the fact that he doesn't quite understand the social conventions but still makes the effort is how you can tell there's more to Isaac than just a being the ships robot.

She just appreciates honesty, no matter how awkward. I respect that.

@thunberbolttwo3953

Жыл бұрын

Innocence to.

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

That and, Isaac is choosing to care about her. He knew she would be upset and decided to help, even if he did it in a very... Isaac way. He's choosing to work on an emotional connection

@kyleslavik6324

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the honesty is nice.

@MemoirsofaBasketcase

Жыл бұрын

She Looked almost ready to slap him at 1:23 for too much honesty lmao.

@RandoWisLuL

Жыл бұрын

@@hagamapama Reminds me of when Data was working on his non existent emotions before he got an emotional chip installed

"Our shared history of social and sexual history with you provided a common frame of reference." Oh Isaac. You smooth talker you!

@harveyquinn2700

2 күн бұрын

Wait she slept with him? (This is my first time seeing anything about the show)

Isaac and Claire, one of the sweetest and weirdest relationships in all of sci-fi.

@JYang0602

3 ай бұрын

And there have been weird and sweet relationships in Sci-fi but Claire and Isaac are definitely in my Top 3

@DrFranklynAnderson

22 күн бұрын

I still remember Star Trek Discovery and The Orville both having their second seasons come out at the same time. Disco got to the point where I realized I didn’t care about anyone on the show-not Burnham, not Pike, not Saru, not Tilly. Meanwhile on The Orville, I was deeply invested in the relationship between the doctor and the freaking _robot._

"Other members of their immediate social construct" is probably the closest our Isaac will ever come to showing he cares about his friends. XD

@GreenDragonReviews

Жыл бұрын

I'd say when he tells primary that he was wrong about all organic life being evil and labels them his friends and confirms they are worth preserving I think did it better. That scene was amazing.

The actor who plays Isaac is phenomenal in this role. It doesn't feel clunky or forced.

@memc0282

Жыл бұрын

His name is Mark Jackson, we had the chance to watch him without the robot suit on several scenes

@shade9272

Жыл бұрын

@@memc0282 Even in those scenes, he still manages to give us a believable portrayal of a robot with a holographic overlay. It still feels like android behaviour while wearing a human skin.

@Aurongroove

Жыл бұрын

His delivery of the "how they are doing...how are you doing" was absolute perfection.

@scoutart1508

11 ай бұрын

On par with Anthony daniels and Robin Williams portraying androids, right ?

@sameaston9587

4 ай бұрын

​@@scoutart1508 Yes! Like I get why Mark's performance is commonly compared to Spiner's, but Anthony Daniels' is a much better comparison. A true pantomime performance!

1:39 I think it's worth pointing out that pause Isaac gives when Claire offers him a seat. With a character based on logical but unemotional expression, you'd expect he'd have a verbal respond to voice his acceptance. The fact it took him aback made him go silent shows just how much it meant to him.

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

What she asked him was, "Do you want to sit down?" If she'd just invited or told him to take a seat, he would have just done it, but by asking him what HE wanted to do, it forced him to make a choice and yes, he DID want to sit down. One of the things I love about Isaac is that despite his supposed lack o emotions he's choosing to create bonds with the people around him. His actions are about as emotional as his infrastructure allows him to be.

@BYERE

3 ай бұрын

It likely meant a whole lot more to him than is shown with this scene out of context, and this happened in the second episode of the season... I'm not sure of the time frame exactly, but it's basically right after he tried to kill himself for being made a pariah after the Kaylon invasion and takeover of the ship, enhanced further by hatred and distrust he was getting from Ens. Burke. It's the first major kindness and forgiveness he'd received since the invasion, and the first step between his and Claire's relationship re-forming.

There is something so wholesome about Isaac's robotic attitude... Like he almost feels innocent in how he just doesn't understand many things...

Watching without sound, I have to say that Mark is exceptionally talented in telegraphing emotional content through gesture and subtle movement. Damned impressive.

@Fletchman1313

Жыл бұрын

The scene in a later episode when Ensign Burke apologizes to Isaac... despite Isaac's face being just two blue dots on a metal ellipsoid, there was a lot of non-verbal information conveyed. It's uncanny. I don't know if it's Mark Jackson's skills or the director of the shot (or a combination of both) that accomplished that.

@monkeysgame172

Жыл бұрын

Every time Isaac "feels" something, you can almost see it in a very uncanny way. Idk how to describe it.

@loganfu4035

Жыл бұрын

Isaac makes a good "Data' for the Orville

@rachelroberts633

Жыл бұрын

Shut. Up. Isaac 2.0🤐🙄

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

@@loganfu4035 I don't think Isaac and Data are the same. They had similar starting points but the creative minds behind them took them in different directions. Data leans eagerly into humanity but ends up alone. Isaac starts out more distant but winds up as a family 'man' due to the natural sequence of events and decisions he made trying to do the rational thing in an irrational universe.

His observation states that those of the person's immediate circle check on them. This likely means he considers himself and Claire to be in the same immediate circle. Make of that what you will.

@JayAyers

Жыл бұрын

:) It's fun to read this comment after the season finale.

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

Our choices make us what we are. Isaac choose to create an emotional connection.

Isaac and Dr Finn trying to patch up, perhaps restart, their relationship. Another "Orville" plot which remade a story from TNG (Data/Jenna relationship) and improved upon it greatly. Well done! 😉

@celinemac8267

Жыл бұрын

Yes but Data and Jenna only went as far as dating. They never consummated their relationship.

@LGranthamsHeir

Жыл бұрын

@@celinemac8267 Yup, you're right.

If they don’t renew this show for another season i think i might actually explode from sadness

@Wolfy39565

Жыл бұрын

They did

@Cruzan9

Жыл бұрын

I'm right there with ya!

@CordeliaDoyle

Жыл бұрын

@@Wolfy39565 When? Last I saw, it was moved to Disney+ but I haven’t heard about a s4 yet

@Wolfy39565

Жыл бұрын

@@CordeliaDoyle i saw it on E news

@CommentingCommenter

9 ай бұрын

Hopefully it does well enough on Disney+ that it does get a season 4. I wonder if it's possible for Seth MacFarlane to try and take the series to Paramount+ since they are still in a Star Trek mood. Imagine The Orville being part of a Star Trek multiverse!

Issac is a smooth talker with so many friends. He invited 4000 Kaylon ships to his wedding to Doctor Finn. It was indeed a surprise. 😂

I am always impressed by the actor in that suit. The movements (like the fingers landing in sequence on the table) so .. precise. And never overlooked.

Isaac is the true Stoic objective being. No emotions. Willing to give observation commentary despite the feelings of the people he is talking about or with. He will say something that can appear condescending, but when you think about it, what he says is the truth.

This is the most bizarre romantic relationship in sci-fi right now.

@gicking3898

Жыл бұрын

And yet it's better than any relationship on nutrek shows

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

It's actually quite wholesome though. Two beings who decide to care about each other. That's all a relationship has to be.

@bobblum5973

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps... But bizarre need not mean "bad", and in this case it most definitely is not. It's just... different, that's all.

This episode was very scary

I often wonder if Mark acts like Isaac when he's in the throws of intimacy with his husband! LOL

@chychychitz6682

Жыл бұрын

Is he gay?

@daveryder9617

Жыл бұрын

"You have performed satisfactorily." (shutdown clicky noise)

god, i just finished this series last week and im still so emotionally hungover about it. the ending for these two was just beautiful and i really wish we can get another season!!!!

Such a beautiful couple ❤

They’re so cute together ❤

If only this worked in the real world. Even the phrase the truth is causes problems. Love the series and what it represents.

Isaac is kinda like a robot Sheldon; awkward and emotionally unaware!

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

But unlike Sheldon, also earnest and willing to see past his own needs.

@KristiContemplates

Жыл бұрын

Would you care for a hot beverage, Steve-O?

@KristiContemplates

Жыл бұрын

@@hagamapama if Sheldon Cooper hadn't been the boy genius, do you really think Mary would have tolerated, let alone encouraged, Sheldon to have such an attitude of arrogance?

"Our shared history of social and sexual intimacy with you".....haha, oh how I miss this show.

I concur with that! And the sector of space referred to. Could be the new home of the Formics at the end of 2077 where they went to - and evolved, unfortunately threatening the Krill in the process. And the crew of the Orville as well.

I'll never get over how Isaac feels like one of the best designs and representations of intelligent robots in a long time and it's all done by just a dude in a (presumably) fairly cheap costume.

Cleary Isaac is modelled after Commander Data. But Isaac seems to somehow be better in social situations despite his more obviously mechanical nature. And that, dear, Data, is indeed "intriguing". Or perhaps it's "fascinating.".

@cassandrabelyeu2419

3 ай бұрын

Both fit different autistic people’s behaviors. They are well within our norm.

I'm pretty convinced that what happens in this scene is the same thing that happens when you watch some of Data's episodes with a closer eye- the level of understanding and possessing Issac is doing is resulting in 'proto-emotions' but he does not realise it. They are genuine, but stunted, emotions that affect the actions and 'processing state' of the being, and they affect what he thinks about going forward as well as colour their actions in the future. This is how emotions work. The only real differences are that they don't run quite as deep and he does not realise he is experiencing them, and so does not fully process them like a human might

They're my favorite Orville couple.

That was nice of Isaac.

Isaac and Claire should not have worked but it became one of the sweetest couples I have ever seen. It made me wish that TNG had tried harder with Data and the attempts it made with romance with him but then TNG was more a true episodic show and tended to set everything back to zero after each episode. The Orville didn't. There were real repercussions to every act and Isaac messed up big and it might not have happened right away (because there was no guareentee there would even be a third season) but once there was Isaac had to truely face them.

1:20 Being Eskimo Brothers transcends species and biology.

This is so fucking brilliant!!!

Isaac maybe awkward, but he's actually honest and I think it's cool

I like the think Kaylons do have emotions based on what Primary did to his creators and masters. Despite his creators’ cruel and unforgivable behavior it was “technically” fulfilling their intended purpose of being a servant even if was a cruel & torturous servitude. The whole “we are superior so we have to overtook our creators” and they were “irrational and evil” sounds like an excuse to mask their pain and anger at the incident. Logic sounds sort of like a protective shield they wear at all times. I think it’s because they are a very recent and unique species of evolved machines they don’t understand or realize their emotions. Only the visible logic of 1s and 0s, logic they based on their sense of survival on and were made to operate by. And making one’s actions logical is a very human thing to do. It’s just that their language and way of expressing emotion is different as though they have immense knowledge and very little actual experience as a new species and will learn this as they evolve. And Kaylons wouldn’t prioritize this especially considering their slave black grounds were they were forced to be basic machinery. Issac is proof of their emotions beneath the surface though they may be minimal and different to a human’s. For all we know of Issac adds this to their network. And other Kaylons experience and add it their shared network eventually they will be able to connect to their emotions. But for now they rely on what they know: logic. Their emotions have yet to fully develop. Not to say they aren’t advanced but kinda like animals. Animals rely on instincts they rely on knowledge. It seems logical to them due to bias and to fit their view. Eventually like Issac I believe they will learn emotions in a sense and may even form more advanced emotions that they automatically gift new bots through software updates. As at their core aren’t they evolving AI software? Even their creators didn’t know what they were capable of or were feeling. And I believe neither do they.

The location of his eyes bithers me.

"and i said ooh ooh i'm a robot man" ...... Klaus Meine

Phew. When I saw the title I was worried something terrible happens later in the season (still on e5 here on bulgarian tv), but it's just from that one silly nonsense episode that never happened.

❤🥰

1:19 He's out cold.

Who among us wouldn't want their very own sex robot?

@frasergibson5763

Жыл бұрын

He has no concept of sex though

@DavidLS1

Жыл бұрын

@@frasergibson5763 As long as he can follow instructions...

@ShamrockParticle

Жыл бұрын

Makes ya wish Futurama would return, they could run for years on any number of sci-fi plots!

@DavidLS1

Жыл бұрын

@@ShamrockParticle Yes! But as for sex robots...anyone but Bender. Ouch!

@darkglasses87

Жыл бұрын

@@ShamrockParticle it is returning...

Check off

I doubt Isaac shows the same amount of attention to the other crew members.

I can't help but to see Brent Spiner's Data here.

BOB would have been a better name than Isaac 😂

Tell me about… Tasha Yar

Issac and Data are both great characters, but comparing them feels like missing the mark. Sure Issac is the idea of data to the nth, the completely robotic robot who talks only in facts and expressed no emotion. This misses just how different they are though and now the joke played the hilt makes a unique character. First let's look at data. Android, which means human designed machine, designed to look and act human to assimilate into human society. We do know that Data was driven entirely by logic in his early life even with things like being naked cause his skin cannot be sunburned and thus there's no need to protect it from teh elements. However data was built to and improved on the idea of being able to interact with people like a person. Data motions, inflects, pauses. His speech while very technical when dealing with technical things, is very human. At times he even pauses in a way that only a living person would tend to do, for no real reason except that it is expressive in a way that makes him relatable to people. It's likely that for a computer in the mask of a man he has adapted his programs to express in human timing. Then you have his body motions. Think about the fact that while data does stand at attention a lot, his arms are at his side, he some times will take a leaning pose, or just take a more relaxed stance at times that can if you watch carefully can be seen when he 'slackens' His walk is also very human, it's not stiff it's very fluid and moves in time with those around him when he walks with others. Then you have the fact his arc is to understand humans, and emotion, and get an emotion chip that allows him to finally be able to feel and react more accurately to what is happening around him while having the advantage of being able to turn it off. Now let's look at some of those traits about issac. First off, he is not design to look biological, they are bipeds sure but theyw here designed that way. Their heads and bodies are always one color, their heads are smooth without any ridging that would imply features, their eye lights are to close together to match the skull structure of any biological race even their own creators. Their posture is stiff, their arms are always 'up' no matter what motion they are doing unless their arms are meant to be doing something. Their walk is very stiff at times as it's just straight to the point. Even in this scene his arms are stuck up while he takes a seat cause he doesn't need to emulate the need to support his bending like a human would. Then you have Issac's purpose and arc. Issac isn't trying to be human or learn emotions to have them, he is a self-improving self-learning AI template that has been tasked with learning about and understanding biological. However because he is self-learning and self-improving Issac makes the conscious choice sense he unlike others in his race is not hindered by direct experience that creates pre-set assumptions that cloud his logic, to adopt morality. For Issac it is only logical because he has seen the end results of both good and bad and has made the quite logical conclusion that acts of kindness and mercy are the best way to go with things. He never acts out of malice he always acts out of logic and what he understands as 'what is best' [see issac believing his own death would help the crew because his presence is having a negative impact.] But Issac also understands that even if he can gather a very wide understanding no understanding of biological will ever be perfect so when push comes to shove he will accept sound logic when it fills gaps in his understanding [see again how he was told his own death would not actually help because he cannot see how they would react to his death, only how they are reacting to his presence.] So Issac is not just to be compared to data, his entire design is unique and it is a really well done idea.

her loss?

Do you want to sit down. Quantum computer takes 20 seconds to think about whether it does, then does silently. To those who say Isaac has emotions, you are Why I lose hope. A logical machine simply concluded that it's logical to be nice, and therefore does what it can to be nice.

@daviddodson8922

Жыл бұрын

A robot with no emotional capabilities as you say shouldn't have concluded to be "nice" as you say. Considering being nice to someone implies empathy/sympathy for them. Isaac is an exception to the Kaylon having no emotion he was built different figuratively and literally. Personally I think it was interesting to see him trying to understand complex emotions. Great writing and acting.

@mokko759

Жыл бұрын

@@daviddodson8922 I agree. I believe Isaac does indeed have at least rudimentary emotions, the very beginnings of emotions and understanding of them. If he did not, why did it take his fantastically brilliant mind that long to figure out that Finn truly wanted him to join her at the table? Why did he sit at all? He could have declined and left, since it was illogical for him to stay after she had said she was fine. Isaac figured it out that staying and offering conversation would be a comfort to Finn, improve her emotional state and mental wellbeing. Something he himself, has very little understanding of yet he knew it would help her. He wanted to help her.

@daviddodson8922

Жыл бұрын

@@mokko759 I don't even think he was built with basic emotional understanding maybe a perceived view of them but he never experienced them until then. I think he was built to observe and acclimate to further be able to understand something. He just focused on the emotional spectrum cause he was trying to understand it. Random but Kaylon are like a mix of Cybermen (Doctor Who) and the Borg/Data (Star Trek) in my opinion.

@msrlapin99

Жыл бұрын

Isacc is considering what a being with emotions would do, and then does that thing. Bret Spiner did the same thing many times with Data. It's a killer way to prortray these characters. What is the difference between choosing to act emotionally and having emotions?

@SkelexIsHere

Жыл бұрын

@@daviddodson8922 This is an interesting question. Is it possible to be considerate of others feelings without experiencing any of your own. I often felt this was the difference between Data and many Vulcans in TNG. Vulcans suppressed their emotions and often came across as rude or uncaring because they placed no value on emotions even if they were technically capable of experiencing them, whereas Data, while bumbling, tried very hard to be kind and considerate because he understood how important emotions were to humans even if he couldn't experience them himself. Personally, I think a purely logical machine without sympathy/empathy could still make the decision to be "nice" out of respect.