UNITED WE BARGAIN, DIVIDED WE BEG 🥊🔥🥊🔥🥊🔥🥊

@irrealislife

Жыл бұрын

I like this saying. An individual at my company started developing interest in unionizing because we were growing extremely fast and rather than injecting capital to employ more workers and give us more resources, they just started to crank the dial on operating like a sweatshop to get everybody to run as hard as they could all day as many days as they could force. I’m sure they turned to union busting, because they had all the big wigs fly in and had huge meeting with several groups of employees, management was shifted around, and lots more meetings were constructed to keep communication open and start trying to give some. There are still lots of things I would like to see change, but the company actually did make some pretty reasonable changes. But it just goes to show, even if you’re not successful, going through the process will yield some benefits.

@modemmark421

11 ай бұрын

As a small business owner, *I* *LOVE* *UNIONS!* I Love Unions because I need what EVERY small business owner needs... I need *Customers;* aka Consumers with Money. Union Workers organize and demand proper wages = Money. Union Workers have Money and therefore, can become my valuable *Customers.* Non-union Workers are too timid and/or ignorant to organize and are therefore, weaker and poorer. They choose to be poor slave and they are NOT going to become My (or Your) customers, they are a drag upon our entire economy. I LOVE UNIONS BECAUSE UNIONS CREATE MIDDLE CLASS! ... and because I want Our country to have a Big and Strong Middle Class, thanks to Unions.

@irrealislife

11 ай бұрын

@@modemmark421 the middle class is a myth. There are only two classes. The working class and the ruling class.

@modemmark421

11 ай бұрын

@irrealislife Wow! what a spectacularly BRILLIANT observation! ...from such an apparently small closed mind. LOL! There is no one so blind as he who refuses to *LOOOOOk.*

@irrealislife

11 ай бұрын

@@modemmark421 whatever you say lol. Making $100k/yr doesn’t do much else for you than $30k/yr. You’re still subjected to the ruling class. When you cross a certain line, you’re no longer subjected, because you work on the side that writes the rules for your benefit.

I’m about to start down this path. We’re a popular party/adult store in nearly every mall and we would be the first location to unionize. Thank you for posting this and fighting for all unions

@Davidthestratman7

4 ай бұрын

Hows it turning out?

@wermaus

28 күн бұрын

I hope all went well, if not organizing still has power, even if it's not a union. Together we are stronger. Power to the people.

@zacharytaylor3632

16 күн бұрын

Spencer's is that you?

@youtubesucks1499

5 күн бұрын

​@@wermaus Ok, so UPS negotiated a record union contract for drivers and 12,000 managers are getting fired to save 1 billion in payroll. How are unions are win?

@wermaus

4 күн бұрын

@@youtubesucks1499 Find and take my life from me. Crazy that the unsustainable insane consumerist society isn't sustaining itself. Sorry if taking BACK democratically aligned PEOPLE POWER collapsed the AUTHORITARIAN centralization of power. So if you aren't a bot; Komm susser tod, I'm waiting, I won't wanna starve with the rest of the human race. (Also want to note, super cherry-picked, by definition of of the weakest arguments you could use, a cherry-picked annecdote. Look at MORE information all together at once. That's called a "holistic" perspective and is how you actually come to properly model system. Good luck in the fucking grain wars bud.)

I was thinking, "hmmm my wage is pretty high...do I really need to?" Then I remembered were working almost all national holidays a coworker died in the sote I was going to be sent to, another broke his had on my site, I've personally been hurt at work with a machine defect, and I haven't had a national holiday since Christmas and will be working the 4th of July after working memorial day. If the benefits and training are okay now I can only imagine how great they will be with a union. Fortunately I talk to a lot of people at work and train one on one so I'll have plenty of opportunity to get the know and interact with workers who are staying for the long run. Wish me luck guys, I'm playing the long game!. I've already gotten many to voice me their grievances including racial discrimination and having to take another job. Let's do this!

Love seeing Sohla! Bon Appetit really messed up by treating their employees like garbage. They had such a good thing going but I'm glad Sohla and the others stood up for themselves and gave BA what they deserve. Imagine how much more successful they would be right now had they just treated their employees right.

How I joined a union, works at Italian restaurant 7.5 years, harassed and verbally abused by store owner, fired for messing up a catering order lol, fired from Amazon unfairly after 5 years, singled out and targeted at Target. Goes to UPS, meets shop stewards, becomes one, Teamsters local 63.

@trenchfoot8204

Жыл бұрын

You sound like a nightmare employee

Getting a union at my factory is my mission in life. Its insane we dony already have one. Its a huge diesel engine plant. With 1,500 workers. We are stepped on in everyway there is.

@andreaslind6338

7 ай бұрын

Good luck, there are A LOT of younger people who think the same way!

@Davidthestratman7

4 ай бұрын

Hows it going in your mission?

@ron1836

4 ай бұрын

@@Davidthestratman7 well things just weren't going to happen there and the pay too low, hours waaay too long. Plus had to drive 77 miles to work and 77 miles home. 12 hr shift. Over night, 6 days a week. Moving as hard and fast as a human body can accomplish. And took home roughly $700 a week... Just couldn't do it any longer. Went back to a different factory closer by. A dairy plant. That IS union.. teamsters..

@blackswan4486

4 ай бұрын

Try reaching out to unions in other factories or even in other job fields. Talk to supportive politicians and lawyers

@youtubesucks1499

5 күн бұрын

Ok, so you get a union. Cost go up. So how is it a win?

Unions are a group of workers - if you want your union to be more effective - get involved. Become a steward, learn your contract if you have one, encourage other employees to join, pay attention to who you vote for within your union leadership. Vote for pro-union congressional candidates. Shop pro-union companies and union-made products.

@modemmark421

11 ай бұрын

As a small business owner, *I* *LOVE* *UNIONS!* I Love Unions because I need what EVERY small business owner needs... I need *Customers;* aka Consumers with Money. Union Workers organize and demand proper wages = Money. Union Workers have Money and therefore, can become my valuable *Customers.* Non-union Workers are too timid and/or ignorant to organize and are therefore, weaker and poorer. They choose to be poor slave and they are NOT going to become My (or Your) customers, they are a drag upon our entire economy. I LOVE UNIONS BECAUSE UNIONS CREATE MIDDLE CLASS! ... and because I want Our country to have a Big and Strong Middle Class, thanks to Unions. SHARE!!! PLEASE SHARE SHARE SHARE SHARE SHARE SHARE THIS MESSAGE!!!!

As a small business owner, *I* *LOVE* *UNIONS!* I Love Unions because I need what EVERY small business owner needs... I need *Customers;* aka Consumers with Money. Union Workers organize and demand proper wages = Money. Union Workers have Money and therefore, can become my valuable *Customers.* Non-union Workers are too timid and/or ignorant to organize and are therefore, weaker and poorer. They choose to be poor slave and they are NOT going to become My (or Your) customers, they are a drag upon our entire economy. I LOVE UNIONS BECAUSE UNIONS CREATE MIDDLE CLASS! ... and because I want Our country to have a Big and Strong Middle Class, thanks to Unions. SHARE!!! PLEASE SHARE SHARE SHARE SHARE SHARE SHARE THIS MESSAGE!!!!

@NobuhleJumba-mb9dl

6 ай бұрын

God bless you❤

I feel alienated at my place of work due to verbal abuse from a boss and then management supporting the boss. It makes me trust no one, sadly including my coworkers. I would like to form a union, but the alienation has made me mostly want to leave my job.

@nexithedestroyer

Жыл бұрын

Do you know if your co workers are also facing verbal abuse as well? It's possible that you're not alone and you can ask them "Hey, how do you feel about how (name of your boss) speaks to you?" It's very likely you're not alone but if you are, it doesn't hurt to ask because maybe in the future they will notice how disrespectful their boss is to them and feel safe talking to you about it.

@feefawfern8240

Жыл бұрын

@@nexithedestroyer Yes, I have talked to a few people. No, I don't think they are feeling how I am feeling, or there is more general respect, so it balances out for them.

@nexithedestroyer

Жыл бұрын

@@feefawfern8240 thats ok, in the future they may feel comfortable talking to you about anything they're experiencing and thay could lead to futher action. But for now, I'm really sorry you're experiencing that issue at work. That's unnecessary stress no one should have to endure. I hope you're doing alright

@squanchwater4715

Жыл бұрын

In high school, I was bullied by everyone. After I left, the kids just found a different person to bully. It's possible to leave, wait a while, and come back to talk to workers about any changes since you left

I have several co-workers interested in forming a union. My next step would be to get union authorization cards. How do I go about getting them?

Any chance you could add Spanish subtitles?

@westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006

7 ай бұрын

Commenting to boost

@antoniocastellanos9570

21 күн бұрын

I does have it

I have a job driving passengers all day as a tour guide and I had an awkward exchange with a coworker today (another driver). We are "required" (illegally - the company would say it's not a requirement) to work off the clock from home setting up itineraries for our tours on our days off. I made a joke about unionizing, and my coworker proclaimed loud and proud that she is very ANTI-union. I said well, you can thank unions for 40 hour work weeks, overtime pay, benefits, vacation pay (every driver clocks about 10 hours of OT per week since we usually work 9-10 hour shifts on an hourly wage of $16/hr). And she said "what kind of propaganda are you watching, unions are useless, this isn't the early 1900's paperboys." I was gobsmacked, I really didn't know what to say. Comparing illegal working conditions to disney fantasies about liberating child laborers was not something I was prepared to address. Our job is generally actually pretty cushy, it was just a joke, but it made me think a lot more seriously about how little we're paid and some of the labor law violations we're expected to voluntarily undertake. I think you should put together a resource for people like me to get more deeply educated about the history and need for unions and how to interact with anti-union sentiment in the workplace from peers. I understand some of the long history of labor exploitation in America and the right to unionize being critical to protecting worker's rights, but I don't really have a way to formulate cohesive, concise arguments to help get others onboard who may have been buying into the concept of unions as organized bullies for a quarter century or more. This overview was nice, but it sort of skipped the entire process and went straight to "okay, you successfully formed a union! now what?" without covering the entire battlefield that is hearts and minds of coworkers.

@chadgregory9037

Жыл бұрын

tour guides are not valuable people. Learn to code

The nurse, “All this is fun!!” That’s it. Jobs can get boring but being part of making work better is fun.

Solidarity is our only way to wield our power.

So hard to do in Florida...

This channel deserves 10 million subscribers

You should discuss within this video as what might happen to you if the union is not formed. will the union try and help the organizers from retaliation after a failed vote? or did i miss that.

@ron1836

10 ай бұрын

Doubt it...

@fdfischer

8 ай бұрын

NLRB and an attorney

Thanks so much

Is there a viable exit strategy for folks who don't feel represented by their giant union so we can form our own? The massive union that takes a huge chunk out of each of our paychecks has not negotiated a new contract for us and dismisses our complaints. Our last contract expired nearly a year ago and we've had no news of a new one. We're obligatory members of HEU as a job requirement and feel stuck.

@fdfischer

8 ай бұрын

Is it a yellow union?

@Filipciutesci

6 ай бұрын

I know you have done this comment 8 months ago. But just to le you know. You have free will you can leave any union whenever you want. If they try to tell you can't they are probably lying. And of course you can start your own. It might not be easy, but if what you are saying is true, you may not be the only one feeling the this way. So you can talk to your coworkers and maybe get together and start your own union.

I love Sohla! ❤ This is a great collab!

If you want more details about how to organize Socialism 4 All has a number of IWW organizing guides in audiobook format over on their KZread channel.

So The BiG Question Is what if you do get fired for unionizing? What do you do next bc I know the company I work for is definitely gonna fire me.

Would it be possible to post the benefits of joining a union in areas at work such as the bathroom or outside in eating areas ?

the uaw is on strike not far from where i work. they've been striking for months... they went on strike 3 times in the last 6 years. they seem to only ever get pittance if anything at all. meanwhile they're losing pay while striking. right now they're even letting in scabs! how can i form a union that actually fights for results? how do i form a union where the point is to continuously democratize the workplace? i dont see victory simply in getting a union, i want the point of victory to be the abolition of owners over workers.

@geobot9k

Жыл бұрын

I'm at the same place in thinking Ron. I want victory to mean co-worker ownership of, and full-process democracy in, our workplaces I hear IWW (International Workers of the World) is a good org to join, learn from, and help grow

@Ink30

Жыл бұрын

Unions are just there to bat for workers rights and make sure your not bullied or intimidated out of your pay rights ect

@kimobrien.

Жыл бұрын

@@geobot9k Then you want to become a socialist cadre. You can start by reading The Militant and ordering books from Pathfinder Press.

@azieg9ygeb

11 ай бұрын

you could just burn down the building just saying

That Quasimoto/doom shirt has given you a subscriber!

Remember, if you're in Connecticut, Maine, Minnesota, New York, or Oregon, captive audience meetings, you cannot be required to attend a captive audience meeting. You can simply not go and your employer cannot treat you any differently.

Yeah I am thinking about making a union in Texas I work for a gas utility company ,it’s a large company any help or advice? (I just want to make a union for job securement and for not to be pressured to meet gas meter deadlines )

watching this because we're considering starting a union at our work in place. Management continuously ignores or be littles our concerns. Contact a union organizer how?

I am a freelance videographer and former manager in the skateboard industry. Can I form a union as a freelance artist or do I have to work for a company? I know that many others in the skate industry would like some representation

Workers Union Party FTW!!!

hell yeah

That is the best shirt i ever seen

I work at an aerospace manufacturing and they pay so little in a small but popular town that is starting to touch LA prices

What if we want to reform a union that used to exist, but no longer does? Specifically a trade union that wasn't company specific, but represented workers of a specific trade across various companies.

I want to start a tree climbers Union, something nation wide. Do you have any suggestions. I’m working on developing an app to help draw tree climbers together to fight for insurance, retirement and a base pay rate, so many Tree Climbers learn the basics and start removing trees with limited experience for 20 bks an hour and end up having a serious accident with no coverage nothing but disability to survive

THAT PURPLE SHIRT IS FIRE ASF

@kevinmoore7873

Ай бұрын

Yeah is that a Calvin and Hobbes MF Doom crossover?

Ironically, the small amount you pay for union dues could actually be said to be NO different than the amount you pay out of your check for a 401k or health insurance and, in reality could even be beneficial in those regards toward a future where unions could be a major force in helping Americans get universal health care and the expectation that they can have real pensions and retirement and labor with dignity. Otherwise? We're all facing a nightmarish dystopian future that the 4 years of the Trump presidency already evidenced and the Regan/Bush years were a precursor to.

If any one could help me understand further please comment.. I work at a small business (retail) my boss verbally abuses me quite often and i also recently found that she wasnt payin me the correct pay for 2023 in California how do i go about receiving the money im owed without riaking lossing my job before receiving it.. I dont mind loowing the job as long as i get what im owed any suggestions !?

What has the UFCW done for us today?

Does anybody know of any construction labor unions in South Florida?

An unexpected crossover, but a welcome one.

can you sue the company if you get retaliation for trying to create a union?

@HowDoU24

9 ай бұрын

They cant fire you for it, but if they try to give you crap here and there then no, but i may be wrong

Lots of great information, thank you!!

TEAMSTERS!!!!!!

I notice this was made before Walmart achieved unionization. That has been my impetus. But that guy was fired! I am in a Right to Work State. Fun?😬

I'm making one now, one problem, I don't know how to add a cash system in. Can someone help me w this? Ik I could add a cashapp, or even a new bank account but if any of u got advice without sounding like a scammer, tell me please

I wanna form a union but our staff is only like four people Which is good in a way, we're all on the same page and friends But how do we actually represent a union instead of just being friends at work who try looking out for each other? I mean in a sense I am the union leader in all but name. I take blame for others mistakes because I can handle it. I know my rights, I say fuck this job, my girlfriend is also manager so I'm not gonna get fired anytime soon. And at the end of the day my principles are more important to me than simping. Like I always tell her it's great she takes pride in her work but don't take pride in letting the system abuse you. You wouldn't let me do it, why shoild the job? The job doesn't even have sex with ya lol and there are a lot of issues I see in management where they need unions just as much as workers do

Recipe for getting fired 😢 Amerikkka has it set up to where most people will be too afraid to try this.

Here is an interaction to boost the algorithm

Second Thought with Sohla and Ham? I'm so confused and I love it.

anyone at fedex thinking about starting a UNION?

The process between step 3 and 4 isn’t really well presented here unfortunately.

EMS needs to unionize

i’m f*cking wit the Madvillian tee

God Bless Unions!!!!!

@Ink30

Жыл бұрын

They can be helpful sometimes

@superduperbros1

Жыл бұрын

Well said brotha

I like how they mention asking salaries. People are so stick up their ass about talking about pay. Ok just let people keep getting ripped off

I need a video on how to get out of my union without losing my job. I was forced into it by my useless co-workers, and it has cost me enough to buy a new Tesla in half-a-dozen years.

My gosh can we get to the point

I work 70 hours a week, every day is over 8 hours, and I work 6 days a week with no over time. I like the money and I love the job but I just feel like we’re being abused

@ivy8483

Жыл бұрын

No overtime ? yea you need to unionize

@kainenklinger302

Жыл бұрын

no overtime over 40 hrs is illegal sue them

@HaechansWife58

8 ай бұрын

That’s abuse!!! You should definitely get overtime

Ik this guy is real cause he has a MF doom shirt on

There is power in a union

The cake didnt really come up, huh?

Yo Popeyes crew where u at

I'll cover it for you. Dont

you have nothing to lose but your chains

Can all in left YT please start educating people about both: (1) the difference between right-authoritarian vs. right-libertarian; & (2) the difference between left-authoritarian vs left-libertarian? It’s long overdue. People aren’t cattle or sheep: They will understand if we educate them. Though we need to educate (& learn) about all the nuance.

@par3me

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼🇺🇸

@c4ptfr0zen80

Жыл бұрын

This sounds like political compass brain tbh. There are more factors in politics than just “libertarian vs authoritarian” and “right vs left”. I think what’s more useful is comparing different specific strains of political ideologies, going off a material basis and not an idealist one. So like neoliberals (arguably the most prevalent one today unfortunately), right-wing libertarians, neoconservatives, anarcho-communists, Marxist-leninists, Maoists, etc.

@user-wl2xl5hm7k

Жыл бұрын

@@par3me 👍

@user-wl2xl5hm7k

Жыл бұрын

@@c4ptfr0zen80 Though this is the most accurate model humanity has atm. It’s logically and empirically legit. Hope you research it more

@c4ptfr0zen80

Жыл бұрын

@@user-wl2xl5hm7k dude I just clicked on ur name and u leave the same comment on like all of this channel’s videos lmao. Why do you want people to use this simplistic chart for politics? I know plenty about the chart, I used to think it was good (and I mean it has some uses to explain like some of the absolute basics) but it is overly simple and doesn’t deal with material realities, just ideals

That guy’s shirt!

Why don’t you talk about the worst part of being Union? Seniority. Only old folks get all of the overtime and good vacation days. No one ever talks about this. If you are in your 20s starting out. You will never get the weekends off or any major holidays till your mid 40s plus.

SOHLAAAAA ❤

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🙌🏽

We’ll the unions need to keep up with the benefits of places like Amazon and others

agh... i hate unions even more now, especially since this video included a Starbucks union employee which imo are just lazy or and unwilling to understand that when the market turns sour, its not just the workers who suffer, and the company even tried to set itself as a good example

@tokarev3094

10 ай бұрын

Two-thirds of Americans support Unions, so you are in the minority, but thank you for sharing your opinion ;)

@user-ze7hp2jf5x

10 ай бұрын

@@tokarev3094 dont worry, once this sort of policy bankrupts a businesses or two and increases their overall cost of living im sure the numbers will swing right back, assuming that you are not lying about the two-thirds stat that is, so i dont mind you being architects of your own demise, in fact i welcome it, there is nothing better than learning from mistakes.

@Blopt

6 ай бұрын

R u like stupid ☠️

Setting up a union is so easy, everyone should do it. Is this site unionized? I don't see a union seal or organization identifier anywhere? What union do employees of this channel belong to?

Unions dont raise salaries. Its all the companies that U do not work for, since they R the competition 4 ur time. However, unions and regulations, tend to make it harder to start new companies, and thus, lower salaries

The word Union is not mentioned in National Labor Relations. National Labor Relations is the 1935 language that gives workers the statutory right to organize and collectively bargain. Using the word Union is counterproductive. Not agood start if you are thinking long term.

Can someone please explain the CA labor union’s argument that we should abide by 1977 law that a tractor must be manned, even with advances in automation, and a labor shortage?? Kinda screwing over the farmer when they need work done. No labor avail, but can’t use automation. Loose, loose. Please, ask the CA Farm Bureau for comment. And for reference, I’m a progressive dem living in the Central Valley and whose “job depends on Ag”. Just working 60 hrs/week to feed people who think we are trying to kill them. “No pesticides, but I want perfect fruit.” We can do less, but consumers have to be tolerant of visual imperfections, and occasional use of stronger things to eliminate detrimental invasive species. ❤️

RN here.. the hospitals are shuttering, especially in rural areas. The Managment blame “no nurses, no CNAs!”. This is untrue. The Managment has made the work environment so terrible that they can only use travelers. They get $$$ if there’s no “staff” and only Travelers. This costs US THE TAXPAYER triple for a nurse. Do we have that to waste? And that’s not even bringing up the issue that these corporations are comming in our communities, exploiting them and not paying anything back in. They abuse white male patients and staff because these corporations are all Woke, and Woke is exclusionary. This is Idaho. No nursing union. This must change.

@skankhunt3624

2 ай бұрын

Define woke.

This is some dark prehistoric shit… 😂

@The_Deen

Жыл бұрын

How?

Chapter 1: How to form a union. Chapter 2: How a business fails. Given time unions collectively bargain their jobs away (I was UAW) Been there and done that. Look around your house or office, can you find anything made in America? Bring it on geniuses, I have many horror stories to share. I went on to replace a very respectable income, very few of my union brothers were as fortunate. But what do I know? I know you can't fix stupid. Chuckle. I just wasted 2 minutes, didn't I?

@tokarev3094

10 ай бұрын

You have stumbled into the major contradiction with Capitalism. We witnessed the same problems in the early 20th century and the solution was made to alter the economic model from Liberalism towards Keynesianism (or for some countries Socialism). I am curious to know which scholars you may have come across that offer a solution which maintains a (neo) Liberal economic model?

Seems like a lot more work than just finding a better job

@vanthonyacosta91drre

Жыл бұрын

Not really

@picklesandcheese25

Жыл бұрын

If you like your job it’s worth it

@azieg9ygeb

11 ай бұрын

I think it's more fun for us to torture the corporation into doing things to the worker's benefit instead of "leaving it up to the markets" and having said business whine about not having enough workers when everyone leaves.

Anyone know how to stop companies from discriminating against Caucasians? Affirmative action has been the main reason I've been turned away from positions.

Start by hiring skilled lawyers.

@NotoriousSRG

Жыл бұрын

I get the feeling you’re a lawyer lol

@docsumo48

Жыл бұрын

No. Do it yourselves and wait on the lawyer.

@NotoriousSRG

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Yes. Because lawyers are so good at getting things done

Unions sell out real workers for political gains and power. California truckers protested Assembly Bill 5 made for Uber gig workers during a pandemic because "Unions" celebrated laws making it harder for all types of drivers to be independent. The same is happening with all types of gig work and there is a heavy promotion that it only provides great things. It is a trojan horse to stricter work environments and self-loathing coworkers that hate to see anyone happy.

@lealta1481

Жыл бұрын

Unions aren't perfect because they are made up of people who aren't perfect. That said they are better than the alternative. Look how much better life got for Americans when Unions still had power before corporations found sneaky ways of politicizing the issues of unions and undermining them. Wages have stagnated and even decreased while profits continue to increase.

I’d like to start a union to get rid of all the whiny little bitches so I can actually work in piece. So that the company can focus more on growing the business and creating growth potential. Instead they’re catering to the irrational and emotional needs of adults that grew up never being told no. This is a great idea. Can’t wait to start. 👍🏼🇺🇸

@annietiques1803

Жыл бұрын

Peace out.☮️ ✌️

@par3me

Жыл бұрын

@@annietiques1803 Exactly!! Peace out freeloaders. 👍🏼

@geobot9k

Жыл бұрын

@@par3me I'm also tired of freeloader "manager" and "executive" adult children that never heard no profiting off of our hard work, glad we can agree on this

@par3me

Жыл бұрын

@@geobot9k small business owner. Try that with someone else.

@geobot9k

Жыл бұрын

@@par3me If only there was a way you could hire 4 yous that put in the kind of effort you do because you all equally own the business and can collectively kick out any freeloaders How can I trust you own a business if the first thing you do is lie saying you want to form a union to kick out freeloaders then say you own a business? How are you so sure it's not you that's the freeloader?