You obviously have the best and warmest lap that a cat could ask for.

@MrGoatflakes

2 жыл бұрын

"You'll own nothing and be happy"...

What happened to owning the stuff that you buy? When you buy something, you should own it. I think that's pretty simple.

@Incubansoul

2 жыл бұрын

You will own nothing, and you will be happy. -The Great Reset

@lop1652

2 жыл бұрын

Oooohhh, you want to OWN the stuff you pay YOUR money on? How preposterous, don't you know that these corporations NEED to make money in order to survive? Foolish, greedy consumers.

@volvo09

2 жыл бұрын

@@Incubansoul official printer of The Great Reset.

@em0_tion

2 жыл бұрын

Fancy bumping into you. 👍 Oddly enough, no YT notifications, so a great reminder to catch up on your content. 💪😉

@DisCHQ

2 жыл бұрын

You still do own the things you buy from software to devices.

If ink manufacturers were honest, the cartridges would be transparent.

@turtleanton6539

2 жыл бұрын

Right

@curhob

2 жыл бұрын

But then they'd all print with an alpha of 0, amirite?

@ScottGrammer

2 жыл бұрын

If ink manufacturers were honest, ink would cost $2 a cartridge.

@ever611

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottGrammer you mean 50 cents

@TheWebstaff

2 жыл бұрын

After market ones quite often are.

The ink being deactivated feels like the thin end of the wedge. This instance seems genuinely harmless, but it's a model that could (will) become very atrocious very fast.

@jamesclarkson156

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. The fact that this works means they can just turn off cartridges whenever they want. Or just stop allowing certain printers to work at no cost to themselves.

@flamingkittyumad

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesclarkson156 Technically the cartridges are part of the subscription, it's not like they lock up the printer if you try to use third party ink

@fiftyshadesofurban

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesclarkson156 It can be used politically as well. Printing fliers big brother doesn't want you to print? We shut down your printer. It sounds like a bad joke sadly.

@jothain

2 жыл бұрын

This model is copied from industrial printers. I work in industry where packaging is printed with ie. best before date. Such machines have had rfid's in their ink and makeup cartridges for something like 10 years. They have expiry dates coded in them and and there's counters like your cartridge will be rejected if you insert same cartridge more than three times, so you can't fill or change them between printers. Yes, it's big middle finger for owners and yeah, they're priced pretty steeply obviously.

@jothain

2 жыл бұрын

@@flamingkittyumad Actually having those features means that there's rfid or something that makes cartridge detectable, meaning that 3rd party stuff can be very easily blocked if wanted. This does happen on industrial machines.

❤ Thank you for the video. Just experienced this recently at a critical time I needed to print. 🗣WILL NEVER, EVER BUY ANYTHING FROM HP AGAIN!!!!!

@titanicstowaway5899

Ай бұрын

I concur. For years HP offered excellent printers and I never bought from any other company but this new policy is so offensive that I might never buy from them again. IF they reverse this disgusting practice I MIGHT consider buying from HP again in the future.

how very sustainable and environmentally friendly of them. bound to bring in a lot of good publicity.

@craigman7262

2 жыл бұрын

I mean its a trade off reason printers are so cheap is because they know they will make up on the ink. Hence refillable printers are expensive. They aren't taking a loss in order to recoup later on. I have a an Epson that set me back $450 but its refillable. Those are more sustainable since they are better built and refillable.

@triadwarfare

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigman7262 unless you fill up the ink tank

@XdewGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@triadwarfare Can’t do that either with some of them, some don’t actually have any ink empty sensor and so assume empty and force change after some metric has passed(estimated ink used, age, pages print etc).

@XdewGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the default cartridge protection bs during pc software package installation, or the fact that in my hp printer, if you take printheads out or worse, even dare to unlock and re-lock them in, not even taking them out, there is nothing you can do, it will not print.

@jntj3007

2 жыл бұрын

HP is doing this to increase profit, not to be environmentally friendly. They want control over your property. It's flat out wrong.

Somebody should create an “open-source” printer - something in style of Framework laptop or Fairphone.

@techguy348

2 жыл бұрын

surprised no one has. I remember that video that trended a while back about how ink cartridges are a scam (AustinMcConnell made the video) and doesn't really propose a solution at the end of the whole thing. If a 3D printer can be open source, why not a regular printer?

@MrElmostudios

2 жыл бұрын

Idk about y'all but my 30 year old hp printer still works fine.

@TerminalWorld

2 жыл бұрын

And then nobody would buy it as it would cost 2x as much as a 'normal' printer.

@PristinePerceptions

2 жыл бұрын

No use. Printing as an activity, and as an industry, is dying. Nobody wants to create an open source solution to a dying problem.

@vect0r858

2 жыл бұрын

@@TerminalWorld I would pay double myself. Being able to install plug-ins would be amazing, and being able to use third party or refillable ink would recoup the cost.

1987: oil slick in The Raft (by Stephen King) is the more terrifying fluid ever 2021: HP ink beats it

@clockfreak1964

Ай бұрын

hahahah! Did you prefer the short story or the movie version?

Imagine being the programmer who's boss tells them to implement this "feature"

@OlivierCaron

2 жыл бұрын

"Haha! Funny, people might actually buy that crap if we made it! Oh, you're serious?"

@catsspat

2 жыл бұрын

"I was just following orders."

@miweneia

2 жыл бұрын

imagine being the programmer that gets paid high 4-digit or even 5-digit sum a month for implementing this "feature" I sure wouldn't mind being this guy

@XantheFIN

2 жыл бұрын

"Oh sounds nasty. Me like it. Can i make it self destructive printer firmware or leak all rest ink out after subscription ends too?"

@vg7985

2 жыл бұрын

XantheFIN lol. No. Can you make subscription permanent? Your printer just automatically reads your credit card numbers and subscribes for ink itself. In order to cancel subscription you need to take printer to HP headquarters in Afghanistan in person where local tribe leader performs exorcism on it.

I have an HP printer that I use as a scanner. It’s one of the old ones, so it still has that weird feature where you can scan without ink. Why would anyone scan without ink?! You have to have ink to absorb the colors from the paper and put them on the USB port!!!

@pineappleroad

2 жыл бұрын

@LabRat Knatz i remember that when i was at college in 2016-2018, one time when i was using one of the computers, the screen suddenly went pink (i think either i adjusted the display when it happened, or someone else did something which caused it to happen) athough this did not result in IT having to come over, as i knew it was a loose VGA cable

@walterwhite2270

2 жыл бұрын

@LabRat Knatz My mom was embarrassed when you did that. She came home all distraught and upset because a tech had laughed at her....Unfortunately she has passed and never got a real apology for your behavior....

@traister101

2 жыл бұрын

@@walterwhite2270 Dude he didn't laugh at your fuckn mom and besides if she was that butt hurt about making a small mistake it's probably for the best she's not around anymore

@trajectoryunown

2 жыл бұрын

You had me in the first half, ngl.

@cericat

2 жыл бұрын

@LabRat Knatz30+ years in IT has only taught me to not automatically dismiss outlandish stories about retail. Clients have often been super weird since I can remember, and that's 1990.

Louis has figured out that doubling the cat content will more than double the views.

@ritatheviolinist

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly why i clicked - 2 armrest kitties today, 1 on each side

@victorbatarse2396

2 жыл бұрын

and double the likes

@MhnFive

2 жыл бұрын

There's gonna be a day Louis discovers he get rid of the middleman altogether and just have a cat cam with commentary.

@coweatsman

2 жыл бұрын

Double catting. Both feline barrels blazing.

@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou

2 жыл бұрын

@@MhnFive _“Clowns to the Left of You, Jokers to the Right”_ kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWSryamYeLzVpps.html It is, what it is, but I have no clue why this was the first thing I thought about. You are probably correct though. KZread is not human and is very strange.

I just experienced this myself and was very frustrated. What makes it worse is that it seems every company is using, or going to, a subscription model, making it almost impossible to tell them they are wrong by taking my business elsewhere. Keep fighting the good fight Louis!!!

Several years ago HP was busted for sending "updates" to printers that bricked the print head in order for you to buy a new print head. I had one. So, I bought a Kodak printer and they did the same thing. So, now I have a "dumb" Brother all-in-one laser printer with no access to the internet and haven't had one issue.

@Lostcontroller

2 жыл бұрын

I have one of those Brother printers as well. Those things are bulletproof. The last thing it was used for was for paperwork for a major retailer.

@TechRIP

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lostcontroller I still have my Brother Fax machine from the 90's that took a roll of "paper". I don't think I would ever buy another brand and will never buy anything that connects to the internet anymore. lol Just the computer and phone. Because if a company ever bricked my coffee maker I'd be out for blood.

@Lostcontroller

2 жыл бұрын

@@TechRIP Buy a French Press for your coffee making needs. You will never have to experience a manufacturer telling you that you can't own your coffee maker ever again.

@guruoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@TechRIP FYI: Theoretically, HP could still access them from an internet connected computer via USB.

@TechRIP

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lostcontroller lmao

So I actually discovered this a year ago or so after canceling my subscription with ink left over, and the printer utility telling me to restart my subscription. So, I just threw the printer across the room and forgot about it. Then, a few months back I was at a buddy's house who had the same printer and just so happened to be replacing their ink while I was there. So I asked if I could have their empty cartridges which they were going to just throw away and they said yes, because I now had an idea. After getting home with my empty cartridges I simply swapped the little ribbon cable/chip info/ID thing (sorry the actual name of the part is blanking atm) from the empty cartridges onto my full ones from HP Instant Ink and there we go. After reinserting the old carts. with the "new" ID/Info ribbon cable/chip things it worked perfectly. This is also how ink counterfeiters get their fake carts. or drums to be able to function and be recognizable by the printer. Now this was of course a lot of effort and a bit of luck stumbling on empty carts. the same model number as what I needed, but was very satisfying to tell that stupid printer to it could get F*&$^ed after I tricked it into printing. Time well spent from where I stand.

@MrCh0o

2 жыл бұрын

The empty cartridges were just normal, non-subscription ones, right? Just clarifying Also does the swap actually still allow printer to read the amount of ink that's in the cartridge that you "upgraded" that way?

@tstricklin4808

2 жыл бұрын

👏🤘✌

@rayives7758

2 жыл бұрын

You can't do that with Brother. The little chip tab keeps a record of how much ink is used and permanently reports empty when it's done. Refills are impossible. I love the printer I have, but I'm restricted to using only Brother ink. I haven't yet checked if it will scan when the ink is out. Brother also has a discount subscription plan that I haven't checked out yet.

@AMalas

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats! You just stole ink

@StubbsTheDragonKing

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrCh0o Yep. Same cartridge number(s) and they were just locally regular store bought ones my friend was about to throw out when I snagged them.

I can see why HP does this tho. It's to prevent someone from signing up for the cheapo $1 subscription, getting the ink cartrdiges, then immediately cancelling, effectively buying the ink for $1 instead of the $60 or whatever they want. I still find the whole ink business practice absolutely revolting, so I buy knock off toner cartridges for this reason, even if they are problematic.

@nickspacemonkey

2 жыл бұрын

Thank god someone has a brain and aren't just Rossmann sheep. Nearly everyone in the comments are retards.

@failaip12

2 жыл бұрын

My guess would be that you don't get the same amount of ink as the 60$ one that's why there exist bigger more expensive plans.

@JohnDlugosz

2 жыл бұрын

@@failaip12 *$60 (dollar sign goes to the left)

@jnagarya519

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickspacemonkey "And now a word from HP . . ."

@Goodbrew84

2 жыл бұрын

@@failaip12 we've had the service at varying levels for a couple years. The ink cartridges seem to be filled the same amount. Shipping costs are a huge factor in this, so they don't want to be shipping people a new cartridge every month if they can get away with once or twice a year.

I have this subscription service. My thoughts are this: I use my printer a few times a month. Several weeks can go by without using it. The ink dries up from the dry air and lack of use and I end up blowing money on new cartridges. The service is priced based on how many pages you print. So for me it made sense. It also saves me trips to Staples. However, I don't like the whole disabling thing. You can get around it temporarily. You simply disconnect the printer from the internet BEFORE you cancel. It will never get the updated info then. However, my guess is that there is a built in timer (say 14 days or whatever) when the printer will tell you to reconnect to continue printing.

@whutwhy

2 жыл бұрын

Base on the printing & cartridge options available and my printing requirement HP instank ink made sense for me aswell. I've watch friends spend hundreds of dollars on ink that dry's up. it costs printer companies cents to make something that cost $60. the Subscription I have cost me $0 a month, only have to pay if I go over 15 pages. They send me new ink(for free don't have to pay for it) everytime it runs low. Since i've switch to this plan i've not gone over my 15 pages per month limit. I've been printing for free for close to 2 years now. I'm okay with them disabling printing on the cartridges because after all that's not what your paying for. I do like they give you the option aswell not to participate and purchase standard cartridges' aswell. i.imgur.com/DHWsShp.png

@NoName-ik2du

2 жыл бұрын

This is a perfect example of why you'd want to participate in this program. I completely ditched inkjet printers about a year and a half ago because I was sick of buying ink, using it two or three times over several months, and then finding it has dried up (often when I'm on a deadline to get something printed). I'm curious how this program handles automatic refills for dried up cartridges, though. Do they automatically send you a new cartridge if you've gone too long without printing because they know the old one will not be usable? The $0/mo plan Whut mentions sounds like an absolute steal! I wouldn't see myself ever going over 15 pages in a month. That honestly feels like it would meet most home users' printing needs. I use a laser printer now, but if I were in the market for a new inkjet printer, signing up for free ink delivered right to my house would be a no brainer. Had I been aware of this program before, I probably wouldn't have even bought the laser printer in the first place.

@jothain

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect example why people should buy laser printers.

@superjeffstanton

Жыл бұрын

Comment in this thread paid for by HP

@sacredsecrecy9620

Жыл бұрын

The problem with the dried up ink cartridges was exactly the reason why I subscribed to that service. However, you don't get any new ink delivery in that case, only when the printer sees your cartridge going empty. So I ended up buying new cartridges myself anyway. Which makes the whole subscription utterly useless. So I canceled it. And had to buy new cartridges AGAIN, because the goddamn system doesn't differenciate between instant ink and self bought cartridges. When you cancel the subscription service, your old cartridges are seen as instant ink ones per default. Even if they were recognized as non-instant ink before! THAT'S the most enfuriating thing about this whole stupid system!!

Not surprised by this. I was living in Asia and bought an HP Laser printer. when I relocated to Europe I wanted to take the printer with me and checked if they had the same model in Europe since I would need to buy toner cartridges. Once I was in Europe went to buy tonner cartridges only to realize that HP cartridges can be used only in printers from the same region, meaning the only way for me to use the printer in Europe would be to go to Asia and buy cartridges there. It seems that HP printers are regions restricted. That same day I went to the electronics shop and bought a Brother printer that uses refillable ink. I will never again buy HP printers. We... the consumers do have the power of choice, don’t buy from those companies.

@sqlb3rn

2 жыл бұрын

Until all companies start doing the same shit.

@TheEuropeanFox

2 жыл бұрын

You can change the region of the printer but you'd need to call support for that. At least for inkjet printers. For laserjets I believe it's as simple as an nvram reset or power-cycle. Rest assured all printer manufacturers region lock their printers.

@Firevine

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheEuropeanFox All of them absolutely region lock their printers, whether it's physical differences in the cartridge, or in the circuitry. We had a few customers when I worked at a refiller who had brought printers from overseas. It was interesting.

@bleack8701

2 жыл бұрын

Xerox's lock is based on country. Not even region

@Vanadium

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheEuropeanFox why the fuck do you region lock a printer? Its not a game or movie where maybe someone else got a license to some piece of art what was used to create it in that region?

Don't forget that these printer companies are now boldly proclaiming how eco-friendly they are because they are "introducing" refillable ink cartridges (only after they took them away in the first place)

@crazydragy4233

2 жыл бұрын

Create a problem and sell a solution!

@jonlaw16

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazydragy4233 that's how everything works unfortunately. See airpods.

@crazydragy4233

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonlaw16 Myeah :/

@tokekkk

2 жыл бұрын

Epson Ecotank. Refillable, cheap original ink, but IT WILL LOCK UP when you reach certain cycle of head cleaning.

@Ubya_

2 жыл бұрын

@@tokekkk bought one 3 years ago, printed around 3k pages, i only had to refill the blank tank once. what do you mean it will lock up?

HP Instant Ink is like a Juicero (but the company made a speedrun in failing as fast they could), Imagine connecting a Juicer to a wifi and scanning the juice packages to make sure you're legit to use them. This is the same thing for the HP.

I made the decision AGES ago to move to a color laser printer (which at the time seemed very frivolous and expensive)... but when you factor in the fact that I don't print very much and have only replaced the toner once since original purchase, it's SO much less expensive than ink jets with the ink that is always out on the rare occasions I want to print (dried up, etc.). It's a bit silly that people who print very rarely are better served by a more expensive printer, but that's the way the cookie crumbles (at least for me). Since working those numbers for myself, I have advocated for most of the people I know getting into color laser instead of ink jet, as their use case parallels mine... most won't be sold, because the upfront cost is so different and the toner replacement is scary expensive... but in the end, with laser, you at least get to use what you pay for.

More cats = more views. Simple formula

@dababyobama7140

2 жыл бұрын

Best business model ever

@GeraldMMonroe

2 жыл бұрын

oh wow there are 2 videos posted at the same time, and the one with Oreo has 4x the views.

@skeetorkiftwon

2 жыл бұрын

Kitties and titties boys. Also, fuck printers.

@Tanya-ut6wl

2 жыл бұрын

So right!

@Nater2204

2 жыл бұрын

@@skeetorkiftwon double entendre

I still got my Epson all-in-one printer from 10 years ago that I bought for $40 and fill with knock-off ink cartridges from Amazon that works perfectly.

@volvo09

2 жыл бұрын

I will only buy epson, especially now with the ecotank printers. It's so cheap I still use the epson OEM bottles. F*ck All of these "great reset" type, rent it but you sorta own it type things. It's such a crock of sh*t.

@djbazs

2 жыл бұрын

Got Also an Epson but the damn thing need a cartridge of red ink to work ... Right now can't do bip bip with it !!! It's also a Stylus Photo R1900 Printer so probably going to go with refillable tanks to solve this !!!!

@AltimaNEO

2 жыл бұрын

I do the same with my crusty old HP. But the print heads are part of the printer and not the cartridges. So it's a matter of time before she's too clogged to work well

@erich6860

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, Epson printer off brand ink. Every now and then one of the carts says it is empty, but I just pull it, shake it, re-install, gtg.

@erebostd

2 жыл бұрын

@@volvo09 Epson the older models, kyocera is fine, too. The printers are more expensive than the hp crap, obviously, but you own the printer..

What my fear is if they are putting out a ink subscription service and they can detect that type of cartridge vs on other OEM. what's stopping them from using whatever chip to detect a non OEM cartridge or refilled cartridge and either prevent it from working or purposely reducing the life of it to make the subscription service artificially seem better.

@milospavlovic4599

2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is that you can also buy new business oriented hp printers for about 200 usd in which, among other things, you can disable non OEM cartridge detection and low ink warnings via their own app. They are just more expensive than typical home printer

@andrewphi4958

2 жыл бұрын

@@milospavlovic4599 (some?) office pronters also come with lots of troubles like internet connection requirement (doesn't matter if your company LAN isn't connected to WAN - it's your problem now), licensing, double-triple-price cartridges, etc. etc.

I have a continuous flow printer from hp (it has an adapter to use ink tanks) and a small bottle lasts about a year, this year when I tried to buy black ink, they had discontinued the exact ink model and instead sell a new version that performs identically, but somehow gets spent more quickly. If you're curious the ink I used to have was gt51 and the only one I can buy right now is gt53, the botttle itself says it prints less pages

ERROR: YOU CAN USE THIS HP® FRYING PAN™ ONLY WITH REGISTERD HP® FRY OLIVE DELUXXE™ OIL

@GhostsOfSparta

2 жыл бұрын

Use HP stove. And HP spices only.

@jmtrad1906

2 жыл бұрын

You are using generic gas to cook. If you don't use HP gas you will lose warranty

@ppbdrinker

2 жыл бұрын

ahem. allo? green HP electrons only. flowing thru the certified HP diamond-grade 100% rust-free copper wires. To deliver the very best of customer experience. Because no other party but us cares about the end consumers. америка и европа, вы ебанулись, честное слово. :/

@over9000713

2 жыл бұрын

I guess I'll have to use my other trusty frying pan, as an angry pan

@KennyVo120

2 жыл бұрын

ERROR: PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN OF MOUNTAIN DEW™

i heave dealt with this. never buying anything from hp again

@6581punk

2 жыл бұрын

My decision on never getting HP was based on their terrible software engineering. I threw away a HP colour laser printer and scanner combo because it wouldn't start up. Tried all the reset procedures but nothing recovered it. It's a common problem as well. They didn't get any toner sales from me as it never lasted long enough to get past the supplied toner cartridge.

@markae0

2 жыл бұрын

It is really stupid to make your customers unhappy, unless you have a Monopoly.

@willia3r

2 жыл бұрын

as if other printer companies wont eventually do the same thing?

@Septimus_ii

2 жыл бұрын

I used Epsons for years, both with official ink and 3rd party cartridges and had a lot of hassle with them. My last 2 printers have been HPs, mostly with Instant Ink and they've been a lot better

@awezman

2 жыл бұрын

I used to be a HP in store sales rep. I didn't like having to always explain the service to people, but it is not a bad deal. Ink cartridges and printheads tend to clog frequently if you don't use them regularly. If you are not printing much and you get a printer with 2 cartridge system you are getting a new printhead with each cartridge and if one clogs you will always have a backup at home with the service. The only way you will pay more than buying cartridges on the service is if you never print on a regular schedule. The downside is HP can change the price of their service and start charging you more in the future, of course they increase cartridge price every year too.

My father cancelled his credit card that had the subscription on it and told nobody, as the tech guy of the family coming home from college and hearing that my mom who usually has no issues with the printer being unable to print was worrying. And I don't blame her, you have to do some moderate digging to figure out what happened since the website HP tells you to go for trouble shooting is just the sign up page for instant ink

I'm curious to see when the first printer manufacturer will come up with the idea of offering inexpensive color cartridges in a monthly subscription and, in return for the low price, place their advertising on every printout. These companies obviously don't seem to lack crazy ideas.

Honestly feels like the whole ink-printing industry was constructed around a shady business practice. To virtually create a re-occurring demand that doesn't really need to exist. I remember my dad buying a full set of ink during the 90's, only to print a couple of pages, then requiring to "clean" the cartridges (due to them being dried out, due to typical home usage), which ate up a lot of extra ink. In the end a full set allowed for about 40 pages, total. and not the 300 pages + 150 colored pages as advertised. I remember thinking this was evil in my youth... but yeah, this is just next stage of evil. Anyway, later we bought a laser printer in the early 2000s with a cartridge that was supposed to print 1500 pages... he never changed it, has never used all of it. Still uses the same printer to this day.

@PhotonHerald

2 жыл бұрын

Razors. Blades.

@kindanyume

2 жыл бұрын

it wasnt originally butt became that fast they even went sfar as paying walmart shitload of $$$$$$ to ust refuse to carry any generic ver

@LC-uh8if

2 жыл бұрын

Worse, some printers will perform (on their own) "cleaning" cycles every so often which uses a bunch of ink even if you don't specifically request a print head cleaning. You could install a brand new cartridge and after enough time, you would find the cartridge is now empty from these "cleaning" cycles.

@paulstubbs7678

2 жыл бұрын

I had similar issues with low ink usage, so I long ago ditched ink and went over to a laser printer, where a printer can sit idle/off for months and still function with no issues.

@yorinov2001

2 жыл бұрын

same here - my "fix" was to shop "backwards" - (1) I switched to a laser printer, I didn't need color and toner doesn't dry out (2) looked up the cheapest toner cartridge then bought the printer it fit. It turned out to be a cheap Brother printer ($90) and used it for over 12 years with no issues. I could let it set unused for months and it would start right up.

“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” - Frank Herbert

@johnstamos5948

2 жыл бұрын

This is why I keep my Bible and the Unabomber manifesto on my end table

@ino3809

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnstamos5948 bible will not help you.

@anthonynelson6671

2 жыл бұрын

What book is this from?

@tpolley5

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonynelson6671 Frank Herbert is the author of the Dune series. Statements like that can be found in most of the books

@RonSwansonIsMyGod

2 жыл бұрын

Groups of primates, humans in this conversation, always fall into hierarchies. Always. Technology or no technology. That's one thing old Ted doesn't seem to get. We've always been that way, always will be....

I'm not against ink/toner subscriptions, but HP could at least offer to charge the user to buyout the remaining ink capacity, so the user doesn't have to go out and buy a refill after cancellation.

@user-lt2rw5nr9s

2 жыл бұрын

Buyout the remaining capacity? The ink is already in something you bought? We need to stop complicating this and just own what we buy.

@JohnDlugosz

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-lt2rw5nr9s No, you're amortizing the cost of the full cartridge. Say it lasts 6 months and you cancel in the first month. You would have to pay another 5 months in order to keep it. You're not buying a $6 cartridge (all money up front) once every six months, but spending $1 each month and getting the six month supply right away.

@user-lt2rw5nr9s

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDlugosz It's getting to the point where I'm going to have to jailbreak my printer. Never thought I'd say that in a million years. I don't understand why everything has to be a subscription model. It's getting to the point where we have ink left in a cartridge and we merely "don't have the license to use it." Sounds like it would just lead to wasted ink. What would happen if I don't feel like buying out the whole cartridge? Just throw out a bunch of ink because of some dumb "we're giving you a license to use this ink cartridge." Hope these companies don't require all ink to be bought that way.

@AlDim000

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-lt2rw5nr9s No, you're not buying the ink. You're paying a low monthly fee, which can obviously lead to abuse with premature cancellations. Or you can just buy ink tanks/cartridges and use them the same way you always have.

Was just dealing with this last week when my ink ran out yeah, they automatically sent me a new cartridge, but it doesn’t arrive for 5 days so a lot of good that does me.

@dunebasher1971

2 жыл бұрын

Then something's gone wrong somewhere. The whole point is that the new cartridge is meant to arrive *before* you need it. Did you suddenly do a massive print run that used up all your available ink?

HP was once a very fine company which was one of the leading manufacturers of electronic test equipment in the world and essentially invented the pocket scientific calculator. Curse you Carly Fiorina for turning this fine company into a shister purveyor of extremely over priced ink. Epson Ecotank may cost a bit more but to purchase but comes with enough ink to last most people years, and replacement ink is cheap enough that the cost is a non-issue.

@superninja252

2 жыл бұрын

This what happens when people don't care about who is in the command on a company and let shifty shareholders take decisions for profit

@tezcanaslan2877

2 жыл бұрын

HP went downhill after 2006

@grayrabbit2211

2 жыл бұрын

@@superninja252 Amen. I still have multiple 1980s HP 12-C calculators which run perfectly. I still recommended them to everyone. We used to use HP laser printers exclusively at.my office since the first HP LaserJet. We stopped last year due to the crap quality HP has become.

@liucyrus22

2 жыл бұрын

Also purveyor of shit OEM-label SSDs that perform like USB sticks

@sarowie

2 жыл бұрын

Are you talking about agilent and keysight? Or am I outdated and those business have yet new names, because anything successful tries to distance it self as fare away as possible from Hewlett-Packard?

Had them. When the printer broke, canceled the program, I thought. Realized 6 months later I was still being charge. It took a long frustrating time to not only get it stopped, but a refund. They finally returned 3 months. They said there’s no record of the stop order. I switched to Brother. No more Ink programs.

@keithbowe784

2 жыл бұрын

Brother may offer, but not required the refill program. I do use generic ink. They don’t last as long, but worth the savings.

@jnagarya519

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithbowe784 One can return the empty cartridges. But none of this consumer-as-slave to corporate fascism.

I work at a place that sells these printers with the printing subscription service. We don't mention Instant Ink and if anybody ever asks about it, we politely but firmly warn them about this limitation. HP is greedier than most

@wihamaki

11 ай бұрын

I use to work for a cable company and we'd get people subscribed to channel packages they never watched. That's the problem with subscription services, you need to know what you need and adjust accordingly. If managed by someone who's smart, it will be cheaper.

You have a set up like me.. Armchair, Keyboard on lap and mouse on the arm, however.. I have a 24 inch long mouse mat that lays over the arm and a thin hard book under where i use the mouse. It makes the mouse more square when moving. It also saves wear on the arm of the chair 🙂

As someone who almost never used my scanner or printer (maybe once a year), these new trends in printers are turning me off the idea of even buying a new one if I ever need to replace my current one.

@slightlycrookedworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Just buy a laser printer. It's slightly more to start but you should end up paying less in the long run. Or just send your stuff to a print shop if you only need a printer a few times per year.

@MikeRollerson

2 жыл бұрын

I'm in a similar boat - I print less than 10 pages per month, but it's nice to have a printer. I think for those people, these printers tend to be the best value. You can choose to use regular ink (for regular-ink prices) or get the free ink and only be charged by how many pages you print. They had a "free" plan if you printed less than 10-15 pages per month and then $1.00 total for the next 10 pages after that. If you print 10 pages, you pay nothing - if you print 18 that month, you pay $1. The nice thing is they send you free ink (color and black and white) whenever you want. So rather than using the same ink cartridge for 2 years and having it dry up, you can request new (free) ones as needed, and you're only charged based on what you print. The other benefit is that if you print a lot of photos, you can print 10 full-page color photos with this and it's still only counted as "10 pages". Getting the "free" ink in these cases, where it would normally be used up quickly, is a huge benefit!

@creamofbotulismsoup9900

2 жыл бұрын

Canon printers are still my go to regardless of the stupid scanning debacle. Unlike a lot of the other brands you can find 3rd party cartridges for most if not all of their printers for a fraction of the price of what the name brands will charge you. You can buy 3 full sets of 5 cartridges (15 total) for ten dollars for my printer and the one named in that can't scan without ink lawsuit.

@Hopkins955

2 жыл бұрын

Just get a laser multifunctional device like I dod after my HP PSC 1410 ink one - I hated that one soo much because the printing que was stuck all the time and you could not empty it even after restarting it, took a lot of time to empty its cache. I got a Samsung laser printer and I am happy with it. Too bad Samsung printer division was bought by HP...

@slightlycrookedworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

@@traewatkins931 I've heard, no idea if it's true, that some cartridges have an expiration date and they're programmed to stop working.

I’d like to see a printer sold that doesn’t print the unique identifier in yellow ink. The entire printer sector is beyond corrupt.

@randacnam7321

2 жыл бұрын

Which is why you get printers from E waste recyclers or off the side of the road.

@zeening

2 жыл бұрын

yeah i'd love to see the executives be skinned alive and injected with caustic chemicals while they're conscious and have it fcking broadcast nationally.

@kindanyume

2 жыл бұрын

that was mandated by the US Gov as well as others yrs ago while it can tie printed material to a printer it cant prove who printed it nor whom owns the printer unless you are a complete idiot

@kindanyume

2 жыл бұрын

@LunarVVolf no.. thats an unfair assumption and a very foolish one as well. Not everyone in IT is corrupt.. I am not,... Rossman isn't either.. and not all of the companies are either.. but there are a bunch of them that are.. but to say it all is due to the bad ones is very short sighted at the least.

@MrFastFox666

2 жыл бұрын

@@kindanyume I, for one, can't think of a company other than Framework that I can look at and say "yeah, those guys really, genuinely care about their customers". All the "we care about our consumers" or "look, we're so eco friendly" rant is the same worn-out corporate script, and I don't buy any of it. Just because their customer service rep is forced to be all nice and bubbly doesn't mean I'm gonna believe all their BS.

So we sell this at my job, and the way it's explained to us to explain to customers is that it's a subscription, not a product. If you stop paying for Netflix, you don't get to keep using Netflix (except you do until the month is up, but whatever). It does actually save you money though, because the average person with a dual-cartrige printer prints 100 or so pages a month, buys 2-3 cartridge sets a year, and $60 ($5 a month for 100 pages a month) over the course of a year is way better than $180+ ($60 a set on average). That being said not being able to use the cartridges after the subscription ends is kinda BS, but it's definitely a huge savings provided you don't print only in huge bursts. I don't force it on people, and I normally suggest lasers instead (at least when we have them nowadays), but it's not a bad deal at the end of the day, provided you aren't planning on cancelling it.

@bazahaza

2 жыл бұрын

If you cancel then you just buy your own ink. I don't see that as a big issue. Perhaps they could charge you to make them non instant ink.

This is why I bought a Epson echo tank, after 1500 pages there was still 40% colour left a little less % black so a few weeks ago I opened the second free set that came with the printer to top up and a full set of inks cost £38-45 depending on where you buy it .

i discovered this a few years ago when my roomate, who lost her debit card frequently, suddenly couldn't print. we owned a printer, it had ink, had paper yet nothing would print. Since she had received a new card she hadn't updated her info, so HP nerfed the printer. I have vowed to never give HP any money ever again and even did a product study for an HP device where I was very vocal that I felt the policies regarding things like this as well as requiring a subscription to receive firmware updates for legacy devices (such as servers) was abhorrent.

@comicalhexical

2 жыл бұрын

To want continual update on hardware for life is a bit insane.

@blindaceg

2 жыл бұрын

@@comicalhexical to ask for continued updates for outdated hardware is unreasonable. To paywall updates that are being released anyway and at the same time brick/nerf devices that don't receive these updates is criminal. They can paywall the updates without making other versions unusable.

@TV4ELP

2 жыл бұрын

@@comicalhexical not if the updates already exists and you just don't get them because of a stupid subscription. Vital security updates even

@arnox4554

2 жыл бұрын

You know, I don't get HP at all. Their business line of laptops (ProBook) are top of the line. Very reliable. Very functional. Lots of support. Anything else from them though just seems to suck ass. It's like they're screwing over consumers in order to funnel it all into their business/enterprise sector.

@comicalhexical

2 жыл бұрын

@@blindaceg the comment above didn't state anything about bricking devices/nerfing hardware(at least not for the servers) so I assumed that wasn't an issue. And you just said to ask for continued updates of outdated hardware was unreasonable. So why can't they charge you if you still want updates for hardware that's 10 years old or more?

I remember once when I had a HP printer to avoid all these HP shit I flashed my printer with a modified firmware and I could even print black and white if the other colors are empty so Im relay grateful to whoever made that firmware

@IanBPPK

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda sad that something like that has to exist but kudos to them from me as well.

@Maleko48

2 жыл бұрын

I aspire to be the provider of such hacked firmwares in the future to help everyone get around this kind of BS

@nmprofessional

2 жыл бұрын

This is why I stopped buying HP printers. Like others have said here, dimished functionality when one or more colors go out. And 'a long time ago' only HP print carts could be used due to the is same tech in the print cartridge, non HP carts could not be used.

@thechosenjuan7920

2 жыл бұрын

you can remove the color cartridge to continue to print black and white. Its called single cartridge mode, look it up

@RetroArcStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Yeh. But you shouldn't have to do that

I have HP Instant Ink and yes, when you cancel a subscription or forget to pay they suspend your account and even if you haven't used all your ink from the subscription they will prevent it being used

Thank goodness for my 1988 HP LaserJet printer. I learned how to recharge toner cartridges in 1989. New printers are restricted on what you can print, too.

Just wait until car manufacturers decide to go to the subscription model and decide that your car is no longer eligible to drive, even though you purchased it. Tesla can be dodgy when it comes to used cars.

@victorchalker5148

2 жыл бұрын

BMW have already done it. You have to subscribe to use the optional luxury extras like the heating in the seats. Digusting!!!

@quicke5486

2 жыл бұрын

Trust me there will be an uproar against it not to mention shops being paid just to make the feature available without paying.

@grayrabbit2211

2 жыл бұрын

@@quicke5486 Sadly, I don't think the sheeple will bleat loud enough for it to matter, especially the millennials. They seem happy to do whatever someone in a power position tells them to do, blindly.

@GraveUypo

2 жыл бұрын

no need to wait, they're already doing it. and i'm NEVER buying a car that does this.

@GraveUypo

2 жыл бұрын

@@grayrabbit2211 GEN Z, not millenials, but that's right.

The business model is to buy a Brother laserjet, get double sized generic cartridges, and not worry about it for 10 years.

@LukasJosai

2 жыл бұрын

Laser is life

@SiAnon

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what i did. Who the fuck prints in colour these days anyway and i doubt many are printing photos like we all used to. I paid £60 for my Brother Laserjet about 4 years ago, however much for generic toners and have not worried about ink since.

I had the hp ink plan for a while and it was kinda worth it for what i was using it for, I needed to print alot of pictures off all the time so it was a very ink intensive process, not sure how much those cartridges compare to regular ones, over 9 months i went through 3 sets of cartridges but big downside was when i didn't need to use them frequently or when i needed to print more then the plan, then it was annoying but I think where they get people is the average person is just lazy not planning on using the ink to max for every page, it would probably be nice to have statistics on price comparisons

A good option would be to have a black laser printer as a primary printer and use a secondary color printer with the 99 cent 15 page rental plan for the few items that need color printing.

My Epson office printer requires all colors be available, even if only monochrome black printing is desired. It will allow you to go into a "Permit temporary black printing" mode for a little while, and then it just stops working all together, even if the black cartridge is full! This came with some firmware update as I've never run into that before. I don't think I've been more furious at a company and was close to that one scene from "Office Space"!

@cferracini

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's any consolation but until last year, my father would get a new HP printer every time the old one broke (we got 3 in a span of 20 years) and all HP printers I have ever seen have always had the issue you are reporting. The only difference would be that HP would just be complaining there's no color ink instead of giving "Permit temporary black printing" option. Before the last printer broke it would be really painful to make it print in black only anyway.

@PAkhramchuk

2 жыл бұрын

I understand the reason behind of that: BW and color cartridges are on the same head and if 1 color is out the part of the head could become dry and malfunction. But they could mention that in manual and allow me to print because sometimes it is really matters!

@LTMoore-yy1lm

2 жыл бұрын

The reason is when you print in black it uses all colors with black to make you use more ink.

@doltBmB

2 жыл бұрын

What sent Stallman over the edge was proprietary printer drivers!

@andremalerba5281

2 жыл бұрын

Every HP I ever had worked like that even before they were online.

HP: We need to save the planet Also HP: Yeah bro no, go order more ink. You're not using ink you already have

@pinorino913

2 жыл бұрын

You don't pay for the ink, you pay for a certain amount of prints. Nobody forces you to order new ink. And come one, the amount of e-waste generated by a non depleted ink cartridge like this is negligible. Shitty business model, but at least is transparent

@madhatter8508

2 жыл бұрын

@@pinorino913 OK bootlicker

@MrCh0o

2 жыл бұрын

​@@pinorino913 So you're saying that if I cancel subscription before using up all my prints, I still will be able to print, then? Or will I not get even the _prints_ I paid for?

@pinorino913

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrCh0o if you cancel your data subscription before using all of your Gigs, can you still use them? again, it's not something i like, but it's not pure evil like other practices

@wumi2419

2 жыл бұрын

Saving the planet can wait, there's money on the line

I recently canceled my HP Ink subscription, it ends today. In the past 6 months I've used my printer twice but I was being charged a dollar and some change every month so I decided to cancel. It's true. I have 2 completely full ink cartridges that no longer work. Last week I printed out over 30 pictures of my cats to use as much of the ink as possible. It's a great service for people that actually use their printer on a daily basis but not for someone like me that barely ever uses it.

I remember when I found out about the elcheapo Brother B/W laser printers ($99 at the time with a ~500 page starter toner)...paid $70 for a toner cartridge, and it lasted me 10 years...never dried out, never needed to clean itself...just worked. Eventually it needed replacing, but by that time we hardly ever print anything anymore....I wonder how many dozzens of black inks I would have had to buy to print the 4-5k pages I got out of that one toner pack...and how many times it would have dried out and needed replacing (something I experience what felt like every time I needed to print something after college)

I think in the HP instant ink circumstance, HP should give you the option to buy that ink cartridge at the retail price minus the ink you've already used. I understand that if you pay $1 for some ink and they give you an entire ink cartridge that might be worth 10 or $20 that you shouldn't be able to take 10 or $20 from them after only having given them $1. It does seem kind of weird. They could always put in the fine print that you'll get auto charged for the full ink cartridge if you don't return it. But people will get mad about being automatically charged something unless they signed up for it first so it would have to be an option.

@davidvirgilio902

2 жыл бұрын

That totally makes sense! Brilliant thinking

@MonkeyJedi99

2 жыл бұрын

Or how about this, they actually charge what the ink cartridge is worth (real price, not padded price), and it is yours? If you cancel a magazine subscription, you don't lose the ability to read the magazine. If you cancel a "beer of the month" club membership, the alcohol in the beer you've already been shipped doesn't drop to 0%.

@davidvirgilio902

2 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyJedi99 then you would just be buying the ink cartridge at full price which you already can do. That’s the point. You can just go out and buy ink cartridges. If you don’t want to buy all the ink at once, you use this program. It’s dumb but that’s what it is. Now if they just charged you for the remaining ink if you cancel the subscription, that would be a different story and make more sense in the long run. Still a dumb program though

@MonkeyJedi99

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidvirgilio902 Agreed. It's one of the many perfect idiot traps out there.

@dpjazzy15

2 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyJedi99 ya, it's insanely marked up. Buy a tank printer. I have an Epson ecotank. It's fantastic! I think an outside upstart is going to show up in dramatically dropped the price of printing. They'll have to jump real hard to keep pace with it.

It is a business model. I worked for hp when this program started up. It was piloted in the USA, and after that it was piloted in the UK, I supported the UK, after that the rest of Europe. It counts the printed pages. Yes it is cheaper, if you print full size color photos. However, a single dot printed on a page, is a printed page. So you need to be careful with what you print. They do indeed provide an envelope to send back used up ink cartridges. But what really bothers me, when they send you a new set of ink cartridges, and you aren't home during the delivery, it will be send the to nearest post office. If you don't collect it within 2 weeks, it is NOT send back to hp, instead the cartridges will be destroyed. Because sending it back to HP is to expensive. Ink is the liquid gold for HP. I'm sure for printer manufacturers, ink is for all of them liquid gold.

@joshua43214

2 жыл бұрын

My Instant Ink goes in the mail box with the rest of my mail. The UK must just have some weird laws about this.

@tinkthestrange

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I have instant ink, idk if I would rebuy my printer now, but they leave my ink at the door

@beckoningjinx1119

2 жыл бұрын

So what happens if you try to print more than the tier allows per month? Did it have rollover pages, a hard limit to the number of pages, or a prompt to purchase a higher tier?

@joshua43214

2 жыл бұрын

@@beckoningjinx1119 You get rollover pages. When you run out of pages, you get charged per page. You get lots of warnings before and when you go over. You can just upgrade to the next tier to not pay the per page charge, then downgrade instantly so you only pay one month. The system is about as non-abusive as it gets.

@mylesfrost335

2 жыл бұрын

yep i had to teach my family to check for trailing blank pages before they print something

The price has changed from .99 a month to 4.99 a month. They don't send you a cartridge until you run out. You're still paying 4.99 a month even if they don't send a new cartridge

I use the instant ink subscription. I print very rarely. My wife likes to print photos but very infrequently. In the past I had many cartridges go dry on me because I would be stingy with the ink. Now my wife can has a set number of prints each month and I can't say anything about ink being expensive. My mindset is that I don't buy the ink I rent the cartridges when you are done renting you need to return the rented property. Same with leasing a car. When the lease is up you need to return the car. No matter how much gas is still left in the tank.

First. that’s why I love my Epson with refillable tanks, the upfront cost for the printer was higher but ink lasts wayyyyy more.

@strata8383

2 жыл бұрын

I support your message

@drewharper1891

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. 👍

@6581punk

2 жыл бұрын

@LabRat Knatz They have a cleaning box thing which needs replacing now and then. Epson's have always had a slow power on cleaning cycle thing.

@Nater2204

2 жыл бұрын

You are indeed first here have an internet cookie 🍪

@callmeizzy9785

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I did too.

just proves the ink is worthless as everyone already knew

@runed0s86

2 жыл бұрын

The markup is several thousand percent (from a ama on Reddit)

I set mine up and ran the alignment and clean head functions. They were some pretty bad streaky prints, but it was working. The black cartridge only printed exactly 50 pages (that coincidentally was the same as the plan I signed up for), and then it stopped printing black all together, which I found odd. It didn't fade. It wasn't like the ink was getting low. The black ink just stopped. I assumed this instant ink plan was where they would send you more ink when you needed it. They shut off ink cartridges that still have ink! That's some wasteful and fishy tactics HP. On top of that, I learn there's an overage fee if I somehow print more from a shut-off ink cartridge? This is going back into the box and will be sent back. No thanks, HP.

@CremeBrulee543

7 ай бұрын

I think this must be what happened to us tonight too!

I'm going to run contrary to this. The instant ink cartridges have a different chip that identifies them as being "instant ink" cartridges, and when the printer sees that it checks if the account associated with it is paying for instant ink. I think it's perfectly fair to do that, as it could easily be abused if someone could pay for one month of 99¢ instant ink and then cancel, rather than paying $60+ for a pair or set of new cartridges. Not even touching on ethics of the ink prices, it's to prevent abuse.

@AlDim000

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Consumers are completely free to choose what they want to do. They can buy the inks and use them as they wish or they can subscribe, it's all up to them.

@Kossine

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlDim000 yep, especially since when you subscribe you pay per page, not per cartridge.

This service reminds me of a professional copier rental service but on a really small scale. If you temporarily need a high output copier/printer machine you can rent a machine and they charge your for time/pages printed. They deliver the machine with toner and provide replacement toner as necessary and take back the machine once the terms are up. This is probably the only practical way to do this on such a small scale.

Fun fact: I think original HP ink is one of the most expensive fluids in the world and even beats Chanel No. 5 if I remember it correctly- although this is a different topic. Regarding the software-limitation: Tesla does the same with the battery capacity: you will get the same hardware capacity regardless of the battery size you choose. The actual usable capacity is controlled by software.

@cyberboyf13

2 жыл бұрын

Im not sure about most expensive, But i can definitely believe it ot be the one with higest markup rate.

@superslimanoniem4712

2 жыл бұрын

@@cyberboyf13 yeah, and if it isn't most expensive, it must be close.

@chubbymoth5810

2 жыл бұрын

That is also to keep them from exploding. You will get more miles from it.

@FlexDRG

2 жыл бұрын

If you measure how many ml of ink are in a cartridge and put the full price of the cartridge towards that and calculate it to a liter, or gallon, it is indeed very very expensive. But of course it's not fair to calculate it that way.

@javierortiz82

2 жыл бұрын

Not really, things like one doze of Zongelsma (a medicine for muscular atrophy developed by Novo Nordisk) is worth more than two million dollars and it's maybe a couple mililiters. But yeah, ml by ml, printer ink is very expensive when compared to most stuff.

Oreo the cat's story connnected to the HP subscription ink. Thst was a stroke of inspiration. :-)

I've got this and it works well enough for me. I don't miss the monthly payment, and I've always got plenty of ink on hand to do a print job. Printer companies have always made most profit from selling ink, not the printer.

I’d install “Little Snitch” and see what other information is being sent to HP. That’ or see if you can come across a software engineer/tech that can see what privacy issues may be being breached.

@TheQuickSilver101

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a Mac guy, but doesn't little snitch monitor the programs that attempt to communicate on the Mac itself? I'm pretty sure the printer would need to be connected directly to the internet for that ink program to work so it would completely bypass Little snitch.

@ZEPRATGERNODT

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheQuickSilver101 I’m not sure if the printer goes direct or through the computer but it can’t hurt to see what’s happening.

@Bri-bn5kt

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheQuickSilver101 Glasswire is another good one

@TheQuickSilver101

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nighterlev I know there are programs that will do that, I'm just saying that Little Snitch isn't going to work like he thinks it is

I am a HP Ink subscriber, using the 5 $, 100 pages/month plan for home/personal use (no company). Advantages as off October 2021 (HP might change some of the rules later on), are: 1. The price, yes 5 dollars/month for 100 pages is pretty good, considering each original cartridge cost is 10-15 $ for standard (100 pages) and 20-25 $ for XL (200 pages) ones, and you have to double that because it uses two cartridges, one b&w and one color. 2. When the current cartridges are empty enough, they just ship the new cartridges to you. You don't have to go to a store, they just get delivered. 3. If you don't use all the included number of pages per plan, the remaining pages will get transferred to the following month, but no more than three months. All of this is from my perspective as a user of a small, multifunction, ink printer. The disadvantage of course is paying for the ink, and not being able to use it, once the subscription runs out. Not being able to use hardware that you paid for, just because you're not a member of some subscription, it's one of the lowest, most despicable business model, a company could pull on it's users.

@natanlieds4468

2 жыл бұрын

1. This reasoning is based on the price of the original cartridge, which is already overpriced. Somehow, it makes the new subscription model attractive only because the usual model (proprietary cartridge) was already a scam. 3. Same, "how nice of them to transfer the unused prints to the following month", let's not forget the captive model in the first place. 2. Probably the only real advantage: peace of mind. Then it's just a matter of seeing if this service is worth the extra money. And I'd argue the concept of automatically getting supplies is not so new, there were third party companies doing this for a long time (including paper). What's new here is that HP is applying this concept for small printers (for individuals), and that it's locking the system to be the only possible supplier.

@PipereaRR

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm not trying to convince anyone about this business model being the perfect way, because honestly, it isn't. I'm just saying from my point of view. Basically 5 dollars is the transport fee to have something delivered to your home, here in Romania. Also, in my case, the printer is still on it's waranty period and I don't want to lose that by using third party ink/cartridges. There are many pro's and con's about this sure, but for me, until now, it's not that bad of a deal.

Thankyou for your explanation as I thought I was going mad once I'd subscribed my printer wasn't in my control and worked through the night waking me up etc so after a while I cancelled my subscription and then I couldn't use the ink they had sent me so have ordered my normal ink cartridges will get back to you to say if it works

Also if you have a DRM problem and can't print for weeks --- the courts generally don't understand still owning the unused ink is not a refund...

I was adopted by a ginger cat that my neighbors left when they moved out. 2 years later he's still here and he's awesome.

@nidah9957

2 жыл бұрын

Sad people do that

This is like the John Deere tractors that don't work unless the manufacturer waves its magic wand. No wonder why older tractors are in such high demand, it will probably be the same with modern printers.

Hey Louis, hope you see this comment. I'm in the signage industry, and the printer I use to print most of my signage and other promotional goods for customers is a HP Latex wide format printer. These printers are EXTREMELY robust and reliable. As these are commercial equipment, they seem to get much better treatment from big companies like HP, Epson, Mimaki and the like. Parts are available nearly a decade after the machines are made and through reseller networks, any part that is currently being made can be bought if you're willing to do the work yourself. (Most machines have service contracts that cover their lifetime, typically 60 months which covers parts and labour. Warranty can be voided if you work on it yourself during the warranty period though, but considering the fact that pretty much the whole machine is covered, no one bothers to waste time tinkering with it until the warranty ends.) It's funny to me that the regular consumer gets the arse end of EVERYTHING nowadays. Interested to hear your thoughts on this. Greetings from Down Under. :D

And this is why I haven't gotten a new printer since after the 2011 Flood. Got a toner printer/scanner/do it all and I've maybe replaced the black cartridge once.

We were promised flying cars but instead we got printers that phone home to ask permission to perform basic functions. Progress is truly amazing.

@YeOldeKamikaze

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, technology is amazing. Now we're getting printer ink DRM. What's next?

@Sercil00

2 жыл бұрын

It feels like we've reached a point in a lot of consumer technology where they just don't know how to improve on any aspect of it substantially. So instead, they all start adding things that make their perfectly usable products unusable, and then basically extort you to pay them more money before they make it usable again. We're regressing HARD.

@YeOldeKamikaze

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sercil00 A fair amount of truth there. Removing existing features from products then selling such features at a premium is also a thing. Video game consoles have practically done away with video game lending/borrowing by removing optical disc drives. I wonder how long it'll be until they reintroduce some sort of game lending/borrowing feature (at a cost, of course). EDIT: yes, I know current-gen consoles still offer models with ODDs, but this is most likely the last generation to do so.

when i need to make the decision on which printer i need to buy, im getting a refillable one. end of story. Also thank you for shining light on this subject, Louis, I will never buy any HP products from now on, and I will encourage my friends and family to do the same. This is some of the most anti consumer behavior I have ever been shown.

@nyfrankie9460

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, no more HP for me…and I mean ever.

@justinwilliams2000

2 жыл бұрын

Ya fascism is great!

@colinmckay5228

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinwilliams2000 thats not what fascism is.

@justinwilliams2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@colinmckay5228 well the government allowing this kind of corporate crap sure isn’t not fascism

@colinmckay5228

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinwilliams2000 you seem to misunderstand what fascism is. One component of fascism is controlling industry/production/business practices etc. So it would actually be considered fascist if the government took over HP and started running the show. Instead what is happening is the government is allowing people to take their grievances to court and ultimately siding with the consumers to protect them and the environment. Ultimately this is giving the consumers the ability to determine whether a company's practices fail or succeed Instead of only allowing a centralized authority to make all the decisions. I just don't see how that's fascist. I'm willing to have a civil discussion about your ideas and thoughts as to why you think this may or may not be fascist however.

In the good old days with business class laser printers. After x number of pages the HP Laser would throw a code on the tiny lcd, Typically meaning to call for service. Now being the ever constructive repair technician, A fellow quickly figured out there was a series of sequences to reset the code. This typically occurred when the toner cartridge was low. After a gentle shake of the toner cartridge and voile. So a fellow observed the printer would just keep working until print quality diminished (The toner cartridge was out) in about 9 months to a year later. Ink cartridges are manufactured in a factory similar to the semi conductor manufacturing process. Many printers will not perform with even Magenta out of ink. So I guess they figured out how to determine if a valid account is active when constantly talking to the mother ship. What happens when the internet is down?

I bought an older Epson Workforce WF-7710 inkjet printer. Found hacked firmware online. Bought and installed. Printer never shows less than full cartridges and never complains about the refillable cartridges that are installed. I have to open the top of the printer occasionally to look at ink levels and add ink, but in total this is a wonderful experience, knowing I never have to worry about cartridge replacement ever again.

It does feel weird at first. I think the reason they do it that way is so people don’t get the $1 I k cartridge the cancel as soon as they get it. Whether you actually save money is dependent on what you print, and how much you print. If you print pictures, they take a ton of ink, and you’ll save a boat load of money. If you print tons of pages with hardly any ink you would spend more money with the program. Look at the page yield on the standard and XL cartridges, divide the price by that many pages a d you get the cost per page. Keep in mind, that is an estimate. It is based on a stand I can’t remember the name of, but it’s equal to printing a solid square on each page roughly like an 1.5 X 1.5 inches. So, if you print flyers, pictures, greeting cards, and other stuff with a lot of ink on them, you can expect to get WAY less than the claimed page yield. In those cases, you’d definitely save money with that program.

@tsgsjeremy

2 жыл бұрын

I liked this post twice because you're right...and you get it. Still, for my clients I recommend anything but HP unless it's a big professional printing shop. Not worth the headache.

@odys3803

2 жыл бұрын

@@tsgsjeremy yes, HP has consumer products but they concentrate on large scale solutions more.

I'm so glad I bought a cartridgeless inkjet, the bottles cost the same has a set of cartridges, and last me literal years. This printer ever breaks I'll pay out the nose to get it fixed

My last inkjet was an hp c310a. Dumped it after getting a cartridge that I got ONE use out of. Never again. Got a Fuji xerox laser. Pretty happy with it.

HP 2000 print cartridges had a chip inside with a hard coded expiration date. Once the date was reached, you could not print even if it was full of ink. The expiration date was from the date of manufacture. If you bought ink that had been on the shelf for a while, you might not be able to use it.

i haven't used an inkjet printer at home or work for years because of the ink-based 'business model'. they practically give the cheap, plastic 'printer' away, then gouge on the ink. laser printers are still made that have generic toners. if you print a lot, it'll be worth the upfront expense and laser toner tends to last a long time compared to an inkjet.

@JoeKind1958

2 жыл бұрын

HP’s latest firmware updates to my M477 color laser jet printer don’t allow the use of aftermarket toner Cartridges even if you change out the electronic chip that’s on each cartridge with the proper one. Check out my post here, it’s about 10 or 15 posts up from this one.

@niteriderevo9179

2 жыл бұрын

also worth it for rather infrequent printing, no more dealing with clogged print-heads, dried out ink and the like, unlike with inkjet

Of course, the juicero was simply a warning of the future smh

I don't mind this option because it gives consumers a choice of an ownership or a subscription service model and allows people to go in Eyes Wide Open. What I do have a problem with is when the printer disables itself from other features because it doesn't have ink in it and that is not disclosed upfront to users purchasing the product

I've heard it said (by a mid-level manager in the HP Photosmart Sales and Marketing Department) that HP doesn't sell printers. HP sells "slots" into which people pour ink. I also learned that HP's strategy at the time was to sell their low end printers at a loss, just to get more "slots" out there.

@wihamaki

5 ай бұрын

The per page cost for a cheap printer can be 7x than that using Instant Ink program. The crazy thing is, if you use a cheap printer AND the Instant Ink program, the real draw back is only perhaps speed and quality.

I am very fed up with hp ink subscription. I don't use up an ink cartridge for 6 months and the moment my cc expires I cannot use my printer because they will not send a cartridge despite having paid monthly

@dakotadad8835

2 жыл бұрын

If you don’t use ink that much don’t subscribe to a monthly service, I don’t I just buy when I need it, you Only save money if you’re using it a lot

My insides feel more and more uneasy with the future of technology approaching us.

I love the style of the thumbnails, its a big improvement over your usual thumbnail IMO. Love the content as always!

My printer uses 6 separate cartridges and an original manufacturer set is very expensive. As soon as the warranty ran out, I started ordering from a couple of online suppliers at a cost of around $3 to $4 a cartridge. The printer is over 6 years old, and during that time, only one cartridge was not functional and was replaced within two days via mail.

While the "Instant ink" service is not something I would use (I hate paying for something every month, especially if I am not using it that month), it kind-of makes sense. HP would not want the customer to get the cheapest plan, get the cartridge and then cancel the plan, but keep the cartridge. Then do this again, once the cartridge runs out of ink. With that service you are renting the ink, not buying it, so whatever. A device refusing to scan if it's out of ink - now that is inexcusable and I am glad Canon got sued over it.

@superslimanoniem4712

2 жыл бұрын

Just make it so that you need the serial to sign up and if you cancel, you can't use that same serial to sign up for 6 months or something.

@Pentium100MHz

2 жыл бұрын

@@superslimanoniem4712 That would still allow abuse (you'd still get "almost free" ink every 6 months) and would prevent legitimate cancellations ("I'm going away on vacation for a month, won't be printing anything").

@graytonw5238

2 жыл бұрын

In my case as a freelancer who has customers that insist on printed copies of reports I build for them, this plan would make sense. I know I'm always going to be using ink every month, so if I bought whatever plan I would need for the amount of ink I use, it probably would be cheaper for me to go the subscription route. For most users not printing regularly though, it wouldn't make sense. I have an Epson Workforce printer, so it's really academic, but you never know if they might start following HP's lead...

@MementoMori-xx5qo

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, someone with common sense!

This is why I use Brother printer with refillable cartridges which I got from Ebay

@WallaceRoseVincent

2 жыл бұрын

What model?

@flybobbie1449

2 жыл бұрын

Buy one with ink tanks. Replacing cartridge could still lead to problems.

some brands kind of do this already with the ink drying up inside the cartridge if you don't use it fast enough. I wasn't printing enough so it was essentially "buy a new set of cartridges for printing a page or two", so i upgraded to a laser printer

@Zanithos

2 жыл бұрын

Literally all ink based cartridges do this. Ink is alcohol based, and evaporates over time. Toner is a solid powder, and does not. You made the right choice with the laser, but it's not a "some ink brands" problem. It's literally *all* ink brands.

@andrewphi4958

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zanithos my ink is water-based and I've been through this dry-and-die story a few times too. Now I just take em out and store in sealed bags with a tampon dipped in clean water to maintain humidity.

I remember when you could go on ebay, order a ink cartage, then fill it with whatever ink you want for the price you are willing to pay. No chips that are read and no ink that dies after a few pages(Canon Branded UGH)

I really hate printing anything at all because of the "can't print because one ink cartridge is empty." Oreo and Mr. Clinton will be back more often. It was definitely a real treat to see both of them relaxing with you.

@Bri-bn5kt

2 жыл бұрын

I don't do a lot of printing, thankfully. But when I do, I almost never need color. A cheap laser printer is good enough for me.

I love how those two cats brought Louis's chill level to 100 lol Never seen him so happy lol

@RMJTOOLS

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he had turned it up to 11.

As weird as HP Instant Ink's model is, it's probably the best way of doing a monthly ink subscription. The confusion comes in the fact that you're not paying for the ink; you're paying for the ability to print a certain number of pages every month, and they accommodate that by sending ink cartridges that far exceed the monthly limit. This alleviates the worry of being cheated out of pages because HP can't ship new cartridges fast enough (is takes about ten days for them to arrive). At this, however, you can get overage charges for using the ink they sent you if you go over your page limit because you paid for those pages, not the ink, which is odd. It's sort of like if you rented a car for a week with a 500 mile limit. Yeah, you have access to the car for the week, and it CAN go over 500 miles, but you only have access to it for the rate you paid up to the mile amount. Regardless, I'm impressed how well the program is implemented. I had a lot of printing to do, so, for the price of a single inkjet cartridge that produces about 120 pages, I got the 700-page subscription. They sent me a cartridge that I estimate yielded 1,000 pages, and they sent me another before it was half-empty. As such, I was holding off on printing because I hit my page limit, not because I didn't have the ink to do it. While unorthodox, HP certainly provides what you need to get the value out of your subscription. Short of getting a laserjet printer and running off toner, this seems to me like the most economical way for a non-business individual to do mass printing. It also has the benefit of: have everything ready to print, get the service for a month, print it all at once, then cancel. It's far more affordable than constantly having to buy more cartridges. I'll admit it is weird they can deactivate your physical cartridges; I didn't even know that happened, but I think it's a lot better than the alternative of, "Oh whoops! We only sent you enough ink for half your pages. Don't worry though; your pages rollover. Just keep your subscription going, and you'll use it all eventually" Anyway, that's my take. Not an HP rep, but believe what you want.

I had that crappy service for a little while. Seemed good at first but I didn’t print much, so the cartridge heads would dry out early and stop working even though they had plenty of ink in them. But because they had ink in them and should technically still be working, I was not due to receive replacements, so I had to initiate getting new ones prematurely. Yes, the cartridges becoming unusable in this situation would have happened regardless of the replacement program, but it was an added layer of hassle to deal with. And I really was not saving any money under those circumstances.

Oreo 😍

@wesss9353

2 жыл бұрын

Praise upon Oreo the wise

@arnox4554

2 жыл бұрын

Louis Rossmann: Akimbo Cat Edition

This happened to me and my HP printer and I was THIS close to going Office Space on it. In my case my printer lost its connection to my Instant Ink account and no matter what I tried I couldn’t reconnect it. I cancelled the Instant Ink subscription immediately. I initially thought it would be a great way to save money….

Hey Louis! I hope this comment finds you well. I am a tech supervisor at staples and sell printers almost every day. And I nust admit the hp instant ink is a total scam for some people. Like you said if you barely print at all it may be right for you, however there is another issue I would like to touch base on. So first off I always tell the customer up front what instant ink is and does and what kind of problems they may run into if it's not a right fit for them. When you sign up for instant ink they allow you to select those packages however what they don't quite tell you is that when you don't use the ink for a month they will still charge you and not send more cartridges. That's the problem with the printer talking to the cartridges to determine whether your payment warrants you a product. It's an awful business practice. I've been converting people to brother black and white laser jets for quite some time now.

The last update on my hp printer caused it to start flasging. Now to print i have to reinsert several carts before it will start working again.