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@UltimateByte

29 күн бұрын

Oh thanks, I was wondering where that part about GPUs was!

@GewelReal

29 күн бұрын

Spoilers!

@landoishisname

29 күн бұрын

blunder of the CENTURY

@conyo985

29 күн бұрын

Part 3 can't come soon enough!

@codex_xd

29 күн бұрын

Ok, But I can't wait for part 3 to come out!

Everything keeps going up except my paycheck.

@kurtwinter4422

29 күн бұрын

AM4 then. This is why 5800x3d sells so well. I'm waiting for a game changer - like a built in 20 TOPS NPU in the CPU.

@peterwstacey

29 күн бұрын

Depends on your use case, but a friend recently built an AM4 system (5600G + 32GB DDR4) for home office and some very basic gaming at 1080p (JRPGs, Steam back-catalogue etc). He'll maybe upgrade to a dedicated GPU if he ever actually needs it, but so far it does everything he wants

@joeykeilholz925

29 күн бұрын

The rich looking tasty rn

@MechAdv

29 күн бұрын

Stagflation baby!

@georgitodorov4048

29 күн бұрын

@@kurtwinter4422 You dont need NPU in the cpu on desktop with GPU

Petition to rename Ultra settings to Unoptimized settings

@Eleganttf2

29 күн бұрын

by your logic it should've been renamed to "Rich people only setting"

@celeridad6972

29 күн бұрын

​@@Eleganttf2 Wich would totally make sense really.

@rhoharane

29 күн бұрын

Some games that call the top setting "insane" or "epic" also make sense. A setting for when the game is old and even cheap cards can run it without breaking a sweat. I guess when that day comes for every game, a now-benign-sounding "ultra" will make sense.

@haukionkannel

29 күн бұрын

Rich settingis better!

@jaturnley

28 күн бұрын

More like "you wish you could afford to run it this way" settings.

I went from an R5 2600 to a 5700x3D this month. Absolutely insane upgrade. Like it completely refreshed my system. If you're still on OLD (1000, 2000, 3000) AM4 definitely recommend upgrading within AM4.

@Lazarosaliths

29 күн бұрын

Can you OC r7 5700x3d??

@zf8496

29 күн бұрын

@@Lazarosaliths you can using PBO/Curve Optimizer!

@MarcABrown-tt1fp

29 күн бұрын

​@Lazarosaliths Yes and no. The voltage is locked, and you can only adjust PBO 2.0 on some motherboards meaning silicon lottery is even more of a factor. Still its a powerful CPU.

@jamegumb7298

29 күн бұрын

@@Lazarosaliths Voltage is locked to not damage the memory they glued on. Sometimes with some bios or specially modifed bios it is possible but it _will_ damage the cpu, for getting records only.

@Lazarosaliths

29 күн бұрын

What kind OC are we talking about? With PBO 2.0 that is?

Ultra is/was the setting I want to use when I replay the game in 4-5 years after it came out initially.

@Boofski

29 күн бұрын

Exactly

@Lazarosaliths

29 күн бұрын

Based

I built my son a PC for Christmas. Wasn't quite 2024, but I went AM4 because I had a spare kit of DDR4 kicking around. 5600 + MSI Pro mATX board ran about 400 dollars CAD. Even with AM5 boards coming down in price, I wouldn't be able to put together an AM5 setup for that price.

@amz212

29 күн бұрын

In canada expect to pay 35 to 40% more than US. Allot of people seem to favoring am5 for new builders and i understand why but for budget builds a 5600 can take you up to 4070 ti/ 7900 xt

@twiggsherman3641

29 күн бұрын

@@amz212 I threw in a 229 CAD 6600. Plenty for performance for Fall Guys and the various games he plays.

@Eleganttf2

29 күн бұрын

@@twiggsherman3641 bless ya as a father my man

@amz212

29 күн бұрын

@@twiggsherman3641 thats more than enough! you got a good deal man!

@supabass4003

29 күн бұрын

damn my dad has never even used a computer

23:07 I'm with Tim. "End of Life" ("EOL") in this context is more of a technical term, meaning roughly the stop date for the manufacturing of the product. Intel will usually release a "Product Change Notification" (PCN) with a number of milestones, one of which is the last date that you can put in an (non-cancelable, non-returnable) order. Once that date arrives, they can 'cook' the last batch and the product is tagged as EOL.

@georgejones5019

29 күн бұрын

EoL to me, within the industry means no longer supported with updates for security or drivers and it becomes legacy hardware.

@cacheman

29 күн бұрын

@@georgejones5019 There's not going to be one clear-cut satisfying answer, especially when considering all the different parts of a platform, and various companies and industries. Some companies differentiate between EoL and EoS (End of Support), with EoS marking the end of software updates, tech-support, repairs, whatever depending on industry and company. For my outline, I drew on Intel PCN 119439-00, which concerns the 400-series chipset. It's written as outlined, and has "End of Life" in the title. Regardless, it's still up to the manufacturer to define the point of EoL and EoS.

To the point about legacy ports on motherboards. I used to work as an IT technician in a UK secondary school and many of the monitors the school had only had VGA ports. We're talking old monitors that the only reason they hadn't been thrown out was because they still worked. Finding the money to get replacements for equipment like this was also difficult.

I genuinely think that for the people who live in the real world, Zen 3 is still a perfectly viable option. I know it might not be the most representative sample, but most players on Steam are still on Zen 2 and a GTX 1060 or an RTX 2060/2070. I wish I had the money to get the best of the best but it's moving so fast... It's impossible to keep up unless you're ok with spending thousands of dollars/Euros/Pounds every 2/3 years. So yeah, while it may not be the most "future proof" thing to do (we all know it's BS anyway), AM4 with something like a ZEN 3 CPU should be more than enough for most people for a "real world" usage. PS: Still learning English so be kind to me :D

@rhoharane

29 күн бұрын

I think for a lot of places in the world, the prices went insane and never recovered. Such that there's nothing decent-value at a similar price we paid for a 1060 or 2060 we bought years ago. The 4060 here is nowhere near the $300 msrp and even if it were, I'm not comfortable spending that amount knowing 8GB won't last me the next 3 to 4 years or beyond.

@AVerySillySausage

29 күн бұрын

Even in the pretend world of high end gaming... CPU is not THAT important for gaming that you always need the latest, it matters more than it did during the 7th-8th console generation where Intel CPUs were stagnating and the games were limited by the trash laptop CPUs in those consoles, but still not that much. Even if you run a 4090, so long as you run it at the resolution it's designed for, it will still bottleneck a Zen 3 CPU in 90% of games, and the few exceptions you will still be getting a solid framerate.

@Anankin12

28 күн бұрын

AM4 is good if you're already on it or if you have carry over ddr4. If you don't, AM5 is a better deal. Not that am4 isn't sufficient, but 200+150+100 for a 7600 system with an acceptable b650 and a "slow" 32 gb kit is better than a 120+150+100 for a 5600 with an acceptable b550 (yes the am4 mobo are priced at similar or higher prices than am5, fuck them) 32 gb of fast ddr4. There's a 80$ difference (20% more) to get 20% more performance AND to get on a new upgradeable platform.

@Anankin12

28 күн бұрын

If you need very budget, go intel i3.

@Corle0ne

28 күн бұрын

Perfectly fine English buddy! :)

Default Overclocking Intel MB partners: It's the same picture

I wanted to upgrade my brother's PC to AM5 this Christmas, but it turned out the cheapest AM5 combo was twice as expensive as AM4 w/ an R5 3600. As much as AM5 would help with future upgrades and current performance, and taking into account the kind of games he's playing rn and that he's still running on a Polaris card, I deemed it not worth it.

@Lazarosaliths

29 күн бұрын

Its always about the best performance for your budget.

About the PS/2 and VGA ports, the same is true for Serial and Parallel which are supported on some motherboards - as Steve says, it is about industrial companies. They test and certify that connector X configured in a certain way in an installation (or Docker image) is known to work for that one particular use-case, and then stick with that setup. The more things they change, the more money they have to spend going through the re-certification process. Banking and Railways are two industries where this is a big issue.

Ive just bought a 5800x3d as ive been on am4 for years already. I'm getting close to 200 frames on all favourite games at 1440p so i cant see why i would need to go to AM5 anytime soon

@wafiq1958

29 күн бұрын

Totally valid, but i think its more for people that want to buy a new system, cause the base r6 7600 is on par with the 5800x3d, and the 7800x3d is about 20% faster in 1080p. i wouldn't expect similar gains with zen5, but it is very compelling regardless for new systems for value.

@Karibanu

29 күн бұрын

With the uplifts they're talking about for Zen5 I'm considering it, especially as most of the things I run are CPU bound, my GPU is definitely underused. Thats with a 5800x3d in my box ( it is brilliant though, enjoy it! ). I did seriously do some numbers for the 7950x3d because I could do with the cores, but that was not worth it. Although if they don't release win10 drivers then it'll be a pain, I'll have to actually start looking at VMs... I can also cascade old hardware into other uses so it's not like I'll lose all the value.

@vlaricshard2

29 күн бұрын

I'm hoping and praying I can leapfrog AM5

@Karibanu

29 күн бұрын

@@vlaricshard2 My rule of thumb has always been "dont' bother until you can double the performance", although sometimes that's "double the performance for specific things" like the multicore stuff I've been doing recently. I'm not sure Zen5 is going to be doubling 5xxx even with the uplift over Zen4 people are talking about...

@curryking1

29 күн бұрын

Zen3 has honestly been one of the greatest cpu gens ever got 3 PCs on it ❤

i am it in a company ..... half the monitors (about 800 computers ) if not more are still VGA when it comes to buisness and datacenters vga is still very widely used especially for tasks that do not need a fast pc and just need any pc !

@Lynnfield3440

29 күн бұрын

True, I still see a lot of vga

@adriankoch964

29 күн бұрын

VGA barely pushes the equivalent of a 1080p signal. Text just looks comparativly awful through even a mid tier vga cable. Sucks to have to do office work on such a screen, esp since cheap vga monitors will have crappy panels to begin with.

@glharlor

29 күн бұрын

​@@adriankoch964cheap Sceptre 24" monitors (roughly $100) are fantastic office monitors. We have tons of them with vga cables. There is 0 difference in quality if they are using vga or HDMI.

@berke__

29 күн бұрын

@@adriankoch964 Since work is done by remotely connecting to computers in places such as data centers, these devices are not used except for the initial installation and maintenance, and since VGA uses an analog signal, there is no possible static electricity problem

@venix20

29 күн бұрын

@@adriankoch964 i do not disagree , but as far they are working i do not see the logistics department approving the expense so the workers have more crisp looking letters while they do the exact same job .

Two things I think should be understood about the AM4 situation. The first is that there will likely always be a market for older Zen1/+ CPUs. There are people talking about just upgrading from 2000 series to a 5000. I'd imagine they wouldn't mind posting their old CPU up on Ebay that someone in some other region would be interested in because the latest are still way too expensive. The next is acknowledging that the fix for forward compatibility on boards with small ROMs was to remove features and older CPU support. That creates 2 very legitimate potential problems. Users upgrading their BIOS to support a new chip that disables the support for the old chip, which could leave them without a working computer if they update before having the new CPU in hand, or got a DOA or failure. The next issue is for people getting those CPUs 2nd hand, but not having boards available that haven't been updated. I work at a computer repair shop and have had a lot of AM4 systems come in. One user needed us to update his BIOS because he literally tossed his old CPU in the trash before doing it himself. I have the wherewithal to know a BIOS update can leave a system inoperable if it removes support for the current CPU, but I know not everyone working in such a place is going to. It's not uncommon to consider a BIOS update as a resolution to any number of issues, and not everyone is going to read the notes. They are still releasing AM4 CPUs, and there needed to be room to address them in the ROM. It doesn't seem appropriate to suggest that the only motivation was that AMD was trying to pull a fast one. With AM5, they've mandated larger ROMs and flashback support as standard. Those things clearly point to an intention of mitigating those drawbacks that existed with AM4.

Always a pleasure watching you too discuss current topics. If you get sec, 2 boards I'm interested in as get so many questions over them on local forum are the B650 Eagle AX as the vrm seem better than the more expensive B650 Gaming AX and also the asus tuf a620 gaming wifi, as on paper, it seems to be much more compelling than other a620 boards as has a 12+2 50a vrm setup which seems a lot more than the a620 board you tested earlier in the year..also 2.5gb lan. I don't see any reviews for either of these boards so shedding some light would be great. I'm hesitant to recommend an a620 board for gaming, esp on back of that asus prime a620 you looked at awhile back

We use KVMs that still have PS2 and VGA connections for our shared computers housed in server rooms at uni. Students remote into them using RDP or SSH but for us having re-use of 50 to 100 KVMs reduces costs when needing to stand in front of the machines.

I use a VGA output on one of these boards for playing old games ion a CRT monitor. Sometimes i use steam remote play to play modern ones. So it has it's niche use. I work in industrial electronics engineering and there are still some VGA systems, but they are normally purpose built systems and not consumer mainboards.

Overclocking wise I do like core sync and to take the turbo time limits off. This tends to be stable and lets you get those maximum rated speeds a lot more often.

On Zen6 AM5 support a compromise could be some high end CPUs using a derived socket perhaps branded Thread Ripper, supporting more PCIE & memory channels. If Zen5 is launched and they don't confirm Zen6 on the socket, then that's the time to suspect the plan hit snags.

I still use my older DasKeyboard, it has 2 USB 2.0 cables coming out of it, if you want N-key roll over you have to use the PS/2 adapter.

I had good ddr4 ram so I upgraded to b550 and a ryzen5600. I didn't have the budget for a newer platform. The b450 mobo and ryzen 2600 is still in use in the house too for the kids

You say that but recently put a new system together for my dad with an APU so needed motherboard outputs. I forgot how old his screen is and only have DVI and VGA. No dvi on the mobo so had to use the vga. Without it would have needed a new screen or at least a proper converter!

I don't have too much to say. I've been using a different mechanical 60% keyboard atm. I like how I have much more desk space now and every key sounds glorious with that RGB special effects.

In terms of old I/O options I believe still having VGA makes a lot more sense than having PS2 ports because the likelyhood of an older monitor still functioning is bigger than an old keyboard and/or mouse doing so, specially considering some old devices were built with the mindset of actually lasting and if needed getting repaired rather than being tossed aside and replaced after a short time. I've had an old MAG XJ CRT monitor that was purchased around the time we had an old Athlon and a P3 and said monitor only called its quits about the time the first gen of Intel's Core series came around. In comparison I've had a much much newer Smart Tv that had to be replaced after far less usage.

Regarding legacy ports like VGA, you can always buy an adaptor, like DP to VGA. But in terms of parrallel ports, often in the 90s or early 2000, there were fabrication systems or other industrial machinering (think a metal plate cutting machine, that was designed to run on these ports at the time. And they machines still run, and perform well, so they need older ports to make them work when the computer driving it from the 90s finaly dies.

I just built a system with AM5(R5 7600x) about 2 weeks ago, I really hope AMD give AM5 Zen 6 support, platform longevity was the reason I went with AM5 over Socket 1700 as Intel has ended support for it with 14th gen. I would really like to upgrade to 11000 series.

@niyablake

29 күн бұрын

It will

I got an AM4 motherboard last week (the MSI B550-A Pro) because the one i got in 2018 (MSI B350M Gaming Pro) wasn't being supported anymore. It's the last AM4 thing I will be buying, period. It's very solid. I'd already upgraded to the 5800X3D and RX 7900XT by that point. That system saw 2 new CPUs and 2 new GPUs since I bought it (3700X from 1700X and 3060Ti from GTX 1080 before the current spec).

I bought my AM5 expecting a minimum of one more generation. I will buy the biggest baddest CPU of that generation when AM6 comes out and its as cheap as possible and hold that for as long as I can. My 4th Gen I5 4460 lasted me 10 years I dont see why I would ever get AM6.... Maybe AM9..

@chrisnesbitt_jr

28 күн бұрын

Oh absolutely. I bought a 7800x3D and an X670 Aorus Elite. I fully intend on waiting until AM6 to upgrade to a new AM5 CPU. Then I will skip AM6 entirely 🤷‍♂

@AnonymousUser-ww6ns

26 күн бұрын

That’s seem smart wait until 2028 for AM5 to lose support and then buy the strongest cpu of that gen. Also I think Zen6 will work on AM5

@formulaic78

25 күн бұрын

I got the 7800x3D and an x570 board a few months ago. I fully expect to be able to skip the next AMD CPU generation and then buy the one after that. Bought the x570 board for pcie gen 5 and ddr5 support.

@smilingbandit6900

3 күн бұрын

@@formulaic78 either you meant X670(AM5) or X570(AM4) and 5800x3d but as written it makes no sense.

@formulaic78

3 күн бұрын

@@smilingbandit6900 Yep, I meant X670.

14:39 "Shy are people still obsessed with Ultra settings?" This is something that has irritated me for a long time. My guess it's somewhat connected with the consoles and the PC superiority claims. Let me go a bit back in time. When MechWarrior 2 and MW2 Mercenaries were released there were originally no hardware 3D support, and when looking at VGA cards there weren't really much in the way of hardware support for 2D graphics. It all was done in software. Yet the games supported resolutions and options that made it run as a slide show if you maxed everything. This was as close to "Ultra settings" as you can get, but even the best hardware available at this time resulted in something like 1 - 3 FPS no matter how much money you were able to throw at it. A few years later there was a patch to Mercenaries that allowed it to run with 3DFx Voodo cards, and it was a real upgrade. Still max settings were a slideshow. The idea of including these settings was not because they were usable, but because in a few years they might be usable, and I can't remember that people complained over the games being badly optimized or anything. Thing is we knew that the extreme setting were not usable now, but maybe in the future. Interstate 76 was the same. You tweaked the settings to suit your hardware, and no one could really tun the game at max settings of everything in any reasonable framerate. Yet there were not that much complaints about that. Now there was complaints over general stability and that was totally valid. With patches and faster hardware the game just got better with time as more and more of the high quality graphics options could be raised. Then came the big console leap. I'm mostly talking about Playstation and XBox. The thing is you really didn't have much to say about the graphics and game settings. But it worked. This schooled generations of players that games were to just work, which was not really how PC games had behaved. Now that the users were console schooled expectations of new PC gamers changed. As everything is supposed to work max settings are expected to be usable. if they are called Max, Ultra or whatever doesn't matter. People enables it all and are disappointed when the game becomes a slide show. Now in some games this will work with a Halo GPU like the 4090, but not really with anything less. Then people still feel cheated when their 4070 or RC 7700 presents less than 60 FPS, or even worse less than 30 FPS. This is irritating for me. Ultra settings are just that Ultra. They are not something you should expect to work at good performance with the hardware available as the game is released. Max settings is a bit harder to value. It could be just like Ultra, but it could also be something for the currently fastest hardware. It will still be there in a few years, and by then the hardware might just be able to use those settings and present a decent FPS.

Would you guys do potential overclocking guide on 6xx motherboards and am5 CPUs and Undervolt in the same video ? That would be lovely to be seen from your side of expertise

AMD knows that Zen6 has to be on AM5.

@sid7337

29 күн бұрын

it doesnt matter ... its a company ... they always try to get away with shady stuff to make more profit. When companies are in a dominant position in the market they just focus on making more and more profit. Just look at nvidia or Intel when AMD was making garbage processors.

@jakethewhale

29 күн бұрын

They will kill all their goodwill from AM4 if not

Must be taken in consideration price per wafer when talking about CPUs. That can go pretty high if there are problems related to production.

My understanding is that PS/2 ports is that they are interrupt based and not polling based like a USB peripherals.

If I had to guess, I'd say we will still get Zen 6 on AM5, and then some SKUs here and there. Like Zen 4, Zen 7 will likely just be a rather minor change with next-gen memory (DDR6) support.

I got a 5800x3d in March & I am beyond satisfied. For what I do it is fantastic. Im using a 3070TI & I'll probably upgrade to a new gpu next year. But I'm just so happy with my system right now it's not even on my mind.

shopped for a b660 with a PS/2 port because parting with the MS ergonomic keyboard I was using for >16yrs means I'd probably have to part with 400 usd on some limited run ergo board that would last, msi did have some z690s with a ps/2 too.

For all the trouble I had with AM4(7700x and 7900X3D), I held on to a 5950x/6900xth build.

Technically, if you are not counting the x3D variations, then AM4 lasted for only 4 years, 2016-2020 (which is still a lot but not as long as what people claim it to be). Zen 6 should still definitely be supported lol.

I was buying a fairly expensive AM4 board for my sons build recently and was surprised to see a PS2 port on it. I switched that one to a Gigabyte board to NOT have a board with PS2 on it. Maybe I could have pulled out a ball mouse or old ass keyboard and made him use it.... ;)

If you already on am4 and using like a 1000-3000 ryzen cpu with a decent motherboard. I think just upgrading to 5000 series you can get huge performance increase just swapping your CPU. I went from 3600 to 5800x3d. Huge gains and especially gaming performance is up there with the current gen. AM4 is magic

@ulagatin

28 күн бұрын

Agreed. About 18 months ago, I went from my 2700X to a 5950X. Incredible upgrade! That’s a lot of CPU for cheap when you consider you don’t need to rebuild, you don’t need to replace the motherboard, or the RAM.

@Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant

18 күн бұрын

Just went from b350 tomahawk/3600x to b550f rog/5800x3d myself, but I also am still rocking my 2080ti...

My next build is just waiting for the next gen of all products to launch, I have no idea what platform I will be on although it will most likely be a X3D CPU just for gaming. Not even gonna guess which team for GPU I will be on.

The cheap MOBOs are usually revamped from OEM designs, they just keep the same functions with a different paint for the off the shelf market

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but wasn't there certain situations where PS/2 mice were better than usb mice. Something about polling and the way the mice reported to the cpu.

thank god im currently upgrading to am5 now. i have planned just to buy a good b550m motherboard for my 5600 but then i thought heck i shouldve better upgrade while i can. now i have 7500f, ddr5 6000 and just waiting for my b650m motherboard to arrive

I hope a lot of locals with new computers and having VGA ports is great because a lot of them don't need to upgrade their monitor for what they do.

P/S2 is still > USB for keyboards. It's an interrupt protocol vs USB polling. It also requires no drivers to work. But not hot swappable 😢

Entry level is definitely AM4 for New Zealand - save up to $200 for a core kit compared to an AM5 core kit!

5600x is such a beast of a cpu that I struggle to see any reason for most people to do a whole new build

what camera are u guys using? it feels like ur in my room right now....im watching u on a hp x27i 1440p 144hz :)

16:22 The game _Tomb Raider: Legend,_ from 2006, had what I think is the correct answer to that question, at least in terms of naming. There was an option called Next Generation Content, which used completely different rendering. It wasn't completely stable, and it's debatable whether it really looked better, but the concept is sound - call settings that aren't supposed to work with contemporaneous graphics cards "Next Generation", and it's clear that this is something that should only be used in the future when hardware has become notably faster.

I expect we'll find out the answer to Zen 6 on AM5 at the AMD Keynote on June 2nd (NA time), so only 5 weeks away! .. and who knows, maybe a 5090 announce from Jensen that same day too, since he does have a "keynote".

lol I got to the end of the video and thought I might as well play some Quake Champions

That's incorrect about VGA & PS/2. The reason for VGA ports is because it still makes the screen react much quicker than DVI/DisplayPort or even HDMI, it has much lower input latency than all of them. That's why extreme overclocking boards still have them. Same reason why the PS/2 port is still on some extreme overclocking boards over USB because USB does not work the same way as PS/2 port & during an extreme overclocks the USB keyboards cannot react fast enough to enter bios. the PS/2 port works by using ultra-low level interrupts to the board. While the USB works on signal clock, for which with certain overclocking tunes can be completely ignored by the board.

There are a lot of KVM switches out in the wild that use PS/2.

Zen 4's low sales is due purely to LGA socket and high AM5 motherboard prices because of said LGA socket. I still haven't sold a single one to a customer who still want AM4 CPU's and motherboards.

Im using PBO2 on my 5800x3D. I get a little bit more frequency but it runs on average 10 degrees C cooler than stock. It would constantly sit in the mid 80c before.

@sega_kid4288

29 күн бұрын

80c/70c @ idle? That seems high. You may want to reapply some thermal paste and/or reseat your cooler.

@LewisRoberts93

29 күн бұрын

@@sega_kid4288 good god not at idle hahah. Thats in game and in a game which is particularly hard on the CPU.

Concerning Zen 6 on AM5 - They could always release Zen6 on both AM5 and AM6 thereby keeping everyone happy (it should be quite easy to disable extra memory channels that Zen 6 might have that AM5 socket hasn't got) !

@geekmechanic1473

29 күн бұрын

I would imagine that would make things worse as people would question why they couldnt just stay on am5 at that point if they share the same socket.

Direct Storage is overhyped on account on SSD speeds being ridiculously overhyped for what normal use is concerned. As we saw with RTX IO Portal, the tech is awesome for SATA SSDs. Ironically, Direct Storage hypers would buy their fast SSD, get a heat sink, for the games loadings, then wait for Direct Storage to do its magic (it doesn't) and of course all this while having run out of storage space because they should've gotten a larger mid performance SSD, and buy the fast one later on if need be.

What's better for content creation/production work? an X3D? or a non-X3d?

Heres my case: I have two PCs 1- R7 1700x + B350 + 32gb 3200 + RX550 I use it in my homestudio, to study music and record my own stuff. Bought shortly after the release of 1700x. It is still running good things like Reaper and instrument plug-ins. Second PC is R7 3700x +X570 + 32gb 3600 CL14 + 1080ti. Used for gaming and basic office/editing stuff. Second PC was upgraded today with 5900X! It will be my studio PC. I'll sell 1700x PC and 3700x processor. I'll build a new AM5 7800x3d initially with 1080ti and asap RTX 5000 series. Man...years of AM4 using! Excellent!!! Thanks AMD!

I just got an asus x670 mobo for my 7950x3d. Should I be turning on the ai overclock feature?

AM5 end of life question probably meant that, there were "rumor" or extracted microcode (mis)interpretation about a possible AM5+ update? My question is, what`s a good AM5 motherboard(ATX) with 2 USB 3.0 front header ( + 1 type C, and 3 or more m.2 slots)? Something like the X670E Steel Legend / Pro RS. Not many (if any) B650 has this, sure I could buy a PCI add in card. But that could disable bottom m.2 slots maybe(?). I have a Lian Li 216 case with the extra USB panel/RGB control thingy, and using a B550 MSI Gaming plus motherboard (m.2 slots are filled). Thanks in advance.

@richardpinter4688

29 күн бұрын

@@fups1 Thank You for that one. I tried to look up AM5 motherboard comparison spread sheets on reddit with not much luck(old links, incomplete excel documents).

I bought a 5000 series last month. I returned it and deiced AM5 is the way to go

I am glad these new chips and motherboards exist for the people who need them . Engineers, Graphics Artist and the Medical system. For the layman though that use just video streaming and general use. I would not recommend an upgrade. We spend too much money on the newest and greatest stuff. My system is an AMD 3 motherboard, with a FX 6100 chip. Nvidia 1030 Card Over 10 years old. Never had a problem . The secret is to re thermal paste the cooler and every 6 months clean the case and fans.. Just my take on the state of computing

Been rocking my 5950x rig since 2021. I plan on skipping am5 altogether and will upgrade when am6 hits. The only upgrade i did was a 3070 to 7900xt. With decent curve + pbo settings my rig will last me regardless. I personally wouldn't build an am4 rig at this point either but those who are stuck on it I think our systems are still sufficient

@JessicaAriadne

25 күн бұрын

I got a 5900x and I can't decide if I made a wise decision sticking with am4 or not (it was a new build, not an upgrade). I did get the cpu at like 51% off, though.

DirectStorage could be pretty great, but on PC it was way late, and GPUs are still missing a dedicated decompression block for it, so using GPU decompression is just a hit to GPU performance while saving CPU performance, and most people are GPU limited rather than CPU limited.

@danieloberhofer9035

29 күн бұрын

This, basically. DirectStorage is just less useful on PCs than its equivalent is on consoles. But that's OK, not every technology has to be revolutionary, widely adopted, useful in every single case and of universal benefit. There will be situations where it shines, there will be other situations where it's useless. So what.

There are active DP to VGA dongles, powered straight from the DP port. They are under $10. There's no reason to feature VGA output ports anywhere.

Conversion cables - DP to VGA, DVI....

The answer as to why some boards still have VGA and PS2 ports is simple: datacenter KVMs. Lots of datacenters use disposable commodity mobos and CPUs in open air racks using PXE boot for compute rather than spending 20-30x the price for purpose built systems with the same compute power but more enterprise features. Those datacenters tend to use old legacy KVM systems for management, and almost all of those systems use VGA and PS/2. They run these mobos until something burns out, then a guy comes in, unplugs the power, network, PS/2 and VGA ports, slots in a new one, KVMs into it to get it configured, and tosses the old HW into a pile for disposal. As Tim said, these companies are probably ordering mobos in lots of 1000+ a year, and the manufacturers are willing to make a special product that fits this use case because they sell 100x more product to this market share than all of the gaming market combined.

@ilpalazzoworldconquerovich6461

28 күн бұрын

PS/2 port is good to have. I do IT support in a 100 seat institution. There is a windows bug that makes USB keyboard unresponsive on boot some times. Works in BIOS then dies when WIndows loads. You can observe this when numlock light goes down. Connecting PS/2 KB if there is a port solves the problem but otherwise you have to remote in and nuke USB root drivers. It's good to have a possibility to have KB connected to a port that actually interrupts the PC the hard way if needed. For me having at least one PS/2 port is a plus when shopping for motherboards.

Back when AM4 was newer I decided to go with the 9700KF on Z390 not because it was that much better, it wasn't a crazy amount more and I felt I could trust it to be reliable; I didn't see Ryzen becoming what it has. Now I kick myself because I'd have upgraded to a 5800X3D... However, there was no way of knowing it'd be as successful as it was. The longevity of AM4 is amazing and woulda worked great for me. Especially with X3D being amazing in Star Citizen. I dont really care tho cause there's no changing the past. I will however be upgrading sometime around black friday and I hope I can, make a better choice, get a nice and fresh AM5 X770(if it's called that) that has USB/Thunderbolt 4 out the wazoo, definite PCIE 5 support, and slap a 7800X3D on a black friday sale in, cause Zen5 should be out. Thats my hope at least. Then I'll upgrade my 6900XT in like five more years or something 😅. Get a 6090 or something lol

I was one of those early adopters of AM5, and because I was chasing high end Audio, I ended up paying over $800 (Australian Dollars) for ROG Strix X670E-F Mother Board. Of course, less than 6 months later, they announce the X3D CPU's, after I'd purchased the Ryzen 7 7700X......wish I'd known that was coming..... So I'd really be pissed if they went to AM6 with literally only 1 upgrade since I purchased my upgrade in November of 2022.

You can make some of this case about intel now regarding value. I bought the 13900kf for 500 when 7950 was 750 and i used old ram. It has issues though right with the heat. Not sure there really is a free lunch. The biggest thing for me back when amd was the underdog was the cores they added. With intel we were stuck at 4. That was a big deal. Intel kind of has done that now, practically they are evenly matched that's good for competition; You have one wanting market share the other wants to keep it. Will amd raise prices probably yes. But take note it's very competitive. I don't think personally it will last. They are over estimating the issue with intel in that case. You may lose 5% with intel maybe, and energy just doesn't matter that much it does matter it's just not the only thing to consider. Some but not that much. Not 100 dollars maybe 40 dollars. Intel is very competitive, and the differences between the cpus it's nothing like with amd and nvidia. Nvidia really can do things amd cannot. I'm not saying amd is bad but they are different products. You may not all want those things and that's ok, but that is how this competition factors into this. Just look at the prices to explain it. It's usually very logical. I guess that's what you are saying though. I'm personally happy with my intel cpu even now just because of the price. I do a productivity/gaming build. If the prices were identical i'd have gone with amd because of the energy and some of the potential software issues with big little (being newer). It's not worth much though. Not when the performance is basically the same for most use cases.

What AIO is shown in 17:53 and is it any good?

do you think an x3d version of zen5 will be also 6month later as zen4 was?

In recent testing the 7900xtx was the 15th fastest GPU for path tracing.

Got a 5800x3d used for $150 and it runs perfectly. He said it was only a few days old which is strange.

@JessicaAriadne

25 күн бұрын

Nice grab!

@friedzombie4

21 күн бұрын

Good grab mate, I got a used 5800x3d for $200 coming today, we'll see how will it performs.

Question, If the motherboard settings tune the ram, is there really a difference in intel vs. amd ram? Or is that just marketing. I currently have intel ram in my amd system and tuned it to what I wanted.

BTW, where do they get these questions from? Patreon?

@hussein25580

29 күн бұрын

YT Community Posts, Discord, and Patreon.

I actually don't overclock most of the time. I just undervolt my PC most of the time. Because it feels more worth it to save the Watt than to use even more Watt and getting more performance

I use a VGA port because it's enough for me and because I use a KVM switch to connect the computers of some of my clients. And no, I don't have neither the space nor the budget to have two sets of monitors, keyboards and mouses.

AMD has a fiduciary responsibility towards their shareholders to increase revenue. Like you guys said, bulldozer was awful, they pretty much lost their entire marketshare and had to provide great bang for the buck as they introduced Ryzen.

My plan for the moment is to upgrade my graphics card with next release of upper-mid tier cards, then upgrade cpu/motherboard with release of cpus in 2 years. My 5800x3d is plenty good for what I'm doing now, and I want to move to 4k & 1440p gaming. Currently doing 1080p on a 5700xt. I've been buying the top tier games on my ps5 because my graphics card struggles with the newer stuff. Heck, I spend most of my time playing Civ 6 on 1080p max settings, and my gpu is pegged. I checked GPU memory usage, and it's wanting 9.8 GB of memory on an 8GB graphics card. I tried playing Starfield on my pc, but it was so choppy, I gave up. Sure, I could have turned everything from med to low or dropped down a resolution, but a person has to have some standards. :)

I wonder when PCIe 5.0 x16 will be required for new graphic cards. Will 5000 series ? 6000?

Any speculation on how low Zen 4 may go before/when Zen 5 comes out? A 7900X3D at $350 US is awfully tempting right now. Also, would you go 7800X3D and 64gb ram or 7900X3D and 32gb? For mixed use/4k gaming.

@joeykeilholz925

29 күн бұрын

No way 64 GB makes any sense for games. 7800x3d is faster for games than 7900x3d and usually less expensive. There you go. If you want the performance hit of the cache not being accessible by some cores and all the software mitigation you may have to worry about, go for it

I hope so but sincerely doubt it would come to fruition.

Ultra settings is definitely in the PC Master Race meme zone.

It's all a interesting discussion. Have a almost 5 years old, Asus B550 F Gaming. AM4 will work for more 4-5 years

I've just upgraded from a 4790k with 32Gb ddr3 2400mhz to a simple AMD 7600 with 32Gb 6000mhz and the jump uas been insane. I only opted for a 7600 as im waiting for the next gen to drop, cant wait

The main problem with features like Direct Storage is basically same thing we could observe with memory expansion cards for systems back in times of Comodore 64, they would make card or cartridge that would expend memory or maybe even add functionality. But games would very rarely use it because all games would get made for baseline system that 100% of system owners have. So you would get few odd games that would adapt it. Because they don't want to sell to subset of subset of customers. Like 10-30% that might have had that expansion card. They want to sell to everyone. Same is with Direct Storage. They don't want to make game that needs it and immediately alienate SATA SSD users, HDD users, slow old NVMe users,...they want to sell to as many users as possible. So they will either not bother at all or make implementation that makes it very optional. I mean look at the gamescape now, sure we got games that require SSD and don't work well off HDD. But how many of them require anything beyond SATA SSD? Maybe Rachet & Clank, but I am not even sure for that one. Sure raytracing was accepted, but i can imagine nVidia was investing fortune into accelerating that and even that is just at stage of nice to have but optional. If nVidia didn't bother and just made it available, probably half of the games we got wouldn't use it. Sure all of that will get required eventually, but only when developers are sure that most customers will be able to play their game even if they require it. And good portion of rest would have too old hardware to play it anyway. In the end game development is business, it is sales driven. It isn't most technically demanding driven. Hence why Crysis is more one of a kind than regular stuff. Would love to see more of it, but it would require someone who would say they don't need to earn much.

RTX 5060 8Gb vram and 48bit Memory bus.

@sidewinder86ify

29 күн бұрын

Also, cloud based DLSS 3.3.

@ed1659

29 күн бұрын

you meant 6GB and later 3GB variant refresh

@Lynnfield3440

29 күн бұрын

5060 4GB.

@Lynnfield3440

29 күн бұрын

​@@ed1659No ,the refresh will be 1.5GB

@christophermullins7163

29 күн бұрын

48bit lmao so 1 and a 1/2 memory channels? Lmao yeah that'll be a great buy

I'm on 5950X, and I'm extremely satisfied. But definately will buy 9950X on premiere.

The only thing I will add to the overclock conversation is that Radeon GPUs would be an exception to the rule. They still love a good UV/OC and you can gain some serious performance depending on the GPU. Definitely worth a shot with Radeon 6000 and 7000 cards.

I just upgraded 7700k to R5 5600 with A520 mobo for less than $200 and I am impressed by the improvement in gaming and multitask.

Hi guys, Which is the better motherboard for 7800X3D...? ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F or MSI X670E Gaming Plus WIFI Thanks!

old vga and ps 2 ports are sometimes used in production/factory environments...and, alternatively, it's also possible they have contracts that are meant to be upheld until a specified date...financial conspiracy.

AFAIK, Intel dropped VGA support at Skylake (original 6th gen Skylake). Mobo manufacturers keep it around for...folks who don't want to go all digital...? Around that time I only had a VGA monitor.

The problem with tweaking graphics settings is that many devs don't show you a visual preview of each setting. So some people just resort to 'ultra', particularly if they feel that their PC can brute force through it, as it takes a bit of time to optimise settings. Also, something labelled 'medium' or 'low' quality doesn't mean anything to me. It's arbitrary.

Looking for outro music cannot find it on youtube

I can't seem to find the chapter where the VRAM thing is discussed?

@AponTechy

29 күн бұрын

Same

@xpodx

29 күн бұрын

I think it was on accident, that's probably for an upcoming video.

@ICCraider

29 күн бұрын

The VRAM has only been an issue on a select few horrible PC ports. It's not a problem on most well optimized games. It's kinda crazy how RE4 remake and the last of us uses more than 50% more vram than cyberpunk lol. It's the devs that are the problem, not the hardware. The best we can do is not buy their games. -And get it from the high seas.-

@sega_kid4288

29 күн бұрын

If you want to pay more for less of anything no one’s stopping you. I can’t see any negatives from asking company for more for our money but 🤷🏾.