Finally an affordable spuhr mount for the rest of us😂. Looks pretty damn good

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

Well, you get what you pay for 😉 If the original is not within budget, I would personally go with a used mount. Or an original, cheaper option. I will at some point be making a video on different mounts and how they stack up against each other.

@vikp6115

8 күн бұрын

I have fake and real and copy is excellent I would not buy real for 475$ as thst 60$ fake one is exact copy ND works flawless

Thank you. As a firm Spuhr fan, it’s good to know about the counterfeits that I would not have suspected otherwise. I have sold Spuhr mounts for scopes I no longer owned, so it’s good to have your video in case I’m ever challenged about whether they are genuine.

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

You are very welcome, I am very pleased to hear that my little video is helping folks out there. Stay tuned as a Spuhr fan. There will be some super content for you come May. If you feel I deserve a subscribe that would help me a lot, and please share with everyone, no one should accidently buy a fake Spuhr. All the best and stay safe Best regards @ELR-LONGRANGE.

I bought the knockoff on purpose just to see how it looked and if it would work...to my surprise it works excellent. I have removed and installed a scope 6 times and all screws still work, nothing has broken, which was my first concern, I assumed they would snap when torqued. But it's held up great on B14 HMR 6.5

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

I'm not surprised, I too feel that they are surprisingly good quality. But I still feel that it is wrong to copi a product that is patented, and feel that it is worth knowing how to recognize a fake. And I personally wouldn't want to use it in competition in fear that it would not love up to the punishment it would need ti stand up to.

@liberaltears9231

Ай бұрын

I did the same thing, shockingly surprised for 70 compared to 435! Chinese are on a different level, it’s been excellent. My only complaint would be the real spurh is 7075 and I am quite sure the fake is 6061. With that being said, it has been mounted and remounted at the range still holding zero lining up witness marks.

@liberaltears9231

Ай бұрын

@@ELR-Precision I’m an engineer and I totally agree that IP theft is a disgusting, but knowing what I do the Chinese will continue to do it no matter what any court rules. Their culture is just different, so now I just get a kick out their manufacturing ability.

@ELR-Precision

Ай бұрын

@liberaltears9231 I to have an engineering background. And i agree, that the manufacturing skils of the Chinese is getting more and more impressive. Bu that does not change the fact, that if I buy a fake Spuhr and think it is a real one. I would get pretty pived.

@liberaltears9231

Ай бұрын

I couldn't agree more.

This is really good unintentional ASMR, you have an amazing voice

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

Well thank you very much. I hope you enjoyed the content as well.

Great subject. You can definitely see the milling marks in the counterfeit mount, but you wouldnt know it until you already bought it.

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

I have tried to focus on what I find the easiest and clear way to spot the difference when you don't have them both in hand to compare. I would say the clearest way to see is the bubble level and next after that the milling.

The crossbar bottom, on the actual SPUHR mount, goes all the way across, whereas the fake SPUHR does not go entirely across.

@ELR-Precision

12 күн бұрын

This is also true 👍🏼

dam that fake looks good, why didnt they just make another brand and retail them (while not making fakes) as something else? i wondder how they line up in terms of how true they are.

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

That is a very good question. I to think they look very impressive in terms of quality. But none the less a fake is a fake and should not be sold as a genuine article. But following your question, they could have made a very good and perfectly legal mount of they would put just a few hours into make some unique mounts an retailing them as something else. But this also requires a lot of time, and I do not think the quick buck makers in China are willing to do this. I have not tested them for how true they are, and I do not have any plans doing this until someone sends me a 34mm scope I can test i with. If someone does send me a 34mm scope for testing, I will make an entire video just in the difference on the original and the fake when on a firearm with heavy recoil.

Thank you for this video, I'll get a knockoff.

@ELR-Precision

Ай бұрын

You get what you pay for. Counterfit mounts are also not helping get more, new, and better gear.

@MR-bp3in

6 күн бұрын

I have a couple of them along with a couple buddies that bought them. I have 3 more on order before the gougers get em stopped 😂 the only way to stop these price gougers is to stop buying the overpriced products. These are the same people that buy reloading components at big store retail from an inside man and take to a gun show and triple ,or more,the price.

That's exactly why I don't buy certain items second hand. I have seen this with both optics and quality knives. And it's very difficult to see a cosmetic difference other than the quality of the material and the durability over time

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

That is also an option, i feel there are plenty of good second hand items that are real and just fine at a reduced price. But it is true, going with a retailer will keep the risk of fake items down. The bix was not the same as the original, so if there is no box with the Spuhr mount, be careful and weary.

The bottom of the fake one also has smaller lightening holes, i'd be curious to know if they weigh the same or weigh different. They may have removed less material to make it seem like a real one based on weight.

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

The original weighs 262.85 grams. The counterfit one is 247.81 grams. The thing with lighting holes is that this is not the same mount. The real one is a SP-4302. And the counterfit one is supposedly a SP-4002. This is also stated as a disclaimer in the video. I will get my hands on the real SP-4002 and let you know. Please subscribe and share if you feel I deserve it.

@musician445

2 ай бұрын

@@ELR-Precision Ah makes sense why it would have potentially different weight and different hole sizes underneath. Thanks for the clarification!

Well I received my fake. Scope slides in the mount back and forth relatively smooth. With the caps off. The caps literally snap on. Doesn’t take much pressure. But prefer not risking scratching the scope tube. Would also make it more difficult to level. Used some 400 grit paper on them. Focused mostly on the edges. Didn’t take too much time. Touched up with Birch Wood Casey Aluminum black. I don’t think that this mount can handle true factory torque spec’s. I’m going to use purple loctite on the cap screws. And Blue loctite on the cross bolts. 15 inch pounds for caps and 35 inch pounds for the cross bolts.

@ELR-Precision

Ай бұрын

I would not risk it. If you sand down material, that to me is not worth the risk of placing a scope in it. The risk that it is not straight would to me be too great. I hope your scope survives. Best wishes Elr-precision

@p47rr

Ай бұрын

Yeah I might say the same thing but the aluminum is soft. And the caps are thin. Really only took metal off on the edges. The anodizing isn’t smooth. Didn’t even come close to taking off the finish. The accessory holes on the top caps had burrs that you could feel. So I cleaned those up. Now if the scope didn’t slide back and forth with little effort. I would be concerned. (With the caps off.) I recently bought a Discovery cantilever scope mount. The anodizing is smooth. No sharp edges. Scope slides back and forth so smooth. Normally a fifty dollar mount. But you can find one for under thirty dollars if you look. It is way nicer than the fake. I normally use Warne, Seekins or Leupold rings and mounts. But too expensive to have on every rifle. Just ordered a AR10 in 300 Winchester Magnum. Should be here on Monday. Going to upgrade some parts right away. Larue MBT straight bow trigger, LMT muzzle brake, Tubbs flat wire spring and CMMG Ambi safety selector. Thinking about install an adjustable gas key. Have to buy a staking tool. Was going to pay a gunsmith. But for what for what he charges. I can buy the tool. Family owned a Marina, Went to college to be a car mechanic. Owned a Bicycle Shop for fifteen years. So I’m very mechanical. I should have said in my last posting that I’m going to use Vibra-tite. It’s the same strength as blue loctite. But you can take apart and reassemble without having to reapply up to five times. Plus American Defense says that if you use blue loctite on their mounts it will void the warranty. So when I have a mount that I have no idea the grade of aluminum. That is what I use. For the cap screws low strength purple loctite.

Is there an actual difference in performance tho? Both look like they will hold the scope...😂

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

The original has an inside diameter of 33.59mm and the counterfit one has an inside diameter of 33.02mm. When mounting a 34mm scope, I would personally not take the risk of squeezing my potentially very expensive scope with a cheap China knockoff mount.

@mobilegamersunite

2 ай бұрын

@ELR-Longrange that's solid. Do you make scope ring bushings? They would probably fit better in the counterfeit 😆 🤣 😂

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

@mobilegamersunite I would never mount a scope in bushings. I would always recommend getting the scope mount that fits the scope and use them. There are many factors that can lead to bad accuracy, might as well not make any more deliberately.

@mobilegamersunite

2 ай бұрын

@ELR-Longrange I'm not a long range shooter but I use scope ring bushings to give my scope some more protection from vibratory shock and recoil. I've never seen it effect accuracy...but I also never take mile long shots. It would be cool to test out some day

@mobilegamersunite

2 ай бұрын

@ELR-Longrange you never mentioned the price difference between the real and knock off mounts here. I'm sure the fake ones could still be used as an AR mount

It would be interesting to see if you can torque the side bolts to 45 inch pounds like the real one.

@ELR-Precision

Ай бұрын

That is no problem, I will see if I can comment with a video, if not I will get back to you here 🫡

@MR-bp3in

6 күн бұрын

Yes , you can

Thanks for the advertising..

@ELR-Precision

Ай бұрын

You're welcome.

I got that fake one u saying , had it for over a year on 308 paid 60$ and thst thing is amazing it's crazy good coppy , it's literally same thing , so if China can make them for 60$ I don't know why sphur charges 450$ , the difference between real and fake makes no difference in performance!!! Copy mount is excellent! Specially for the money.

@ELR-Precision

8 күн бұрын

Well, if you are happy with the copy, good for you. But bear in mind that if we all just buy the copy, the people that think of and plan the original will no longer make quality inventions. The price on the original is as it is and is explained to a cirtan in the workshop clip in the visiting Spuhr Playlist. In any case, I hope you enjoyed the content and will enjoy the future super scope Playlist 😊

Does it matter? Both will work ,one just cost less

@ELR-Precision

13 күн бұрын

Well, you get what you pay for. The fake is smaller in tube diameter, and the material is not the same. I suspect the fakes are made from a softer, less dens material such as 6065, where the original is a harder and therefore more durable mount.

The milling on the bottom lightening pockets on the fake are more oval also. Spuhr should have never discontinued the SP-4002. What a terrible decision.

@ELR-Precision

Ай бұрын

I can not confirm that the milling is different as it in the disclaimer states that these are 2 different but similar mounts. I could ask Håkan Spuhr why they discontinue popular mounts when ELR-LONGRANGE visist Spuhr in Sweden the 30 of April if you like? But i think the answer might be something in the lone of, if we do not work on new things we will never develop past the point we are now. Just a guess.

is there a site that sells the knock off exclusively for a way better price?

@ELR-Precision

2 ай бұрын

Yes there is. But iI do not want to share where to buy counterfit products. I made this video to warn you about the fake mount as the inner diameter is 0.5mm smaller than the original.

@thatbox

2 ай бұрын

i can deal with that honestly. I have a dremel if I need it

@precisionleadthrowing4628

2 ай бұрын

@@thatbox if you want to dremel it just duct tape it on the rifle.

@p47rr

Ай бұрын

eBay.

I have both a genuine sphur and a fake. The fake looks and functions just like the genuine. What you should do is just put the price tags on them 😂. That's absolutely the most significant difference. PERIOD. the turtle neck snipers have caused the prices of just about every shooting related item to go through the roof. The folks at sphur honestly should be ashamed of themselves for the price gouging 🤷🏼‍♂️. But if we will pay it,why not gouge? Buy all the fakes you can guys before these clowns get them shut down!

@ELR-Precision

5 күн бұрын

Well, soon enough, you will be able to get all of your gear in China 🇨🇳 Most of the cheaper scopes are made in China, and many other items shooting related. But I still do not feel it is OK to copy something someone else has spent time developing. I'm curious as to how long a fake mount will hold up to the recoil of a lage caliber rifel 🤔 I guess I'll never know 🤷‍♂️

The guy who buys the real Spuhr is the one who gets cheated.

@ELR-Precision

28 күн бұрын

Well, that is your opinion. Keep in mind that the fake is not made from the same material and is not sure that bit will stand up to the same as the original. Also, buying fakes is not the way to get new and better gear from that producer.

@user-TJ365

26 күн бұрын

The people that did the R&D and engineering to produce a high quality scope mount are the ones that got cheated. Multiple skilled people were involved in the development only to have it stolen by a guy from china that measured it and programmed a Chinese cnc machine to get it close. The last 10% of precision and quality control is what you pay for.