This one is absolutely huge! Seriously, this simple model of value helps to explain so many of the confusing or paradoxical-seeming behaviors when it comes to women and dating.

@diegolobianco1015

2 жыл бұрын

This video removed a lot of my question marks of past approaches and dates, so simple and so helpful. Thank you!

@johncarson1242

2 жыл бұрын

straightforward and sharp always amazing todd best game in the world right now

@rwei85able

2 жыл бұрын

Another awesome video, so much valuable info and so helpful! Thanks as always!

@MrPersistent16

2 жыл бұрын

How does one create relative value?

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

A question I have for a video is say you are a virgin and have been for a while, but you are really working on your life and trying to learn game, how do you mentally convince yourself to get rejected and put in the sometimes traumatizing effort when you are not sure if it's even possible for you to get laid?

6:20: Gigachad walks by. What coincidence 😂. Great video Todd.

@TheRumpelstinskin

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahaahah

@ohno837

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@guntertorfs6486

2 жыл бұрын

More strutting gigatwat.

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

What is a gigachad? Guy with big muscles and tan and black hair? Sounds like a standard male human from around the world. It's funny that what is considered amazing in America is considered a poor, low value laborer in many places I have lived.

High absolute value / High relative value: Todd shows himself 🤣🤣🤣

@PremiumUserUltra

Жыл бұрын

Nope

Lmao love how at 6:40 Todd pans to himself when describing high absolute and relative value

I like how you explain how a guy with low absolute value but high relative can sleep with a girl but can’t do it the other way around. This is wild but very true!!

@funincluded

2 жыл бұрын

You didn’t know that a wealthy man could be uninteresting?

@Trump-A-Bad-MF

2 жыл бұрын

That's sad

@jossell911

2 жыл бұрын

@@funincluded I know but forgot somewhere down the lines. Vid is a big eye opener.

@slamar8712

2 жыл бұрын

Wealthy man can get laid a lot... multiple sugar babies change them like socks lol

@bogaziciliceohaluk

2 жыл бұрын

@@jossell911 yo, just improve yourself bro. believe me all of this game bullshit doesnt work. yes you might try and front everything but the ultimate "tactic" is to become better

After learning game for a long time this always confused me. Other coaches would always imply that "relative value" would override everything, and also be the value you would be judged on or evaluated on we might say, after the interaction. Pretending absolute value is entirely wasteful, seems really common in the game community and I wasn't sure what to make of it. It seemed most people believed that if you just had enough relative value through your frames and push-pulls, literally any sort of girl of any level of value would be willing to drop everything to get into a relationship with you, and I really appreciate that you think of these as different things with different outcomes. You validated and agreed with what I suspected was true but was unable to to ever confirm or hear from any coach in this area, I suspect because of marketing reasons "Game can get any girl in any way just try harder forever buy more products forever" and so on, but not really acknowledging that working on yourself in the more abstract sense might also help your game. Thanks for the realism!

@richardw3347

2 жыл бұрын

yea, u def want both if possible.

@austinsnyder3185

2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree and I’m also very glad he confirmed this for me. I just wish I had a way to learn the relative value. I carry the other, but get rejected because they don’t see me in the sexual way. Need help, any advice is welcome

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

My question is...if you have high absolute value, but very low relative value, but girls still see me as sexual because part of the high absolute value is being tall and good looking, how directly can you just tell the girl about your absolute value and disregard the relative value and still get results? Do you really need amazing relative value to get girls if you truly have great absolute value?

@austinsnyder3185

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmusgrove6990 I feel you man. I get a lot of girls because I’m simply good looking and have decent absolute value considering my wealth and social status. But when it comes to truly wowing a hot girl with the relative side of things. Approaching, small talk, compliments, etc. I suck

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

@@austinsnyder3185 I have a wide array of things that create absolute value, but none of it has helped me get girls haha. Another question I have is - aren't charisma, good sense of humor, confidence, personability and enjoyment of being social part of having high absolute value. That's where I get confused. I know people who get girls with no game tactics simply because they naturally have those things I just mentioned. So then what is the distinction between relative value and just being a naturally social, desirable man in conversation? Lastly, can you teach charisma, personability, etc? Aren't these things that just make certain people higher absolute value and therefore better at game and with women? This is where game falls apart a bit for me. To be clear, I don't really have any of those things lol except maybe sense of humor. I've watched all of Todd's and RSD content, but none of it changes those things.

great explanation, as usual. People seem to see your videos and assume its pure pickup game. When your videos, almost always. Are about how to implement framework. And what that does, is make everyone involved in social experiences feel way more comfortable because you aren't confused about what people want and think because you know what the frame is and how to control it. Literally most of your tips i use for work rather than for pickup game. Because social interaction is social interaction regardless. And when you get good, it translates to everything.

Wow this was so well explained. Never though of differentiating value as absolute and relative. Thank you very much.

Observe that being a "nice person" is not a factor here for women. They don't care for such qualities as being nice, good, helpful etc. They value only things like status, looks, game etc.

@Li0nshare

2 жыл бұрын

So true wtf. Christian, spiritual… close to the Lord… this means nothing!? Lol 😆

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

Well, to sleep with you, but if you want to truly be connected to them and date them for long time, these things are important. Sleeping with a girl once is like watching porn, who cares.

@SapphireSandwichBoys

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmusgrove6990 It's because certain people only view interacting with women as a sexual pursuit. If they aren't going to get laid or the girl isn't someone that they want to get laid with, they don't care.

@Shakor77

2 жыл бұрын

​@@timmusgrove6990 They won't sleep or "connect" with you, for a relationship, unless you attract them. And being a nice person, does not attract women. period. Some men have a hard time believing this because they think women are attracted to the same things as men, they don't. So men might value things as honor and being a dependent and honest person, but women do not. They might say they do but that is why you should never ask women about what they want in a man. They will either lie or think that they are attracted to something, that they aren't. Attraction is not a choice. Don't be a nice person, if you think that will get you a women, it will not. You will get friend-zoned and/or taken advantage of.

@Paul-yk7ds

Жыл бұрын

The "nice," "good," "helpful" characteristics would fall under "comfort" in game terminology. Todd has spoken elsewhere about how you do need both value AND comfort to sleep with a girl. The ratio needed for the girl depends on her personal blueprint and the mood she's in at that time. But of course you need SOME amount of comfort, not just value. If she thinks you literally might drug her and kill her, she's not going home with you. So you have to seem trustworthy and "nice" and "good" to some degree-more for some girls than others, though.

Thank God Todd gives this gold free of charge. Giving light as we stumble through this cave called life

Gotta love all this Free content from Todd always with clutch Topics to be honest

Fantastic video as always! I'd also add that the ones who are more easily duped by the relative value are usually the lower quality girls - one more thing that PUAs almost never tell you. There is no way around being a genuinely high quality person yourself in order to attract high quality girls. "Game" is only a way to get your foot in the door initially, just like a well crafted resume and solid interview skills. But once you're already in, you cannot ride on these two for too long to stay in your job.

To reach the higher ranking girls you can: A. Improve the platform you are currently standing on (absolute value) Or B. Improve how high you can jump/ reach (relative value) Optimal results will require you to improve both to the best of your abilities.

@Righteous1ist

2 жыл бұрын

How about doing both

@drwayne_carter9115

2 жыл бұрын

@@Righteous1ist read my last sentence

@Righteous1ist

2 жыл бұрын

@@drwayne_carter9115 Oh yea

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

but what isn't discussed is that there are certain things that will prevent you from success with women no matter how much absolute value you have and I contend that relative value is just a part of absolute value lol, charisma and personability are character traits that depend on your personality type. You can improve them slightly, but not enough to offset massive natural differences in those areas. Like how can Todd or RSD say they are introverted and bad in those areas to start when they clearly made a career out of public speaking and social media, it's laughable. The more I learn about game, the more it's just be awesome in as many ways as possible and if girls don't like you, too bad.

@schophi

Жыл бұрын

beautiful analogy!

I'm in the top left quadrant. High relative and low absolute value. I've had a lot of dates and hook ups, but I couldn't managed to get any girls want to date me. They would always move on to next guy and I had to go through all the process of getting a new girl again which is exhausting. I couldn't get a relationship for the life of me and it took me so long to realize why. Now I know. I'm a good player, but I don't have the money, the status and the body to back it up.

Finally someone in game says it like it is. Thank you!

Fire ass video. One thing I'll add though is that it's not always a price frame or a frame battle, you can just be valuable relatively valuable by being seductive are comfortable with your sexuality you didn't have to set any frame where she's chasing you you just displayed high-value traits.

Your very smart todd… I love the way you articulate your knowledge. Thank you keep it up

I’ve always thought this way, but never put any terms to it. I think sometimes people complicate and over think these things. I’m learning game to build attraction and connection with women, but I’m also just as much into fitness, healthy lifestyle, and looking good in fitted clothes. So I workout regularly and always am working on fitness and health goals. I also have a sewing machine and tailor my own clothes. This is in addition to learning game. Add a good job to the mix with a few hobbies and your life is enhanced.

Amazing explanation, thank you !

Great video! Very insightful.

Brilliant categorising of sence! Thank you, Todd!

This is deep. Great vid💯

Great video, thanks Todd

brilliant, explains so much, thanks

Excellent explanation of a very interesting concept : the two types of value in game.

Thanks Todd awesome this his a life changer

Love this... Riffing off RSD’s latest video in TODDS way

Great video man. I had a similar model in my mind but i call them solid value and conveyed value

Great clarification and conceptualisation (dare I say, Torero-esk in its clarity...) Thanks Todd

Once again.. Todd with the encyclopedic knowledge :D

Solid logic skills, appreciate u

Perfectly explained, so I have high absolute value but low relative value. I get it now.

Man you are legend .... this is knowledge.... that made me understand a lot of things that happened in my journey... specially with my rich ex-s girls .

Good stuff… just knowing this will make you better

Great stuff.

Im gonna buy soon your Value Masterclass Program.

Excellent!!!

Absolute fkn Legend 🔥

You can tell Todd is a pro presenter because he describes the contents of his slides instead of reading them.

Great video

Damn Todd V was in HB! Probably at the Bungalow at Pacific City, that spot pops off

This is a good video. I gives respect, where respect is due.

This explains a lot of, Most interactions I have with girls are on the lower right quadrant. Even my friends got confused as to why I was being friendzoned

Love the game theory / swot analysis grid lmao

Why yes I am glad to be featured in your thumbnail

I feel like having your tangible value come after your personality value hits deeper because she’ll all already have a strong attraction for you and then the second part for the feeling of security will be felt that’s why I never give that part of me until if got them on the hook for me 1st that doesn’t mean I entirely leave everything out I still give bits but not enough for them to fully know it just

this WAS absolute value

I always knew that money, status, and looks were a part of game since it attracts women. It’s easiest honey to bees bait to get more women interested, but you can’t keep them with just that alone. Other men have those things too. What keeps women around is how you make them feel and that’s coming from relative value if your absolute value is established. Your framework is so mindblowingly simple, but it makes me digest game a lot better

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

We need a clearer explanation of this subject, this is the most important subject in game. RSD said forever that looks, money and status don't matter at all. Now Todd is admitting that they do matter somewhat. Can we just be honest that the reason Todd gets laid if he wants is due to social media presence, having a nice house and generally clearly being well liked online. Same for all the RSD coaches. Quick flash of a insta screen, quick demo of social proof with friends or customers in venue with you, clearly having no money issues and being decent looking. How are we not admitting that those factors could be used within 3 mins to convince a girl that you are worth sleeping with vs guys who have none of that.

@KevinBrown-sv3kq

11 ай бұрын

​@timmusgrove6990 because snake oil salesman need to make money

I wonder how many women never want to see Todd again because they where acting out of their character as you say lol Thanks Todd, you’re showing me the way.

I feel like I've been in all quadrants at different times, except the high/high one😮‍💨 Like, back when I was at the "high relative, low absolute" part... It was mentally exhausting, because of how much effort it takes to even get a girl on a date. I feel a bit down just remembering that time. The one girl I managed to sleep with told me "you are not ready yet", without clarification on what that even means... I guess it might've been that. I've worked on my absolute value since (working out, accumulating wealth), but the overall frustration combined with the mental fatigue from "quickly dealing with the situation" gets through the cracks, and is hurting my game at this point, and yes, I sort of get friend zoned now, and I blame it on this partially.

ur the youtube dating legend!

Todd the GOAT

This. Is. The. Golden. Egg. To. Game.

I like this video and way how author adapted Rene Descartes decision quadrant to dating game... and have a request... which is: 'Can you adapt this approach (similar quadrant) to topic 'how women evaluate themselves according to the same 4 criteria mentioned in this video (combinations of absolute and relative societal values)?' Thank you very much for this video... pretty please, if you can (Todd V Dating) - JUST DO IT! Sorry, this is early morning... just woke up and Nike motto came to mind. :) As far as Descartes decision quadrant goes: 1. What is going to happen if I do something; 2. What is not going to happen if I do something; 3. What is not going to happen if I don't do something; 4. What is going to happen if I don't do something. Just an explanation of above said.

dope video

Very true

Oh you and your charts. :-)

I’m really trying man but this shit hurts my head. I have such a hard time comprehending all the technical stuff like this. I feel completely blind to subtle social queue’s in the moment (I.e. framing & shit tests). I’m trying to apply some of Todd’s techniques but I end up thinking too much and get brain lock. If I don’t try as hard and “be myself” then I don’t know what to say and I get super boring. Guess I just keep trying?

Great video Todd! Do you plan arriving to Israel for business?

Hey Todd 😁, what advice would you gave me, if I wanted to attract taller girl than me. I'm pretty short 5'9 and if a girl is taller my confidence is crashed. Loving your channel, you are awsome!

@ATDStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Hey man, I'm not Todd but when it comes to height, it's 50-50. Some girls care, some don't. I'm 5'8" and have dated a few women who were taller than me. I dated a girl who was 6'3" and never doubted my ability to pull it off because I could tell there was some interest. Some girls take height very seriously and some will not care at all as long as you're cool. Don't worry about it too much but don't give up if a few of them blow you off.

Genius

This is a game changer

Great explanation!!! I got my game down and am working more on absolute value now. Gotta have both to be pumping on all gears.

Don't let this graph distract you from the fact that you can be "mid" in both and still be successful in dating 😉 That's part of the journey for most men who are trying to do better. But it's good to know and understand this, to be able to clear the misconceptions in dating and teach it to people who don't understand the distinction.

@saughs

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. I was just thinking that I’m probably medium absolute value and my relative value fluctuates but is usually solid. Still looking to improve, but I’ve had some great experiences and am more successful than the average dude. Aim high, but you can still be happy if you land in the middle. Improving at all is pretty rewarding, especially if you’re coming from the low/low quadrant.

@ifeelhalfnaked484

2 жыл бұрын

i only knew when i dont have absolute value handled, i had hard time to attract HB8s above, because im only a 5....usually these beautiful girls dont hang around bars/clubs/shopping malls. I've rarely seen any eights or nines walking in the mall

@exnihilonihilfit6316

2 жыл бұрын

Duh.

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

To your first statement, how do you know? Wouldn't that depend on who you are? People are always saying you can be successful at dating if you try, where is the proof? I've been obsessed with this topic for almost 10 years, but no success at all

@razzdiamond6447

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmusgrove6990 because I was "mid" for years lmao but quickly making that transition. I been in the game 10 years and have a bisexual gf. My game is on point I just need the money to catch up 🤷🏾‍♂️ EDIT: there are plenty of intermediate guys who are enjoying life. You don't have to be the greatest, but just putting in the effort and learning the right things already separates one guy from many others.

This really throws through the fckn window the self improvement thing To realize that you don't attract what you are is depressing no doubt But the world ain't fair anycase

@TheMicahwitz

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not depressing, that’s great news! Means you can be the person you want to attract.

@richardw3347

2 жыл бұрын

he discusses both. absolute value=self improvement type stuff. relative value=game/social skills. you want both for best outcomes.

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

Well, you can't be taller, smarter, had a better childhood, generally can't be better looking, wiser, bigger D, nicer skin if you have skin issues and you can't change your personality type, so what exactly can you change to be the person you want to attract?

@richardw3347

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmusgrove6990 everything else. Make a list of qualities of an ideal partner then develop those things. Confidence, charm, self respect, self- trust or whatever else. You attract more or less of who and what u are.

@TheMicahwitz

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmusgrove6990 sigh…my boy…why you focusing on the superficial? What about courage? Humility? Confidence? An iron will? Kindness? Toughness? Empathy? Chill attitude? The ability to build others up? Those are qualities of a leader. If you walk with big dick energy it don’t matter how tall you are or what your skin looks like. Focus on being a king instead of what the mirror tells you.

Finally... looks and money matter people, and it matters a lot. The way I see it is absolute value is definitely the more important one of the two, but you need relative value to be able to use your absolute value to its full potential

@freddylimpster7137

2 жыл бұрын

Absolute value is only important if you wanna suck society's collective dick. If you don't give a shit what people think of you and where you stand in society, absolute value will be something meaningless to you. Relative value, on the other hand, is the byproduct of what you actively build within the interaction with the girl, and it's way more important to me than trying to win the rat race and trying to be cool, edgy, appreciated in high-profile social circles etc. It holds way more significance in terms of actual game that leads to potentially satisfying relationships

@guntertorfs6486

2 жыл бұрын

@@freddylimpster7137 Very True. Love the "society's collective dick sucking". (= slightly different meaning of sentence , i know ) Was LOL .

@payamb5039

2 жыл бұрын

@@freddylimpster7137 I think we're not defining absolute value the same way, to me it just means having a decent job with good income, working out and generally trying to be your best self, no girl wants to be with a guy who has no future but has all the game

@jonathanf7950

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. Work on being the best version of yourself and girls come either way, on the other hand if you only focus on women you’ll never get anywhere in life…

@stockholmpublishings2937

2 жыл бұрын

ofc it does, you literally have to do nothing if you look good.

Cousin Tee 💪🏿

You are fuckin awesome!! We love you!

Just become the rich, famous, tall, and handsome guy with a great charismatic personality that every women wants!

If there's any person I love beside my mom it's Todd

as the Founder, President and Chairman of the Board of the World Incel Organization, I am in the Low Absolute and Low Relative quadrant. Being older as well means I cannot move from this quadrant anymore. Thats what makes me such a good cam model customer.

Can you make video for each category

Value, scarcity, demand.

Achieving high absolute value is a lifetime pursuit though... It usually requires a type of dedication and focus that excludes having much time for anything else, including game.

@dimex3362

Жыл бұрын

Bingo

Todd you’ve got to get your old videographer back or get the new one to work on the color grading - you look very yellow. Big fan, thanks for all the content 🙏

Ang galing mo pring....

Videos on relative value? Courses on it? Would love to to seriously learn how to master this

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

I think that is literally what the whole channel is about

wow this is genius

Would having strong boundaries count for relative value or absolute value?

I have high absolute value but low relative value. As in I make really solid money, I’m 6’4 and handsome, I’ve been working out for a decade, etc. but when I’m with girls I fall within their frame… How can I fix this? I know I bring so much to the table yet I feel the need to supplicate to them.

Do you think this is another way of looking at the lover/provider distinction idea?

Where to you place inner game and self esteem which is in my eyes the most important thing for attracting women?

The basic truth that I tryed so hard to ignore since I discovered game..

Hi, how can I increase my relative value?

Now it makes sense haha

Man... You having all that knowledge and experience, I wish you'd talk about how to have female friends. All the female friends I ever had in my social circle ended up wanting to be with me and once they figured out that I didn't want to be with them, then they broke the friendship altogether. So dumb... And then girls say they believe in friendship between men and women. pffft... BS! PS.: I'm not trying to gloat here. I know how this community can be, all the way back from the Mystery days. Lots of chodes trying to low key impress peers with lies. Not the case.

Giga chad everywhere

Todd how do I build higher relative value if I already have higher absolute value

Agreed

WAIT YOU LIVE IN HUNTINGTON BEACH?! I ride my motorcycle down PCH every day!!!

Leaps and bounds have been made in 8 mins

He has a clip of him when he’s taking about both high value…lol

All kinds of value and all kinds of woman. It means dont worry about it.

absolute value = smv relative value = game

Hey Todd how would you increase your relative value?

How does one measure absolute value, though? You could be handsome but broke, you can be average looking but financially successful. Plus, if you invest instead of spending your money, how do they know your absolute value? 🤔

Why it’s summer in where u are

high absolute value walking behind todd 6:21

@exnihilonihilfit6316

2 жыл бұрын

Depends. Not if he's a taxi or pizza-delivery driver at 24+. 😁

@chingchingbling2145

6 ай бұрын

​@@exnihilonihilfit6316Still better than being an IT employee in third world country

i call it "assume superiority". after trial and error (and careful observation), i noticed that women respond to "male superiority" triggers. I extends beyond game and into relationships/marriage. You constantly have to remind the girl of "who's boss" or "who's above the other". Girls also subconsciously test for that through shit tests (a feature of hypergamy?). She needs the reassurance that your frame is strong and that you're still captain of this ship.

@timmusgrove6990

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like daddy issues to me

@hotlucky5622

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmusgrove6990 it's a feature, not a bug

@adamtash2891

2 жыл бұрын

which is why the feminst obsession with "equality" is so hypocritical in the end...female nature wants absolutly nothing to do with equality

This is like romantic economics