character you love and seeing the payoff after investing in to them is what people love. A lot of times you won't see many players wanting or claiming to be the best player at the game in their region, country, or whatever. But being a good player (achieving a high rank, placing high in a tourney) with their main character is so satisfying, it kind of gives you an identity to your type of playstyle and type of character you are devoted to. Easily relatable as hoyo games is all about decisions around character investment.

Spacing/distance control, especially depending on character, can also be shared between both genre's

Back when i was a kid, used to skip school to go to the arcade to play fighting games like KOF, Art of Fighting, MK 1, Street Fighter 2 etc. We literally made irl pvp tournaments in the arcade and it was so good. This was around '93. Good times. Today i play a few gacha games and i see a lot of similarities still, even if there is no pvp in them it still gives the same vibe as a fighting game because it's still a fighting game but in a different format (3D and whatnot). People need to understand that back in the day our 'gacha' games were the actual fighting games. For younger people this can be a bit hard to understand because nowadays there are so many game genres that people don't see the root of where many of them came from.

Brave Frontier had a couple of Fighting game collabs too and thats an OG lmao

@JorjoGiovanna

27 күн бұрын

Exactly, they collabed with KoF, Guilty Gear and tons of other series heck they even collabed with Star Wars lol Also what makes it funnier is that Brave Frontier was a turn based game

@Shayera01

27 күн бұрын

Never forget. I went apeshit in the official BF Discord when Chizuru was announced because she was my girl back in the day.

Hoyo is also looking to expand wirh their upcoming titles, it would make sense why they're advertising to a broader audience since they already have majority of the gacha market cap.

Gacha games and ffxiv are literally fgc peeps retirement home specifically the ones who also play anime fighters

Damn, I’ve been following Teccy since 2020, Found you through tec…. To clarify I’m an adult… 43. Not a parasocial viewer that ever comments on KZread or twitch. I just consume a lot of it. I made my first KZread comments in years on that new tectone video, so I don’t wanna copy paste those novels but damn…. This hurt to watch…. And I don’t mean this video, I mean the choices tectone made & doubled down on pretending he doesn’t understand he was out of pocket & breaking bro code while also making himself look bad in the process. Protecting that ego over admitting the rare L and just laughing it off and acknowledging the respect + receipts you came & sending a “GG”. For being the first person to show the same heavy handed tough love he brags about showing others. Just hurt to watch, and I know you held back & tried to just defend the waffling he originally did…. But that 2nd video he posted to main…. I wish I never witnessed that for multiple reasons. He’s maintained for so long the illusion of top wrestler for years and it’s been entertaining…. This was the first time I felt so much 2nd hand embarrassment and shame just watching KZread or twitch, And the reason is layered. The Friend code illusion was snapped into pieces over his ego, Which is understandable if you truly have the edge and upper hand the desire to want to play that hand even at the risk or tension between a homie, But no way in a million years he doesn’t know he’s bullshitting In his own heart. And it just kept getting worse the longer he dragged it out, acting like a buisiness guru, and talking about subscriber numbers of other channels like it didn’t only highlight his insecurities further and that otk corpo buff is privilege of proximity…. But ultimately he missed the main and only important point that talking out of your a** just to react at the expensive of homie only works if your on A game. I feel like I just witnessed someone who I’ve rooted for years knowing they over play the wrestler persona for stream just show their true colors under pressure when against someone who isn’t so easy to bulldoze over and the wackest part is…. This is all meant to entertainment to distract from the irl nightmare we stuck in and tecc pretty much 1 for 1 both role played at Tr*mp & B*den at the debate unironically…. Feels like the end of an era haha. Can’t believe I’m typing a KZread comment right now haha. “I’m not mad, just highly disappointed”.

@SundayMatinee

24 күн бұрын

This is what I've seen and known for years. Tectone's "friendships" aren't real or strong - they're a matter of convenience and benefit. Look at Goose. Thrown to the curb when Goose was at his lowest and no longer of use. There can only be one at top, and if you threaten him, challenge him, contradict him, or are no longer of use to him, you're his enemy or his trash. This is not a real friend but a manipulator. Besides this, everything else you said is spot on. Tectone is ignorant, and he's wrong here. His ego won't let him admit he was wrong, and instead he must bring Smack down. Unfortunately for him, Smack doesn't fold or back down when he's right. (BTW, Smack 100% is a big enough man to admit when he is wrong, and learn from it, making him better and stronger. But he's not wrong here.) Will Tectone realize he's wrong and change? Years of evidence show he won't. It's a character flaw not just a mistake. On this "drama" Smack brings facts and logic. Tectone brings ignorance and arrogance. I agree with Smack and proudly stand with him.

As someone who loves both genres one of the first things I though about a out seeing genshin characters and their kits was "MAN!! Imagine this charcters in a fighting game!!!"

As fighting game player that loves playing RPGs and gacha games I find this take of tectone is horrendous I'm surprised I missed this.

@DBZeni

27 күн бұрын

yup pretty shit take

@finalheaven9818

27 күн бұрын

Same

@finalheaven9818

26 күн бұрын

@@ittehitteh9322 Just goes to show how many low-key fighting game players were involved in the gacha community if anything

As a fighting game player, my very first and entry gacha game was epic seven, and the only reason why was cause of the Guilty Gear collab (i love me some Baiken)

Bro I played fighting games a lot growing up before my friend introduced me to gacha a game. I liked the combat and the story in HI3 and now I'm all in playing HSR & Wuthering Waves. The ZZZ collab sounds actually good ngl, Based Gacha Smack

Hey Smack, Fighting game AND gacha fan here (fan of most of this side of the gacha community like The tashman, Teccy). First i'd like to say I never knew you were into fighting games like that, I started seeing your content while I was getting more and more into PC gacha games, it's really cool to hear your side of this "argument" if it can even be called that lol. Second, I am a small YT creator who has been making Fighting game content for almost 15 years now and even now I still play every new FG that comes out along with every new Gacha that comes out. I have loved gacha games since the good ole FGO and DBZ Dokkan battle days but you are 100% correct that these genres are not exclusive and actually have a decent bit in common. When I heard about the ZZZ x SF collab I immediately thought of how cool that was and I love when gacha's collab with the FG because I want the FGC to grow (like most FG enjoyers) and the gacha space is huge, just like when All stars battle did a DOA collab. I think it's a pro for both communities. Just wanted wanted to throw my 2 cents in since I think this little debacle is funny and Teccy really hit a hot take here. I think your approach was thought out and concise and respectful to a someone you consider a friend. Keep on doing you brother! PS. If you ever decide to FGC content again, I would love to see it!

"What's another thing fighting game players like? Bad bitches that can throw hands." You're damn right brother!

You hit the nail right on the head, I been part of the FGC since MVC2 early days and even anime fighters like Melty Blood. All of my friends share the same sentiments you pointed out

I used to play competitive Smash Bros for a few years before I got into Honkai Impact 3rd. Heck, one of the reasons I got into it is because a friend in the Smash modding scene recommended it to me. I also remember a few other players who were into other gachas.

I’m a fighting game player whose first gacha was Genshin in 2020, friends who were also fighting game players recommended it to me got into it purely because of how engaging the combat is, there’s so many parallels like the ones you pointed out and street fighter would be an amazing collab for ZZZ

@ineedmorecarrots6063

27 күн бұрын

since you have a fu xuan profile pic i assume youre liking the category

@JaXander9

27 күн бұрын

@@ineedmorecarrots6063 played every hoyo game plus a bunch of other gachas, I’m here to stay

@shadex0437

26 күн бұрын

Same here man got reccomended Genshin and here I am still playing

@JaXander9

26 күн бұрын

@@shadex0437 I stopped playing Genshin consistently in 2022 lol, but that game is special to me and fischl is my favourite character across all hoyo games

@JaXander9

26 күн бұрын

@@ineedmorecarrots6063 played a ton of gachas since, and star rail’s combat got me cuz I’m also a turn based guy, I ain’t goin anywhere

Nikke are doing a mini collab with Dave the Diver, I don't think you can get much different than that I'm assuming he thinks the same about that

as a Fighter game player W for gacha on this.. Tekken series, Bloody Roar series, marvel vs capcom series, street fighter series, soul caliber series, blaze blue, mortal combat, killer instinct, guilty gears etc.. old days and until now.. OG sweety game competitive.

Thank you, Smack! You directly helped me improve my English to score 96% on my C1 Cambridge English exam

There is a crazy overlap between lots of games that people are unaware. I have discovered a few years ago that some of the top FFXIV raid players also liked raiding in Destiny 2. And there is also a bizarre overlap between Destiny 2 players and Genshin Impact. (I'm blamming Tashman for this one) I'm also a fighting game fan. And a gacha addict lmao. Btw, ZZZ's devs already said on record that they took inspiration on SF6 systems and movesets. Edit: oh yeah, JUSTIN F*CKING WONG was making a sponsored video for ZZZ.

Man is cooking! Also respect for Power Stone

This is a perfect example of the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object. We all know this is gonna go nowhere.

I was going to comment on the video as a whole, but my brain is still chirping gleefully at these "resume" highlights: Primal Rage, X-Men vs. Street Fighter, Bushido Blade, and Bloody Roar. BLESS.

Chun Li, Cammy, Felicia and Morrigan were like some of the original cosplays and Waifus, WTF is Tectone on? There is plenty of crossover.

NUCLEAR!!! ☢️ White notepad vs dark notepad A true legendary battle.

Bro I fucking love fighting games and I was so hyped to see this collab. I've gone to many local tournaments and even bigger ones and have had so many conversations with other competitors about the gachas we love playing. It's actually harder to find someone who doesn't play than someone who does. Just look at the artist alleys at fighting game events; there's mostly gacha game character art being sold right next to the chun li and mai art(and yes I've purchased a lot of it).

Definitely facts I can stand by. More than half the games on there were instant connects for me myself when I saw that. Even Power Stone is one that many people don't know and was on DreamCast only (I think?). But definitely a good resume. GGStrive and BlazBlue are some of the best so far that I definitely resonate more with at this point until I can pick up Tekken 8 myself. BS aside, I was half expecting talking stuff like roman cancels, frame stepping, action canceling or some sort of tech talk about it that people enjoy with certain characters coming from Tectone.

"FIghting game players and Gacha game players like fighting games and gacha games" This shit got me on the floor

I like Tectone, he's entertaining at times, but we are talking about a guy that thought WW2 was in the 1800's... He thinks he's good at arguing because he argues with kids in his chat 🤣 Remember what Mark Twain said: "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

@phrofile3613

25 күн бұрын

100%

@innovated435

25 күн бұрын

He doesn't know that because he skip classes in school. That is not "stupid" , the word to use is he is "not knowledgeable"

@HeyItsWez

25 күн бұрын

🤣lmao.

@markvieyra9950

23 күн бұрын

@@innovated435Stop being unnecessarily pedantic. You know what he means.

Epic seven did Guilty gear collab and it’s one of their biggest sellings that they bring it back every year.

I used to play Epic Seven and back then we had Guilty Gear collab. I believe it was a huge success. I got a handful of my E7 bros to play fighting games and fighting game bros play E7 for their first time with me. They were flabbergasted how E7 and Guilty Gear (and modern Arcsys fighting games) made them feel they "play the anime". I was thankful for this collab... On a side note, I'd certainly love to see a Hoyoversus or Kuroversus someday.

This is the kind of oversimplification and reductive argumentation I would expect from Teccy. To be fair, he's been trying to be better at that but a prime a Teccy reaction. Part of why people don't like him cuz they see this and it paints him as completely ignorant. Instead of analyzing and trying to find out more...he just says "nah I'm right" with surface level logic while missing 80% of the details.

@Maadhara

27 күн бұрын

Don’t forget his yesmen chat 😄, they literally agree with anything he says

Also for tectone to say the fighting game community isn’t the best market for them to spend on and not propose an alternative market, further proves he didn’t know what he was talking about

@markvieyra9950

23 күн бұрын

Lmao exactly! Like if not SF, then name another IP they could use?! But that would require him to actually put effort instead of these knee jerk responses where he doesn’t say much. It’s funny how little he provides in a creative space. Even the live stream for WuWa. Couldn’t be bothered to say, what a compelling live stream would look like hence why all his events are half assed messes or just straight discord calls.

I think it's important to mention that fighting games do collabs with gacha pretty often. For example Guilty Gear has had a crossover with Epic seven and recently they're collaborating with CounterSide. Oh and lets not forget KOF and Street Fighter have their own gacha game KOF All Stars and Street Fighter Duel. It's surprising how many collaboration fighting game IP have with other gacha games.

It really doesn't matter much on which game to have collab with but how would they collab and deliver the collab to each other's community or player's space of both the fighting game (Capcom) and gacha game (Hoyoverse). If the collab is well delivered to both playerbase really well it will work for both but if it's bad delivery it probably just not gonna work well, so probably it is kinda 50/50 when it comes to this collabs to work really well.

Does Tectone not know that Street fighter has its own gacha game?

@markvieyra9950

23 күн бұрын

He has too! He pulls the gacha analytics all the time. I forgot but i’m not even that much into gacha and remember one of his videos showcasing their earnings lmao.

Tectone got silenced...

I was a huge fan of MvC and Tekken back when I was a kid so I can relate in some way. Not playing Tekken anymore but watches some tournaments here and there. I'm excited to see where this is going.

KoF Allstars was a fighting game based gaccha that survived for years and had collabs with OTHER fighting games and even the WWE. Numerous gaccha games have had Guilty Gear collabs, street fighter collabs, DoA collabs etc. Its a combination of niche interests so just like any other collab of interests, like Negan being in Tekken, Guilty Gear X Dave The Diver, King Of Fighters X WWE, Monster hunter X AoT, Tower of Fantasy X Evangelion etc etc. Collaborations are for the purpose of both communities discovering and possibly growing both of them while making money/getting clout off of it. I love collabs/guest characters etc so thinking that the idea of the SF roster in ZZZ wouldnt be better than Asuka in Hi3 or Aloy in Genshin is coocoo without the cocoa puffs

@DubExp

27 күн бұрын

of course fighting games will collab with each other most of the time. gacha or not. Especially SF and KoF. But I get what you're saying.

tectones been waking up on the wrong side of the bed for 3 weeks now man, i love that dude but he's been irrational and wild with some of his streams / takes lately lmfao

@GermanPilyan2

27 күн бұрын

Before his content was entertaining, but lately it's been so braindead lately, and his ego is just getting worse as time goes on

@markvieyra9950

23 күн бұрын

@@GermanPilyan2I hate that i was getting recommended his second channel which is just an excuse to farm and make content out of braindead hate watchers who can’t form cohesive arguments.

6:06 DAAAAAAMN THATS SO TRUE😂

intricate combat depths can also be VERY specific things like ability cancels and frame data. im a fan of fighting games myself and learning about which move cancels into what in order to string unique combos or learning the frames of each ability to know whats safe or not. and games like wuthering waves have a shit ton of move and skill cancels which makes it very dynamic (one of the reasons i love WUWA). is a big comparison between gachas and fighting games.

In my circle of friends 6 of them are into fighting games, 3/6 of them played gatcha games. The other 3 did tried playing Genshin when it came out but it didn't hook them enough to continue playing. Having said that, collab can actually do something for both games.

Tectone thinking there are no parallels between two gaming genres MOST characterized by LARGE ROSTERS OF UNIQUE CHARACTERS AND MOVESETS is infinitely baffling.

@zebethlia

26 күн бұрын

Don’t you know, Tectone owns a (relatively small indie) gaming company (that totally isn’t backed up by a whole team of people who actually know what they’re doing and he’s pretty much just an investor with a fancy title) ??? He understands marketing and game making, he has REAL HARDCORE experience, he’s Mr “I own a gaming company so I know what I’m talking about”

One of my fave quotes: - What do you think is the key to happiness? - Not arguing with stupid people. - I don't think that's the key to happiness! - I agree :)

I am part of the fighting game community since 2016 ( FGC ) i played Dragon ball fighter Z/ SF4 / SFV/SF6/ Guilty gear strive AND I LOVED THAT COLLAB

I played smash and was heavily into the community (ended up leaving because of stank but ANYWAY). All of my buddies I retained from the smash community ALSO love street fighter characters, and we ALL also love gacha games. So there's another 8 dudes right there. We excited for cammy and chun li baby. Hell, even blanka would be SICK.

Gatcha Dmack bring up Street Fighter content creator that does not even making a living of fighting games any more that is nothing but react streamer. Being in 0.0001% who literally says he gets sponsored by to play games opinikn does not matter at all. Smack you have to go to a Capcom gaming convention has the average pro fighting game fighter that has no ties to sponsorships Twitch or KZread and ask them what they think of gatcha game that has fighting mechanics with no PvP. Fighting game essential ingredients is the access to PvP and beating other human individuals last time we checked ZZZ has no PvP.

@tricksterfans123

24 күн бұрын

Gachasmack addresses those points in the video though. He literally lists other aspects/mechanics of fighting games that gachas have in common, special moves, hot women, badass dudes, swapping, meter management etc. He also mentioned that it's a good break from the competetiveness of fighting games which is true. As a fighting game player myself, all of what he was saying rings true. It's not black and white

@iflgames3245

24 күн бұрын

@@tricksterfans123 You say you play figting games competitively? How does a gatcha system with no PvP keep retention with you? Fighting game community taking a break for something new for about a week, but wer are all heading back to PvP, LANS and locals.

omg, I couldn't agree more man. I literally play brawlhalla competitively (earned a bit of money from it) and I love genshin and been enjoying wuwa and I'm looking forward towards ZZZ. The part where you talked about fighting games being hella stressful and that the players look for games the opposite of it after a shitty tourny run or a really bad ranked session is just spot on, and the part where you said that the players just wants a game to fight in is also such a good take, Great response, again; I couldn't agree more.

Persona had a collab with Granblue. Never imagined that’d be a thing but it happened. Thats what collabs are for: introducing people to new stuff and bring groups together.

The most important aspect people enjoy about fighting games is the skill based PVP. Can someone elaborate why it would be likely that people who enjoy that would also enjoy a P2W gacha game with no PVP focus or even any PVP whatsoever? Obviously, it will attract people because it's a popular IP, but that's not going to attract people because the games are in any way similar, like Fortnite and God of War collab.

Finally gachasmack drama FINALLY

someone should tell Tectone that it's like a knee-jerk response when seeing a 3 person team in a gacha space with 1 person on the field at a time able to "tag out" or get assists (from things like echoes in WuWa or bangboos in ZZZ)...the ONLY thing I can think of is MvC style tag fighting games. It's like, i couldn't think of a MORE 1 to 1 comparison if I tried. So when having one of the action fighting gachas described to me the FIRST thing that comes to mind is the overlap that exists in the playstyle with every single team based fighting game (which were popularized by....Capcom). Side-note, I thought of some of the reasons for overlap, and after reading all Gacha Smack's valid points, I recognized he didn't even touch on the character obsessions that develop in both communities, everyone's connected to their favorite's fighting style/drip/looks. Further, the art style appeals to similar demographics...you'll find DROVES of anime fans in both communities. The ONLY thing that I can perceive fighting game players being turned off by is the monetization. However, that's a case by case basis, because gambling is UBER-prevalent in fighting game communities, so while it may turn SOME off, for others, it's the exact OPPOSITE...that's the most subjective of ALL the takes here though.

It's hilarious to me because there's a video recently that talked about how there's also a FFXIV (forgot if it was MMO as a whole) to vs fighting pipeline going on because of the multi tasking going on in both genres and I find that pretty hilarious

As someone whose been playing fighting games and gacha games for years. What originally drew me to gacha games is the fact that so much of their combat is derived clearly from Capcom fighting games like street fighter. Plus there are so many games that are literally blueprints of a fighting game with gacha aspects. MKX Mobile, Injustice 1 and 2, Marvel Contest of Champions those are all fighting games with a huge gacha mechanic.

Has anyone of them heard of Granblue Fantasy?

@AgentSephiroth

27 күн бұрын

DING DING DING

@dilucragnvindr130

27 күн бұрын

Yes they do. They mentioned and review it before on streams.

@Luk850

27 күн бұрын

The dead fighting game?

@JJtheProGamer

27 күн бұрын

​@@Luk850 nah, that's DNF Duel lol

@SirePuns

27 күн бұрын

@@Luk850 Rising, the one that was featured in this year’s EVO. Also was featured in Dreamhack 3 weeks ago. Calling it dead is a hilarious exaggeration.

Agreed brother its ganna be dope af

So I’m about half way in as of this comment and I wholeheartedly agree with Smack so far, I actually happen to indulge in both gacha and fighting games far past what one may call a casual and I can tell you that the design of characters as well as their combat + animations are HUGE appeals on both ends, enough so to even convince one to play a certain game they otherwise wouldn’t consider.

After your response on fighting games I’m a fan lol, plus we gotta run a set on tekken or something 😂. Great video by the way

Love fighting games. Love gacha games. If you like both thumbs up.

Sometimes Tectone's ego and feeling he's always right brings some good comical relief. And he's so oblivious to it EDIT 1 day later: So today Tec did a pre-watched and scripted take on this video. Man came better prepared than Joe Biden, that's for sure.

@williamzou8833

26 күн бұрын

It got really bizarre when he went into a FG streamer's stream and asked whether the streamer is excited for the collab. It was funny but unnecessary for the discussion regarding "interest per capita".

Can confirm, was huge into fighting games before anger issues made me stop. Mostly into jrpgs now and there was always a huge overlap between the two in the community. This transfers to gacha for the same base reason. FGC loves anime. Fighting games, action games, jrpgs and gacha all overlap when they are flashy and anime.

lol you're actually spot on. As a novice fighting games enjoyer, who hasn't played that many fighting games, but watches others do it online, I enjoy watching them for the exact reasons you listed. It might be a pain for me to do it but it's pleasant to watch others play.

Game is not even out yet, what collabs are they talking about

@marcuskane1040

27 күн бұрын

Just pointless yappin - that's what some gacha content creators are slowly turning into

@tyriqueadams4326

27 күн бұрын

same thing i wondering

@vanitas9837

27 күн бұрын

Collabs with Streetfighter if I remember correctly

@HousekiMitai

27 күн бұрын

There was a roundtable ZZZ x SF6 so Smack was basically imagining how cool it would be if this turns out as a collab in the future.

@dilucragnvindr130

27 күн бұрын

The one that recently got released by Hoyo ZZZ devs where they talk with Capcom but nothing official yet of what they have been talked about. Everyone thinks that it's about collab because there should be a reason why Hoyo released that they talk with Capcom.

For your first part it sounds like you’re advocating for the correct appeal to authority, but as you realize you must first establish the relevancy of said authority. This is probably the most important step for the argument. (Tec didn’t explicitly call for a relevant authority, but your rebuttal was a pretty good response). Wrt to the net loss tec seems to largely be referring to opportunity cost not net loss. However, focusing on the market saturation point is a compelling counter. Any evidence would make the argument near definitive imo. As a broad framework your counter argument did everything it needed to imo. There’s a few ‘holes’ someone could poke at, but it’s largely inconsequential and more importantly would sink any constructive arguments (for example tec could continue to dismiss the authorities as not relevant enough, but said logic would question his own authoritative statements). I won’t be going through them (this is not a court of law lol), but any future args are essentially tightening the one you made here. It’s all about finding the relevant authority (only hoyo and capcom likely has the statistical data to show anything one way or the other). Lastly, one thing that would have made your argument stronger is analyzing Capcom’s reason for accepting the crossover. Ie what would the hoyo pitch to them likely have looked like (other than a cheque). Is it likely that Capcom wishes to grow their audience? If you can argue that then it would clearly show that the greatest fighting game authorities believe there may be a cross pollination of markets. (There are a few ways to construct said argument but my comment too long lol).

@utilae1

27 күн бұрын

A judge would look at a previous case to set precedent. Like the case of Summoners War x Street Fighter, would give the best understanding of this whole argument.

ever since I got my first ps2, I've been hooked on Tekken. I've played every installment since and every installment before and now I'm into both fighting games AND gacha games... what has my life come to...

FGC and gacha player here, to ask the real questions are you gonna be playing Sparking Zero this year?

FGC fan here : ZZZ doing a collab with capcom is the most OBVIOUS collab ever. I don't see why anybody would disagree with this. If you disagree : you're simply not educated when it comes to the FGC.

animation cancels combos frame trapped unsafe reaction time hit lag tech meter management tag assist (QTEs) It is fun thinking how much came from fighting games and specifically Capcom games. The Street Fighter and Tekken gacha games were also pretty popular among FGC even beyond their sponsored videos and streams. FGC players love minmax, optimal, and any form of comparison to other players. They ALSO love a game far less anxiety inducing than the FG they grind. JWong always plays gachas just because they are chill but still allow him to grind and minmax. Not to mention, the 50/50 is actually also from FGC. Option select, guessing, and 50/50 make up a lot of the hypest moments for FGC players because it's always a bit of a gamble at the highest level. So, it's really not a stretch. That said though, my issue with the collab is Hoyo. I'd feel different if it was Kuro, even though I honestly think Hoyo is a more capable developer, but Hoyo was far beyond what ZZZ was in terms of appeal to FG players with A Post Honkai Odyssey (APHO). They took a turn specifically for casuals with Genshin by choice and I'm not convinced they're actually giving up on that route yet. Especially looking at the gameplay for ZZZ. I think the game will do well and the collab would do well for the above reasons, but I'm not excited about the game just because of Hoyo themselves. If they ever make APHO into a modern game, then I'll buzz. It's wild, I was listening to Euphoria and realized that Kendrick's feelings toward Drake defined how I feel about Hoyoverse. Undoubtable talent but doubtable intent. Gacha "colonizers." They're with you if you line up with money, but if you're not the most profitable option, they're gone. Kuro obviously wants that money too, but they're, at least from how it seems so far, trying to bring their fans with them instead of curbing them like Hoyo did to the players that funded Genshin's development. So, that's my take. I'm willing to let Hoyo, change my mind, but not expecting anything different from them yet. The thing the FGC knows best is that the FGC is not easy money for players or developers. I would be surprised if there were many fresh whales among them as they barely like spending $5 on a character every season 🤣.

Sp00ky, pretty much the OG FGC Streamer, is a gacha game player. Rico Suave, a great SF player, also is well known to play other gacha games in the past. Most Gacha Games collab with Guilty Gear... a FIGHTING GAME. There is a Street Fighter & King of Fighters Gacha Game as well that people play. Why would you think there isn't FGC overlap with gacha players? I was a Fighting Game player long before I was a Gacha Game player. This is such an insane hill to die on to me.

@utilae1

27 күн бұрын

Summoners War x Street Fighter happened as well.

Chun li/ Juri in zenless might actual make me consider playing it

@ggrimmfield5529

27 күн бұрын

A shit, that actually a thing to think about 😮😮

@kkodeko

26 күн бұрын

Juri 😭