There's an idiot called "Pinned by Asianometry" posting spam in here. Ignore it.

@ebx100

2 жыл бұрын

This is an ever increasing problem in many channels. Hello, Google?

@ed-edd_andeddy

2 жыл бұрын

Well that would be you.

@justanerd414

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know about that chief, it looked suspiciously like you🤔

@leonidasg2257

2 жыл бұрын

Yea the moment I saw that I reported that piece of crap.

@gildardorivasvalles6368

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, I posted a comment, and there you have it, I got spammed by the account -- and to others, please read carefully, the name of the account is "pinned by Asianometry", not simply "Asianometry", so NO, it's not Asianometry.

This discussion of error rates & yields makes me think of DNA transcription. Our cells might only make 1 error per 100,000 base pairs when transcribing DNA, but the genome is complex enough that we still need a massive error-handling infrastructure to keep all those errors from killing us.

@jtgd

2 жыл бұрын

Great comparison

@robertlee5456

2 жыл бұрын

And yet a 100% perfect DNA transcription process would disallow the possibility of beneficial genetic mutations, so the error-handling systems have evolved to allow a tiny trickle of errors, I think. A very delicate balancing act.

@WalterBurton

2 жыл бұрын

Ayup.

@JacobJonesy

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertlee5456 nah we're done evolving, did it for millions of years, time to turn off the telomeres shortening function.

@jk35260

2 жыл бұрын

Is DNA transcription process a chemical process?

The more I learn about chip manufacturing the more I am impressed about what humans can manufacture. It's incredible that such industry with that much complexity can exist and be so productive. It is fascinating

As someone with little to no idea on how chips are made (it always seemed like magic to me) these videos have been quite informative, even for someone like me. I love them, keep up the good work!

@hamzasaud01

2 жыл бұрын

U can watch Linus tech tips tour of Intel's Israel FAB, they show the robots and the process there

@MostlyPennyCat

10 ай бұрын

And now that we've watched hours and hours of these videos? Now it's confirmed magic. This is just magic, people, they are meddling wizards, not other explanation fits

Was surprised that a lot was talked about on yield management without mentioning KLA, the toolmaker whose whole business is built on defect detection. Otherwise fantastic overview on what keeps TSMC at the top of the game.

@AmrishKelkar

2 жыл бұрын

yep -- worked for KLA for decade+... and can very confidently say its one of the companies that nobody has like heard ever (general public), although they have the lion's share in various sections of metrology and yield management. Sigh.

@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555

2 жыл бұрын

I hated the KLA tools. Sucked being a tech and having to run down defect issues.

@orkkojit

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmrishKelkar how to get a job in the semiconductor industry, like which engineering degree is required

@AmrishKelkar

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 I think each and every tool inside a fab is an extremely complex monster. Very tough to troubleshoot. I agree - tool going down sucks - - but there really is no way around it. Was your experience with other tool vendors the same? (keeping tool complexity ~same level)

@AmrishKelkar

2 жыл бұрын

@@orkkojit Mechanical, electrical, electronics Engg degrees are highly sought after. Material science. I would suggest master's+. CS too, but you're not going to get paid like pure sw companies. Degrees in physics and maths can also get you in.

I studied this in a master degree 10 years ago. The technology evolves so quickly that the knowledge then acquired is now obsolete. Thanks to your channel I can stayed up to date. Also, we don’t really need to go to university to learn this anymore. Time for a revolution in the expensive and obsolete education system …

I've watched several of your vids that talks about chip making, but this one, it really opened my eyes to how these processes are 10000x harder than I have ever imagined

I am even more amazed and impressed than I was before I watched your vid. Thank you for making.

Man the amount of knowledge you have over the broad process is astronomical.

Fascinating, it's hard to imagine how much research and reading you had to go through to distill all the knowledge you've absorbed for the common person to understand.

TSMC partnered with Apple to create the UltraFusion chiplet connection. TSMC also partnered with AMD to create 3D V-cache. With the M1 Ultra and 5800X3D selling in volume, TSMC is getting massive production data for the future.

@seanjorgenson7251

2 жыл бұрын

and atomera

@lucasrem

Жыл бұрын

Tri Nguyen EUV, that was a Japanese guy, ASML patented it, TSMC is producing them .

I really enjoy your in depth analysis. Thank you for this content

Great vlog. You managed to tell us a lot more about TSMC. They are truly amazing.

This is great! I'm an ex Intel guy and can hardily agree with your points. One minor point to emphasize is that it takes a career (like 20 years) to recognize what the problems are and what the likely solution is. Its the ability to spot likely causes and apply the right method of investigation and solution

Brilliant video. Very clear and very useful. Thanks for it.

Great video, looking forward to more of these!

Great stuff asianometry. You're videos aren't just among the best on tech and political ecnoomy, they are among the best of any youtube channel of any type. thanks.

I work in a 150mm SIC Fab, for a relatively small company. Based on the fabs youre talking about in this video, its like I work in the stone age.

Great video, as always. I was surprised by your pronunciation of 'stochastic'.

Wow you make consistently great content frequently. Awesome channel

@leyasep5919

2 жыл бұрын

we'll call that : work, insight and talent ? :-D

This is insane and freaking bananas what humans can do. I'm watching the video with my mouth open!!! Subscribed to your channel, my dude!

Nothing better on a Monday morning waking up to a new TSMC video!

My university internship was in a wafer fab plant. Yet I did not realise wafer fab is so complex and sound really fun. I was even invited to work in the fab but I ended up as a network engineer. Now I feel like I missed doing something I may be quite passionate about.

This was great! Thanks

I love your videos I can feel my brain growing when I’m watching them lol.

i met some of the TSMC engineers a little while back. they are far far ahead... some of the most clued up i've ever met. back in the day i was heavily into CPU architecture & design.

Very good video - thank you.

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

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I love these videos. Fascinating, enlightening, educational - and at times hilarious. Why does "FOUP" sound so funny?! I don't know, but I had to stop the video while I giggled.

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️.

fascinating video, great job

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

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Simply great video..

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

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Chip making is fascinating, all the small things we enjoy everyday but have no idea how they are made

TSMC employs wizards, simple as that. Since Samsung and Intel try to make progress without utilizing the arcane, they're lagging behind. jkjk, but it seems like TSMC has a fundamentally better understanding about the issues that may pop up when doing a node shrink, and how to solve them, aswell as far superior software and design guidelines.

Looking forward to a video about the rumors of TSMC potentially opening fabs in Singapore and the implications

treating the process of creating architected chips as process architecture to be optimized is some awesome meta-application and applied efficiency

Last I heard TSMC is introducing N3E which is "only" a 60% density shrink as opposed to the standard 70%, but it's already yield ramping right. This shouldn't be a big issue since N5 was already a bigger leap over N7 than normal. 84% in the best cases actually. So from N7 to N3, on average, follows the 70% density shrink every two years.

@SianaGearz

2 жыл бұрын

What advantages does density bring beyond purely more semiconductors per unit of area? Gate capacity (power usage), propagation delay? Will some of these start scaling worse with density or have they started already? What about leakage current? Because i have a feeling that a lot of the time, the device size is hardly the goal, as the packaging takes up too much room anyway for it to matter, and we're well past bottom price per FET; and for large and powerful chips, power density is becoming critical anyway, like if a chip that takes like half a kilowatt, ridiculous, how do you even cool that without having it turn into a Pringle?

@PainterVierax

2 жыл бұрын

@@SianaGearz Power usage, specifically FET leakage current and RDS(on) is a huge part of a node improvement. This is the key to usable density nowadays as thermal density became critical.

@andersjjensen

2 жыл бұрын

@@SianaGearz The advantage of smaller transistors is faster switching time (higher frequency chips) and faster signalling between each transistor (signals propagate at the speed of light). The first disadvantage is greater leakage (wasted power), but this is partly offset by the better voltage/frequency curve. That is to say: if we only "harvest" *some* of the frequency gain in exchange for lower operating voltage it's still a net gain. The power density problem is not inherent to node shrinks. It's inherent to competition. Laptop chips run at 15W and get like 80% the performance of their 65W desktop cousins. We still make chips about the same size all the time, so the cooling area remains much the same. We just cram more transistors (which each use less power) into the same size package for a net performance gain.

@_TeXoN_

2 жыл бұрын

@@andersjjensen Frequency scaling is not really happening anymore. We had 5GHz chips ten years ago. Electrical signals also do not travel at the speed of light. Nowadays it's mostly more transistors and a bit more efficiency per transistor.

@andersjjensen

2 жыл бұрын

@@_TeXoN_ Electromagnetic signals travel at the speed of light in the medium they travel in. Just like light travels through air.. at the speed of light in air. We generally don't bother to distinguish between "the speed of light in a perfect vacuum", which is what think of when saying "the speed of light", and "the speed of light in this particular alloy" because in microprocessors (and other high quality electronics) it is at 95-99% the speed of light in a vacuum. Frequency scaling still happens despite you not seeing much of it in modern processors. This is because it is difficult to retain good IPC (Instructions Per Clock) at higher frequencies on the rather complex instruction sets of PCs. Every time TSMC markets a new node you'll see them state something like "20% more speed at ISO power or 40% power reduction at ISO speed" (those happen to be the numbers for N5 over N7). The chip designer can then mix and match between those two extremes to suit their needs the best. ASICs (that is, logic chips that don't interpret programs because they ARE "the program") see perfectly good frequency scaling if designed right.

There was an interesting piece in this weeks Economist about the Taiwan chip industry. They highlighted the number of engineers being lured to China and suggested they are seen as traitors in Taiwan. Any thoughts of doing a video on this topic?

@capmidnite

2 жыл бұрын

I heard in the 1990s Japanese chip engineers moonlighted for up and coming Korean chip fab companies, which wasn't too hard to do considering it's only a 2.5 hour flight between the two countries. Since then, Japanese chip companies have never recovered their position, at least in sectors such as memory.

@johnl.7754

2 жыл бұрын

But if ASML (or whom ever is makes the required machines) is restricted from importing to China then not sure how useful it will be. Have not read the article but have heard of this issue before for years.

@blankmoment2

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnl.7754 not to mention Japan also play a role in creating device that is in the process to prepare these chips fab so I dont think they would do well.

@deborahschumann8286

2 жыл бұрын

Even so.. Taiwan still relies on Japan and US for the designs.

@stantonx9257

2 жыл бұрын

Huawei has been beaten by the US. So chinese technology is just a joke!

Your time to yield graphic should show that the kpi is in units of time (arrow should be in the time axis). Also interesting to mention is that typically yield learning rate is proportional to yield. So yield ==0 makes yield learning difficult

Another useful presentation to tell us the human mind and resolve when harnessed so intelligently creates so much value. The measurements are awesome.

I watch each of these in the context of the worldwide chip supply chain push that seeks to replicate what TSMC does in brand new fabs. I can imagine the learning curve, never mind the yield curve, might never catch up.

@Asianometry Stochastic is pronounced "Stockastic" ;) Its originally a greek word. Greek imports with ch are always pronounced like that. The ch is the replacement for the greek letter "chi", in which ch is also pronounced like k. edit: "...which i will refer to as foops". thats adorable and made me smile, thanks. "mom found the foop drawer"

@Asianometry

2 жыл бұрын

My father pronounced it that way so I will honor his teachings.

@No0dz

2 жыл бұрын

This made me think how different groups of people can use the same concepts, but have different pronunciations or even words. Easy example: in Brazilian primary education, we learn that the formula for finding the roots of a quadratic equation is called "Bhaskara's formula". Bhaskara is an ancient Indian mathematician, and it seemed fitting, so I never questioned it. Turns out this is wrong information that somehow got into all Brazilian university level math textbooks. So every Brazilian child was being taught the quadratic equation had this name when no such thing existed.

Please talk more about Stochastic Computational Lithography software. Is there a way to validate design integrity at each step? How is the lithography mask itself damaged? Is there any chance of using meta-materials to create sub-EUV lenses?

I went from understanding nothing you were talking about, to possibly understanding maybe some of what your talking about. 10/10

Liked this video (I actually understood some of it!) ☺☺☺

Very nice. Is there a place (patrion page maybe?) where you are listing which textbooks you are using?

Hi, thanks for the great effort here. Can you please provide me with a full source about the Motorola faulty emitter pipe incident?

Subscribed!

I wonder if it is possible for chip making to become a lost art in the future, maybe because of conflict in the region? There's so much know-how, experience and IP involved, not just capital equipment and raw materials. Technology can become "lost." The rockets and other equipment used in the Apollo mission cannot be duplicated anymore, even though the blueprints are still around. Or take a Stradivarius, which no one today has been able to duplicate. Or the secret of Damascus steel, which has never been exactly duplicated by modern sword smiths.

@111455

2 жыл бұрын

we will scour the cosmos looking for STC's just like in warhammer

@tonysu8860

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure that's one of the reasons for the US wanting TSMC fabs on American soil... So if China should one day lose its mind and destroy TSMC on Taiwan, not all intellectual property will be lost. Although TSMC makes chips for the entire world, the US is by far the country which benefits most by advanced chips, and chips in quantity and if TSMC production is destroyed it can be argued that perhaps the US would suffer the loss more than any other country.

@sooocheesy

2 жыл бұрын

The scale of the industry makes it unlikely. All the examples of "lost technology" you gave were done by (relatively) small groups of people. There's hundreds of thousands if not millions of people involved in the wafer fabrication fabs and suppliers.

@111455

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonysu8860 that was extremely well thought out and eloquently put, bravo!👏

@VRtechman

2 жыл бұрын

IT'S MODERN DAY ALCHEMY! Just accept that as we all wait digital devices to ticket our fancy!

How will the new US based FABs be integrated into their production scheme? Will they mainly fill NAFTA and South American orders? Or will they just be used for more volume based orders? Interesting video as always. Keep up the good work. Long time fan

@tonysu8860

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure the whole point of providing the subsidies and investment to fund fabs in the US won't come without strings. From the USA point of view, it'd ensure availability of some decent chips although apparently not the best that TSMC manufactures if China one day insanely destroys all of Taiwan including all TSMC fabs on the island. The point is that even if nothing particularly advanced is made in US fabs, it'll still be better than if all TSMC's production is completely destroyed. TSMC benefits because Taiwan's fabs are still so valuable that the world would put immense pressure on China not to destroy Taiwan while still doing a large amount of business on US soil safe from any threats. And, as the video describes TSMC practices are far advanced compared to everyone else today so everyone will benefit from TSMC on US soil.

@rchen1494

2 жыл бұрын

it's not a big one. Maybe mainly for Department of Defense - to make US govt less stressed.

@codycast

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonysu8860 the world is too cowardly to stand up to Chinese aggression in Taiwan. Sucks but true.

hi, I could not help myself with it.. 4:56 the ch in stochastic is as in chemistry thanks for the video, it was very interesting.

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

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Super interesting

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

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I really love those fabs.

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

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@6:53 shouldnt be the TIME to yield on the x axis? (u called the Y-axis(yield) gain exactly that, yield gain) the time to yield for that specific yield gain should be where the horizontal iminative lines for your yield gain ends hit the curve

Sorry to correct you: the CH in "stochastic" is not pronounced like in "choice" -- it's a Greek origin word, like "chorus", or "chaos", and in English it's pronounced like an unvoiced hard "K" sound, exactly like in "chorus", or "chaos". Other than that very minor thing, fantastic video. Thank you very much!

6:47 - Shouldn't the Time to yield be on the time axis?

4:55 ha-ha "sto

Let's go TSMC!!! Asian excellence!

Thanks for the informative video. FYI "stochastic" is "stow-kass-tik", rather than "stow-chass-tik" :)

Didn't expect KZread to recommend me something like this, but I don't mind.

1:40. Shouldn’t leading edge be N5, N6, N7 instead of 14, 16, 10?

In my mind Tina Turner's iconic song 'The Best' was playing during the intro.

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

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Isn't the length and width of the transistor still at near 20 nm even when their marketing is 5, 3 and 2 nm?

Topic suggestion: fabless vs IDMs organization structure

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️.

The Motorola yield problem sounds like an interesting story, but I couldn't find it on youtube. Does anybody have a link?

Are atomic transistors coming still?

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️.

It took me this long to realize that TSMC's logo has a wafer in the background!

@Martinit0

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, you can see TSMC's yield right there staring at you from their logo.

Daifuku also makes automated handling systems for human ashes. So when you go to the mausoleum to pay respects you punch in the info and the proper urn is delivered.

Those red dots on the wafer are used for Celeron cpus

The yield is proportional to the chemical and manufacturing steps needed to make the chips. In chemical reactions, yields are proportional to the number of steps and the yield at each step. So, if your yield is 90% per step and you have five steps, the best yield is .9 to the fifth power = .59 which is 59%. That chip manufacturers have done even better on yields than chemists is amazing.

verry good

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️..

Any insight as to how can Intel expect their nodes to stay competitive with TSMC that seems to be working with a lot more companies on a larger scale?

@_TeXoN_

2 жыл бұрын

They have announced that they will open up their fabs for external customers. Currently also every capacity that is being offered will also be sold.

@PainterVierax

2 жыл бұрын

Even though Intel is a huge company making chips for a lot of applications (not only CPUs), this is certainly one of the reason why they want to open their foundries to fabless manufacturers.

@zizzyballuba4373

2 жыл бұрын

industrial espionage (sponsored by shady agencies)

@lubricustheslippery5028

2 жыл бұрын

They probably can't.

At 6:45 time to yield should be an horizontal segment and not vertical, I think.

@pacogimanes

2 жыл бұрын

Great videos btw

No Idea what I am doing here but i'm entertained

Was the red network a picture of the Japanese pavilion at the Venice Biennale some years ago?🙃

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

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at 6:50 the time to yield should be on the x not y axis, great video though!

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️.

Very good. China seems to have been able to use learning through scale in building infrastructure domestically and abroad. Perhaps worth a video as most governments struggle with time and cost to build individual infrastructure projects. Maybe the USA did the same when it built the interstate freeway system in the 1950s?

@tonysu8860

2 жыл бұрын

Is just a variation on "Experience is the Best Teacher." You need to actually try and fail to get the data needed to succeed.

@vitaliibraslavets

2 жыл бұрын

TSMC is from Taiwan not China and is a local company not Chinese one.

You know I work in semiconductor qubits and when we have a 50% yeild on chips with 2-3 qubits on it we feel like they are high yield

Apparently there are some underlying industries (besides ASML), and in the U.S., that are necessary to microprocessor fabrication - would love to have you explain these and how they fit in.

@Peter_Lynch

Жыл бұрын

He already did videos on quite a few of them for example Carl Zeiss

@red-baitingswine8816

Жыл бұрын

@@Peter_Lynch Thanks!

When we see G3/5/7/9 we see "binning". Each chip is tested and the best ones are premium G9's. The others do not go to waste, for they can be "adjusted" to suit the lower quality, acceptable levels. Just like flat panel displays, each panel reaches an acceptable level, and the rest are sold off to lower tier flat panel manufacturers.

This company is kicking butt - and Samsung

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉 ▶️

Is there any tolerance at all for defects? Like, if a single wrong "bridge" is formed, does that screw the whole chip?

@PainterVierax

2 жыл бұрын

That's the job of the chip designers to counteract the inevitable defects by making redundant circuitry units/routes or by designing circuits beyond the defined specs. Making lower SKUs with partially defective dies or at the opposite making higher parts using the most nondefective dies won't be a thing without those tricks.

Interesting, but I still struggle to understand how the vertical yellow line in the plot @ 6:55 is a projection of “Time” while time is on the x horizontal axis and yield is in the y vertical axis…

@DBarks38

2 жыл бұрын

@asianometry

Hello Asianometry I have a question. Why Japan didn't have the asml euv lithography machine? While Taiwan(tsmc) have it and southkorea*samsung) have it. It's so just confusing its impossible that no Japanese business would buy the asml euv lithography machine

It is mind boggling to think that it is possible to do a three nanometer process, if three nanometers is the size of the smallest feature that is only 14 atoms across assuming they are packed at the highest possible density allowed by the van der Waals radius for silicon which is probably optimistic. It is probably a lot less than this. How is it possible to have usable features that are only a few atoms in size, how is the defect rate not sky high ?

I feel like it's not just randomness, but rather a lack of holistic understanding of a bigger picture. What always bothered me was that even when particles behave in a wave like manner (interference and such) I never thought of it as weird or unpredictable, but rather as an inability to measure all the interactions in the system (including every atom in slit as in a double slit experiments, or just some resonant fluctuations if such thing is even possible in probabilistic models). OK, I have no idea, but it's very interesting. Maybe few episodes of "Quantum Leap" will bring some light on the subject.

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️.

0:25 question answered, welp on to the next

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️..

Watching this video as I'm on my way to work at F18.

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️

1:40 Orochimaru approves of this style.

back to the beginning

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️

It's so strange to think that the people doing some of the most difficult work there is are also trying to do it as fast as they possibly can... And then all that effort is wasted to process a bloated web page written in a Swiss cheese language that's the hacker's delight and the data collector's daily bread.

@PainterVierax

2 жыл бұрын

that's also true for binary software using more inefficiently the hardware.

The first time I heard “FOUP” I thought it sounded like “foop”, which felt funny sounding until I internet searched and found out it is acronym of specific chip making processes.

Can we stick to SI units instead of pounds, ounces, feet, sticks, stones and bones. Thanks 😄

@fugehdehyou

2 жыл бұрын

Scam bots. Scam bots everywhere

6:40 Time to yield should be a horizontal line, not a vertical line.

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️.

I’ve actually heard the opposite regarding N3. Apparently tape outs are well ahead of N5 and looks like it will be a killer node. I guess we will see in June at the symposium.

I am interested in who will mass produce the first 2nm chip, as there is a lot of geopolitics into who will get it first. IBM's 2nm nanosheet technology claimed a density of 333.33MTr/mm2 (million transistors per square millimeter), but IBM does no fab at scale, IBM will likely license the tech to some company, and that makes geopolitics play into the game. Will IBM license the tech to just Intel (because of government dictate) or also allowed to license to Samsung & TSMC? Will TSMC's own 2nm succeed, or will license IBM's 2nm process?

@johnl.7754

2 жыл бұрын

Probably better for IBM to license it (if actually good) since they might have hiccups/delays building out the fabs.

@fwixgamer4796

2 жыл бұрын

well I'm sure ASML is currently working as hard as they can to produce there machines , so I'm not sure why would anyone buy ibms license tech when its already there !!

@villageidiot8194

2 жыл бұрын

@@fwixgamer4796 ASML makes EUV lithography systems. ASML makes the machines that makes the chips. IBM has the fab process/recipe to make 2nm chips. ASML is like Lodge that makes Cast iron pans. IBM is like Wolfgang Puck, only he knows how to make his version of smoked salmon pizza

Hey John, while I was in Berkeley recently, I had dinner at a restaurant called Long Life Veggie Food on University Ave in N. Berkeley. OMG, that had to be THE most delicious Asian veggie dinner I’ve ever had (and I’ve been a vegetarian for 52 years). Being a Cal Berkeley guy, you must have eaten there too.

@ADMIN-ln4dy

2 жыл бұрын

T̼h̼a̼n̼k̼s̼~̼~̼f̼o̼r̼ ̼w̼a̼t̼c̼h̼i̼n̼g̼!̼!̼!̼ ̼T̼e̼x̼t̼ ̼o̼n̼ ̼W̼h̼a̼t̼s̼A̼p̼p̼✞̼︎̼✙̼①④④③⑤③⓪⑦⑨⑦⑨🚀🚀🚀📉▶️

Is TSMC's logo basically a wafer with bad yield? :P

8:39 The tendrils look like mycelium going through a soft, loamy foodstuff like bread.

I'm wondering if China were to take over Taiwan, what would be more important? Securing the fabs or securing the fleeing senior personnel? Maybe the AI engineers are more important than the semiconductor ones? It's a fun thought experiment. It doesn't have to be a China takeover. It could be a tsunami or alien abduction or maybe a post-apocalyptic situation where they save the most important people in an underground vault to rebuild society while everyone else disintegrates. How much of the talent is local? Does TSMC even recruit from the outside? I know there's a bit of hubbub about Hong Kong refugees possibly being Chinese spies and not allowed permanent residence in Taiwan. I wonder how compartmentalized the process is for security reasons, or whether that's even possible in such bleeding edge developments.

@vitaliibraslavets

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think that Taiwan war is likely in next 5-10 years, but in case it happens US will have many months to evacuate TSMC while China is preparing their forces

"stochastic" - the 'ch' is a hard sound, like 'stokastic'

stochastic is a word that is usually pronounced with a k instead of a ch sound in American English. Phoenetically, something like this. stoh-KAS-tic