These discussions and ruminations....in this day and age.... simply wonderful

@PhoenixLyon

4 жыл бұрын

Kinda like sitting at a table with them. I like this better than podcasts. I like to see faces...expressions can say so much.✌😺

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Very kind of you to say so! 😊Best wishes from Michael

Thanks guys. Really helped to sort the rubbish from the facts. I live close by the 'chieftain' and the 'shaman' and walk past the spot where they were buried almost daily on my lockdown walk. Lechlade is stuffed full of archaeology and a great place. I wish more archaeology could be done because I suspect there is a lot more to be found (preferably without the need for skate parks though!)

A four cow funeral must have been quite a do. How many people would four cows feed? Those cow remains were buried higher or later, after the wake, and facing away as in hitched to a imaginary cart or plough ?

@PhoenixLyon

4 жыл бұрын

Why not cows. Odin's war chariot was pulled by oxen, I think, Thor's by .goats, one of the female Aesir had cats. Interesting.✌😺

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Michael here. Oooh - did we say they were cows? Have to check back on that. The report only refers to them as 'cattle'.

@garyhewitt489

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThePrehistoryGuys Well cows just trips of the tongue better than bovine animals. So where they mighty Aurochs, wild fierce majestic beasts worthy a hero chieftains funeral. Or puny stunted domesticated beasts

A nice birthday present for me today, Thank you.

@PhoenixLyon

4 жыл бұрын

Happy birthday!✌😺

@jimmybamber4378

4 жыл бұрын

Happy birthday 😀🍰

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Hey - happy birthday! Glad we could make a contribution! best wishes from Michael & Rupert 😊

@crazykansan3026

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimmybamber4378 Thank you

@crazykansan3026

4 жыл бұрын

@@PhoenixLyon Thank you

Thanks for sorting it out guys. Good Video as always!

Liking the new format guys! Really great stuff! Seems like being a shaman in prehistory was big business! There everywhere!! XD

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jorge. Glad you liked it. 😊

You guys are so ‘watchable’ , so enjoyable.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul!

Enjoyed that, the perfect accompaniment for breakfast 🙂

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nick! 😊

Hey guys, it's "Lizzie" 🤣 Just to throw a spanner in the works, my view on 'positions' = facing summer solstice sunrise and winter solstice sunrise... cattle, well, beasts of burden - pre-horse plough pullers... the Uffington white horse is set above, and pulling the fires from 'dragon hill' (representing the sun) up from the winter solstice sunrise - arguably later. Amber bead, gold in colour, only one, well there's only one sun 🤷‍♂️ - drawstring bag, well... yeah sure - but maybe, if you can afford it, you have a "sun bead" protecting your last McHappyMeal..? You can speculate a HUGE amount. Being buried seated, well, maybe it was someone who didn't sleep well laid down, and said "bury me sitting"? I can see it - I don't want to spend eternity on my back... be bloody uncomfortable if you ask me. Unique? Maybe, that we have discovered so far... probability is that they're completely unrelated, but both respecting different solstices. If they are, well, maybe the seated guy with only two cows died during a recession? This is why it is fascinating... I study like mad to unpick this stuff, but, to uncover all of it would take multiple lifetimes - all we can do is make jigsaw pieces... but if we don't, well, we will never know.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

It's amazing how this one seems to spark the imagination. Many many comments! And in other news ... thank you. You are a star! 😊

Wow, the P-Guys dropped a new special! That means instant liking and then watching & enjoying ... Thanks! Btw, how come that some have already seen it 2 days ago? Patrons?

@treering8228

4 жыл бұрын

Stan Libuda Thanks for asking, I was wondering the same

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stan 😊 Good question! And you're absolutely right. Our Patreon patrons get early access to most of our content - and their own exclusive stuff too! www.patreon.com/theprehistoryguys

thanks guys love your sense of humour and sense o smell for fake news!!

Thanks again for clearing the garbage and shedding some light on the burials, and mentioning the amber bead.... Being able to make fire must have been incredibility important, maybe a significant skill, which is probably why so many "high status" people were buried with their fire-making kit. As in life you would carry this kit around with you at all times, it would be very important not to lose any part of it, so putting it into a handy, drawstring bag, with a pretty amber bead to hold it safely shut, would be extremely practical and logical. Just my thoughts on the matter!

Amazing find. I was wondering if there is any existing database of grave finds at universities or other institutions accessible to the public. Wouldn't it be awesome if we could query such a database for eg "how many times has a single amber bead been found in a grave from this timeframe?", "which other examples do we have of whalebone pommels?" - without having to dig into our memories or literature. I know these type of databases often exist but are seldom accessible to the public. I'm very much in favor of making such information available to the larger public. Who knows what insight could result from having multiple passionate people query these databases? They might just find correlations currently overlooked by the experts. Knowledge should be shared without discrimination as much as possible, after all these digs are subsidized by the tax payers. The only two plausible reasons I can see for not doing so, in this specific case: this type of database simply doesn't exist and grave robbers. The latter could possibly be worked around by excluding the geolocation data.

@PhoenixLyon

4 жыл бұрын

Of you want to explore the site, make it by permit application. Then they could be overseen by an archeologist at least. Graverobbers don't use coordinates. Idiots just dig and destroy.😿

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Michael here. Interesting point. There is no centralised database that can be queried in that way. In fact, it is just as hard for archaeologists themselves to query the available data in order to answer such specific questions. Although the information may be available, you have to know where to look. The kind of questioning you're proposing IS the work of the archaeologist. Digging through data and giving it context is the greater part of their work, mirroring the field archaeology aspect of trowelling through dirt to give context to whatever is found. I don't know if you regularly access archaeological reports - but there is a colossal amount of work goes into them and they have to be completed after every archaeological excavation. But the job of the report is to convert that which WAS in the ground (and has now been destroyed!) into an understandable framework of data and observations that can be interrogated by future investigators as a comprehensive, reliable and unbiased snapshot of what was there. They are not created for popular consumption. Archaeologists are aware of this gap between the academic paper and the public paying for it. Which is why we feel that in our small way, we are in the right place at the right time.

@anonymous-rj6ok

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThePrehistoryGuys I will take a look at these archaeological reports to find out if there is a way to normalize the data inside them and to get an idea of feasibility of transforming some of its information into a normalized database. I do understand and agree we can never take archaeologists out of the equation and you guys are really god-sent in filling this gap between experts and the public at large. But as an IT-minded person, I do feel there is room for progress. I have a feeling some of these hurdles in accessing information could be eliminated. I'm not committing to anything just yet as I will have to do this in my spare time. If I come up with something, you guys will be the first to know.

Just stumbled over your long movie, know a few places myself ( belas knapp, rollright stones, etc). Your way oft telling, without drifting off to mystic druid tales, still keeping the aura oft such places alive: wonderfull! Thanks a lot and please go in, greetings from germany, Joe

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Michael here. That's great to hear Jo. Thank you for taking the time to say so! 😊

Amber was thought to preserve life. They saw the tiny animals and insects encased in Amber, and thought it would help preserve the body.

@Survivethejive

4 жыл бұрын

Amber was generally associated with the sun - specifically tears of a sun goddess or god in all Indo-European religions and the Bell Beaker people would have been Indo-European

Nicely done guys.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Stewart!

“If I was a writer, I could construct a whole novel about this” I actually thought, when you said he could have saved a chieftain’s life, that I could probably sit and write up an entire novel of short stories, where each one leads to these two men being buried as they are. That’s an interesting concept. Could just let the imagination run away, and see where it lands. With as much research as possible of course.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

We'll look forward to that then! 😊

On the amber bead for a drawstring bag - the slight tackiness of amber might have made it a good choice for keeping a drawstring bag shut. if you think about a glass bead and how slick it is, it wouldn't have much grip to keep the strings tight, but amber might just do the trick.

Really liked the production values on this, Michael. Looking forward to future videos of this quality.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Many thanks David! So glad you enjoyed it 😊 Yeah - we've set this as a template for how things are going to look in the recorded shows.

I only recently discovered you. I love the subject, but most of all I love your style of presenting I shall have to have a binge watch soon.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

3 ай бұрын

Thanks Helen, hope you enjoy it all!! R

Fancy a pint sometime guys? I’m buying! Loving this stuff! 👏🇬🇧🙌🇬🇧👏🙌🇬🇧👏

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Michael here. You betcha! That or maybe become a Patreon patron - which you can do for the price of a packet of crisps a month! 😊Otherwise, no idea when we'll both be in the country at the same time again. Maybe the back end of this year.

@danielplantagenet8385

4 жыл бұрын

The Prehistory Guys - most definitely!

The connection to Lechlade & the sea to the east is in the fact that it lies on the very important River Thames. In modern times, Lechlade is where the river’s ability to be navigated by most boats dwindles down. The cows still graze, along the river bank, there, now.

Thanks for clearing the chaff from the wheat. This one had me curious. Love you gents!✌😺

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Hey - thank you Phoenix! 😊

Very foresighted to know where the skatepark would be.

I have a comment that's off-topic but don't know how to message you otherwise. I've noticed a similarity in the way brochs were built and the way the "tepe" sites were built. They are built with an inner and outer wall, the main rooms are of similar size, and they are built on bedrock, and no one is sure who built them. Another similarity, although the brochs are not built with them, is the carved stones. In Scotland they are called Pictish stones and are not "T" shaped. The ones at the Tas Tepeler sites are called "T" stones but are usually carved. So, not just the brochs but the carved stones are similar. Some people believe the Picts were descendants of Scythians, north of the area around the Black Sea. I don't know; just some things to think about.

Amber is pretty fragile. I'm no archaeologist but I tried making some medieval re-enactment veil pins with small amber beads. I kept breaking almost 50% of the beads just trying to get them onto the pins! Granted, a larger size gives such an object more stability, and they'd be better quality too than the tiny ones... But I wouldn't have such a thing in everyday use with the wear and tear. Maybe specific grave goods or treasured keepsakes?

Late to this party, but greatly enjoyed your discussion. Fits right in with a theme of ‘traveling with stones’ … & bones. Did DNA study ever reveal any relation of the two prime burials? Would be interesting to know what was on the horizon they were facing? Winter sunrise to the southeast? Summer sunrise to northeast? Could support a theory of the burial orientation if memory held that the first burial faced a certain set orientation. And maybe they were just ‘wizards’ at raising cattle. Thanks as always!

Excellent, as always. Like the format.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Michael here. That's great to hear Diane. Thank you for taking the time to say so! 😊

Great breakdown of the burial! Thanks gents

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome Survive the Jive 😊Best wishes from Michael

Death, Sex, Scandal, the three main ways to catch a Reader's attention, especially since most people have a short attention span.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Rumbled.

Fascinating and funny what people like to imagine and put out to the public as "truth". Would this burial have been under a mound or cairn, originally? I love your films!

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes - this was under a mound originally with a ditch surrounding. 😊

Thanks 😀 all the best 🍀

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you too 😊

Thanks. Loved the mix of known evidence and common sense idea swapping.. Shame the Shamen story was media speculion. I'm interested in how the ancient Druid culture was born and how that is evidenced today. I'm asking myself when it 'began' Did they or their caste design the stone markers to make compass/calendars and plot routes (ley lines) to other worlds ? I guess we'll never know and there are fuzzy lines. But surely someone did - here and worldwide. I'm finding it interesting to think about the story of our species at this time.

@annjones5201

3 жыл бұрын

☺ i wonder how the "PrehistoryGuys" feel about Ronald Hutton? i had heard he is "thee" source for druid info. The public library (were i am) has his books, so i have read a few, not a light read,but interesting.

As usual a joy.

Curious if there is anything of importance going on in the direction the seated figure is facing. I have heard stories about leaders of people choosing to be buried standing... the folklore around Medbh in Ireland says she's standing, facing out over her countryside to watch over it. Of course, they haven't excavated her cairn, so we don't know. But seated. It seems like a kind of authoritative posture. Someone who might not necessarily be "resting" after death in the true sense, but staying seated and "alert" to look out over some scene or some place of importance. As for the relationship between the two, it could be a familial relationship, wherein the local society prospered more fully under the younger scion of an older leader, hence his richer burial (although we don't know for sure. As you said, some grave goods may have been lost to the plough). The seated burial could be an older leader, a father, grandfather, uncle, like you said, of the "prince" burial. It could be an unrelated person that was revered for whatever reason. It does give the impression of one grave "looking up to" the other.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

It's rich material indeed! Thank you Megan 😊

Might the seated fellow have been mobility impaired? As in, seated in both life and death?

His chamber just filled with surrounding top soil and debris from the local area after the flood. All these sights and tunnels end with dirt. Flood aftermath. That's all. Deeper you get sandier it gets.

Granddad passed away in his chair last night and now he's frozen stiff. Well, let's just bury him like he's sitting down so if someone digs him up they'll think he was a shaman.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 ... and that's probably what happened!

He was probably the guy that made the beer

Whale bone hilt?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Look, the bare bone details ( AHA HA) of this discovery are exciting enough on their own, without the fairy dust being flung all over it. Oh, the dizzy, heady , GLORIOUS delight of being able to work on this dig!!! And, I could ask to be buried with all my clunky jewelry, and NOT be a shaman. Just a dippy old broad with hoarding trouble.

Guys, could you do a nice long interview with Stewart Ainsworth, landscape archeologist. His insights are always so interesting and his contributions seem underrated, in my view. I have seen him assess a prehistoric landscape to show the appeal of a setting for a hill fort or explain the desirable location of a prehistoric settlement. I glean from YT that his current interest is making archeology accessible through technology to everyone with a screen. You would need to be able to show maps and landscape recreations in the format you decide to use. Just an idea I hope you will consider. Thank you for all your work.

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Diane, we'll certainly put him on the list of possibles. We've got about a year's worth lined up already:)

I can't remember what culture..Someone was putting stones in the mouth of the deceased. I was waiting for you to say that it was within or beneath the skull. Where was it found in proximity to the skeleton? Have they done a DNA comparison between these two guys?

👀👍

Was the man in the secondary burial dead or alive when he was buried?

@ThePrehistoryGuys

3 жыл бұрын

No reason to think he was alive. Although there are similarities with the recent discovery of an upright burial in Spain where it is thought that the victim was alive, the loss of the upper torso in this case was to the plough. Best from Michael 🙂

Hi guys What was the role of a shaman in bronze age Britain ?

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Michael here. That's something that I doubt we can ever know Paul. The best we can do is make inferences from modern ethnographic studies.

@paullee5449

4 жыл бұрын

What a shame I was hoping that maybe some experts may know.

Clearly the Skate Park was built on the site of AN ANCIENT CEREMONIAL TEMPLE

@ThePrehistoryGuys

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah - what were they thinking? You'd have thought they'd have dug deeper! 🤪

So he could handle his mushies. REAL question is; Did he skate? And was he any good?

Could you serve tea next time?

tee hee...

These discussions and ruminations....in this day and age.... simply wonderful