There are many ancient burial mounds in the Netherlands and in the north east a good many stone longbarrows (hunebedden), but so far this is the only other neolithic or bronze-age circular structure I know of..

@Swamp_Lad

Ай бұрын

We don’t have a lot of big stones in areas where you would suspect a lot of people

The ancient trade-routes are fascinating. Think of the bravery of the merchants...

Have you noticed the day this was released? 21th of june. I think they hoped for a group to arise to help preserve the site. But given nothing can be seen but discolorations due post holes, nobody showed up to fight for it

@faramund9865

Жыл бұрын

We made petitions in the Netherlands. I don't know how they're doing.

I think the archaeological report has already been published but it was in Dutch on the youtube channel history with kayleigh she said she already read the report because she is Dutch, as far as i know in many countries the reports are only published in their language like spain that half of them don't have translation into english, and preliminary reports these are never translated

There are many passage tombs in Holland, that are associated with larger complexes. But I have not seen a circular henge before. R

@antoniescargo1529

2 ай бұрын

They are not in Holland but in Drenthe. In Dutch 'hunebedden'.

As noted by an earlier commenter, funding is often an issue that affects information about archeological sites.

Sadly I think most of the best and most interesting archeology is under water now in Doggerland

@telebubba5527

Жыл бұрын

Personally I view the Netherlands as being the last remnant of Doggerland, since many of our issues are the same as they were for the rest of the whole area. We are just on the edge, partly of what went under water and dry land and have managed to grab some of it back (the polders). Without all the protection, half of the country would be joining the rest of Doggerland.

Agree with your assessment of the importance of this find and appreciation of the methodology. Comparisons to Stonehenge may be intended to bring funding to ongoing work on the project. Though the original site was lost to development, there were suggestions that a reconstruction on a new site might be undertaken in the future. Looking forward to learning more about the woman and her shroud bead. Please keep us posted!

@telebubba5527

Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see how it looked like in real life, though it would never be as thorough as on the original site. The Netherlands has never really been so carefull with sites like these. Even the Hunnebeds are completely dismantled to thier bare rocks.

Thank you, Guys. Very interesting and informative.

Gosh. This is amazing. One wonders what will be next. I'm still waiting to see what more is found about the 500 or more megaliths found near Huelva in S Spain. I doubt theyve had time to set up the basics and all the preparatory work yet.

I think the only reason we find it difficult to give these guys credit for building such a site for keeping track of celestial movements is that we can't see the stars or the milky way like the used to. If we could we wouldnt be so quick too poo poo this idea. Also we must remember that these humans we AS intelligent as we are today. Probably more so. Take your self of on a weekend trip with no lighter, torch or clothing and see how you get on?!

@Swamp_Lad

Ай бұрын

You are spot on. I am from the Netherlands and although I have been outdoors all my life background light made that I Only experienced the Milky Way for the first time when I was sixteen. I literally hadn t seen absolute darkness till that time and didn’t get the expression: I can’t see a hand before my eyes (Dutch proverb). What I then saw literally shocked me; the milky way and sattelites wizzing by t crazy speeds. So yes obviously in a near total darkness society that is where the god would be. I

isn't odd that people then oriented things in line with the brightest things in the sky. and went out of their way to get things from other people that they liked... how curious.

Thank you for this information. If I remember well I vaguely heard about this find. But now I'll search for more (in Dutch).

being new, you know I'm going to ask my stupid questions; could some of those 'spiritual pillars' that allow the Sun to peep between, I'm thinking if you put a thatch or wood whatever roof on some of those structures, you basically end up with just a really good place to put a "window" for maximum use of light inside the structure? or am i waaaaaay off?

@ThePrehistoryGuys

Жыл бұрын

That's absolutely a valid query - and not just for this site either! Sadly, supporting evidence most unlikely to ever be found. M.

@oddevents8395

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePrehistoryGuys Sorry, just felt I needed to clarify a little; didn't mean to make light of anything Spiritual associated with the site. I've just noticed that a lot of people looking at this "old" stuff, seem to be 'stuck' visually with what the surrounding area(s) look like today. I'm more speaking about the Pyramids and the visual that its always been desert. So to clarify what I kinda mean is - it is absolutely fascinating that all of these places have a "mystical alignment" on date 'X' but people still lived there the other 364 days a year and life went on Dailey; so in addition to spiritual concepts, "life" still had to be included in the design. If that makes any sense.

Look at interior pictures of the Portland Washington Forestry building before it burned in 1964. It was a tree henge inside. For a while it was the largest log cabin in the world. They may have meant to do neoclassical columns but these logs are so big that isn't the impression at all. The artist's impression of a few tattered logs stood-up in two rows is depressing in it's bleakness. We can't tell if they planted trees in designs can we? Even I planted contorted willow in rows down the property line.

The 'football pitch' metric is so very hackneyed and yet bizarre. I propose the Avebury metric instead. Or for really big stuff, the Thornborough metric.

I would definitely go see the finds in the Museum in Tiel when they open this exhibition to the public

Oooo morning treats! Thank you sirs 💛

A lot of in-process excavations aren't published in the interim to keep potential looters and casually interested lookey-loos away. What I like about you folks is your refusal to ascribe some potential significance to certain sites and objects (cue the priest/priestess viewing alignments story in the article).

I think the ineresting point is the belief systems that made their way through Europe, and where does Doggerland fit in? We also can't igmore the sea and river routes

@marcharsveld2914

Жыл бұрын

Doggerland is done by now.

In Archeology, three bricks make a wall, and one bead makes a continent-wide trading network.

Very interesting and to the point, thanks guys hope you are both doing well. Now in my knowledge the Netherlands are a bit flat and these sort of sites are usually located in higher lying points in the land, so is this site on a higher elevation than the surrounding low land which in the case of the Netherlands could 1ft above sea level?

@faramund9865

Жыл бұрын

Tiel lies on northbank of the 'Waal' on the 'Betuwe' 'isle', the very same that the Batavii lived on. As you can see, name still exists, people still exists. And yes, it is flat there.

So, if this finding is like our Woodhenge, then could they have a Stonehenge somewhere in the local area to this, many possibilities. Caroline

@jaspermolenaar1218

Жыл бұрын

There is no natural stone in this area, which is the reason that only in the Northeast part of the country stone longbarrows were erected. The stones for these were pushed there from scandinavia by the land-ice during the glacial periods. But that’s about 150 kilometers from this location. Bringing Stones from there would have been impossible, due to swampy areas and huge rivers to be crossed.. If anything there could have been multiple woodhenges!

@marcharsveld2914

Жыл бұрын

Nope. No natural deposition of stones. There's only clay, sand and peat to be found near Tiel. An alluvial environment so to speak.

Who were your “Namesakes”? I have my teddy, bear at 62, his name is Rupert, too 😊

Perhaps the 'articles' were buried there because the light was good, rather than vice-versa?

@marcharsveld2914

Жыл бұрын

So at least we can conclude the articles were burried in broad daylight! Can we?

I personally didn't read it at a literal comparison to Stonehenge. I read it in relation to the region it was found in and that the significance for that region. I enjoy the talk and discussion, however I often find myself doing a face-palm at the literal takes. The condescension can get, rather thick.

Crazy suggestion, what if the dating on either site is wrong, and that they're actually from the same period? The older Stone Henge and this site in the Netherlands.

I've been wondering if you guys would do a video on this one. And once again loving you both mirroring my thoughts on it lol I was also wondering if the Sudan and the woodhenge like structures there might feature in goblekli tepe to stonehenge. I forget the name of the site atm sorry Micheal and Rupert. When it comes to me I'll comment it (though you probably mentioned it before and I'm having a grey moment lol)

@chubbymoth5810

Жыл бұрын

Other than groups of people putting a tonne of effort in building communal structures the places have little in common.

Wouldn’t it make some sense for there to be other henges around the ancient world? Esp throughout Europe? Aren’t a lot of the ancient groups connected through either migration or trade or conquest? If so it would seem to make sense to me that there’s some sort of connection to their spiritual beliefs, somewhere down the line at least. I’m probably completely and totally wrong. I’m still just starting to try to learn about how Europe was inhabited, settled and generally evolved into the various tribes and kingdoms and whatnot. I’d be really grateful for some insight on my questions above… at least the cliffs notes version lol

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Can't blame the hyping it up. Normally it is about sticks in the mud. At least you have rocks elsewhere. Planks with a rusty nail in it is about as King Tut as it gets here.

you won´t believe how much this site sturred the spititual community in the netherlands. it starting to get a bit grazy. from what I red about it it was more a woodhenge.

@marcharsveld2914

Жыл бұрын

Pilgrims will invade the new industrial zone soon.

Gaaf 😀

Are there stones in a henge? Wut? From the sounds of your assessment this could be a very interesting site all on it's own merits.

I wonder what those " million objects" were and how many of them were just natural stones ?

Covid hiatus caused delay in publishing?

@ThePrehistoryGuys

Жыл бұрын

Probably - and as we hinted in the piece, we think that the complexity and abundance of the site must have made it a nightmare to co-ordinate. Especially as they must have been under time pressures to complete so the developers could get back in. M.

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@davids4313

Жыл бұрын

Well hello you.

This is like several decades of popular music in which every good new band was said to be the new Beatles?! 😂

Who to tell about the size of Noah's Ark.

As you said, nothing like this has ever been found in the Netherlands. So how do you tell people what it is? By saying it's LIKE (not 'as') Stonehenge, which almost everybody is familiar with. You're making way too much of the 'comparison'. It was never intended to make people believe there's an actual second Stonehenge in the Netherlands. It was just a quick and perhaps dirty way of onelining the find. This made you come across as a bit defensive, haha!

@ThePrehistoryGuys

Жыл бұрын

Fair comment Judith. As you can see, we're not averse to exploiting the Stonehenge angle when it can earn us a few clicks, but I'd stand by the idea that it is often a distraction from the real value of a find or excavation. But you're right. Sometimes how else are you going to draw attention? M.

Just a thought: "The Atlantis Blueprint" by Colin Wilson and Rand Flem-Ath proposes that if one uses the Great Pyramid as the Prime Meridian rather than Greenwich, and one uses the position of the North pole at various times through out the past, one finds that a surprising amount of ancient cities and monuments fall directly onto those revised degree gridlines as whole numbers rather than as decimals. Stonehenge shows up at 30 degrees west when the N. Pole was located in the Yukon. Appendix 1 contains a list of cities and monuments and the times in history that they were aligned with other cities and monuments. Could make a fun episode if you run out of ideas. Cheers.

Why do people bring Stonehenge up all the time? It is pretty but so much more recent than other archaeological sites across the British Isles. I took my Father to see it some years ago. The official guide started by saying it was the oldest and most important site in the world. How are they allowed lie like that?

Its not megalithic

13:53 a Priest/Astronomer/Engineer? Dude knows where to put stuff for best use based on planets, starts and the Sun? Watching y'all's channel and other researchers, I get they "weren't following sports teams back then" lol, lots of stories from all over where they "followed" (gods?) celestial bodies and it reflects in their building methods. At some point, 'organized religion' included scientist/builders/ect. Everyone wasn't involved in just the "worshiping" part.

What bothers me about archeologists is that they build all sorts of wild theories based on almost nothing. They find a fish bone and they think they have found live on Mars.

That is why it said "Stonehenge" and not Stonehenge...it is obviously a woodhenge...i do understand the smug nervous fake laughter especially from the guy on the right... cause it is considered one of the few, solely British, culture phenomena they have got...and now it might not be...so no matter what they have found in Tiel...(which by the way is not near Rotterdam.)..these guys attitude,here above, tells me they already made their minds up...and going to criticize this find no matter what... Typical English Frisiofobia...nothing new...for example:...they rather made up the term Anglo-saxon then to admit britain was swarmed with frisians after the romans lost power... don't take my word for it...investigations shows it is in the british DNA and language...and in the juwelry found...f.e.compare the fibula of Dorestad with the hoard from Sutton Hoo ...that also shows a connection...archeologists will never understand Brittain's dark ages if they keep looking in the wrong direction... The Dutch on the other hand celebrate their independence by honouring the Sea-Beggars (who predominantly where British and Dutch) every april the first...and they admit,without Elisabeth I, there may not even be a Netherlands... Stop polluting history... From now on... 1) no more "Anglo-saxon" as the frisians are the angles and saxons with a touch of chauci and viking...Anglo-Frisians would be more correct... 2)King Billy wasn't invited by parliament...only a handful of parliamentary conspirators knew of this plan...too many Catholics came to power in neighbouring countries and were threatening Dutch freedom... Attack is the best defense is still their motto in sports...Aanvallùhhh!!!... 3)Holmes bonfire burnt down the dutch trade fleet...two weeks later london burnt down...you do the math with your bakery story... 4)stop saying the British army won Waterloo...only 20% of the soldiers actually came from Brittain...it was an allied Army under command of Wellington...to me the Prussians and i believe it was Chassé who were the decisive factors... 5)The dutch had a huge role in defeating the Armada's...blokking their harbours so the Spanish couldn't load their army on board...Tromp was by far the best admiral defeating the second Armada and defended the channel in keelline position for the first time...a gamechanger...and a saviour for Brittain... 5) i dont understand why the british do this...every year on may the 4th i thank the allied forces for my freedom and honour the fallen with two minutes of silence...the British were brilliant those five years of horror...and i am very thankful...that is a lesson in respect for the stupid fake laughter in this video... As i say...first listen...then watch...then check...and finally Blahblahblahblah... Sorry my British friends... i was so annoyed with the stupid and denigrated laughter,while this guy hasn't even taken the time to take a serious look at the evidence...cause with attitudes like these two have in this video is how misunderstanding starts... Thank you...🇳🇱♥️🇬🇧

Some British arrogance...?