Hunter is feeling good this phase-- most fun I've had playing hunter in a while.

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

agreed!

@glenbogger1873

3 ай бұрын

Ditto

@glk96_

3 ай бұрын

PVE wise ofc, but pvp wise .. the bursty meta is still there, and its fucking boring. There is no play to do in world pvp. The only skill you need is when you are playing prem vs prem

@dance_pattern

3 ай бұрын

Ranged hunter dps shouldn’t come from shooting traps though, kinda dumb

@brandonkruse6412

3 ай бұрын

@@dance_patterntrap launcher is great, better than melee weaving traps

How do you manage regular autoshots? Do you prio habilities/spells over autoatacks or you wait for autos to go off and then cast spells? Some autos crit for as much as some spells, but "waiting" for half a sec for an auto attack feels weird. Any comments on this?

Is a wolf woth for a meele hunter, cuz now we are as a 20man group not 10 anymore? Thx 😊

Would love to know, what consumes are you using for raid.

ty brother . this is still a solid guide .

@Naturetvz

26 күн бұрын

appreciate ya!

Hey man, great guide. Thanks! Quick question, if you go BM range, what's the rotation? The same just without Everything minus Aimed Shot?

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

yeah exact same just no AS

@naturetv and also, where do you take the information from, that rapidfire also includes melee damage? it doesent say it in the tooltip

@DiakosDelvin

3 ай бұрын

It doesn't automatically it's the hunter armor set tier 2 effect.

@Burlehmangus

3 ай бұрын

its the tier set bonus. this guide is full of misinformation. rapid fire is from tier bonus. killing frenzy only stacks from pets yellow attacks, not whites. didnt even put serpent sting into rotation. says nothing about clipping. nothing about 2.0 pet for melee for flanking. also for melee, carve will still be sub par even in massive AOE

Need serpent string in the rotation and use it before chimera shot as it benefits from it.

@jiristecura5908

3 ай бұрын

You use it once and then the duration gets reset with each chimera

@rpurbrick87

3 ай бұрын

@jiristecura5908 yup, still needs to be in the initial rotation. It is a big part of damage for a range hunter, especially if have imp strings

@naturetv thanks for the great video. Why do we specc into aspect of the hawk as melee? Doesent it only buff ranged attacks?

@thisisrazmer

3 ай бұрын

Your pet scales with hawk

@Xysmo

3 ай бұрын

but the talent is not boosting hawk, its just making it to have chance to proc ranged attack speed, how does this stack with pet?

@MS-ru1wm

3 ай бұрын

@@Xysmo exactly

@thisisrazmer

3 ай бұрын

​​@@Xysmo ah sorry i read your comment wrong. I thaught why "playing" hawk instead of why "skilling" improved hawk You are right, that i don't understand either.

@Burlehmangus

3 ай бұрын

most people put points in hawk, because there are no other dps increasing talents to get deeper into the tree, so the throwaway points just go into hawk, just in case theres a raid scenario where you have to go ranged (I.E.) in gnomer getting put on bomb duty)

Curious which OH is better Dragons cry or the serpent after the slow attack speed buff

Are fist weapons from gnomer still pre bis or is trasher + Scouts blade or inventors sword better?

For the corruption of the seed questline: In classic, if you delete the quest item (thrash blade or verdant keeper’s), you can return to the quest giver and re-purchase any of the quest items of your choosing. If you accidentally got the bow, you can swap it out for the sword and visa versa.

@Rorsch34

3 ай бұрын

does this still works in sod?

Have u tested that Lava Breath from core hound is cone and hit multiple targets? I thought so myself but have yet to see it hit more than 1 target.

@stagnacja1

3 ай бұрын

its a single target spell

How does rapid killing help melee hunter? The melee attack speed from rapid fire is tied to 3pice tier set from sunken temple and it only improves “shot” abilities on killing not melee

@Burlehmangus

3 ай бұрын

this exactly

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

rapid killing affects rapid fire and in phase 3 you'll get 3 peice tier set very early and easily which will provide a buff to rapid fire applying part of rapid fire to melee dmg. - remember this is a quick guide going over bis

@Super_Burrito

3 ай бұрын

im also wondering why hes gone 5/5 into Hawk considering it gives Ranged attack speed not normal attack speed

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

@@Super_Burrito there's no other options in the BM tree that could provide dps, although it's rare there is time like on Dreamscythe where you'll want to weve in ranged attacks and IAotH can provide additonal dmg. so in a BIS build some dmg is > then 0 dmg

rapid killing affects melee speed? isnt that just the 10% of 3 set bonus? which i assume most dont have yet.

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

rapid killing affects rapid fire's CD which is then converted to Melee by 3 piece set bonus.

@sebastianbergstl4423

3 ай бұрын

@@Naturetvz oh i agree, but u didnt premisse that with - applies only when u get the set bonus.

Rapid fire only increases melee attack speed if you have the 3 piece Tier bonus

@RonOnTheWay

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I heard that and had to double check.

@aw4591

3 ай бұрын

TY, was wondering about that.

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

rapid killing affects rapid fire and in phase 3 you'll get 3 peice tier set very early and easily which will provide a buff to rapid fire applying part of rapid fire to melee dmg. - remember this is a quick guide going over bis

Happy to hear sharpshooters are looking forward with hunter this phase, definitely didn't want to exist in a world where melee & ranged couldn't be interchangeable in PvE especially when the underlying design clearly intended for ranged combat to be the star. Sincerely, a melee enjoyer.

regular white attacks to not stack focus fire. has to be yellows. just leave pets claw on, do now use bite. (bite is higher focus)

Thanks buddy killer

Why 5/5 Improved Aspect of the Hawk for melee spec?

@dextriseffect9431

3 ай бұрын

ranged attack power bonus actually gives your pet a little attack power so ive heard to min max you use hawk in melee since youre not tanking anyways so dont need monkey

@Burlehmangus

3 ай бұрын

@dextriseffect9431 yea but imp hawk doesn't affect ranged ap, just ranged attack speed. The answer is really just that they're kind of throw away points to get further down the tree, and rather than put them in non-dps affecting talents, you put them in hawk for those rare times you might be forced to go ranged for the raid, like bombs on thermaplugg

I agree with making the first 10% of heart of the lion just a talent/ability, with the second 10% coming from a rune (which then competes with the other runes), BUT, I would also make it only party-wide, not raid wide. Hunters need more "reasons to be there" especially as we fall to mid-pack when warriors/rogues outscale us.

@Burlehmangus

3 ай бұрын

the issue with this, is that nobody would use that rune. if you already had 10% base....the final 10% from rune would not outdo the 5% crit from master marksman (which still applies to melee)

@sniperdps

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I'd assume blizzard would tweak the numbers on all of these runes so that they become at least situational in terms of what you'd want to use. @@Burlehmangus

How come you only put out 31 + 8 talent points when we have 41 talent points at 50?

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

i believe i go over it in the video, it's because the last 2 talent points are not needed at all in your bis spec as they add no dmg, so you are free to spend where you want!

Cool guide. It seems that frenzy procs only from abilites such as claw so the pet speed only matters because Gift of Arthas and also it is hard to proc focus fire with WS. Would like to know how much raid dps u gain from TSA in a perfect group (shaman/melee hunter/mm hunter/warrior/feral) in your next guide. Is corehound ability actually Aoe, why haven't I heard about this : O

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

yes wind serpent has a 2.0 attack speed which is semi slow then it also has a cast time on it's lightning breath ability, so it's not very good in tandem with focus fire. however Focus fire the rune says basic attacks and should work on basic attacks not abilties, unless I'm misunderstanding. while on the flip side Frenzy the Talent point procs off critical attacks either ability or basic. yeah corehound allthough isn't a lot of dmg it is a AOE and could be useful on big pulls!

@eldenanchor8179

3 ай бұрын

@@NaturetvzI also thought this. But focus fire only stacks from ability hits (claw, bite) so attack speed doesn't matter in relation to this rune.

So for melee we want lion over master Marksman even if another hunter is running lion?

@dextriseffect9431

3 ай бұрын

if another hunter is running lion there is a higher siming heavy survival talent build with lone wolf i believe but only if another lion is there

I'm confused how your talent/rune guide shows beast mastery but then you show carve in the rotation. Which is the preferred rune/skill for optimal dps?

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

carve is a optional switch you can put carve on for trash anytime there's x4 mobs or more it's better than BM rune

Why do you take aspect of the hawk 5/5 melee hunter ?

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

@Naturetvz for a melee BM spec it's possible you may have to use a rangwd abilitity at some point. and keep in mind you have hawk active to increase ranged AP for your pet scaling Since IAotH has the potential to do greater than 0 dps it's a better option than Endurance training which is a guaranteed 0 I understand this is a min/maxer and top end game play mentality, in reality it's only going to ever matter on someone who's playing as a full min/max and even then the dps increase is very minimal, so pick differently if you want to! however I posted the technical bis build because this isn't a full guide where i would go over these typese of variances. the build listed is just technically the most optimized dps talent build because you're assuming perfectly optimized dps conditions.

@Marelx

3 ай бұрын

Thanks !

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

@@Marelx np my man!!! running melee hunter I had the IAotH proc on the dual drake fight and man it was small but i was rocking top dps and it gave me that xtra kick!

I just completely disagree with taking the talents for aspect of the hawk talents because half the raid bosses I'm using aspect of the wild anyway

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

this is a guide going over bis, if you're running wild you and your raid don't need to worry about a bis guide :)

How much agi is required to be better than 1% crit with all spells & attacks?

@thisisrazmer

3 ай бұрын

On lvl 60 every +53 agi = 1% Bonus crit. If u scale it down to lvl 50 i guess it should be around +45 agi = 1% Bonus crit

@qorda1337

3 ай бұрын

@@thisisrazmer sure, but agi also gives ranged ap

i out dpsed every melee hunter as ranged last phase , gonna do the same this phase

@brandonwhitfield1278

3 ай бұрын

Those were just bad hunters.

@user-yo3cg9ev8y

3 ай бұрын

@@brandonwhitfield1278 probably, but that's why just looking at logs is dumb, if you play good and min/max your spec you still can outperform all avg. Players unless your spec is actually really under powerd

Chimera weaving arms hunter trapper with the core hound. Meme spec for life baby.

Tank hunter is viable right now with survival spec and lone wolf rune. About 60% avoidance with improved monkey and 4k health utilizing the weird mail agi stam peices in the raid for some reason.

Rapid fire DOES NOT increase melee attack speed until you get the full 3 piece set. No point in running rapid killing until you have it for melee hunter 👍

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

rapid killing affects rapid fire and in phase 3 you'll get 3 peice tier set very early and easily which will provide a buff to rapid fire applying part of rapid fire to melee dmg. - remember this is a quick guide going over bis

Melee rapid fire only works if you have full three set and only gives 10% attack speed

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

rapid killing affects rapid fire and in phase 3 you'll get 3 peice tier set very early and easily which will provide a buff to rapid fire applying part of rapid fire to melee dmg. - remember this is a quick guide going over bis

I have Pet Wind srepent, what should I do in the beast trainer that is a good tank and has a strong agro and the enemy doesn't attack me???

Wing clip resets the CD on raptor strike as well

Go ranged, TSA in a full mele group gives way more raid dps than what you can gain by going mele

Hi Naturetvz, im also a hunter, nice video you got. Can you link the hunter discord, so i can post mine idea's of ST

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

discord.gg/B9V95czb

So cat is best single targ and core for dung/trash

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

core is kinda meh, but yeah it does a AOE so on large enough pulls it's better.

👍

How can you use focus fire as mm your pet cant get frenzy stacks to consume unless your BM

@Apostolnixx

3 ай бұрын

Read the rune description. It's there

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

@@Apostolnixx this ^

splitting lion wouldnt work. if you got 10% baseline, the next 10% from rune would not mathematically outperform the 5% crit from master marksman (which applies to melee as well) so it would be a dead on arrival rune.

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

this is incorrect - it's about +10 dps increase to run MM in full phase bis w/ WB and about 18-20 w/ out WB it's 110 EAP (for Lion in full p3 bis) vs 148 EAP MM rune if you're unfamiliar w/ EAP this basically means running MM would be like having a 38 attack power item xtra for free... here's sim proof. wowsims.github.io/sod/hunter/#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

@Burlehmangus

3 ай бұрын

@Naturetvz bu5....that's exactly what i said...so in the sims, if another hunter in the raid has lion on already, it's 38 eap higher to run MM. This means 10% lion + MM is better than 20% lion. So if you're saying we should get 10% of lion as a BASE ability...that means you could run 10% base lion + MM. (same math as if another hunter were just running lion now), or you could run 10% base lion + 10% lion from hypothetical rune, for the 20% total. But as previously stated, 10% lion + MM > 20% lion, and since they share the same rune slot, like i said, NOBODY would take 10% additional lion over MM. As you showed with the sim, it would be 38 eap lower

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

@@Burlehmangus oh okay I understand everything you and me said is true. on the flip side though I think that's the point why are we forced to run Lion rune right now if there's no other hunter or kings in the raid. (this is a much bigger problem on horde) so on horde for example one hunter has to gimp themselves to run Lion while the others can do more dmg for free. Doesn't make sense, which is why I suggested the rune split so we are not forced to gimp ourselves just to buff the raid. Anytime you're forced to do things like this it feels bad for the player

Small correction on Ranged rotation (although it's too early to say it's definitive): You actually want to shoot 2xChim/ES after each trap, triggering the shot's cooldown each time. This way it better aligns with traps going off of CD. Someone mentioned it's something like 1 shot average every ~3.5 seconds (Trap>shot>shot>Trap>shot>shot) rather than ~4.5 seconds (Trap>shot>Trap>shot>shot - long trap wait time). That way you also have 1 extra Chim/ES CD time to fit an extra Aimed/Multi. EDIT: Also on pets, Focus Fire is deceptively written, it triggers off pet skills rather than their Auto-attacks like everyone assumed. So 1.0 vs 2.0 atk speed is irrelevant for that rune, the important thing is to only use Claw (only viable skill for getting 5 stacks) meaning that WS and CoreHounds are exclusively melee hunter pets this phase :( The 1.0 and 1.2 cats still have an advantage in other ways like Gift of Arthas, although it's not a big thing.

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

thx for the feedback, CAT info is true. for rotation we have Trap>CS>Trap>CS>CS>FF+AS>MULTI>CS - but it wasn't always perfect if you had to move ETC so i just removed the last CS on the quick video since most players were not able to execute, however i'll have to try your suggestion.

@remyd8767

3 ай бұрын

@Naturetvz why not do two CS after first trap?

Every hunter is both. You just make a macro to swap gear with different runes equipped. You can become melee or ranged without even using a gcd. If you're in combat you'll have to feign so worst case it's a feign cd plus a gcd.

Melee hunters do more dps ranged Hunter has more utilities.

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

True

@brandonwilson4740

3 ай бұрын

1 ranged hunter is mandatory for the utility along with trueshot aura

single target without serpent sting in ranged ? imo rotation -> aimed Shot , serpent sting and after this trap and you rotation . Btw corehound are not aoe pet

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

SS is applied at the beginning of a pull before you start a rotation, remember a rotation means you're repeating that action and you do not need to repeat applying SS as it auto refreshes.

@stagnacja1

3 ай бұрын

@@Naturetvz So Aimed Shot its a waste of time now

Crying. Where was this vid 2 days ago when I picked the stupid Verdant Aim bow :(

Why are you taking 5/5 improved aspect of the hawk? It's useless for melee.

@Lexsor920

3 ай бұрын

The pet gets buffed from aspect of the hawk.

@bigshirley8658

3 ай бұрын

No it isn’t. Your pet gets the attack power from it

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

for a melee BM spec it's possible you may have to use a rangd abilitity at some point. and keep in mind you have hawk active to increase ranged AP for your pet scaling Since IAotH has the potential to do greater than 0 dps it's a better option than Endurance training which is a guaranteed 0 I understand this is a min/maxer and top end game play mentality, in reality it's only going to ever matter on someone who's playing as a full min/max and even then the dps increase is very minimal, so pick differently if you want to!

@scdogg444

3 ай бұрын

@bigshirley8658 bro, read the actual tool tip, improved aspect increases YOUR ranged attack speed. It does NOT buff your pet in anyway. Yes you're right hawk by itself, the AP buff, buffs your pet, I agree. That's not my argument. My arguement is having ranged attack speed isn't good for a MELEE hunter, who should not be shooting arrows or bullets with exception on the pull of a boss. Which is still zero benefit.

@scdogg444

3 ай бұрын

@Naturetvz I would argue otherwise. Your pet having more life, cleanse, movement speed, etc is way more beneficial then wasting 5 points in something that you will never use.

corehound is not aoe.....

Not sure if I would take any of this dudes advice. 5/5 hawk for melee? Absolutely no serpent sting in your rotation for MM?… Just simply watch the logs of the higher performing MM hunters. Because this ain’t it.

@sebastianbergstl4423

3 ай бұрын

have u seen how much ss adds to a log?use the global for traps on single target as well.

@joshhamilton790

3 ай бұрын

@@sebastianbergstl4423 it boosts chimera shot which is your main source of damage… you also want 4/5 points in Improved serpent sting. So not using serpent sting is just completely off. Especially when you only need to use the spell once and chimera refreshes it. This video is terrible lol

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

SS is applied at the begining of the fight - figured that was obvious lol - it's not in the rotation since it's not repeated and rotation literally means repeated order.

I dont think your rotation, as you listed it, is correct.

@Nobodytoday12

3 ай бұрын

Can you give us a rotation then instead of just saying his is incorrect, would gladly appreciate it

@sniperdps

3 ай бұрын

I don't currently play ranged hunter, so I'm not exactly sure, but I know you include serpent sting in there. If it were me, I would go: AS (precast) --> SS --> IT --> CS --> CS --> MS --> FT --> CS --> CS --> repeat@@Nobodytoday12

I'm so tired of melee hunter. It's so boring

@Naturetvz

3 ай бұрын

lol i don't disagree, I play x4 hunters a lockout so it's nice to switch it up but let's be real it's rough if a 3 button EZ rotation while being melee is king especially doing that on repeat.