It's crazy to think that Verstappen has converted more Leclerc poles to Verstappen win then Leclerc himself.

@jellevanalthuis5289

7 ай бұрын

i dont know man, i mean, leclerc probably also converted some leclerc poles into verstappen wins ;P

@sudazima

7 ай бұрын

verstappens pole to win ratio is more than leclerc ratio CLEAR of the 2nd best ever.

@Marnos_1961

7 ай бұрын

@@sudazima 🤡🤡🤡

@ShawnFX

7 ай бұрын

@@jellevanalthuis5289 😂😂

@greenfj1466

7 ай бұрын

​@@sudazimaBecause max barely ever got poles when he didnt have the fastest car unlike leclerc,max got his first pole in 2019 whereas leclerc got 7 that year

It's so interesting. I remember in 2019 people were saying Ferrari was a better plakce to be than RB and that Leclerc would end up being the driver of the next era..not Verstappen. And I was kinda inclined to agree. Honda was planning to leave and Ferrari is an established brand in F1. It's so insane that Verstappen might end up being #3 all time on the wins list as early as next March whilst Leclerc isn't yet in double digit wins

@Robalexe

7 ай бұрын

Verstappen could reach #3 most wins as early as the end of this month actually

@Kushagra.j

7 ай бұрын

​@@FrancisFjordCupolathey're the same age but max made his debut 3 years earlier. Even if we say 2015 was premature he undoubtedly would've still been in a seat for 2016. This should tell you a lot.

@greenfj1466

7 ай бұрын

​@@FrancisFjordCupolaThe same could be said about leclercs f2 bahrain sprint,leclerc is in the same league just needs a proper environment to nurture instead of being with those clowns at ferrari.

@a7G-82r

7 ай бұрын

He can be there as early as this november lol

@a7G-82r

7 ай бұрын

@@greenfj1466 if that environment you refer to is f2, then yes it makes sense that he could dominate in the same way as verstappen does in f1.

This is so reflective of their Karting Careers as well. Leclerc used to have these blistering karting races where no one could touch him, but then he’d also have massive stinkers and be nowhere. Verstappen on the other hand was deathly consistent and was always near the top even if he didn’t win (though he often did win almost everything). I see a lot of parallels.

Honestly crazy how much F1 has changed in the last years, not only car wise but driver wise as well.

@andretorben9995

7 ай бұрын

They have managed to go from bad to worse.

@DaveMcIroy

7 ай бұрын

Not really. So many names stayed.

Feel so bad for LEC, his career is being destroyed by Ferrari

@p0t4toePotato

7 ай бұрын

not the first victim of the reds

@JohanBuilds

7 ай бұрын

Exactly!! It’s soo sad! I was so hopeful for LEC as I saw him as walking in MSC footsteps at Ferrari. And then Ferrari didn’t disappoint in screwing that up.

@siloPIRATE

7 ай бұрын

Ferrari is where drivers’ careers go to die

@EntropicExergy

7 ай бұрын

Stockholm syndrome is a biatch.

@mark5071

7 ай бұрын

Still has more wins than Russell, Lando, Albon, Sainz, Ocon, Gasly. Ferrari is definitely subpar in several departments, but to say that they're destroying his career is nonsense. There are only so many top seats available.

I think, Leclerc is a really curious driver. Yes, he has crashed perharps more often than other drivers, but for some time it was absolutely legit to believe, that him and Max would be a Senna/Prost rivalry. - He came into Seb's team in 2019 and turned it into his own within one year. He should have won four races in a row (at Singapore and Russia he was clearly the faster driver than Seb). - In 2020 he had some stellar performances in an absolute dog of a car. - In 2021 he got beaten by Sainz on points, but still had some amazing performances (ok, granted, mostly in qualifying). - In 2022 he started the season absolutely equal with Max. I mean, the way he fought Max in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia really seemed like a fight of two all-time-greats. But I think, at two points that season his faith in the team eroded so much, that I am not sure if it isn't beyond repair: In Monaco the team should have informed him, that other drivers (f.e. Sainz) are sitting out the intermediate tires and will be changing to slicks. After he had track position behind Sainz it was basically clear, that at least Sainz would be ahead of him, because as soon as the track was dry enough for slicks, they had to double-stack. And then Silverstone: He was clearly faster than Sainz all weekend, Sainz got his pole because of a yellow (or red?) flag in qualifying. Leclerc should have been let past Sainz much earlier (he was clearly faster), if he would have been further ahead, it would have been easier to change his tires, so that he would be still in front. After that.....to be honest, I don't remember really seeing him fight for the win, and his whole driving in the race just feels a bit tense to me. I think, in the right environment, he absolutely would have the potential to challenge Max for titles, but I don't know, if he can find that at Ferrari. If he ends up without a title at the end of his career, he would be in my opinion one of the great "what if"s in F1-history.....

@Robalexe

7 ай бұрын

"I don't remember really seeing him fight for the win", except the very next race afterwards which he literally won

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

Crash more often than average driver? What the ***** are you talking about? He rarely crashes..... bonehead. Lewis crashs more often, Hulkenberg, Sainz, Perez, Norris, Russell, literally everyone. Even Max.

@greenfj1466

7 ай бұрын

​@@Robalexeye he was fighting for the win in france and hungary aswell,he messed up in france but cmon that was his first title fight ever and to make it worse its for ferrari so it should be pardoned and then ferrari screwed him in hungary with one of the most braindead strategies ever.After the upgrades in suzuka which made the car more consistent(Yet still suits Sainz more)leclerc has been absolutely crushing sainz and has been ahead at every situation where his team has not screwed him(which is Austin)And this is the upgrade leclerc has been asking for the ENTIRE season

@matyi-ef2yl

7 ай бұрын

@@RobalexeOh yeah, damn, you're right. Thanks =)

@marco3943

7 ай бұрын

I agree with most of your points but with all due respect, didn't Seb show that he was the quicker driver in terms of race pace in Singapore & Sochi? In Singapore, Seb had that amazing outlap that just gave him the smallest of margin to overtake Charles. I'm pretty sure Ferrari didn't expect that since they pitted Seb, the driver behind, first. Charles also had 2 chances from the 2 safety cars I think? To try and overtake Seb but wasn't able to. Seb also kept on banging one fastest lap after another in Sochi whilst leading the GP after he took advantage of the slipstream Charles gave him. Seb even sort of dared Charles on the radio to close the gap if he really wanted the position back. I'm not hating on Charles btw, he's my favorite driver on the grid currently. I just think it's a bit unfair to make it look like Seb was demolished by Charles in 2019, when Seb technically beat Charles H2H in overall race results whenever both of them finish the race. Seb also had more mechanical related retirements than Charles that season, such as Sochi and COTA. Sorry for the rant but yeah I disagree with your opinion that Charles should've won 4 races in a row in 2019.

charles is like danny ric. They had a small window and theyre only going to be 10x race winners at best.

Here’s my take. I feel since the 2021 season , Max as an all round team lead driver has improved massively and there’s no question about it. I believe Leclerc is the fastest driver on track over a single lap on pure pace. But he lacks that maturity and reduction of mistakes which I believe is the greatest improvement Max has made. He’s basically been flawless this season when the car has been there for him and even when it’s not , like Austin. At just 25 , he’s being compared to the likes of Hamilton and Alonso. Drivers who contribute so much more to a team and the car’s development than just the race day. I just miss that in Charles. He’s in his 5h season with Ferrari and it still feels like Sainz is his equal if sometimes not favoured.I think ever since 2021 , we’ve seen a different Max. Him holding off Lewis and going toe to toe really have Red bull a legit superstar of their own. Alonso and Lewis are drivers with 20 years of F1 experience and Max being compared to them shows how much he’s improved. Maybe I unpleasant at times but what I see in Max is that hunger , that greed that if Red Bull is having a winning car , he should be the driver winning , he should be favoured , he should get the points. I don’t doubt Leclerc on the track , what I doubt are his leadership skills , he’s ability to be tough and his trust in himself and Ferrari. He just feels naive to me at times. He needs to build that team around himself

@jaguatiricaimediata5305

7 ай бұрын

Leclerc being faster on single lap pace is a myth. Ferrari is usually much better at bringing tyre to temperature, which is the best trait for qualis. That trait is also directly connected to why he loses these poles, higher degradation. Just see during their karting times who got more quali pace and you'll see that Max was ahead most of the time.

@o77vh87

7 ай бұрын

@@jaguatiricaimediata5305 You know looking back at karting statistics for current driver skill is a VERY far reach. If you want to see who has better quali pace, look at who has more poles when the car isn't performing; and if we are looking at that regard guess who wins. Leclerc.

@edk1124

7 ай бұрын

​@@o77vh87disagree. I think race pace is more important because there is no points awarded for qualifying.

@a7G-82r

7 ай бұрын

leclerc being the fastest driver on one lap pace is just bogus. He cannot even outqualify his teammate all of the time, which should be requirement number 1 for that title. For all we know albon or verstappen are the quickest, because even if their teammates are garbage, at least they are always ahead of them in quali.

@jaguatiricaimediata5305

7 ай бұрын

I think you don't understand that quali performance and race performance can be extremely different, and that because of the parc fermé rule you can't setup your car for both. Ferrari has a very powerful and quick car in their hands, but which is chewing their tyres and overheating their brakes (precisely because they are "faster" than they should, they even had to lift and coast during a fking sprint race yesterday due to brake temps). Red Bull and Mercedes are being much more careful and they know that a few places isn't worth ending the race having to save your tyres and brakes. Ferrari is totally missing the point (so hard that they "expected" Hamilton to be slower in Mexico on mediums, and that NEVER happened). Knowing that they have this tremendous issue of race durability, they try their best at setting the car up for quali. Which is why Max and Hamilton aren't really concerned when they see a Ferrari ahead of them in quali, they know it's their last resort. In sum, although they are doing horrible in race durability, having a car that can actually put the tyres and brakes in the temperatura window so fast makes Ferrari outperform their "race trim" in quali. That is making Leclerc look like he is better than Max and Hamilton on quali, but that is simply not true at all. @@o77vh87

Very good and informative video. But (IMHO) you didn't mention the fact (or I missed it) that Red Bull (most of the time) tends to offer up (a little bit) of qualifying speed to set up the car for the "perfect" sunday. After all, that's when the points can be won...!!!

@benbennemans

7 ай бұрын

And if Max needs to win a quali, like in Monaco, he does a legendary sector 3. Max is blistering quick if he needs to.

@jakem5039

7 ай бұрын

@@benbennemans With Max, we only see his blistering speed when he needs to show it. Pushing at 110% Max can still crash, like Jeddah 2021 quali, but he is only pushing at 110% when there is no other option. The amount of banker laps he takes versus Leclerc in qualifying is I think indicative that Max knows, so long as he is in the top 3 he knows he can still fight for a win, but if he bins it going for top 1, the weekend is over. Leclerc, I just don't think he has that in his locker yet - the ability to go 90% to secure a chance at a win, rather than go 110% to get a chance at a pole. I mean, Leclerc has had multiple poles where he didn't start P1 because he damaged the car in quali. That's not good even if it makes people say he's fast.

Crazy to think Verstappen has 10x as many wins as Leclerc. (53 vs 5)

@mavadelo

7 ай бұрын

I believe 40 of them in the last 3 years. 40... that is Hamilton level of epicness (Yes, I am a Max fan and yes, I have no issues at all acknowledging the achievements and level of Lewis. If people can't see that these two ae both among the GOATs, they don't understand F1 and/or racing)

To be frank, if we are talking about one lap pace, maybe Charles was fractionally better, but overall in race pace on Sundays Max is far ahead. Also, the cars and teams make a huge difference. If we are comparing from 2019 onwards, no one could have imagined RedBull will have a car like what they have with a Honda engine (especially after the McLaren - Honda horror show) and Ferrari on the other hand just fell off after the secret investigation/settlement in 2019.

@wavedre5840

7 ай бұрын

Yk chares race pace advantage over his teammates is better than his quali advantage right? Also he's not fractionally better he's quiet clear I'm quali pace but max is still better I'm the race but not nearly as far as you think

@elijuvan4131

7 ай бұрын

@@wavedre5840 “quite clear” despite never driving the same car and him and Sainz being pretty close on qualy pace over the season?

@shakmarriott4820

7 ай бұрын

@@elijuvan4131in a car Leclerc doesn’t like what has happened since Japan he killed sainz since the upgrades

@DaveCompton5150

7 ай бұрын

The Ferraris eat tires faster than I can eat tic tacs 😂

@o77vh87

7 ай бұрын

@@elijuvan4131 Same logic would apply to Max too. Max was in the same car as Checo, but yet early last year and early this year, when the car tends to be more understeery Checo was absolutely on Max. Sainz is also clearly a much better driver than Checo. So, it is obvious even the best drivers can lose to their teammates when in equal machinery; and that is perfectly fine it doesn't take away from their greatness as long as it is just the car not suiting them as much as the other driver.

Leclerc is very good but even though Verstappen might have had "better luck", I still think Max was a step above Leclerc.

@swoosh26

7 ай бұрын

Me too

@Le_equitabliste

7 ай бұрын

Do you think verstappen would bé winning chamionships in that dog of a Ferrari?

@mignik01

7 ай бұрын

When it comes to speed, tyre management, wheel to wheel racing, he's up there with max. He's not in a good head space now.

@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168

7 ай бұрын

​@@Le_equitabliste do you think Charles would be winning against Max in equal cars, seeing how he has bottled races?

@orio_3

7 ай бұрын

You would say the same if career paths were reversed, that's how f1 works, the best look unbeatable when given the chance.

Leclerc is so talented the only thing holding him back is his team and the car. Lets hope he can fulfill his potential!

for the people that complain about him not having many wins: 2019 - started on pole in Bahrain and was looking very good to win the race until his engine lost loads of power, started on pole in Russia and VSC fucked him a bit, started on pole in Singapore and Ferrari kinda gave it to Seb 2022 - pole in Spain that was looking like a good win even before Max mistake but DNF’d, Monaco (no comments), Silverstone was looking like a win until his team threw him under the bus, Hungary again very high chance of winning taken away by Ferrari (Max and Russell after the race both said Charles had very strong pace on mediums) i know F1 is all about what actually happens but you just can’t ignore the facts of what could’ve happened without his bad luck (yes he made mistakes himself such as France which costed him a possible win) but in no way he’s a bad driver or overrated as many say

@willthrill901

7 ай бұрын

Could have, should have, would have....applies to every racer. Sucks for him, but is what it is. Cheers

@tonyroberts7481

7 ай бұрын

Excuses mate. Nothing but excuses. 18% conversion rate is about Charles and not about outside factors. 😂

@cmonc1984

7 ай бұрын

@@tonyroberts7481 I think a great deal is about the Ferrari being a better qualifying car than a race car, which compliments Leclerc's qualifying ability and gave him many poles, but in the race, the car just doesn't have the pace most of the time. The Red Bull is more a race car than a qualifying car, but with Max behind the wheel it's still the superior car overall the last seasons. Only occasionally Leclerc can get a pole, but in the race he simply has no chance against Max and the Red Bull. All those factors combined it's understandable Leclerc has a lot more poles than victories, and Verstappen has more victories than poles. So I think his bad conversion rate is due to him being an excellent qualifier rather than a bad racer when it comes to the driver part.

@nsp6590

7 ай бұрын

​@@tonyroberts7481No outside factors. It's just clear you are yet to understand that F1 is a team sport. You may see one man drive the car but there are 50 more in the garage and another 300 in the factory. Doesn't take a genius to understand that responsibility lies with everyone, some more some less.

@Robalexe

7 ай бұрын

Hungary 2022 wasn't a Leclerc pole. You could've mentioned Azerbaijan (3 times) or any of his poles from this year as out of his control over getting the win

Out of all the teams, Red Bull probably demands the most of their drivers. If you're below the threshold, there's a number to your RB days. If you're above it, there's currently no better place to be. Whatever they did to Max, it changed him from a reckless daredevil to an absolute machine in just 5 years. Meanwhile, Ferrari struggles on all fronts, Mercedes might have a similar environment but lacks a competitive car, McLaren is in the process of rebuilding (but the signs are good so far), Aston Martin has dropped the ball... and the other teams aren't really top tier right now imho.

Apart from being a very hard working & genius driver..,mentally Max Verstappen is a monster..again after his win today in the sprint race in Brazil ,we witnessed his incredible race & driving mangement ,he has grown so much in terms of understanding & respecting his race engineer's & team strategies..the car is amazing but he still can suffer mishaps (brake problems in the USA & set-up 'mistakes in the previous race)..and speaking about Leclerc..imagine that ,to this day , ,there is now 3 World Champion titles separating them..they're not 'playing' in the same league anymore...

@EntropicExergy

7 ай бұрын

Raising the ride height at COTA was not a set-up mistake, it was an insurance policy. If they had not, Max might have been DSQ'ed like Hamilton and Leclerc. With Max, one has such flexibility since he will bring home the result.

max prior to 2020 was a good driver. max after 2020 the best driver f1 has seen.

@MajieB

7 ай бұрын

2018 after the crash in Monaco changed him and hes constantly evolved since then and the scary thing is, a lot of people/drivers think he has not even hit his prime yet.

@Kushagra.j

7 ай бұрын

​@@MajieBmost f1 greats hit their peak in late twenties & early thirties. By this logic he's not even close. His peak may be around 2027/2028 when he'll be 30/31

@ShawnFX

7 ай бұрын

@@Kushagra.j which is the time period that he keeps mentioning when he will retire, I just want him to get 8 WDCs. So hopefully the competition get better so Max can stay longer

I genuinely believe that the vast majority of Leclerc’s crashes can be attributed to the fact that he can’t place his complete trust in the team to make the right decisions, hence why he pushes beyond the limit of his machinery.

@Lanse1984

7 ай бұрын

No. It's the fact that he drives at 100%, and Max drives at 95%, which allows him to drive predictably instead of reactively.

@sanguinor5609

7 ай бұрын

@@Lanse1984 The crux of my statement was that he wouldn’t need to drive at 100% if his team had the competency to ensure he wouldn’t have to.

Max is on a different planet not just with Charles but with everyone else. Max is literally the hardest working driver… ever. If he’s not racing in F1, he’s racing somewhere in top-tier online sim racing league. The amount of hours of racing experience Max has is ridiculous… probably at least 5-10 times more than Charles. With that kind of raw talent + inhuman amount of practice, it’s literally impossible for anyone to come close to Max. And it shows on track too, if you know where and what to look. (Hint: m want to know which driver is faster? don’t look at how fast they can go, look at how fast they can stop) You might not see it now but it will become clearer as years go by that we won’t see another driver at the same level as Max in our lifetime. I’m confident my comment will aged like fine wine. Just wait and see.

Anyone can be fast, what u see at the really greats and WDC's is that the most important thing is consistency, which lacks with Leclerc.

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

BS

You're constantly talking about Leclerc's pace which is good, but he is too inconsistent. Yes he's faster than Sainz, but I think that this season is a pretty good indicator that Carlos is able to beat Leclerc by just being consistent.

@mariano1428

7 ай бұрын

I think that in this type of complicated car they are "similar" drivers but Leclerc is still better. Leclerc generally speaking beats Sainz, but Sainz is always super close when the pair of them finish the race. And then, just like in 2021 whenever something happens to Leclerc, Sainz lands a podium or gets a mega result (I think that in 2021 for example in the races where Leclerc DNF´d Sainz got like 50 points or something stupid like that, which in the end makes you think "Oh, Sainz beat Leclerc" but in reality is just good luck or opportunism for Sainz and bad luck for Leclerc)

@TheWarlord9883

7 ай бұрын

@@mariano1428 They remind me of the Hamilton-Button pairing in 2010 and 2011 alot.

@PetruStefan25

7 ай бұрын

It's not because Charles is inconsistent, if you would have watched the races this year you would've know that even with a car that is not suiting on his driving style he still was faster and more consistent and is having a better H2H and that would've been much much better for him only if Ferrari wouldn't have ruined him. Charles this season would have been probably ahead of Lewis without all those stupid errors and failures from Ferrari.

@marcoslugo6132

7 ай бұрын

Not as clear cut as it may seem. The car's make-up is closer to Carlos' preference which affects their relative performance and Charles has had enough bad luck this year to almost make him cry yesteday...

@nikolaybonapartov7379

7 ай бұрын

Leclerc literally had 4 technical DNFs, while SAI only had 1.

In 2019, it’s still debatable whether Max or Charles are the better drivers. For me, Max has taken the next step in 2020. He’s rarely made mistakes since then. He’s fighting against the dominant Mercedes, and the podium usually ends with HAM-BOT-VER. He’s there to capitalise if the Merc are having an off day. You could always tell back then that eventually he would win the championship when given the right car. Unfortunately, I am not really convinced that Charles will be a future champion.

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

Leclerc took a bigger step in 2020, friend..... he had a soapbox and dragged it to places it doesn't belong, including a second and third place finish. A totally underrated season for Charles. The legendary Vettel was nowhere. Max had a much better car. Never seen Max do anything like that as he always has had great cars.

@rey_pato

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@FiremarioflowerYour memory is not very good, friend. Max has only had “great” cars since 2021. Leclerc is definitely capable of more in the right environment, but let’s not diminish Max’s performances just to argue a point.

@homfan

7 ай бұрын

Charles had a better car in 2019 but he couldn’t beat Max still over a season.

@watersnortmoment3734

7 ай бұрын

It’s only debatable if you didn’t look at their karting careers too

@a7G-82r

7 ай бұрын

@@Firemarioflower leclerc had a shite 2020. Yes he beat vettel significantly, but he was also DNF'ing other cars left right and centre.

Since the day Max said he might retire at the end of his contract (2028) I've seen that as nothing but confidence in himself, confident that he will ultimately win 8 in a row and become the statistic "GOAT" of F1. Whether I am reading into it too much and he was just saying it in the moment, I still believe it was his way of setting himself that target to hit by the time his current contract is up 🙌🏻

@patepulkkinenvtec2403

7 ай бұрын

Lol, stats are interesting but completely overrated. Also, Max doesn't care about records so I don't buy your idea.

Watching Max and Charles over years, a few things become evident. 1. They are the best qualifiers on the grid, they consistently beat their teammates and are the best at finding the extra pace needed on final runs. To me overall pace is pretty equal, it comes down to who can get tires in the better window. I would take Max though in qualifying, Charles may have a tiny bit more speed, but he also makes more mistakes, like Miami earlier this year for example. 2. Max has a better killer instinct, while making less mistakes in race trim. Charles is good in race trim, but his overall pace, and tire management is a step behind Max. It’s elite, but not as good as Max. Charles also makes a few more mistakes in the race, where ever since the first part of 2018, Max has been an absolute machine. Imola and France last year are good examples of this. If Charles want to be on Max’s level, he needs to find another level in race trim, and cut out the mistakes that cost him. He may also need to leave Ferrari as they don’t help him whatsoever

@Robalexe

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, Max showed in Monaco this year that he is a spectacular qualifier too. He's like Schumacher in that sense, not many people think of them as some of the best qualifiers ever (their number of wins vs poles also plays a part), but whenever it matters the most they almost always deliver in quali.

@MimMdance

7 ай бұрын

Mistakes... Miami was like race 4. A driver can´t have a mistake per season?

@EntropicExergy

7 ай бұрын

@@MimMdance Not against Max who is essentially flawless, fixing the slight mistake he might make himself on track.

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

LOL Max is subpar in qualifying. He took years before getting a first pole. Leclerc needed a second GP in Ferrari, BOOM. He was there. Max has often lost qualifyings and wasted chances to become the youngest. Very often he loses pole to drivers in slower cars, especially to Charles.

@edk1124

7 ай бұрын

​@@FiremarioflowerMax was subpar, but not really anymore. He is not a good as Leclerc in terms of pace but he is better than Leclerc in terms of not making mistakes.

3:05 stats show that the RB19 is vastly inferior to W05-07 and W-11

I know it may sound harsh, but my impression is that Charles doesn't have the mental strength necessary to become champion over a whole season. Pressure and setbacks always seem to negatively affect Leclerc so much, whereas Verstappen on the other hand seems to thrive on challenges. Of course, the Ferrari team doesn't make it easy for Charles, but setbacks will happen at any team, even Red Bull. Max has had setbacks, like messed up quali's, but they always seem to make him even more determined, while Charles sometimes just seems to give up. I honestly think this is one of the biggest differences between those two.

I really enjoy the presentation of your videos. Well delivered. Of course I don’t always agree with you but you present in such a way that it always makes me think.

I don’t like Horner but he’s the type of person Charles needs as a team principal, someone who supports him and ofc better car and strategies

I get more enjoyment watching Charles than any other driver. His speed and race craft and joy are up with anyone. Max is clearly a great. The matter that mucks up racing today are the tyres with RB having phenomenal performance in Max’s hands and all the other cars trying for their best finishing position knowing it ain’t going to be first. Why use my tyres up? Change the tyre situation and the racing might improve.

I would argue there is a lost generation, Daniel Riciardo, Sergio Perez, Nico Hulkenburg, a kind of middle ground who never quite made it. Sainz could almost be in this group.

@patepulkkinenvtec2403

7 ай бұрын

All because of Mercedes dominance and only two drivers at a time having a chance at winning the title for years. It looks like we are in another one of those eras at the moment, but this time there is just one who wins everything...

Don't get me wrong Leclerc is a great driver, but his quali pace is overrated... In his years at Ferarri the car has always been much better in quali than in the race and the RB is basically the exact opposite. Thanks to that he has had the best quali car for most of the races in the ground effect era (especially since Max always sets his car up for race pace). He's done well in taking quite a lot of pole positions, but the gap between him and Sainz is often actually not that big. Before the summer break it was actually the lowest average gap between teammates in quali on the grid, while the gap between Max and Perez was the 3rd largest (behind Haas and obv Williams). In 2019 Leclerc was very good, but Vettel was already over the hill imo. Thanks to the cheat engine (undeniable if you look at their pace in 2020) Leclerc got 7 poles that year and 2 wins. Overall a very good driver, but not the one lap god some people try to make him out to be and in general makes too many mistakes and doesn't stand up for himself against the ferarri incompentence like many drivers (and especially Max) would...

A sports analogy for these two might be Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson during their peak in the 2000s. Their current F1 careers are to a degree reminiscent of their karting careers. In the international karting arena both Max and Charles were several steps ahead of the competition, but when facing eachother directly, Max more often than not, had the upper hand.

@lordbogus6709

7 ай бұрын

Tiger Woods is the Schumacher of Golf, he reinvented the game and made old courses obselete. While Phil is very good there is absolutely no debate in who is better. The great thing in Golf that there is very little difference in the gear of 2 golfers. Phil has won about half on the PGA tour compared to Woods. Woods whitewashes Phil in championship wins, 14 to 4 Charles is definitly 95% on Max's level. If they have equal machinery like in the beginning part of 2022 you can see the strong head to head battles, Max was a bity up but not massively like now although Lewis and Max are much closer.

@n8pls543

7 ай бұрын

@@lordbogus6709 The trouble is that 95% of an 80 second lap would mean Leclerc would be four seconds slower.

One had the expertise of Adrian Newey, the other had Ferrari. Do the math.

@RhiannonT01

7 ай бұрын

facts

@EntropicExergy

7 ай бұрын

One kills it in the wet, the other doesn't. That tells you exactly what you need to know. In wet/low grip conditions, the car doesn't matter anymore, it's purely driver skill. Max is vastly more skilled than Leclerc is. Him curbstomping Leclerc back in karting shows that pretty obviously.

2022, Verstappen really went on another level. He stopped crashing, and he was able to get thru the field with no damage. Meanwhile, Leclerc still kept on having mishaps. You can tell by 2023, Leclerc has lost much of his fire, too sick and tired of his team to demand more from them. Meanwhile Verstappen, despite already bagging the championship, will be quick to point out anything that RB isn't doing well enough.

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

He's not sick and tired of his team, otherwise he wouldn't have signed or support them in the media. He's an honest man. I'm surprised he lasts with those clowns.

@DonLee1980

7 ай бұрын

@@Firemarioflower lol... ah right, he LOVES his team. That's why he extended his contract and not for the 200 million euros. What's the alternative? join Alpine? Notice how he crashed yesterday and didn't even bother to scream anymore.

@edyslavico3761

7 ай бұрын

@@DonLee1980 he did scream tho... he said "why am I so fuccin unlucky?" twice

@DonLee1980

7 ай бұрын

@@edyslavico3761 compared to his scream at the French GP last year, nope.

As a long time f1 fan, I truly appreciate the quality of the drivers across the grid. The number of quality drivers is truly unprecedented, and the racemanship is unparalleled. The dice between Gasly and Alonso in the Brazilian Sprint would’ve ended in tears in many other eras of f1

@Bonaboms

7 ай бұрын

80s era was faaaaar superior

People tend to rate drivers too much based on their 1-lap pace. Being able to wring out a tenth more during a hotlap is nice, but it's hardly relevant in a race. If it was, drivers like Grosjean would have been multiple world champions. The ability to manage your tyres, strategy, racecraft and most importantly your mental game are far more important at the level of F1 since when everyone is already fast, being the fastest isn't that big of an advantage anymore, especially if your other qualities are lacking.

Here are a few things I think Max’s obviously a stronger driver. 1. When in karting days, 33 won more. 2. Their first year in F3, Max directly went to the higher level F3, and dominated. 3. 33/55 were teammates in their rookie year. 33 outscored 55 double. 4. Their wet races performance compares to their teammates. (33/14 are the kind of drivers that often pulls a 1-2 seconds gap to their teammates in wet conditions)

It’s always a good day when Aldas posts

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍

Probably controversial, but each driver’s fortune is a reflection of their capacity as drivers. Max has cleaned up, but kept his immense pace. Charles has kept his unreliability, but not risen to the expectations set upon a top 3 driver.

@aaronmatthis7824

7 ай бұрын

Explain how anyone is supposed to rise to the expectations of a top 3 driver in a team where your car is slow, blows up, is developed to suit your slower teammate, extremely inconsistent and the team constantly operationally screws you over. Let’s put Max in that shit show and see how well he performs.

@coyotewall2669

7 ай бұрын

Sebastian Vettel who is probably one of best of the best joined ferrari and won no more championships. It’s not capacity that charles lacks, its his team, just like Vettel.

@realistic_delinquent

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@aaronmatthis7824 A top 3 driver outperforms his equipment. Max, Lewis, Fernando, and arguably Lando do this regularly. Ferrari have had either the second, third, or fourth best car at various points this season, and Charles has not once exceeded the finishing position expected on that account. The car is not slow. It takes front rows and podiums with both drivers. Charles simply lacks race-craft, pace, smoothness, or a combination thereof. Reliability and strategy are issues for any Ferrari driver. A generational talent overcomes bad strategy, and more-so imposes his own. The car is not developed for Carlos. It’s developed not to compromise. If Charles is unable to adapt or extract Carlos’ race pace from a brilliant car with character, he’s probably just a worse racer than Carlos. Further accrediting this is the fact that Charles is faster than Carlos outright. Ferrari themselves complain about Charles’ indifference toward tire care. Ferrari are deeply invested in Charles’ success. To the eye of most fans without relevant bias they favour him. It is only to someone who deeply favours Charles, that Ferraris efforts to do the same are insufficient. It’s like watching hockey or football and calling every penalty awarded to your own side “bad call/blind ref/rigged”. Put Max in that scenario and you get a scenario identical to the one at Aston Martin this year. A man with less support and more talent perpetually amusing his garage and infuriating his team.

@benbennemans

7 ай бұрын

@@barcafan94 I actually think realistic_delinquent makes some good points. Let me put it to you differently. From 2016 onward, Max in a RB had plenty of seasons, an inferior car to Merc and sometimes even Ferrari. Despite that, name me 1 season in which Max did not win at least 1 race. On the flip side, this is easy to do when it comes to Leclerc. I can name multiple seasons.

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

@@realistic_delinquent Leclerc outperformed his car in 2020 you nutcase!!!! Look what he did with that soapbox!!! ON RACE DAY!!!

Sai is a perfert measure between Lec and Ver. Lec is now points behind Sai yet, reflecting his instability, while Sai grabbed possibly the only shot of that Singapore win. I've no doubt that if you put Sai in Per's position, he would be confirmed to be a second driver, let alone he was beaten hard by the rookie Max.

In my opinion, difference between them is that Max is more mentally resillient, persistent and determined, also possess strong character, while Charles lacks those quality's in sufficient amount to challenge Max. They are both very quick drivers, although Max seems bit more precise, but biggest difference is that Max can whitstand pressure and concentrate for far too longer, and fighting for F1 title is probably biggest pressure there is in the sports, cause among many important aspects, they also risk their lives to be No.1 which can't be said for many other sports. I don't believe Max would tolerate Ferraris shenanigans for even one season, and would probably force them to make changes to improve team, while on the other hand Charles is accepting teams dubious decisions. It was clear that Sainz with different opinions about certain races, achieved success by doing what he thought would be smarter instead of listening to the team orders.

Leclerc never gives it the extra push in a race. Where Max was in 2020 always trying to catch the mercs and doing overtakes to get to the podium Leclerc often is not totally on it.

@NewscasterNews4

7 ай бұрын

Not totally on it? Do you see how quickly his car eats up tires consistently every week?? Max was always able to push because Red Bull were light years ahead in that aspect

@dco1019

7 ай бұрын

​@@NewscasterNews4what he means is that when max wasn't winning he battled and fought and clawed and was the most talked about spectacular and controversial driver on the grid. This man been harassing Ferraris and mercs from the moment he started at RB ....but Leclercs fire is only there when he can win.. it's really different.

@NewscasterNews4

7 ай бұрын

@@dco1019 because even when the RB was a midfield car it could still win on its day 3-4 times a year and bag consistent podiums. Ferrari have had the 3rd-5th fastest car pretty consistently every year outside of 2022, so it’s a miracle Leclerc’s even been able to put it on pole as much as he has let alone put any pressure on Red Bull

@dco1019

7 ай бұрын

@@NewscasterNews4 im not even talking about wins or podiums in that era of red bull... Often it was racing for a 4th of 5th position but his mentality was just relentless, almost no limit to waht he tried to overtake..or getting ahead with an undercut or good start and delivering a brutal defence like everything was on the line... Max pretty much shook up the sport in that time.. multiple rule changes, wide spread discussion... Certain agressive moves being more accepted again. This is not leclerc... Only when he drives for the win but even so I think it's better if that "fire" is burning all the time cause then you can use it better.

Sainz may not be as quick on 1 lap as leclerc, but the race isn't won in 1 lap and sainz has shown hes incredibly adept at managing his races. The Singapore battle in the final laps he could've tried to pull away from Lando, he had multiple opportunities to do so but he purposely held back to keep Lando as a barrier to the mercs. Leclerc is good but I don't think he would've handled that situation as well as sainz did. Incredible qualifying pace is great to have but its not everything.

@RhiannonT01

7 ай бұрын

Fully agree with this.

@furkanalbayrak5129

7 ай бұрын

Why does ppl act like Leclerc is only a one lap driver. He has comfortably outperformed Sainz in races most of the times.

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

Spain 2021 Faster than Checo, 4th place Silverstone 2021 Trashed Bottas nearly beat Lewis with engine gremlins in his subtop Ferrari Austria 2020 Finish second in the soapbox, overtaking Lando in a vastly quicker McLaren Silverstone 2020 Third in that soapbox. Spain 2022 DOMINATED till engine blew Monza 2019 Defeats Hamilton after defeating him again in Spa 2023. Where was Sainz in 2022? Austria 2023? Spa 2023? Bahrain 2023? Baku ? Leclerc was lightning quick on race day STOP LYING LECLERC HATERS

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

@@RhiannonT01 Braindead

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

@@barcafan94 He always has. Last year as well. He was also very unlucky in 2021. He could've had 3 race wins if it wasn't for Fail-a-rrari (Monza, Silverstone) or Stroll (Hungary)

Red Bull would be no where if they still had those French power units

On point as always

In the first part of 22, when they actually had comparable cars, Leclerc made two pretty completely unforced errors in Imola and France, whereas Verstappen really hasn't made consequential errors (he often still finishes on the podium if there is an error) in the last 3 years. Pretty big difference imo...

@adityadasari2214

7 ай бұрын

@@barcafan94he won both those races (though he got really lucky in Spain with leclerc engine)

@praveenkuncheria5492

7 ай бұрын

Leclerc made one mistake in France.other than that nothing major. Leclerc is surrounded by the fools of ferrari who screws his races by their smart decisions lol. If verstappen was in ferrari instead of leclerc he would have less poles than leclerc and may be 2 more wins than leclerc. Verstappen is having zero challenges in last year and half with having one of the worst second driver as teammate. He is driving an adrian newey car as well has the best strategist I'm the business.we need to see verstappen outside a newey car.then there would appear more mistakes from him.

@bengrove97

7 ай бұрын

Imola they did not have comparable cars. Leclerc was struggling to hang onto the back of Perez which is why he crashed. France was a mistake yes but he was also left out on tires that were finished

@NewscasterNews4

7 ай бұрын

Have you not seen the car Verstappen is driving this year? He can drive that car at 50% of its limit every week and still finish 10 seconds ahead of the field. Full credit to him still consistently getting the job done (unlike Perez) but of course he’s not gonna make mistakes when he never has to drive on the limit to compete like Leclerc does. As for 2021, to his credit Max didn’t make many unforced errors but had the moment with Lewis in Monza, under pressure in Saudi Arabia he was a complete disaster and he also did not have the raw pace to keep up with Lewis in Abu Dhabi (not saying he didn’t deserve the championship tho). In 2022 however you can point to Spain, Hungary, Singapore, and Brazil as clear errors on his end. If this was Leclerc we’d never hear the end about these incidents but since it’s Max everyone acts like they didn’t happen. Weird….

@maximbeekenkamp3342

7 ай бұрын

@@NewscasterNews4 as previously mentioned, Verstappen won both Spain and Hungary, and considering he was a "complete disaster" in Saudi he still finished second... (which was kind of my point) Personally I also remember Singapore and Brazil differently because by then the championship was wrapped up - Verstappen won the week after Singapore in Suzuka putting a second a lap into Charles in the rain before Charles went cut the final chicane to let Perez through (via penalty). Whereas Leclerc made the mistakes I mentioned initially whilst still in the championship fight. As for the pressure element, I do thinking the need to drive the car at its limit will yield more mistakes but my point rests on the consequences and scale of the mistakes. One of the reasons why Hamilton has been so prolific is because his mistakes are relatively inconsequential. Imola 21 Ham spins finishes second, Baku 21 Hamilton goes straight at the restart and gets 0 points but neither does Verstappen etc

This video is basically "If my Grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike."

Id love to see a comparison video between Horner and Wolff and how they handled difficult situations with drivers or car performance in points of their career.

I love how people are saying that the good quali performance by charles is because of the ferrari car being strong in quali, but then they talk about "max race pace" being super good and not because of the missile he is driving. With the same car, it would be a close fight, like we've seen at the start of 2022.

As a diehard Leclerc fan here are my considerations. -Single lap: Charles is the best on the grid (10/10), with Lewis 2nd (9.9/10), Lando 3rd (9.7/10) and Max 4th (9.5/10), but the difference is very very small as you can see in my grades. -Wheel-to-wheel,:Charles and Max are equal and no one else on the grid is as good as them in both overtaking and defending. -Race pace: here we have the real difference between the two as Max is an 11/10 and Charles is an 8.5/10 right now. He used to be in my opinion a 6.5 in 2019 and has since then improved a lot on this aspect. I think that the problem is in the attitude between the two: Charles' very weakness is his impatience and this results in overdriving which causes a higher tyre deg and mistakes when the car is slow (Carlos instead accepts the car's limits and settles for it). but, as you also said in the video, Ferrari isn't as good in the race as it isin qualifying. This has been happening since the second part of the season in 2018. -The difference is greater when it rains during the race, as Charles loses some points: he said it by himself that he needed to work on variable conditions. However in his defence I have to say that the last wet race won by Ferrari was in Malaysia in 2012 with Fernando and ever since there's been plenty of mixed conditions/wet races with wins shared between Lewis and Max. -Personality: Charles is too kind and "likeable" in pretty much everything in his life and never goes against the team, while Max is a "cunt" (no offense lol) and doesn't have any problem to tell things in a straight way. The social media numbers in favor of Charles confirm what I say. Charles however is more prone to admit his mistakes than Max and anyone else on the grid and he even blames himself when he's not at fault. -Driving style: they both want an oversteery car, but there's a significant difference: Charles maximizes corner entry (exactly like Schumacher), Max maximizes corner exit. With that being said I also want to make some considerations about Ferrari: as an Italian I believe that the team needs to be run by some anglo-saxon personalities. I'm saying this because us Mediterraneans, and ESPECIALLY Italians, are bad at organizing pretty much everything in life and this translates into a constant mess, going from the bad driving behavior on the roads to the government decisions. This happens because the mentality is short-term and individual gain oriented, with long term goals and collective advantages being thrown away. Ferrari has been witnessing some serious in-house war mongering for more than a decade and each area of the team wants to prevaricate on the other: this means that the car is ALWAYS unbalanced and not complete. Moreover, nepotism and established relationships are much more valued than merit, as it happens in the rest of the country in everything else. Sorry for the long comment, but I tried to give a much broader perspective.

in my opinion his pole to win ratio actually in many ways shows me how amazing leclerc really is. It is well known that the reace pace of the ferrari is really lacking compared to red bull and even with verstappen in clearly the best car he manages to so often snatch the pole. He even said it himself after vegas that the race pace is lacking because red bull are doing something very different with the tires that ferrari just does not understand yet, thats also why perez can do horrible in qualifying compared to max but still end up number 2 in the championship. So i think he is actually massiviley underrated and imo the only one who can truly challenge max in the future, also based on how he has stacked up against a world class driver like sainz these past few years(even with all of the strategy mistakes and reliability issues). Edit: i finished the video and glad he also brought it up

Swapped fortunes. Let's talk about Max and Danill 😭

Charles is far too passive in his approach, even if Ferrari has a terrible strategy he doesn't mention it during the race. Max is much more blunt on the radio and some people like to call him rude for that, but he mentions poor strategy and sometimes just paints his own race. By being more blunt and honest about the team's mistakes, the team can fix them sooner.

@Bonaboms

7 ай бұрын

This is i think a great point that no f1 fan seems to make Everyone praises this gen over past ones but many today (like Charles) take no action against bad strat calls or things you need to adapt to They instead act passive agressive and that makes them much worse then their potential might indicate

@mrshankly6731

7 ай бұрын

Oh absolutely. A great example of this is the 70th anniversary GP in 2020. Max sort of dictated his own race instead of listening to team orders, and beat the faster car in history on pure pace. That's something leclerc has been lacking and struggling with strategy blunders of his own team

@Bilalx1905

7 ай бұрын

you can do that at RedBull but not at Ferrari. In Ferrari there is already a lot of chaos within the team and the management. if he critisized them infront of the media he would end up like the likes of Alain Prost or Fernando Alonso (in his last year with Ferrari)

it s true.. good review!

I remember that silverstone GP like it was yesterday, lot because I’ve rewatched the highlights like a million times… But remember being so excited for a future title fight between them because that race was so epic and although max deserved his 3 titles and success it’s sad we never fully got to see them go at it in equal machinery for entire season/season… anyways great vid ones again Aldas

@benbennemans

7 ай бұрын

They were in pretty equal machinery in Karting. Guess who came out on top most of the time?

@greenfj1466

7 ай бұрын

​​@@benbennemansAnd max had an f1 driver to guide him in his karting days whereas lecerc had an f3 driver so your point?Sports is all about how much you can improve from when you were a beginner(in this case thats karting) and leclerc had improved significantly by the time he was in gp3 and when he reached f2 he was the most dominant f2 driver of all time imo.In 2019 leclerc lost to a much more experienced max purely becaus of dnfs and i can see your "illegal car" excuses coming up but the difference in experience and still leclerc was pretty much as good as him is far too impressive.Seb himself said he was biting his toungue thinking about how leclerc was so much faster than him.And then theres Max verstappen who himself says leclerc is on his level but ofc i should believe you instead of believing max verstappen the 3 times world champion who has actually raced with Charles Leclerc right?Sure max is better at the moment but the gap is not as big as you critics think but sure Im supposed to believe someone who has never had a race in his life

@isakibrahim8316

7 ай бұрын

you're stop on mate. Seb himself told charles in all his years of racing he has never seen someone as talented as leclerc. the gap in wins/championships betweeen them is largely down to situation and circumstance (not saying max isnt a worthy champion, he most definetly is) @@greenfj1466

@n8pls543

7 ай бұрын

@@greenfj1466 Nobody sensible should be arguing that Leclerc isn't better than most F1 drivers, since he was received nearly as well as Verstappen by drivers who were watching him during his rookie season. However, Charles still doesn't attract the kind of comments from former WDCs that Max does, like Jackie Steward comparing Verstappen favorably to drivers like Jim Clark.

@benbennemans

7 ай бұрын

Though I agree it is about development in sports, the logic deployed regarding F1/F3 guidance would mean that Alonso and Hamilton should have had pretty bad junior careers to get much better later on, considering the level of their dad’s? On the flip side, enough kids from former F1 drivers were not impressive in their youth or later on. Anyway, now to the real issue. I feel like you are arguing a straw man of my position. Somewhere in this comment section I have said that Leclerc is a class driver or something along those lines. I think Max, Alonso and Ham are at the top and Leclerc is in the group behind them using the metric of being able to win a championship. So if I was the owner of a team, and I had a competitive car, I would first pick one of Max, Alonso or Ham and only after that, I would go for drivers in the Leclerc group. We have seen what Leclerc did though when he was competing shortly with Max until reg changes hit Ferrari in 2022. Leclerc choked in France and Imola. In France the pressure was on, Max pitted, Leclerc had to bang out laps to stay in front of the undercut and put his car into the barrier. Max also spins, but is able to catch his car often by doing a 360. That is no luck. I also think Max has become stronger each year. So, Max 2023 would beat Max 2022 and certainly Max 2021. Even Hamilton could not beat Max 2021 and needed sneak attacks from behind (Silverstone and Hungary) + AD21 drama to make it look like it was close. Normally speaking Max wins that season with over 30 or even 40 points. Leclerc beating the current version of Max will be even harder. Max 2023 is at a level that he has beaten a 71 year record from Ascari, having the highest race win % in F1 history. Beating the Vettel record, having the longest race win streak in F1 history. Ham’s longest win streak in all those dominant years at Merc is 5, Max’s second streak this season is already at 5. There are many more records, but he is performing at a very high level. This is the most dominant season of a driver in F1 history. So I am absolutely not ready to put Leclerc in the bracket with Max. You also know why? It is not a speed thing. Leclerc has that covered. It is the input Max gives to his team. Horner was in a podcast recently and talked about the difference between Max and Vettel. The thing with Max is that he exactly tells the developers what he needs from them to be faster and when they make the changes, Max is indeed quicker. Everybody is glorifying Newey, but not paying attention to what people like Horner tell us about Max and his inputs for the development of the car. So it is not even an on track thing. It is an off track thing that stands out for me. Apart from that, there are still things on track in which Max might be better. I’m not sure Leclerc can beat Max in the wet and I’m also not sure Leclerc is as good with tire deg as Max, all things being equal. Perez was always known as the tire whisperer, but now they are teammates, we can see Max can do it better, while maintaining a higher race pace. There is something else that rubbed me the wrong way in this comment section. How some commentators kind of elevated Leclerc above others in the group he belongs to. Norris and Russell are drivers I first want Leclerc to beat in more or less equal machinery, before I would consider him clearly better. Or even if there was decent evidence that he is better than them right now, I’m not sure it stays that way in the near future. Norris is going places I think and Russell will become the main driver at Merc once Lewis retires. Even someone like Sainz is underway to beat Leclerc for another season and probably you have bad luck adjusted stats to prove Leclerc does much better than Sainz in those ones, but why then has Sainz beaten Leclerc in all sprint format seasons? @@greenfj1466

great video!

Red Bull always gave me this vibe, they 100% believed in Max Verstappen. I had the same vibe with Mercedes, they 100% believed in Lewis Hamilton. Same with McLaren and Norris, they also 100% believe in him to be a championship winner in the future and want to go that route together. For some reason with Ferrari i do not have the same vibes, i'm not sure exactly as to why that is. And i think this feeling goes both ways, Ferrari making to many mistake to earn 100% trust from LeClerc, and LeClerc making to many mistakes for Ferrari to trust him 100%. That's how i percieve it tbh

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

Leclerc doesn't make mistakes, liar

@edyslavico3761

7 ай бұрын

Also Aston believes in Alonso... But Ferrari doesn't believe in Lecrerc

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

Fail-a-rrari only believe in themselves despite being godawful... if Leclerc can't do it, no one can..... they're not the Ferrari like in 2004, making everyone jealous of their consistency, their brilliance, their speed, their strategic masterclasses, perfect understanding of their own selected tyres, fast pitstops, whilst having the GOAT on the team and a strong second driver. Even Michael in his prime would not bring this team to championships in 2022, 2017 or 2018. They're just that TRASH, even with a huge potential on their car and drivers. Fail-a-rrari will find a way, to take defeat from the clutches of victory. @@edyslavico3761

funny enough Sainz is in a similar position because he debuted alongside Verstappen

Charles is obviously good enough to win more races, and in the best car can win the championship. I would also still rate him ahead of Russell and Norris. But this attempt at putting Leclerc next to Max is a bridge too far. Even in karting Max had a lot more wins than Charles. He came into F1 a lot earlier than Charles because of his promise. Yes his team is better than Ferrari, but he is also a lot better at motivating and galvanizing the team, Charles is too reactive./ passive. Sainz is not a bad driver, but if he would be next to Max he would not get anywhere near and he would be considered a second driver. Max is completely relentless, has hardly had a bad day in an F1 car since 2018 Canada. Leclerc drifts in and out of the level. Max has gone up against Hamilton in a straight fight and beat him, and having to be on his game every single weekend. Then he went up against Leclerc in the first half of 2022 and had the better of him, again not having a bad day in the process. On his best day the best Leclerc could beat the best Verstappen from time to time. But the average Leclerc would never get near the average Max over a season.

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

BS.... also don't compare karting to F1, donkey. F1 = F1. F3 Lewis > Vettel F1 2010-2012, Vettel DOMINATES everyone and Hamilton not top 3 in the best car.

@naufalpahlevi8976

7 ай бұрын

The best team you mean? Even if you gave Ferrari the best car like RB19, they would still do stupid mistakes like Xavi didn't inform Charles to keep pushing the delta to overtake Lewis in Saudi.. or Xavi didn't inform Charles about incoming drivers behind him in Monaco.. Or one stopid strategy in austin.. Redbull can win multiple races in 2018 season even with only 3rd fastest car.. So the team factor is more important because better run team would perform more consistently than the dysfunctional team

@huseyinsenol1769

7 ай бұрын

just cry anywhere else@@naufalpahlevi8976

Unfortunately for Leclerc, although he might be the faster Ferrari driver but isn't the driver Ferrari needs like Sainz who can control his own race. Similar to Button VS Hamilton at McLaren, being the faster driver doesn't mean you will be the better driver.

@Robalexe

7 ай бұрын

Hamilton was very clearly the better driver compared to Button 2/3 seasons at McLaren, what are you talking about?

@eternal_trashero

7 ай бұрын

@@Robalexe He was the faster driver but because of mistakes he finished behind Button in the standings. Button was clearly the more complete driver with a better sense of the race whereas Hamilton was just fast.

@Robalexe

7 ай бұрын

@@eternal_trashero He finished behind Button once in the standings... Hamilton could've even won the title in 2010 and 2012 if his car wasn't giving up or if the team wasn't an operational mess (especially 2012, that was a Ferrari 2022 level disaster), while Button was never seriously as much in the fight actively and realistically.

@Firemarioflower

7 ай бұрын

BS

" I'm so unlucky. " - Charles

Watching this after Brazil 2023 hits even harder

Your videos are great and the background music is sooo sad 😂

I'm just hyped for Norris vs. Max.

That rake at 3:03 is insane!

Why is Red Bull so dominant again? A: Two reasons - Adrian Newey and Max Verstappen. If they were to lose just one of the two they would be screwed. Regulations place more emphasis on development of aerodynamics, which is where Newey really is in his element - he is, categorically, the best in the Formula 1 field in that regard.

Here after the Brazilian Shootout, the difference is so stark

lets see leclerc beat his teamate before we start talking about championships

Finally an objective video where some respect is put on Charles. He has his flaws just like any other drivers but the idiots on social media who have -0 wheel knowledge always try to make it seem like Charles is some kind of pole merchant with zero race craft.

Whats great is that basically this crop of 5-6 young guns are basically all mates.

It's crazy how the lack of one apostrophe makes the title so much less readable.

Max has always been better than Leclerc, also in the junior years in karting. Leclerc is good, but Max is generational, fortunes swaped but with somewhat equal cars it's always Max....

I think redbulls performance is not fully appreciated. As a team they have not made ANY pitstop mistakes, strategy blunders or anything. And paired with Max's performance they are just in a league of their own. Even in Mercedes dominance era they made occasional mistakes but were saved by their car. Not the same in redbull though

As much as I'm angry that Leclerc kicked Vettel out of Ferrari (I'm that Vettel fan, but I knew it was rough times for Sebastian), I know that Leclerc is an incredibly quick driver who can extract incredible pace from even slow cars. His 2020 qualifying results and podiums, his 2021 poles, 2022 qualifying monopoly, and 2023 Baku pole in that Ferrari are proof that he's quick.

@Robalexe

7 ай бұрын

Charles has 2 FIA Pole Trophies for having the most poles in 2019 and 2022, everyone knows he's insanely quick

@EntropicExergy

7 ай бұрын

Too bad being quick isn't enough to be a champion. A champion needs to be top tier in pretty much everything involving racing. Consistency, strategy, tyre management etc. are equally important. Being quick is cute, but when you fry your tyres or can't overtake someone effectively all that speed isn't going to do much for you.

As a Leclerc fan, this hurts sooo much!!!!!!

Thanks, I feel like there are so few people nowadays because they just watch stats/scoreboards or DTS, who actually realise the truth that you have mentioned throughout the video. Ferrari has literally taken away a brilliant era from all of us which might never return because 1 team is far superior than any others. Nevertheless, still hoping there comes a day when we see this battle across the length of a season, cause judging just by the glimpses of this last year and in 2019, it truly could have been one of the greatest eras of formula 1.

As a fan from being a 4yold...2019 brought me full time back to f1...lost interest a bit during 2015-2017

@Robalexe

7 ай бұрын

Interesting, because 2016 and 2017 (and 2014) were the best title battles for 8 years straight before 2021.

easily my top two favorites of the current grid and the two drivers i’m most scared of quitting f1 too soon. max suffering from success. and charles suffering from…,,… you know what.

Leclerc’s over pushing in ‘22 was mostly due to desperation by all the races that were meant for him to win, botched by his own team. He was pushing, those guaranteed wins that slipped through his fingers on the back of his mind, he most likely pushed to create a gap so if he was sabotaged again, there would be time to correct errors. He was let down more times in a few races than most drivers experience in their entire career. That would fuck with anyone’s head and make you start to try different things than you normally would BECAUSE of these errors from his own pit crew, Ferrari strategy & pit-wall, engineer/team indecisiveness & poor communication, poor reliability, etc etc etc. Do we seriously think he would’ve been over driving in France if he had won 1 or 2 of those races where it looked locked in for him to win, if not ALL of them? Highly, highly, *doubt it* He would’ve driven fine, and he would’ve been screwed over some other way. I never put that crash solely as Leclerc’s massive error, it was a butterfly effect result of everything that’s happened previously.

They are super similar drivers. I´d argue that if you put Max in Charles´ Ferrari, he´d probably didn´t get as many poles as Charles (he´d still qualify close to the top of course) but he´d be in a whole race distance 3 to 4 seconds closer to top than Charles currently manages.

@BrayanOfTheRain

7 ай бұрын

Max would have won many races in that Ferrari, proven by the times he won races with Red Bull being the third best car on the grid in 17', 18', 19'.

@mariano1428

7 ай бұрын

@@BrayanOfTheRain Well, but in the specific races where Max won those years, the RB was at the very least the 2nd best car. Like, you have 2x wins in Austria where Mercedes only won where they were head and shoulders above the rest and Ferrari won only once in the last 20 years Mexico 2x, again a super strong RB, they locked the front row with Daniel in 2018 and in 2017 Lewis and Seb were always running from behind Germany 2019 was greatly executed from his part, but... in that race, who was or wasn´t the fastest didn´t really make much difference Malaysia 2017 I don´t really remember And Brazil he should´ve won it in 2018 had Ocon not done what he did and then won in 2019, again with a really strong car in that circuit The fact that he made the MOST out of those chances is undeniable, but his car was also really suited to those circuits and those chances that appeared

Very good video

Charles Leclerc’s career trajectory so far is similar to Maverick Viñales in MotoGP. Fans used to call Viñales the ‘testing world champion’ because he was always fast in pre-season then failed to challenge for the title lmao

When Leclerc was on his way to the 2019 Bahrain GP race win (which he ultimately didn't end up winning) I caught myself thinking, what if it's going to be Leclerc that becomes the youngest driver to win the title instead of Verstappen, wouldn't that be ironic? Ultimately, neither succeeded. But it's crazy to think that in the next 5 seasons (so '19-'23) Leclerc would only win 5 races, against 47 for Verstappen (who incidentally, had 5 wins at the start of 2019).

As a big Max fan I kindy feel sorry for Charles. Would really like to see the real fight for WDC, between this two amazing drivers.

The sf-23 makes the redbull looks slow on certain tracks but only on Saturday 😢

Sainz this year is very impressive. He has matched charles on most tracks in quali and was a bit slower in the race while making less mistakes. He also has amazing awareness in terms of what is going on in the race. Charles can learn from him when to disagree with his team and trust his instincts.

The greatest car in F1 history is the W11, and it's not even close.

There is one condition Max is light years ahead of Charles and thats in the wet or changing conditions

One team is a well oiled winning machine with amazing engineers and facilities, with an amazing team leader and all time great driver, cementing their place in motorsport greatness. The other team is Ferrari.

@balletshoes

7 ай бұрын

And let's not forget that that well-oiled machine is where their undisputed number one driver feels and is treated like the absolute king. It is one thing when you have your team entirely behind you and a completely different story when not only your car is dodgy but your team dynamics are very shaky.

@EntropicExergy

7 ай бұрын

@@balletshoes That number one status has to be earned. The fact Leclerc hasn't earnt it next to Sainz should tell you enough. Leclerc was curbstomped by Max back in karting, we are witnessing the same thing in F1.

Imagine if the FIA did anything possible to help Charles like they do the Versociopath. Charles would be a 10 times world Champ.

Leclerc vs verstappen ❌️ Leclerc vs ferrari strategy ✅️

Le clerc just doesn't seem to have the elite mentality he's proven too many times to be a bottle merchant

I hope Ford is able to deliver just like how Honda did for RedBull, I dont want RB to have issues in 2026

2019 will go down in history ass

@Aldas please have a look to this one. To be honest Sainz this year was very good, very fast, very consistent. But Leclerc would have still got more points had he not have bad luck or bad team strategy choices... Let's have a look at 2023. Leclerc In Bahrain. From comfortable 3rd, mechanical problem. Loses 15, gives 2 extra points to Sainz. Total 17. In Saudi Arabia. From 2nd in qualifying he starts 12th, only in the 2nd race of the year, because he had already exceeded power unit components allowed changes. He finished in 7th behind 6th Sainz. If he started 2nd, Ferrari was off the race pace, but he would be ahead of Sainz. Loses 2, gives 2 extra points to Sainz. Total 4. In Austin. With a better race pace than Sainz in the 1st stint, they decide to commit strategic suicide with only 1 pit stop. Then also disqualified due to floor wear. Sainz finished 3rd (due to Lewis's disqualification) with the right strategy, because he was forced to take 2 pit stops because he was wearing faster the rubber. So if the team and the floor didn't screw Leclerc, he would have finished 3rd. Loses 15, gives Sainz 3 extra points. Total 18. In Brazil. From 2nd in qualifying, he doesn't even start because of electronic issue that locked the rear axle. Based on his pace against Sainz in the sprint he could have been on the podium, but let's say 4th. Loses 12, gives 2 extra points to Sainz. Total 14. In Las Vegas. At a race that the car had the race pace to challenge for the win. The 1st stint with mediums was fantastic. After the 1st pit stops he was ahead of Max who had 5 laps older tyres and he was pulling away after warming the hards. Then at the sudden SC, Ferrari had chosen not to pit him and left him with 5 laps older tyres in a circuit with plenty overtake chances. He finished 2nd instead of a win. He loses 7 points. In contrast, Sainz. In Qatar. He did not start due to a technical issue. He was 12th in qualifying and he would have never get higher than 7th. He loses 6 points. In Las Vegas. Due to the unlucky incident with circuit infrastructure and the unfair penalty, he started 12th instead of 2nd. Likely, in a fair race without the grid penalty, he would have finished 2nd or 3rd. Let's say 2nd, to be generous. He loses 10 points. 17+4+18+14+7 = 60 points difference lost for Leclerc in his fight with Sainz due to luck or team. 6+10 = 16 points difference lost for Sainz in his fight with Leclerc due to luck or team. Both lost points in Austria and Singapore due to no luck with SC. But comparable. Now we are just before the last grand prix of the year with Sainz only 12 points ahead. But we would have been around 30+ points behind Leclerc considering the above.

Max and Charles are cut from the same cloth and are very similar in many ways. But Charles’ amazing one lap pace is both his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. Charles can’t maintain his pace the way Max can, especially with how unpredictable the SF-23 is. Max has the longevity and strategic driving that comes with experience and confidence in his own ability and in his team, and that enables him to win on Sundays regardless of where he starts (except for Singapore, I guess). Coupled with the RB-19, arguably the greatest F1 car of all time (so far), this is what has made Max unstoppable and untouchable this season, and possibly for many more seasons to come. And this is also why, as a Max fan, I would love nothing more than to see Max and Charles as teammates at Red Bull. This combination is bound to result in amazing wheel to wheel fighting and a closer championship battle similar to 2021 between Max and Lewis.

It's more about the team and the car than the drivers

@mark5071

7 ай бұрын

All three are critical factors. Ferrari fucks up a lot, but so does Leclerc (compared to Verstappen).

Whos going to give Ciril the thanks he deserves for making F1 this big?

Can we agree that Ferrari's mechanical and strategy shenanigan's have severely hindered Charles since he joined