Cant wait for the Shadowlands episode next year

@wishiwashi7

Жыл бұрын

Kinda bums me out we may have to wait that long lol.

@hotlikesauce

Жыл бұрын

tldr: yes.

@clintmcbride7830

Жыл бұрын

Am I the only person who didn't have strong feelings for SL, and was just kinda disappointed? I don't get how it drummed up any strong emotions in anyone. It was just kinda...... whatever.

@ettibbet5493

Жыл бұрын

​@@clintmcbride7830 lore ruination?

@PDS001Sniper

Жыл бұрын

@@clintmcbride7830 it was aggressively horrible both story and gameplay wise. Sylvanas was the worst character in warcraft history and all the systems like choreghast and locked covenant were horrible.

Tbh as a casual player BfA was very fun. If you were playing the game to experience it, not to minmax it was good. Many a fond memory in BfA zones and the music from boralus/zuldazar was absolutely banging, still some of my favourites

@bertolaxe1386

Жыл бұрын

Well I think overall when you play WoW casually it's always an enjoyable experience. I played in Mop, WoD, Legion, BfA, Classic and Wotlk Classic, all very casually and honestly had my fair share of fun and enjoyable experiences, usually with a guild of like minded people. And I can't talk about the serious raider or hardcore player experience, but I had a ton of fun in BfA while leveling and doing casual Uldir runs and some mythic dungeons with my guild back then

@darkstorm2579

Жыл бұрын

That’s how I play WoW and I still have fun with it. I’ve been playing it since Cataclysm and the only expansion I was mostly inactive on was Shadowlands (and a bit of WOD). I’m not really into hardcore gaming and instead like to make my own fun. Heck there are some days where my friend and I just goof around by trying to catch each other or even role play.

@FuuuckOffff

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. The endgame would be inscrutable to most casuals. Systems within systems within systems. As a seasoned WoW vet, I've never been as confused as coming back to WoW during 8.1. Hours of research were required to get me up to speed on all the systems and how I was meant to gear through them. It was not casual friendly at all.

@tobiaswhittaker7462

Жыл бұрын

@@FuuuckOffff I had fun figuring them out. I wasnt playing seriously or even really doing many dungeons, so power level didnt matter to me much. Kept me playing

@bennyjones7983

Жыл бұрын

At first it was shit until azorite neck traitscame into play then it was a blast

Not enough is made about how much work was put into the BFA zones and dungeons. Some of the most immersive and beautiful areas I've experienced in all the years playing. The difference in quality when Shadowlands came out was a shock to the system for me. It was clear in the first 3 or 4 zones, like the Maw and Oribos, that the same care and vision weren't really put into this new expansion.

@forrest3867

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. People really don’t talk about just how much work was poured into BFA. That expansion was packed to the absolute brim with content, I’d argue that it was the most meticulously crafted release expansion to date. Island Expeditions, system reworks and Warfronts ate up SO much development time, yet this expansion still had the most beautiful zones and quest design to date. SO many cinematics. So much voiced dialogue. It must have been so disheartening for the developers to see their work gone to waste because of really poor decision making in regards to systems and end-game progression.

@Fogwell94

Жыл бұрын

BFA dungeons are still the best ones in the whole wow history. Only SOB could be considered bad

@VDA19

Жыл бұрын

While Shadowlands had pretty meh zones, you have to admit that Revendreth and Castle Nathria are peak fantasy. The aesthetics and music is 10/10.

@DankMemes-xq2xm

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if I agree that Shadowlands zones are bad. I think the bigger issue is how disconnected they feel from each other - look at how different Revendreth is from Ardenweald, for example. If Shadowlands existed in one coherent continent with zones that seamlessly merge into each other, it would have felt better. I feel like making everything like Bastion with variations on that would have captured the afterlife feeling more than what they did. Also, Zereth Mortis is pretty cool.

@legendofkodama

Жыл бұрын

I constantly revisit Zandalar to explore when I've run out of things to do in Shadowlands & Dragonflight. It's a place that I have a hard time believing will ever be topped.

One thing that really stuck with me about BFA was how the story went off the rails. I was hoping we could do more Old God/Void stuff in another expansion but nope, we did a lot of stuff in 1 expac. And then we got to fight Aszhara who was a threat since vanilla. She could've been the boss to end an expac in

@ninjanikstudios2280

Жыл бұрын

I have been preaching this to friends for years, glad to know someone else shares my opinion

@aureliodeprimus8018

Жыл бұрын

Jup, it really seemed to me like a expansion story change midway, cause the writers panicked....BfA could be such a great "breather episode" after Legion, before an actual Old God expansion. But nope, it had to be a prequisite to Shadowblands instead....

As a casual player who didn't care about min maxing and did one heroic raid, I had so much fun this expansion once 8.2 was out. The zones and music and world was so cool imo

@jaskicd

Жыл бұрын

As a player who just hangs out in Goldshire it was a fun expansion

@Newbtuber

Жыл бұрын

that was always the problem, it was always shipped broken. Then fixed later near the end of expansion. So the game being fun at 8.2 is expected. But playing 8.0 was a headache since you know everything is broken and you don't know what to work toward since what ever you work toward will probably be reworked next patch so it will be changed anyways. I even remember people hoarding Azerite gear because they speculated that weak azerite trait would get buffed and they would have the gear ready for it. It was a complete train wreck.

@ayayashiba1231

Жыл бұрын

​@@Newbtuber the most tilting part for me was that i started this expansion as a hunter pet. uumm, i mean feral druid. The fact that as a dps class, you did less damage than a freaking guardian druid was so tilting. You also had no good or even decent trait for aoe, so your single targer was literally the same as the aoe. Other than that and azerite armor, it was a good expansion for me. I really enjoyed the zones, the ambiences, Bwonsamdi.😅

My favorite HIru tradition, gaslighting me into thinking bad WoW things were good!

@JustLikeYou.

Жыл бұрын

Specifically on April Fools day lol

@grizzly311tr

Жыл бұрын

bfa was good if you weren't trash. sorry to hear about your time with it

@lesepypoo7347

Жыл бұрын

@@grizzly311tr Copium

@antarath517

Жыл бұрын

Is this an in season April Fool's joke?

@leristamerello8225

Жыл бұрын

@@grizzly311tr Gotta love some copium

The Jaina questline was a very heart touching one at the very end. Actually kinda got me in the feels when her mom said she was sorry and said that she the "Pride of Kul Tiras."

@Salt_Mage

Жыл бұрын

Jaina was fumbled hard. She gets banished to Death Island, gets rescued, and then is the leader of Kul Tiras despite being treated as a traitor by the nation for a decade in world

@Toastybees

Жыл бұрын

Jainas story was so bad if you look past the really simplistic emotional manipulation. Her mom literally gave her a death sentence in front of everyone, then all of a sudden turned back into a loving mom when she saw Jaina was sad? Then the people of Kul Tiras are just supposed to forgive her for betraying her father, their beloved admiral after holding on to that grudge for so long? Did she somehow convince them of the truth that at the time she did it because he was a virulent racist and that's bad, because I saw the Alliance talking a lot of Horde racism during BFA and they seemed fine with it. And the bombing of Theramore still happened on her watch.

@fatiguejras

Жыл бұрын

​@@Toastybees While the story wasnt the best it was still better than anything I got during SL or DF

@Toastybees

Жыл бұрын

@@fatiguejras You have bad taste.

@fatiguejras

Жыл бұрын

@@Toastybees You seriously think the storyline in SL was better than BFA?

I think you didn't cover one aspect of the expansion: lore/plot/story BfA started really strong and bold with BfA. Capital cities destroyed? People were intrigued, and it spurred the faction conflict even among the playerbase. It impacted the leveling, with completely different experiences for Alliance and Horda, and that was awesome. Even warmode and faction invasions synergized to create one of the best PvP experiences I ever had in WoW. Sylvanas' villainy and how the factions were acting stupid were a big concern, but at least at first everyone was expecting an explanation and a satisfying conclusion to all that conflict. And, for 8.0 and 8.1, I feel BfA totally delivered. But then... Well, once we reached 8.1.5, the story was quickly devolving into abandoning the faction war, the main premise, and replacing it with N'Zoth, for which the expansion was not advertized as. To make matter worse, even fans of Old Gods were thinking that the N'Zoth plot would just lead to the next expansion. There was some faction war plot in 8.2. But then it was sudeenly and VERY underwhelmingly resolved in a cinematic in 8.2.5. There were a ton a plot threads just dropped suddenly. From a story point of view, 8.3 was an aberration. It had nothing to do with the story that BfA was sold as. All that investment the players had for the faction was just thrown away in favor of vanquishing N'Zoth, an enemy that could easily have carried his own expansion. As someone who likes Warcraft for lore and story, I remember how betrayed I felt as BfA progressed. From one of the most intriguing and hyped stories we ever had in an expansion, it devolved into a mess of unresolved stuff, disappointing ends and swapped cast of allies and enemies. And it then lead us to Shadowlands, which was a lore abomination of its own...

@inquisitorwalmarius6650

Жыл бұрын

thanks, you are the first here to mention the greater issue i took with BFA. i have a lot of other issues with it but this one are the major one. they butchered wow lore and made it into something malign towards us who love the lore.

@ShadowwingMD

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the story and the lore behind it became a big mess with that expansion and went in a direction it did not recover from, killing the game for me in shadowlands.

@morthim

Жыл бұрын

a subversion of expections ceases to be a subversion of expectations when the subversion is so normalized ot becomes the expectation. every one on KZread i watched at teh time expected n'zoth specifically cause it would be a shit move.

The zones are honestly some of my favorites in WoW, especially the city-sized cities. I think the real issue was how the story sorta... accelerated. A bunch. Really makes me wonder what happened behind the scenes to make them squeeze all that stuff in right at the end.

Playing warlock with 10,000 haste at the end of the expansion with full corruption sets was the most fun I've had in this game. Nyalotha and M N'Zoth are also a super underrated instance / boss. (The initial aquisition of corruption though was absolutely horrible because the base chance of any corruption rolling was so low)

@Cyber-Rain

Жыл бұрын

Felt the same with assassination. Melted a 5 mask Alleria in 15sec with all of the haste bonuses. Mostly garrote damage.

@user-zm2br8mr4z

Жыл бұрын

I miss infinte star on my dh back in bfa holy shit. 90% of my damage was that stupid thing

@LordHypnos4

Жыл бұрын

The final version was also horrible cause if they had what you wanted one week but you didn't have enough of the currency, sorry gotta wait a month. Meanwhile your guildie who got lucky is doing like 20% more dmg than you, it was pretty shitty

@broski981

Жыл бұрын

@@LordHypnos4 The rotation on the vendor was needlessly limiting. Its still a shame that expedient 3 was on the first or second rotation

@DankMemes-xq2xm

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zm2br8mr4z Don't forget the Ra-den slappers. Those things were crazy good and fun to watch.

I really miss BFA. I happily spent hours flying round Tiragarde Sound and Stormsong Valley on my Sky Golem just collecting herbs and ores. Some of my favourite zones in the game. I often go back to Kul Tiras just to fly around and enjoy the sights and music.

I dont think you mentioned it, but the pathfinder grinds were very tedious for BFA too, requiring you to do WQ on 2 continents that were already difficult to traverse. The zones themselves were fantastic, but flight paths were so scattered from WQ's (thankfully we had whistle). I think the zones were huge enough to introduce pathfinder 2 a lot sooner, but I think I got tired of having to spent a few extra minutes navigating around a mountain instead of just flying over it so I could do a wq.

For me, its almost always about story. The issue I had with BfA was that the story was just not good. It had a lot of potential and it did have good bits here and there but the main war story with Sylvanas was just too much of a 180 of her character IMO. I'm not saying she didn't have the tendency to do evil things, she did, but they made her goals for the war way too vague and gave no reason for why she went so far off the deep end this time. That said, they at least kept it vague enough that there was still potential at the end that they could have fixed it with revelations in the next expac and in the trailer for SL, it felt like they had a good reason in the bag; "This world is a prison... And I will set us all free." But that just ended up just making it all worse by completely wrecking almost all the old established lore and adding needless complexity. I had fun in BfA, despite the meh story and frustrating systems because I had hope there would be decent answers in the next expac, since those answers were even worse, it just paints BfA as the expac that set up the story that SL fumbled, that's why I hate it.

@Ghilannugs

Жыл бұрын

I'd say that the overarching story was bad. However all the minor characters, minor stories, the zone to zone experiences etc were PHENOMENAL. Like if BfA got the Dragonflight treatment in terms of the amount of side content with emotional weight? It'd be class

@hoho7029

Жыл бұрын

i dont think ill ever forgive Blizz team for wasting Nazjatar and Black Empire nin one patch, ive waited over decade for ...this?

@Ghilannugs

Жыл бұрын

@@hoho7029 black empire is def getting some more love eventually. Nazjatar though.. ye..

BfA was actually really fun for me. I have tons of great memories playing it

I think visions are SO underrated. some of the best solo content ever introduced

@romandark9832

Жыл бұрын

Blizz makes great content, but they ruin it by surrounding it with a bunch of BS. Farming Nzoth invasions for Vessels was so tedious.

@LudoB99

Жыл бұрын

Visions were almost perfect, I just wish you didn't need to farm keys to get into em. I did have a lot of fun running them with guildmates to get Mailmuncher!

@1un4cy

Жыл бұрын

Only problem with it is the barrier of entry, 10,000 Coalescing Visions basically makes it so you can only have 1 attempt per week.

I played on the horde side, and for the most part I was in a good guild that had nice people, but it definitely was a let down after my favourite expansion Legion, which was in my opinion chefs kiss! But recently I have been playing Alliance again and I will say the ally zones in BFA are fucking amazing, the look of the zones are cool AF, the music, the details in the houses, I wish I played ally in BFA too see those cities full of life I bet it would of been amazing!

@SuperGamefreak18

Жыл бұрын

You know something else I hate about BFA it made the modern horde villains… AGAIN the modern horde are individuals that are trying to be survivors not just monsters

@mattphoenix4702

Жыл бұрын

Make sure you do the Jaina quest line that starts with “What You May Regret” once you complete all three Alliance Zones. You’ve been able to solo it since Shadowlands and it really is one of the best parts of BfA in my opinion. Alliance DEFINITELY won the expansion in terms of story.

@Dayv018

Жыл бұрын

I find this ironic, b/c I play Alliance and most of us on the Alliance side who had horde alts all agreed that that Horde zones in BFA were far better, with 2 out of the 3 Alliance zones being mostly forgettable.

Corruptions, Boralus, and BfDA are my favorite parts of BFA. I also came back to the game at the end of Legion once I saw BFA’s announcement. I had fun and maybe it’s because I do not take the game or my time in-game as seriously as others. These retrospective videos are always a must-see on the channel!

Gotta love the yearly April’s Fools video Hiru does, haven’t seen it yet, but I already know he will be kinda right, as always.

I started playing WOW at the end of BfA and absolutely loved it. Especially the zones, Zandalar especially is my favorite location to this day. It was so fun finding all those little secrets and hidden quests, the atmosphere was on point and I've met some of old and new favorite characters there. I understand that it might have been different gameplay-wise for those who were playing it since day one, but for me, it was what got me playing WoW. To this day I'm trying to find this feeling of questing in Zandalar again, and Shadowlands and Dragonflight honestly didn't give me that.

Not gonna lie, I have a LOT of nostalgia for Nazjatar and Mechagon, prob two of my favorite zones ever added, especially Nazjatar. Also, Corrupted gear was hilariously broken and objectively ruined the game, but I miss it so much. It was so fun seeing massive Twilight Devastation crits wiping out 20 mobs at a time, or doing 30 tank Ny'alotha runs where we all have millions of HP and are doing millions of twilight devastation dmg. Good times.

@tasomoros7776

Жыл бұрын

I personally enjoyed stacking twilight devastation on my high hp blood dk and one shotting people in pvp. Good times...

Seasons 2-4 of BFA were actually the time in WoW that I played the most. 10+ characters doing keys each week. I loved the fixes to Azerite armor in 2, the essences in 3 and the corruptions in 4. Sure, there were issues with several aspects of the game throughout the whole expac, but I legit had fun for the majority of the time.

@iyaramonk

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit dude I can not even imagine what 10 chars in bfa would be like. So many chores you had to do

@Tronarul

Жыл бұрын

​@@iyaramonk10 is quite a few, but chores? Only if u felt like it, otherwise, a pleasent breeze if u know what dailies to do and which to ignore. Shadowlands however, yah, Choregast galore...

@Renwoxing13

Жыл бұрын

Bro I started playing BFA right at the end of the expansion During the start of the penultimate raid !¡! So I got to enjoy all of that at once !¡! After years of not playing at all !¡! To me BFA Was *ABSOLUTELY AMAZING - THE PINNACLE OF MMO GAMING !¡! ¡!¡ !¡!*

@buttsmcgee50

Жыл бұрын

So you have bad taste and shouldn’t be taken seriously. Good to know.

@TwinrovaXD

Жыл бұрын

Same in season 2 and 3 I played so much it was a lot of fun

I loved BfA up until Nazjatar. Jaina's story was well-done and emotional. Talanji quickly became one of my favorite characters. The world building in Kul Tiras and Zandalar are top notch. Blizzard actually remembered Gnomes and gave them story for the first time since Cataclysm. I just think the sudden pivot to old god craziness felt like a completely different expansion than the rest.

The BFA zones are beautiful. If blizzard will allow us to fly there in 10.1, I’d love to spend a lot of time there. I started wow when Zereth Morris was released.

@Kheyoo

Жыл бұрын

You can fly in BFA zones right now. They removed the restrictions in the latest patch

@litebkt

Жыл бұрын

@@Kheyoo Oh really? This is great news!

@litebkt

Жыл бұрын

@@Kheyoo I discovered this. I'd been grinding my pathfinder achievement for two bloody weeks after the fact and only discovered I could fly when I accidentally got on a flying mount. ;)

Finally, my yearly dose of based and true Hiru opinions.

BFA made me fall in love with WoW again. I came back after I stopped playing in Mist of Panderia. Coming back to wow and entering the Nyalotha raid with a new guild was sooo much fun. Honestly had a blast with corruption and getting AOTC for the first time ❤

When I was around for legion and BFA, the best things that came from their gear was the power it gave me as a player to have fun experimenting with how I play a class, the moment my warlock got access to stackable absorb effects in legion or accessing the inevitable demise passive from BFA. I realize how much fun it was for me to be one of the tankiest warlocks out there, I had a lot of genuine issues of juggling dealing damage and trying to survive mechanics, sometimes I had trouble getting out of mechanics in time and die in a few seconds as a result, but as a tank lock I found that I those mechanics became a lot more forgiving for me, especially when I could heal it all back up by myself, which also meant one less person healers would have to worry about healing so they could help the rest of the group that needed the health more. As I experimented more, I even found that I was able to tank legitimate tank mechanics in some cases in legion, solo tanked the first caster boss in the crucible of storms far away from the rest of the raid. I even managed to survive and defeat the final boss of a particularly difficult mythic plus dungeon in shadowlands with only me and an equally tanky druid left alive for the majority of said fight. My damage may not have been as good as all the other warlocks people compared me too, but I was still happy being able to stay in a fight to deal damage in the first place. Even in death I was content that my damage was still helping the group especially when a wave of bad luck would come my way. I still try to have fun coming up with fun builds despite the toxic people that obsesses over meta. But as a result I feel just punished in my choice of builds, a feeling that only became truly apparent in shadowlands.

I came back to WOW at the end of BFA and I really liked it honestly. Now with that said, I acknowledge that the whole expansion was essentially released.

@Renwoxing13

Жыл бұрын

Same here!¡! Returned to WOW after years of Not Playing in Patch 8.3 !¡! *ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, FUN ~ FUN ~ FUN, THE PINNACLE of MMO GAMING EXPERIENCES ¡!¡ !¡! ¡!¡* Me for one anyway lol !¡! .... & yes we started at the end so we did get everything coop & could ignore all bad !¡! Better yet we gor so Manu systems !¡! Azerite, corruption, etc, etc, etc !¡! Amazing !¡!

@ihusmal1234

Жыл бұрын

You came back at a good time then. As unbalanced and crazy the corruption system was, it fun as hell once they finally added the rotating shop and you got your corruption set up. Running around with 200% haste shitting out 1 sec Chaos Bolts as if I had lust all the time was the most fun I had on my warlock.

What a awesome take on April's fools. I created a newfound respect for WOD on that video and now I feel like I missed something for not playing BFA

Straight up, the grind for the Mad World achievement and the Faceless One title was some of the most fun I've ever had in the game, and I've played since late Vanilla

@handsdown77

Жыл бұрын

Likewise I’ve played since vanilla. I got the acheive and title on my prot pally. Was super fun

@aureliodeprimus8018

Жыл бұрын

Same. I did horrific visions both alone and with a group of friends. It was frantic, but fun. Just wished the other capitals would be available and not only Stormwind and Orgrimmar....

A lesson in how it doesn't matter how good the content is if the way you interact with it is bad.

Heroic N'zoth with 30 tanks was some of the most fun I've had in wow. 3mil+ health from the stacking neck tank essence and everyone having the Twilight devastation corruption for 36%+ max hp damage on proc was hilarious

@DankMemes-xq2xm

Жыл бұрын

Yup, it was amazing. Truly one of my favorite WoW moments.

End of 8.3 was legit some of the most fun I’ve had in wow

@Renwoxing13

Жыл бұрын

💯 💯 💯

@farfa2937

Жыл бұрын

True and real

I never bothered with Azerite gear. I just quested and enjoyed the story. I loved the setting on the horde side. Haven't done an alliance char in that expansion. Might do one just to see what its about.

@caderoster8333

10 ай бұрын

(Necroposting sorry) if you haven’t already, the Kul Tiran side of things is super cool. I’m normally horde, but the ally zones are gorgeous.

Great video as always! If i may interrupt, what's the soundtrack at the end? absolutely beautfiul!

for me, as a Primary Alliance player, (but a proud bifactional when it comes down to it), one of the best angles from the BfD'A raid was them using the Gallywix/Mekkatorque fight as the introduction mechanic for the Mechagnomes - the Vulpera, while cute, were just another race you bumped into while wandering around.

The dungeons were also very good, to this day I think Atal Dazar is one of the best dungeons ever made, others like Freehold or King's Rest were also very fun.

It wasn't as bad as I remember, it was worse.

@Rivexd

Жыл бұрын

Trust me, it was even worse than that.

@josedavidmunozmartinez4722

10 ай бұрын

​@@RivexdAnd Shadowlands was even worse than that xD

(I know its April Fools and all but) The launch of BFA and levelling through the Zandalari zones is my all time favorite WoW experience. I was so immersed in the story, the characters and the world.

@Lowaver

Жыл бұрын

I actually enjoyed the zones and area for when i first went through the areas. I thought it would be pretty good expansion at the start. Sure, the azerite armor was trash. But I did enjoy the island content for some relaxing bullshit with friends.

@ReedLovesBiscuits

Жыл бұрын

100%. It’s the only expansion I went through the trouble of getting pathfinder in because I genuinely just enjoyed the storyline and world in general. It was such an enjoyable experience. The end game and borrowed power through artifacts had it’s issues, but the world itself and “WoW” stuff was fantastic

@juice6521

Жыл бұрын

Too bad getting around Dazar'Alor was a nightmare.

@questcore636

Жыл бұрын

zand was freakin awesome, only thing i liked in BFA

One point I seem to recall that you did not mention: There where fewer 5 man dungeons compared to other expansions (at least at the start). Generally, the fact that people were done with grinding for AP after Legion pretty much set the tone for BFA.

BFA was my first xpac. I started playing in late legion and loved the raiding and dungeon systems. The class flavor and uniqueness was great, however BFA was anti-class. I have many fond memories of playing BFA and learning how to do m+ and heroic raiding, but I also have frustrating ones as well. I remember playing a Boomkin as my off-spec (Resto was my main) and having to avoid mastery on my gear because so much of our damage was random azerite effects or corruption that mastery just didn't work with. They scaled extremely well with crit and haste but not our spec specific stat. For class flavor we had six total azerite powers (two per piece) to play with but we also had that many generic azerite traits and one of our class ones was competing with the raid specific ones as well. There were a couple of essences that had spec specific abilities as well but only a couple. Corruptions only made this problem worse as none of them added to class fantasy. Corruptions being generic wasn't a problem by itself as they very much were void themed, but in an xpac that avoided class identity it was annoying. As much as I did like seeing a big purple laser come out of my druid and one-shot everything in front of me, I missed having to actually play my class to do damage. In legion, each class had an order hall with its own questline and lore. The way you played your spec was determined by your artifact weapons (with their unique spec abilites and traits), legendaries (some were generic and some were class or spec specific) and tier sets. This made for a rich class identity. No matter which class you played in BFA you had basically the same experience as everyone else. BFA did have faction flavor however. Which faction you were decided which leveling zones you had access to. All of the leveling zones were great in both art and story. Then there was the war campaigns. The way the two campaigns played off of each other was cool, however the writing was very weak. The horde war campaign was terrible. Characters like Rexxar and Lillian were doing seemingly the opposite of what you would expect and it ruined the story for me. The armor sets were great but the faction war wasn't natural. It felt forced at every turn. Overall I think faction Identity is fine but wasn't done well in BFA. It didn't replace the class fantasy that we had in Legion which left a hole. Shadowlands restored some of that with the covenant powers, legendaries and tier sets, but I would like to see a return to class specific content. In Dragonflight so far, we have new class and spec talent trees and tier sets. For the first patch after a major overhaul of talents I think this is fine but I would like to see more in the future. I also would very much like to see class specific customizations for our dragonriding mounts. Some class specific quests would be nice too.

Bfa had some of the best cutscenes and cinematics.

Eternal Palace deserved a mention as being a very good raid as well. Aesthetically it was pretty cool and boss fight wise, it was actually really innovative. Behemoth as an underwater fight was really cool and so was Orgozoa having that spiral down you had to navigate carefully. I personally enjoyed the insane haste buff during Za’qul and then Azshara you needed a whole college education and degree to learn in those early weeks.

I remember T&E saying something along the lines of."what are they going to give us? an artifact neck-less?" just weeks before they gave us an artifact neck-less

I loved everything with the corruptions. I remember that for raids and arenas, I'd specifically stack up on the tentacle beam corruption to get a 4-6 second window of insane single target burst

TBH BFA is the most fun i have had playing wow ever like literally ever great raids great zones great dungeons everything was basically good but i also only played in 8.3

@Renwoxing13

Жыл бұрын

Same, and hence I hold the same opinion of you !¡! I absolutely loved and adored it !¡! Thanks China !¡! Like I Legitimately Thank Them because BFA Was Awesome & PURE GOLD 4 ME !¡! Mythic Raiding, mythic keys - which was new to me since I hadn't played in years - Azerite Armor, Corruption gear, Visions, Pandaria & Uldum!¡! Leveling in All The New Island Zones !¡! Decent to Great World PVP... MECHAGON, NAZJATAR.... AMAZING !¡! Too much greatness to mention !¡! Anyone who started playing the game in patch 8.3 ( especially if like me they were returning players after years - Once Again, Thanks China !¡! - ) *IT WAS GOD TIER AMAZING, THE PINNACLE OF MMO GAMING, & SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL!¡! ¡!¡ !¡!*

I had a weird relationship with BFA, it took me until 9.1 of SL to realise that I played literally every single day of BFA but had been skipping on SL. I think those who persevered with the bad launch were rewarded with a great expansion

Sylvanas was another issue of BfA. I personally took no issue with her burning Teldrassil, nor was I concerned about how dismissive other other Horde factions she was, because both of these were existing traits of hers from WC3 and the ICC dungeons from Wrath. However, when we saw the Old Soldier cinematic and saw her smiling as Teldrassil burnt, alarm bells started ringing. You see, the reason why I didn't have an issue was because the Warbringer for Sylvanas presented her action as a kneejerk over reaction without any forward thinking because she felt challenged how she couldn't win a fight against life and that she "could not kill hope". This was the same sort of reaction when she dismissed the Dreadlords' help in The Frozen Throne, got her Banshees to help Arthas get away from Lordaeron City because it was more important that _she_ killed Arthas than Arthas being killed by anyone. Old Soldier showed that this wasn't true. Her smiling as she watched Teldrassil burned went from being a reminder of her past behaviour to "oh, this was always the plan and she doesn't trust anyone around her with her plans". Obviously we later found out that it was part of the "master plan" she and the jailer were working on, which made it all the worse, but considering how prior to Old Soldier I was fine and all it took was a smile to shatter things for me, it must've been so much worse for people who didn't recognise her actions as being part of her make up. Obviously, it was worse for Horde players, because regardless of Blizzard's assurances this *was* Garrosh 2.0, and having the Horde stand by her in spite of the events of Mists of Pandaria just made everyone else look stupid, vilified the entire faction, and just felt like lessons were not learnt. Even with the Horde rebelling against the Horde storyline, which didn't truly get traction until 8.1, and because it was all hush hush whisper whisper approach, it further belittled the Horde's integrity. It took too long, was too minor and over relied on the help of the Alliance in order to resolve the Horde's internal issues, exactly like it did with the Siege of Orgrimmar, only the Horde were far more proactive that time.

ive waited for your april first video all week, love them.

I liked BFA. The larger story was kind of stupid, but the smaller stories and the dungeons were fun. Kind of dumb to need to redeem the Horde again.

I actually lack the intelligence to figure out why an expansion is bad. To get around this impairment, I simply open up my boy Asmongold’s stream and form my own unique opinion to whichever one most closely aligns with his.

Honestly a highlight of the year is hiru's Deeo dives into looked down apon expansions love it

Always love me a good Hiru April Fool's video. I still remember when you used my suggestion a few years ago on why WoD was good actually

It was as bad only cuz of sylvanas. The story otherwise was pretty stellar, allied races were a great idea and the zones were fantastic. That all said SL made me so depressed even the Bs involvement of sylvanas and destruction of my favorite zone teldrassil isn’t enough to make me feel nostalgic for that expac as a whole even though during it I was pretty furious every few months with any new thing sylvanas was involved in

BFA has emerged as my favorite expansion. I have been playing since BC. I loved the zones, the music, the quests, the cinematics. I felt more involved with my faction. The whole game just came alive for me again. Yes I am a casual player so I may not have the most experience with the high end game content. But I LOVE BFA ❣

when you talk about the missing shadowlands raid; i always wondered what the raid we never got for shadowlands would have been, i think it would have been something about helya since she was built up when we first enter the maw but isn't really used at some point, she was kinda forgotten.

@corksterx1

Жыл бұрын

I'm convinced 9.1 was supposed to be more Maw/more in-depth Beastwarrens and Upper Area with a small raid including Helya and Vyraz, 9.2 was supposed to be what 9.1 actually was, and 9.3 was supposed to be what 9.2 was. The Maw had so many underground and deep exploration areas that were just completely ignored for that to be coincidence. The 9.1 campaign where we just killed Helya and Vyraz back to back in a quest felt insanely rushed and totally out of place. The shift probably happened b/c this would have of course been way too much Maw for patch content and players were already not enjoying the Maw.

the funniest part about corruption was trying to do anything with a very high level of corruption, the side effects were a great trade off especially if you wanted to make WQs fun. stacking too much for your cape would cause increasingly worse effects to proc on your character and some of the WQs could add corruption to your character as a debuff so you could go from mildly radioactive to chernobyl instandly

BFA was fine, I had a lot of good memories from it. I had a great time with Drustvar as an Alliance player, and completed every quest in the zone to avoid going to the others for as long as possible. The war campaign to this day remains one of my all time favorite storylines to play through in the game’s history. The first two raids were pretty fun, and most of the dungeons hit. Everything about the actual war was pretty cool, except the conclusion. I was a massive fan of Island Expeditions and the rewards that came from them, and as bad as it was, it was nice that we actually got a PvP map for the first time since Pandaria. I’d say the expansion was solid, and the people who complain about this to hellish extremes must have REALLY experienced the game differently from how I did.

@DIEGhostfish

Жыл бұрын

Maybe on the Alliance side, but I was so sick of the villain bat I did the pre-release and quit.

I liked BFA :)

First Impression is key, the first impression we had was the super subpar Warfronts, a grindy island expedition, subpar raid rewards because with how much we hated Azerite Armor, the lack of variety in raids had a larger impact. Lot of people were turned off by then and just didn’t pick up WoW again.

@iyaramonk

Жыл бұрын

I did eventually come back but no xpac made me quit earlier than bfa. What a slap in the face

Things they could have done to improve Azerite Armor in t he beginning (which I actually liked a lot of the effects of): * Tie the power selections to spec, and allow them to be changed like talents * Scale powers on the Armor to the Necklace level instead of locking the levels * Have some kind of system to customize/tweak/combine Azerite Armor sets to make the ideal combination you want.

I LIKED BFA

The best thing about BFA was Jaina's redesign and Kul Tiras, her embracing that British heritage was great. As a Brit, Kul Tiras remains one of my favourite zones of the entire game.

I began to play WoW with Legion and loved the Horde vs. Alliance Theme of the Expansion very much because for me it was the first real war. The soundtrack and atmosphere of the areas were quite good. I had fun with the expansion :D EDIT: Also the Darkshore Warfront was pretty cool for me lorewise because I'm a Nightelf Main and we could finally see how Malfurion do something in all these years

Really loved what the heart of azeroth did at the end of expac. Having a piece of gear that is in theory infinitely upgradeable, but just a few item levels at a time. It was something exciting as a casual player to see how high I could get it

Island Expeditions and Warfronts are still two of the most perplexing game features Blizzard ever added to the game. It feels like the design of these two features should've switched places. Warfronts not being designed with any form of PvP in mind was bewildering, as was the "lets take turns" design of it. Islands, on the other hand, deserved to be given the "gather resources then have access for a few days" system that was given to warfronts, with an added feature of leaving because of overwhelming invasions or the other faction kicking us off.

Started playing wow for the first time in bfa season 2. Joined a guild of ~10 players who were relatively serious raiders and key pushers. By the end of the season I was the top mmr in our guild and the #1 alliance (lol) rogue on the server (small server). I loved bfa and was hooked to it. Had a great time learning the game and just going random stuff in bfa.

I started playing wow right when shadowlands prepatch came out so right when levels were crunched. that few weeks were absolutely incredible. you could level in pretty much every zone, go just about everywhere and find some nice piece of content for your level and getting to 50 was a fun trip. I levelled like 5 characters because I kept wanting to try out other zones and classes. then shadowlands dropped and I hated just about everything past 50. hated the zones which were now mandatory to get to 60, hated the dungeons, questlines and npc's were just annoying. everything felt so slow and clunky. I levelled a paladin as prot because killing any enemy took so long I might as well kill 3-5 at a time. maybe that was on me but I never figured out what was wrong. and when they allowed you to skip the storyline partway through the xpac I almost hardlocked my warlock because it was really tough killing just about anything.

Blizzard really must have thousands of people running the circle of denial.

I started during shadowlands and levelling through the BFA areas really sold me on the game, but I don’t think I even got the Heart of Azeroth until I went back later to unlock some allied races. The zones themselves are certainly very fun at least.

Essences, Corrupted Gear(aside from their RNG acquisition and gigantic random power balances between lucky and unlucky players), Mechagon and Nazjatar, Leveling zones, and progressing through Visions of N'Zoth scenarios(before the affixes that made them utterly frustrating. Especially when it lead to iunstances where you literally couldnt move or do anything and got screwed) were all actually fantastic. Amazing how such wide pendulum of RNG on gearing can just put such a bad taste over an expansion. I wonder how Islands would have been if mobs didnt give you azerite and you actually had to explore. Or if Warfronts had fewer players(like 5?) but their actions were way more impactful and immediate. But hey, I actually liked the Hordes Pyramid(choosing the boon that gave you mini flight paths over the speed boosts through the city was clutch before flying) Happy i made an awesome CDR corruption build on my monk, but sad i never was able to make a haste build. Ah well, i had a lot of fun because i wasnt hardcore and didnt fall victim to the grind that seemed absolutely dreadful

Short answer: Yes Long answer: Yes. You're welcome.

the dungeons, raids and zones in bfa are my absolute favorite of any expansion, i enjoyed raiding so much during bfa that i'd do giveaway aotc runs for every raid released, m+ was also at it's peak in terms of enjoyment for me personally. but the xpac was a huge letdown when it came to story, and the azerite related systems were in terrible shape at the start of the expansion but atleast it got better overtime.

I also enjoyed the Vex fight. Somehow. Turning the blast from the tanks onto the adds was great

Question for someone who is thinking about getting into wow. I remember reading about you can technically pay for the subscription with in game gold. How feasible is it to be able to be free to play? Besides buying it like a normal game without a subscription.

best thing about this April 1st videos is that it make you think and and have new prospective, and not just "haha joke"

I started on the last patch of BFA to join my friends who had been playing since Legion. I was impressed by the game and the expansion and the vastness of content, doing 5mask runs even though I never really did high level M+ (few 10s at most I think) or raiding. I was honestly shocked to find out that apparently everyone agreed it was bad and I certainly think the bad start was very off-putting for many. For me, it was fun, working my way through the patches of content and getting to play with the systems already "fixed". I will always look back fondly on BFA, even though I understand it was built on a very shaky and rotten foundation in many ways.

I remember during the pandemic my friends convinced me to play WoW again since we had all the time in the world. I checked the best dps and found out fire mage was destroying single target bosses. Started levelling a mage during the corruption era when they first got introduced. After getting max level and finding out that i need to basically have all mastery corruptions and that damn trinket from the previous raid, my mage journey came to an end kinda soon.. The randomness of the corruption system before they introduced that vendor was hell.. You have to drop the gear that you need from the bosses, have it dropped with corruption, have it the corruption type you want AND having the corruption tier you wanted. That made BiS gearing just a big hell for me. I continued the rest of the expansion with my DH slashing stuff around. It is really unfortunate that i couldnt experience the full glory of Battle for Dazar'alor. The expansion for me was consisting of corruption and the mindless dailies i had to do in the all the different areas to open flying...

Funny i was actualy just thinking about if bfa was as not bad now after the shadowlands-dreanorlike Fiasco. I playied bfa from the start up until 8.3 (i was recruited to the army) so i couldnt finish it. And i very match enjoyed bfa , mostly the quests, dungons, raids(normal and lfr sorry), nazatar and mechagon. But i also didnot hate warfronts or the island expedition but i did play alot of them alot. Now hearing you say it war front was really a place where i just put a youtube video of someone (maybe even your's) and just chill killing mobs and rares. Idk if that was a bad thing or not, i liked how it effected the zone after the battle, with all the rare and the toys and pets and mounts you could get. I also liked the progress i had with kill this boss, first i was very weak and had to team up with people or join them to defeat the boss and in 8.2 and 8.2.5 i was able to solo even the hardest using my warlock tank tactics. I do agree that bfa was far from great i also think that the story, even though it was great in my opinion and probble the best we had for developing secondary faction character and giving them spotlight. It was full with politic... Not real world politic but azeroth onces which still done harm as the real onces. The whole story divide the player base first to alliance and the horde than to sylvanas loyalist and not. All of it became an undless argumants betwen the player base and regardless of your side it made all players more toxic. No wonder they brought a final big baddy to unite somehow the comunity, maybe some players didnt like it that we switched from faction war to some islands like zandalar and kultiras to naga and ashara to nzoth in one expantion but i think it made it packed and intriging. I will always remeber bfa as a nice expanstion that brought me joy at my last year of school regardless of the overall opinion. My interest ectually returned to warcraft now with the dragonflight expanstion ,unfortunatly i cannot play wow due to time problems but regardless i am very intereated in the story and hope everyone having fun.

Heroic warfronts were okay actually and an easy way to gear up. Faction assaults were kinda fun. Nazjatar+Mechagon patch was amazing, nothing felt like a chore and I was actually motivated to do everything. Corruption mechanic really served that old god fantasy, felt absolutely chaotic

@dad1158

11 ай бұрын

I think most people felt the heroic warfronts and warfronts in general were just a chore for a free piece of loot that was way too high item level so it felt required.

the first thing that comes to mind when thinking back on BFA was my first experience was my first ever beta invite, which i quite enjoyed as a whole the expansion for me was a decent:)

bfa was the expasion i came back to after leaving in cata because of school. and i enjoyed playing my highmountain tauren druid sure it was a boosted charture my brotehr gave me but i enjoyed going thought the expasion getting azerite doing world quests it was fun to play the game again after begin gone for so long

Regarding the corruptions, before them there was the crucible of storms raid that had gear with benefits at a cost, like an extra mechanic you had to deal with. To this day I still think that gear in particular was a novel concept, with the right traits and classes, I could see many ways for people to deal with those downsides and gain a good amount from the benefits, but the moment they added the corruption it was like they completely abandoned that concept and instead made it so that the downsides were pretty much all the same and equally unavoidable unless your clock was strong enough and even then it felt like a worse version of the crucible of storms gear. And because of the limited access to the corruptions you wanted in particular, it made it rather difficult to experiment unless you were the few that got exactly what you wanted.

I look forward to these videos every year

Really good video can you do one for other expansion too

@farfa2937

Жыл бұрын

He's done one for WoD and will probably do SL next year.

BFA was fun as hell I had the 2 piece from Antourus, The 300 ilv sets at 110 from quests, Fully maxed out artifact weapons which the quests it could go was about 250 (255 if you had Scythe or Ta'eshelach) One of the Argus' trinkets that could be upgraded every time you defeated him. I was able to kill fresh 120's. Island grinds made leveling the neck super easy as you can pull the entire place and mow them down in minutes! 8.2 Gear from The Eternal Place was nice and I still use to this day for Time walking. Corruption gear was intense. Those that remember TD could one-shot things if you were geared.

@user-ed7ne3dy5b

5 ай бұрын

FINALLY SOME SAID IT. GREAT TIMES!!! 8.2 I had the The Eternal Palace Gear and it was ripping up in the PVP arenas. 8.3 two words: TWILIGHT DEVASTATION!!!!

My biggest Issue with Shadowland was the fact that the epic, super duper, final solution to defeat the Jailer was a crown as epic as the Lich Kings crown,,,, which looked like it was from an super mario game........ oh and Sylvanas got way to much screen time and her build up was a freaking mess.

BFA was amazing looking back in hindsight, BESIDES Azerite armor! The gearing of azerite and itemization was awful, but the quests, the raids, the music, the mounts…so many memorable and unique elements overall.

The only problem with Draenor was, that it was undeveloped due to cut content. BFA was straig up bad, especially since people were hyped after glorious Legion. The only good thing about it was Saurfang storyline and his character.

I came back in 8.1-8.2. I think that’s the play past 3 previous expansions with many having some pretty brutal systems like Legion legendary (drops), BFA Azerite armour, and everything Shadowlands.

I did a bit of arcane mage in BFA. I pretty much only wanted the clearcast powers that massively increased the power of arcane missiles. Problem is, none of the "upgrades" had it, so even +1000 intellect was still a dps loss.

You mentioned in the seasonal affixes that Awakened was the only time when Blizzard gave us free Shroud of Concealments. During Shadowlands Season 3 we had the Encrypted affix and whenever you would kill the Wo Relic you'd become shrouded for a duration. It feels that Blizzard also tightened up the percentages so there's less mobs in dungeons to warrant skipping due to not having enough count to finish the run. Infested was also the most buggy affix Blizzard has ever made and pretty much was never fixed 100%. Beguiling was horrible, it just made the dungeons feel so slow while giving annoying mechanics to deal with. Friends of mine that pushed through the launch of BfA pretty much quit the game during season 3 because of Beguiling.

Running DH with max corruption twidev set was a fucking wild ride in high keys. I didn't join until just before Nya dropped so I'm hella biased but I enjoyed my time with BFA. Came back cause they burned my tree. Still mad I didn't get to actually kill Sylvanas in SL. Fuck her redemption. She genocided my people.

I really enjoyed the Drustvar storyline, as well as riding the wagon around Voldun. The pirate theme was fun, too, and Flynn was great comic relief. That said, grinding world quests for a pittiance of azerite sucked, and we gave up at the end of the xpac with those invasions in Pandaria and Uldum.

Just yesterday I played on a free trial character (cus I'm busy rn and I can't afford to spend 12 euros to play once or twice a month) and thought of exploring all the stuff Drustvar has to offer (loved the zone when I first started questing there, but I didn't explore it all cause I'm always speed running shit). I absolutely love BfA content.

Unfortunately, i had quit retail WoW only partially in to the Dazar'alor patch and didn't even really try the raid, but part of what i hated was that end game was basically farming world quests exclusively. You HAD to do it if you wanted to upgrade your gear, so i got burned out and just walked away and in truth, i haven't returned. Not for any of the subsequent patches, not for shadowlands, and not for dragonflight, and frankly, i haven't been compelled to return even for the next stuff. I did play Classic for a while, but i actively chose to walk away from WoW all together, but i think azerite armor pushed me away from WoW as a whole.

I did a bit of levelling in BfA zones when I briefly came back to retail to see what it was like. It was fine. Nice looking zones, the quest system was decent, bonus objectives felt worthwhile. Nothing that made me think "Wow, that was amazing!" but I certainly wasn't bored. Which is something at least.

i was able to use dreanor speed potions during bfa, made things so much easier. also when i was in mechagon i would flyaround stealth with the antigrav and dismount anyone.

The biggest problem with Azerite armor was that it was not even on the beta until the week before release. I had alpha access and there was no armor the entire time. We were putting in bug reports for it daily and still nothing.

Always look forward to april 1st for these videos

The problem for me with BFA is that it sort of just showed more the problems of the systems that were put in prior expansions. The mission table that basically put mobile free to play like timers in the game, world quests chores, and then the borrowed power systems again that just added everything together. For me, I felt I was doing more chores than having fun. Same things where there in Shadowlands which is why I stopped retail. Playing Classic again reminds me of why I liked WoW as it's devoid of a lot of these systems.