A couple of sequential sentences in the Book of Mormon (that are unfortunately separated by a chapter heading): "And we did find all manner of ore, both of gold, and of silver, and of copper. And it came to pass that the Lord commanded me, wherefore I did make plates of ore that I might engraven upon them the record of my people." To me this tends to support the notion that the plates were, in fact, made of an alloy.

Found this presentation so interesting. Thankyou so much for sharing your knowledge and experience and thoughts on the making of the gold plates. It's much appreciated.

Wow, Wow, Wow Bravo! What a wonderful and insightful presentation. I love how this discussion gets to the root of the challenges the early prophets encountered . When it is broken down like this, I am again reminded of the thousands of little things the Lord and the Prophets did for us, all so we can have God in our lives everyday. Thanks be to God always, and his Prophets for all the little things they do, and for thinking of us and the times we are living in ❤

Gave me something to ponder that I never would have thought about. Thank you!

@RegardingThePlan

3 жыл бұрын

Okay ponder this question. Will people in the Spirit World have access to the B of M? The way the scriptures are part of the covenants we make for them suggests the answer is yes. Look very closely at Words of Mormon 1:1-2. For more to think about see RegardingThePlan.com

Excellent video -- thank you for helping us gain a deeper appreciation for the craftsmanship and effort that went into making and engraving the plates, as well as the beautiful reminder of the true value of the plates.

I knew that face was my amazing cousin! You tutored my brother in the art of goldsmithing! Thank you for sharing this fascinating insight into the sacrifices made by the "craftsmen prophets" who labored so diligently to make, engrave and preserve this record to bless the world in our day!

@brianpatch1655

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I did, then he became much more skilled than I was! Thanks for watching the video, and for the kind comment!

The Lord is always involved in helping those who are pure in heart, to accomplish his works, just as he gave Nephi the instructions for building a ship (with “curious” workmanship). They may have had tools that we would have been amazed at! Mardean Merrill

@loggrad9842

2 ай бұрын

How pure is Elon Musk's heart? Lots of kids dying in Africa that just must not have very pure hearts I guess.

This practical analysis renders much insight as to the reality of both composition and production of the Gold Plates.

I don't need a modern explanation for everything about the Book of Mormon but this was really fascinating. Thank you for making this video.

@bergersworth

3 жыл бұрын

Seconded. This was edifying and fun.

Amazing for Nephi to do this alone in the beginning. Maybe he learned a lot in Jerusalem in his youth. They did have brass plates. He could have brought some tools with him. His father kept a record so he might have been a craftsman of metals. It sure brings a great light to the commandment of keeping a journal. Our excuses are going to be pretty lame. I marvel at the beautiful passages that were written and the amount that they wrote. It was done with passion and love. I barely write much with a flowing pen. I believe prayer as well as ministering angels helped them create these records. This is the help that Nephi must have had as he made engraved records and an amazing ship to cross the ocean. Thank you for sharing your knowledge that you have most likely prayerfully sought for.

What a delightful amount of work God has provided. Work is the key in all aspects to get us to to shine

It’s surely God’s marvelous work among His children! I’m even more thankful for God’s Prophets who obeyed God’s commands, made, wrote and kept the records and Joseph Smith translated from the gold plates to the Book of Mormon by the power and gift of God for us! I truly LOVE the Book of Mormon so precisely and this video made me to have greater respect for the Prophets and also God’s marvelous work even more. Thank you for your great work and also sharing greatness of God.

Immensely fascinating! ! Gives one a greater appreciation for what it took to bring about the physical record. Thank you for such enlightenment!

Very interesting, I never knew the making of and writing on the plates was such an arduous job!

Just outstanding indeed.

Great Presentation! Great to see you classmate!! 😉🙂

I am in great amazement how those strong prophets engraved and protected that great work. Thank you for this video.

Fascinating! Now I appreciate even more the work that must have gone into the making of these plates by ancient prophets. Thank you for your work in trying to replicate the process and for sharing your knowledge!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us -- Loved it.

It's quite interesting that despite being made out of something so valuable as gold, it was taken away again... but the words written on them with spiritual value is freely given to the whole world

I never realized the amount of physical labor and unique talents that were required to make the actual plates and then to also carry them around. Truly the Lord was very involved in bridging the gaps of the strengths and talents of all those involved in these Holy Scriptures.

This for me shows that these Prophets had to be taught about the metals. Have the tools that they did have, had to be carried around. Along with the metal needed to make the plates. As well as the plates. These men were physically strong, and very spiritually strong to continue the physical and spiritual work of these plates. So much more respect.

Cool video, very interesting

Amazing. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.

I had understood that the "brass plates" would have in fact been of bronze: "brass" in the KJV refers to what we now call bronze, and that was a very common alloy at the time. The Spanish translation of the Book of Mormon uses the word "bronce." I spent a summer working in a room adjacent to a goldsmith's shop. Every once in a while I heard him curse after making a mistake.

He was my bishop many years ago. I haven't seen him in years so it was crazy to see him in the thumbnail.

@NuclearSpinach

3 жыл бұрын

Hah -- hey Jordan, this is Taylor. I just made a similar comment. How's it going

Awesome thank you for this video

Brian Patch was my freshman year bishop!

Awesome! Thx!! 😊💕

Thank you

Fascinating!!!

Somebody commission this guy to make a full replica!

Love this ! Very interesting point of view! We are so lucky to have to words written on the plates that are the most important to us in these days thank you Brothers for sharing this with us. I'm so grateful for your come follow me lessons.♥️

Wow fascinating!!!

An amazing study of how much work it took to make the plates. The Lord uses anyone who is willing, and Nephi was certainly willing to do whatever the Lord required of him. To make another set of small plates would have been a huge task. He dedicated a lot of time to learning how to make the plates and then to engrave them. And it wasn’t only Nephi. We are so blessed to have the Book of Mormon on our cellphones! We have no excuse not to read and study this “marvelous work and wonder!”

Awesome stuff

how long would it have taken to make a single plate and how long to make the total combined amount?

Wonderful!

How am I just now finding this. thank you so much

Excellent.... Mosiah 21:27 Jaredite plates made of ore.

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!

have you seen the copper plates the church has. they ate tarnished but the plates are realy smooth, they vary only slightly overall thichnes

Loved this as it brings some of the possible workings of the ancients. I was interested in what you might think of the concept of 'rolled gold'. Some have suggested that the only method of fabricating plates would have 'only' been by hammering to mold the metal. I have found reference where Joseph suggested that the plates were "rolled as the ancients used to do". I've only found this passage in one reference - is it possible they could have been rolled?

Interesting ❤️thank you

8:20 Come back, Zinc....come baccckkk!

Vocab word of the day: Tumbaga (sometimes "tumbago" in literature).

@MichaelSmith-ng9gc

2 жыл бұрын

So your not a proponent of the heartland model?

I remember reading that someone who saw the plate indicated that they had a greenish hue to them which indicates copper oxidation. So they certainly had some copper content.

How would they shape that material?

@Nerukenshi1233

3 жыл бұрын

With a hammer, endurance and patience. Maybe a roller like those found in Mesoamerica.

They were brass plates.

@biglebowskee

3 жыл бұрын

Laban's plates were brass.

By the way, heating the metal then quenching it would have only been done when the final hardening took place. To anneal it, you heat it up to red hot then put it into something like pearlite or vermiculite to allow it to cool slowly. This is what softens it. I am surprised he didn't know this.

@brianpatch1655

3 жыл бұрын

Your description of annealing is correct for ferrous metals, like steel, but gold alloys are annealed by quenching.

@urflofit2010

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianpatch1655 Oh OK I didn't know that -thanks for responding and educating me. I really do appreciate it.

@CloudExile1

3 жыл бұрын

Look up phase diagrams. You can see that different metals and alloys respond to annealing and quenching differently

@brianpatch1655

3 жыл бұрын

@@urflofit2010 No worries, I was a goldsmith for many years before I learned that ferrous metals annealed differently! Thanks for watching the video!

@urflofit2010

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianpatch1655 And I have a forge in my backyard and have worked with steel. But never gold. Life is surprising. Thanks for the education.

7:40 he talks that the plates were made by different people and had different percentages of metals. But Joseph Smith, as I understand, received the book that was made by two men only - by Mormon and Morony. So, why do we need to think about the original Nephi plates?..

Wow, I am more confused about the plates than ever! So at 3:40 he states gold plates in the said dimensions would weigh approx. 200lbs but with a mixture of gold and copper called “tumbaga” the plates only weigh 40-60lbs? Nope.

@tokouatonga7914

4 ай бұрын

If the plates were made out of pure gold it would weigh approximately 200lbs What he said was that it was not made of pure gold, it was a mixture of gold, silver, copper, etc… that’s why it was lighter… also easier to engrave upon

His voice is similar to Jordan Peterson's.

Wouldn't the plates that Joseph translated from all be made by Mormon and later Moroni as they compiled the record. It seems to me that the plates of Nephi and others are still at some save and unknown location.

@lexiconikan3219

3 жыл бұрын

The vast majority of it, yes. However, the part that we refer to as the small plates of Nephi, comprising 1st Nephi through Omni, is the actual small plates made by Nephi and kept by Jacob and his descendants. Mormon, near the end of making his abridge from the large plates of Nephi (the Book of Lehi/116 pages and Mosiah through Mormon chapter 7), found Nephi's small plates and decided to attach them to his record (see Words of Mormon verses 3-6).

It's hilarious, the extent that you'll go to try to explain the b s of joseph smith

I am with Bishop Brian Patch that it was not pure gold. Joseph could not even run or carry that much weight when escaping the thugs or criminals. Any journal entry from Joseph or the witnesses could testify the weight (assumption).

MORONI BALONI!!!

How were the book of mormon gold plates made? Better question is where are they? Kinda self serving that we can`t see them.

@elipayne5343

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine what would have happened if he showed them to EVERYONE. He was already being chased by people only because of rumors. People would have done anything for gold so it makes sense why he needed to hide them.

@MrYort13

3 жыл бұрын

@@elipayne5343 Maybe he could have gotten the Lords birth place right with the extra money.

@juliopenaloza5655

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrYort13 he translated it. It wasnt about him "getting it right". Bethlehem is in "the land of jerusalem".

@MrYort13

2 жыл бұрын

@@juliopenaloza5655 So you clam that getting it right isn`t the point? And missing a major point by 40 miles is good enough? WOW is all I can say. Are you a child?

@juliopenaloza5655

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrYort13 making it up would require him to "get it right". But if he's just translating, then its not about getting it right, as he's just translating. Bethlehem is only 5 or 6 miles outside Jerusalem, not 40. Bethlehem is in the land of Jerusalem.

Just his opinion just remember