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@fluffstar_
Жыл бұрын
Is there a calibration facility on the Chinese key cutter? Run that, the probe and reamer may be out of line. Or the reamer is wrong diameter or extremely worn. Also tighten up all bolts, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to check. You could always rerun the program on the same key, to see if it cuts more on the second pass. Good luck 🤞
@CCW1911
Жыл бұрын
3D printing keys works and probably cheaper.
@dirty2jz283
Жыл бұрын
Recalibrate the machine, should come with an aluminum piece that fits in the jaw in order to perform calibration. Sometimes the probe could be bent as well so everything will be out of wack.
@jamethylachlan
Жыл бұрын
What happened to Sage?
@randomchannel9331
Жыл бұрын
@@CCW1911 You will end up with a lot of broken keys, not to mention how would that work for chipped keys?
The probe and cutting bit need to be calibrated. Poke around in the settings menu and see if there is an option to calibrate or zero the probe to the bit. An adjustment might be in one of the holders of the probe or the cutting bit.
@stampedetrail2003
Жыл бұрын
Maybe replace the bit, oh you already said that.
@nickkip459
Жыл бұрын
Also make sure the cutting bit and the reading bit are the right diameter to what the tablet thinks it should be
@kkrobertson1
Жыл бұрын
Thank Brett Farrar, I was about to suggest the same-thing. I believe you need to do a re-cal every-time you change keys.
@Mr74datsun260z
Жыл бұрын
Also make sure the cutting tool is the correct diameter.
@kwinterburn
Жыл бұрын
spot on
I love how Sam had a lockpickinglawyer moment
@PoisonStore
Жыл бұрын
You beat me to it.
@ILoveMyBikes
Жыл бұрын
Even saying things like a little click out of 5 haha
@Abdullah.h
Жыл бұрын
Nothing on one …
@DanHillman
Жыл бұрын
Everyone was waiting for it!
@benje302
Жыл бұрын
And he did it 4 times to prove it was not a fluke he failed. 🤣🤣🤣
I am posting this about halfway through the video. It seems that the machine needs to be calibrated. The fact that all of the keys are off by the same amount tells me this. What's great is that due to the way they were cut, you can reuse almost all of the badly cut keys. All except the one which the cut is in the center of the key. Pay attention to the binning and notice that it cuts them according to how it how they are displayed. I'm pretty sure that it is an extremely easy fix.
@ericsteele7104
Жыл бұрын
I think it needs calibrated also and I wonder if there’s a hardware update download for it like my xhorse machine has.
@SATX_09
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was thinking that also especially when he showed the way it cut them... I'm not an expert or anything I just tinker with stuff.
It only scans one side of the key because both sides on that style key are identical. That's why you can insert the key into the lock either way and it will work.
Dude I need like 10 keys made. Might be cheaper for me to fly you in to Chicago, put you in an $8 a night motel on the Southside and have you make me keys for a day. Let me know how that sounds.
@MrHamad002
Жыл бұрын
That’s a good deal if you ask me
@madskills221
Жыл бұрын
It’s an 8 dollars an hour hotel right
@swift5302
Жыл бұрын
Like 100 dollers to cut a Lexus key had it done for my Lexus gs300
@joec3897
Жыл бұрын
You need to find a good local locksmith Alex. Most good locksmiths will cut and program your key for under $100 if you can take the car to them.
@grahamcampbell9261
Жыл бұрын
@@joec3897 It was a joke - Alex pranking Sam
As a manufacturing maintenance manager and former technician. You probably need to baseline the equipment because it is out of calibration. You do that by writing down the distance it should cut to and the actual cut and then input the reference offset into the reference screen…..older machines not ran by servo or stepper drives have mechanical offset usually a set screw or shoulder bolt on the home reference sensor.
The Lock Picking Lawyer revealing his identity finally…😏
@AlexMunoz-xr4zu
Жыл бұрын
Fr same exact sayings as him
@mikefightmaster
Жыл бұрын
It was a Fluke.
@Seaside33
Жыл бұрын
How is the lock pick tool spelt Sam ? Ace video btw as always
@nicholasvinen
Жыл бұрын
@@Seaside33 lishi
@mikefightmaster
Жыл бұрын
@@Seaside33 Look up Covert Companion. That's LPL's store.
#1 make sure that the machine is calibrated. #2 make sure that the cuts the machine is displaying on the screen match your key before cutting. None of the cuts were correct. #3 make sure you are on wifi and also check if the machine needs an app to update.
@benjaminsmith9943
Жыл бұрын
Came here to say this: calibration!!
@cyberhikerdd
Жыл бұрын
For sure calibration, on that last key it looked like it detected the cuts in the original based on the display but didn't cut the blank accurately.
@fitodaking16
Жыл бұрын
@@cyberhikerdd I own the Dolphin XP-005L. My machine updates from time to time and the app itself it's constantly updating. I can tell his key-cutting machine ain't calibrated correctly. Even thou it looks like the machine is decoding the key as it should it's not. It has way too many 0's. He should have compared the key to the decoded key display on the screen. He could have saved all that trouble and hassle. I guess he did it for the video. I would have used blank keys instead of proximity/transponder keys. Honestly, since all he needs is to duplicate keys, I would have gone with the dolphin XP-007. The same price as the machine in the video plus doesn't need to be plugged in. Easy to use
In my experience when a CNC is acting like that it’s because the 0 point is not set properly. See if you can recalibrate the coordinate system for the cutter. Also like other ppl said- get a new bit. Smaller bit size than what it is calibrated for would cause that issue too
@Nauaudis4
Жыл бұрын
Was thinking the exact same thing. Seems to be cutting way less material than it should be. Either it has the wrong bit in place (or wrong bit programmed, or the bit is bad) or there is a way to program your zero. I also wonder if key width is universal? If not, I wonder if key width can be programmed in some way?
@brealdeal3658
Жыл бұрын
Yes I agree, could be the Home position is not correct.
@hotboy197988
Жыл бұрын
I agree 👍 💯 recalibrate I was thinking the same thing. By seeing how it automatically finds points. Then comes back to cut first thought was this is a mini CNC and needs calibration.
@Kevin-xi6ts
11 ай бұрын
I thought of that first
Make sure the endmill (cutter) is new and the right size. Your cutting steel without coolant. There will be wear rather quick on the cutter.
@Pugjamin
Жыл бұрын
Keys aren’t generally made of steel. Normally brass, hence the gold colour to the chips and cut surface.
@joec3897
Жыл бұрын
The keys are brass so the bits don’t wear out very fast. The machine either needs to be calibrated, may have a bent feeler tip, or may just be broken.
@bryanhough
Жыл бұрын
My first thought as well. Probably a worn out cutter.
@russellhltn1396
Жыл бұрын
@@joec3897 Since it doesn't work from the numbers (last segment) and it detects numbers but fails to cut them, I was going to go for a calibration issue. But I can see how a warn cutter would cause the calibration to shift over time. Either way, I think it's worth more poking around rather than giving up on it. I'd first check to see if there's a calibration mode.
@Beer_Dad1975
Жыл бұрын
I think the machine just needs servicing, something on it is worn out or incorrectly calibrated. Probably really hard to find someone who knows how to service them though.
Professional automotive locksmith here: Calibrate the key machine.🙈😂 The escalade did NOT require that programmer, if there is 1 set...turn door key 6 times, screen will pop up "ready for key #.." (Discontinued 2016+) Picking the lock is one thing...originating a NEW key to work properly is another.
Protip: if you buy a replacement key with a keypad and the plastic has a rough textured feel to it, take it apart and wet sand the plastic with a high grit sand paper like 2000. Makes a huge difference to how it feels. I’ve also bought cheap keyless entry kits before that have cheap plastic feeling remotes. I smooth them then add some weight inside. A nickle or some other coin works really well.
@Revengetoyourliver
Жыл бұрын
I was just about to type the same exact thing that is so odd
Sam does his Lockpicking Lawyer impression flawlessly
I like this direction towards the DIYers. This was a very informative video. There only so many broken cars you can fix on KZread to be original. Your style will always be special tough.
9:31, you need to be using that "calibrate" button, or something like it, on the left side of the tablet screen. You have an offset issue on the cutting tool. The machine is behaving as if it thinks the cutting tool is larger than it actually is physically. Somewhere there should be an option to set the cutting tool diameter. Set the tool diameter smaller by 1/2 the amount that the key is oversize. Alternatively it could be an issue where the machine thinks the measuring probe is larger than it actually is. It's quite possible the probe and the cutter are supposed to be the same diameter, but you can see that your probe is smaller than the cutting tool. Perhaps someone replaced the probe or cutter with one of a different size, or the probe diameter is set incorrectly in the machine settings. Hopefully it's possible to change them., Or with marginal Chinese manufacturing, they simply supplied it with the wrong size tool or probe. If it's any of the above issues, it's a very easy fix once you find the way to adjust the setting.
I finally stole my first car today, this video really gave me that confidence. Thanks Sam, keep up the good work
@johnrazor8720
Жыл бұрын
Bring my damn car back!😊
@Gijz74
Жыл бұрын
Yep. This was a nice Stealing Cars tutorial video. And exactly how cars in our neighborhood got stolen.
I am not familiar with that machine, but I have cut many keys manually and this machine is not even cutting them close. I like the idea of buying a newer cutter like this that will do newer models. Now you know what to ask for you next purchase. (Must do whatever newer vehicles you might own) Sam, I am shocked you gave up on cutting your own. It must be doable! We always learn from you not being scared to try something new.
Sam is the Lock Picking Lawyer! 😮 Face reveal!
Lock picking lawyer does a great job explaining how to use tools like this, sells them, and shows how locks with so called secure ratings are not so great. It's a great resource of knowledge.
Looking forward to part 2 when you try the machine again after re-calibrating. It is significant that the same problem arose when cutting from settings rather than a master - must be the mill that is set too far from any blank.
You should have brought a key blank for whatever vehicle you drove to pick up key machine with and had the seller demo the key cutter and try the newly cut key right there before purchasing.
Great stuff! I like these kinds of videos in your line up! You always do an excellent and comprehensive job with relaying usable information through these. Thanks!
When I cut keys (in a hardware store), it was very important to run them back and forth on the wire wheel. Not only for removing burs, but also for rounding the edges to make them the same as the originals.
Sam is the chicken farmer version of The Lock Picking Lawyer.
@FVPS904
Жыл бұрын
LPL already sent a cease and desist
@tiborklein5349
Жыл бұрын
So... A Cock Picking Lawyer?
@ssenssel
Жыл бұрын
@@tiborklein5349 Badumtiss 😉
I would think the cutting die is worn and needs replaced. But that was a informative video..thanks Sam
There may be problem with the material of the blanks. I bought this sort of blank for VW GOLF from 2002, I went to the guy that cuts the keys he said that he cant use my blank because it is made of cheaper, harder material and that it wouldnt cut it well enough. He replicated the key on to the blank that he has and everything works perfectly. He had very similar machine as this one in the video.
As many have pointed out already the machine needs calibration done first before you cut. I have used similar machines before and they come with a blank specifically for calibration. Also it does look like on the Ram key at least like the cuts are in the right spots just not deep enough. This could be caused by the pit end mill not being the right size or type. Also most keys are identical on both sides so it only needs to measure one side and just cut it the same on both.
Absolutely love this type of video. Please do more. 👍
I bought an older completely manual key cutting machine off marketplace for like $50 and have used it to cut keys for my cars successfully. I love the idea of that computer controlled machine but it definitely needs some work to be useful.
Bless you Sam. We are so thankful here for you at Ark Autosales and all the wonderful information you provide. You continue to grow our thirst for knowledge. Have a happy thanksgiving and keep doing what you are doing!
You gotta adjust the cutting axis depth or use a larger bit. Looks like it’s a setup issue, not an electronics problem.
The best key cutters are the manual ones. I have a pantograph one that has a little mill like yours on a sprung arm that holds it up, so you just pull gently down on it and follow around the original around with a feeler, and the mill follows exactly the same path. You can do those key blades with it as well as long as you set it up with the end mill set to the same depth as the feeler. Only thing to consider is that if the feeler and end mill are exactly the same size, duplicating an old key will duplicate the wear as well.
@Pugjamin
Жыл бұрын
That’s not going to be able to cut a new blade from a decoded lock though.
@KlockworXMusic
Жыл бұрын
@Ben Gray No but neither does his if you watch the video to the end! 😂 There are other ways to cut keys from decoded cylinders. Point is if someone wants a key cutting machine, manual ones are better then CNC ones, unless you're paying big money.
i think your best bet is the manual key cutting machine. they will just take the codes or do a copy if you have the original. You will find the original keys get very warn and the ignition also gets warn with the key. Sometimes attempting to make a new key with the original code will not work due to the wear.
This is some throw back samcrac content right here! This was an amazing video. One of the reasons I originally subscribed.
Great stuff. Anything that helps car owners save time and avoid huge costs has got to be good.
Jack Meyers has a video talking about the calibration setup of the key cutter. November of 2017. Probe tips need to be installed in the probe and cutter position then run the calibration. Probable best to watch his video.
Sam, thank you so much for this. I am definetly going to invest in tools like these.
That was an awesome video and no sugarcoating the failed key cutter. Thanks Sam
Sam... great video. I'm one who DOES appreciate vids like this. Keep 'em coming.
That programmer is really tempting, I have 2 keys that need to be made and most of the other ones I've seen require a subscription.
I would check if the cutters diameter in your machine is the same as the actual cutter diameter. From past experiences setting up / operating a CNC, If CNC thinks the cutter is bigger than actual, less material will be removed. If cnc thinks cutter is thinner, more material would be removed. A couple of the keys have very little material removed. Hope this helps.
Definitely do more videos like this. Really fun, helpful and educational
I like the new direction of the channel! How to make keys, making your Ferrari a manual, fixing the r8 frame (ok, this one is older), the Escalade project, etc. Not just cool cars, but a unique twist not seen anywhere else.
Hardware stores here (home depot and lowe's) will not cut blanks not purchased from them and my local lock smith charged $20 per key to cut and programming was extra $200. Your machine probably need a calibration.
yup, +1 for the get new bit and check your zero calibration for that cutter. its wayyyy off. there's a like, $15 calibration block of a piece of aluminum thats a specific size, and you run some mode in the tablet and it should in theory fix it. kukai-cblock-part the machine is the kukai sec-e9 (in theory). with that and a new cutter, it should be squared away. bonus points if you already have the block and didn't realize it.
If ever i get a key problem ,this video is really educational ,will save me cash , brilliant video ,thanks Sam .
Hey Sam, Thanks again for clear explanation, valuable knowledge, and empowering us!
machine needs calibration -- I'll give you $200 for it
@tevarisburton7614
13 күн бұрын
😂
This was a great video Sam. Ive spent $1200 getting a key replaced for a 2016 LR4 after being told only the dealer could program the fob without a key. May have to look into this if it happens again. Hard to stomach that cost for what is obviously 20min worth of work.
@lsimson
Жыл бұрын
unfortunetly an all keys lost on a Range Rover is eemprom. (gotta pull a module, solder onto it etc, Advanced Key makiing) if it was only an add key usually it can be done. but anthing newer tends to be eemprom only especially most luxary and euro vehicles.
Apart from what's been mentioned by other replies I would add . use the right diameter cutter for specific applications. Also a sharp /new cutter would improve things a lot. Great and informative video Sam😊
Dude, I learn so much from you, you just can’t make a bad video.
Don't give up on the Chinese key cutter, it just needs to be calibrated. And maybe a new cutter bit.
I have an automated machine and they all need to be calibrated... specially after an end-mill change (which it looks like yours had had). You might quiz the manufacturer on how to do the calibration after a mill change.
Good topic, keep these coming. My neighbor had to junk his old Toyota due to lock and immobilizer issues.
Loved this video. Thank you Samcrac
Please do more videos like this, very helpful. I had to pay $800 to have my Lexus key fobs made and it is highway robbery. Anything we can do to break the strangle hold the dealers have on us fixing cars, the better.
@EricOsterberg
Жыл бұрын
Find a local locksmith.
i wonder if the lockpicking lawyer has a fancy machine like this? i bet he would love it as a xmas gift.
@ko9446
Жыл бұрын
He doesn’t need keys
@Guillotines_For_Globalists
Жыл бұрын
@@ko9446 One of his latest videos, he used the key to open the lock and made a video about it. What a douche.
@TIMMEH19991
Жыл бұрын
He does have a key cutting machine, its been in a few of his vids, but I think its a traditional one where the cutter mechanically follows the key that's being copied.
@thomasdupras5773
Жыл бұрын
@@TIMMEH19991 He does have a manual machine but it can use templates so he can cut by code. It's just cutting manually though, lpl can handle that with ease, lol
@j.a.r.family2576
Жыл бұрын
He sells them and I think makes them
Lost my second keyfob for an AUDI TT last week, here in brazil I got quote almost 1.5k for a replacement fob, ordered it from europe directly (from another dealer) for $500, still its a month+ wait. Great video.
I simply manually cut a key for my Ford with a file. I edged up on every cut until the key worked. The trial and error process took awhile though but for one key wasn't too bad. More confidence in the method would make it faster but I didn't want to remove any more material than required to make it work.
I would think that the diameter of the endmill is set wrong in the machine or something.
Yeah with the machine I have, I just "decode" the key myself, each key "code" is just the depth of cut in each position, you can actually get an "analog" key decoder and just manually input the cut numbers yourself :) EDIT: well looks like you did do that near the end of the video lol.
That’s a good video. Keep going with special tools videos Sam
This was actually a good video, it will help others understand the process for sure. You cutter needs to get calibrated for sure.
Any T-SHIRT company, please sponsor Samcrac. His PUMA and COBRA t-shirts are growing old on this channel.
I wonder if the key cutter has options for the diameter of the cutting bit, or a calibration. I looks like it simply is off a tick or so, like if the software thought it had a 4mm cutter in it and it actually had a 3mm cutter, it would cut too shallow, which it looked like it was doing.
Very interesting and informative Sam, I liked it.
Very good video. I do like these ones about useful diy tools so yeah, please mix these in with your regular videos.
Cool. Now finish other projects first. 😂
@shroombles
Жыл бұрын
i mean this was a great video but sure
If anyone can find a way to make things cheaper that is the Sam”s way.
Good info Sam. Just ordered one of those TopDon key fob programmers. That’s going to come in handy I buy a lot of vehicles auction places with no keys. That’s going to save me a ton of money
Sam - Love your channel. I can see myself going down the same rabbit holes you do, with similar rationalizations. Ha! Great content. Thanks!
He sounds just like the lock picking lawyer. Lol. “Little click on one” 😂 and of course that’s where he bought it.
its great info when you show these cool tools it is very appreciated thanks
Great info! Have an old Jeep that I need to sort out some keying issues and trying to figure out the best approach that doesn't cost a fortune.
I don't quite understand why you need this very expensive automatic key cutter, where I dupe my keys they use a manual tool that you just have to slide over your key while the new one gets cutted on the other end. BTW, we don't really need the key code for your Rover, you just gave us high quality pictures of the keyblades of all of your cars, we can even 3D print them...
@Pugjamin
Жыл бұрын
This tool is designed primarily for cutting from a decoded lock, not for duplicating. You can’t do that with normal key cutting machines.
@YOEL_44
Жыл бұрын
@@Pugjamin 3D print a decoded keyblade and duplicate to a real one, for how much 3D printers cost now, you still save quite a buck.
@joec3897
Жыл бұрын
The reason to use a code machine like this is to go back to factory cuts. Keys are brass and wear over time, when you use a manual duplicator you are starting the key with cuts that are already degraded from what they should be. This reduces the longevity of the key and also keeps the brand new key from working as well as it could in some cases.
@YOEL_44
Жыл бұрын
@@joec3897 Hmm... yeah I could see that.
Home depot cut a ford focus key for me for free. Couldn't charge me because I didn't purchase the key blank from them.
@bobanmilz6512
Жыл бұрын
Same for me, happened today. I felt bad and bought the guy some pop. 2 keys
@Moonsauc3
Жыл бұрын
@@bobanmilz6512 I have had them turn me down once, but it was because of the material the key blank was made of. Brass is okay.
@bobanmilz6512
Жыл бұрын
@@Moonsauc3 Ace turned me down because I didn’t but the keys from them..
@Moonsauc3
Жыл бұрын
@@bobanmilz6512 so.. Ace isn't the place OR the helpful hardware store.
this is a very helpful video because its a nightmare to get cars from the auction with out a key and have problems to move the car outside the auction yard, i had f up tires on cars that the steering wheel its locked and you have to tow the vehicle or that you already have it on a tow bar and then you find out that the key its missing so it does help to know there is an alternative to this problem that doesent involve the steelership
They key programmers...glad you found one that works. Locksmiths either send you to the dealer, or charge more to program them.
I bet it's the cutting tool is worn. Thanks for the great video. I love the variety of the content on your channel.
I really liked this vid !! Why do we have too get ripped off so blatantly when getting our cars repaired ! Thanks Sam . Keep up the good work !!!
Topdon programmer 👍 Chinese cutting machine 💩
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Жыл бұрын
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Жыл бұрын
@Christopher Ugonna all traders lose sometimes, to claim otherwise is naive.
Topdon is sweet. I got a scanner with your code and it worked a treat on my Camaro and my wife's Infiniti.
Wow, informative stuff. Good vid Sam
I definitely enjoyed this video. This is good content so please make more. Thanks!
With the TOPDON T-Ninja tool you said about the deleting key function. I know a few makes of cars where you can only have so many keys like 3 or 4 programmed to that 1 car. So if the car has been through many hands and is a few or more years old you buy it then try programming a key and it wont let you because the car is still holding on to keys that u haven't got so the brain needs keys deleting before any more new ones can be added. I had this and had to pay a handsome amount to have the keys deleted before i could add my new key fob which some times older cars have simple hacks to add fobs without a tool.
Awesome video I love how you showed how to program fobs with that programmer
Great video. I cut my own Silverado laser key on my CNC mill. Scanned it on a flatbed scanner, and modeled it in CAD, programmed the g-code and cut a couple spare keys - worked the first try. Unfortunately I had to go to a dealership to have the fobs programmed. Now I have to make one for my daughters Toyota key for my daughter's car...
There are a range of lishi lock picking tools depending on your car so it's like the old key programming tools you would need the one for your car manufacturer, though it should cover other makes as well.
Very interesting, I liked this kind of video. If one of us DIY people could actually figure it out, it would drive down those expensive costs from dealerships.
18:00 SAMMY has been watching the LOCK PICKING LAWYER.
Sam, I really enjoyed this video-more please
I would love to see more like this!
Excellent video! Loved it!✌️
Another great video. Keep up the great work!
*Hint. Cover the remote part of the key with painters tape, before you start the cutting. It will keep any brass chips from getting into the button holes by chance. Great video as always.
Great video idea man, really enjoyed it.
A very interesting video. I certainly wasn't aware that so many manufacturers have remotes that are so similar in construction to each other.
I recently had to program two new keys and fobs for a 2005 Mitsubishi Verada. I just followed the instructions and they were all programme a the same time by me from inside the car and without any special piece of equipment. But then it was a 2005 so maybe they were very basic and easy to program.