Do you try and hold the same speed or same power when riding into a headwind?

@someguy9520

5 жыл бұрын

Trying to keep the same speed, but if it's a straight headwind with 13+ km/h i simply try to ride a similar pace. No need to go at 120% of FTP.

@VintageBreakfast

5 жыл бұрын

I recover from loss of balance and non-aero positions during gusts, and try to maintain cadence by dropping a gear, if necessary. Since my trainer is the only power meter I have, I try to return up to the same speed against headwind.

I try to keep an even effort throughout. So I’d slow down into a head wind and try to keep my heart rate in the range I know is best.

@fiddleronthebike

5 жыл бұрын

well - but than you lose an amount of time which you cannot get back with the same effort in tailwind! Of course... if that tailwind is never coming, your method was perfect... sometimes its really difficult to decide

@gtn

5 жыл бұрын

Sensible riding!

Great video per usual! Love the music in this one.

@gtn

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

This came at the perfect time since I am doing Ironman Cozumel in a couple of weeks. People has told me that it is a very windy course.

ooooh headwinds.. never hated anything more that headwind on my way back of a ride.

@gtn

5 жыл бұрын

The WORST!

I have a great bike trail that I ride 10 out and back , switch bottles every 20 miles, this trail is flat and alot of cross wind and head wind, I keep cadence 80 to 82 , power steady and strong, recovery on trail winds . And I train on my road bike which is about 1 to 1.5 slower than TT and race wheels .And I start around 1 in the afternoon so i can face that strongest winds . Here in Central Fl so riding around 1 its heat and wind .

I find the out and back with the headwind in the second half the hardest to pace. Riding to target power in the first half is no problem, but when you planned to up 10-15w once you hit the headwind, you can find out your not peaking today and slow down 10-15w because that’s all you can do. At least when the head wind comes first, your slowing down in power for the easier part and managed a good distribution of your effort without needing to predict how you will feel in the future.

Perfect Hawaiian 10 foot shoulder and pristine tarmac, anyone?

I keep an eye on my heart rate (so, my power would be the driving factor)... Headwinds can be very annoying!! I had one time where I was cycling down a hill, and the headwind started JUST as I stated going back up the other side, completely halting my movement :/ I'm guilty of doing my cadence too - that's something I need to work on haha.

Damn these sunglasses are so ugly. Nice video by the way as always.

Does this principle apply to climbing as well? I mean, is it better to work harder whilst climbing and take it easier while rolling on the flat? thanks for the informative video, by the way.

@fiddleronthebike

5 жыл бұрын

absolutely!!!

@erikrossen4268

5 жыл бұрын

I would think so! Since wind resistance increases exponentially, I would assume the speed gain by putting out 25W more is probably greater uphill than on the flat.

@lisapet160

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, this aproach was actually accepted for climbing/descending pacing in the first place: cut the time on slow stretches.

@gtn

5 жыл бұрын

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Which brand/model of cycling shoes are Mark and Heather using? Thanks.

@alrocky

5 жыл бұрын

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@heatherfell_oly

5 жыл бұрын

Eugene yes they are Fizik.

@eugeneseah3463

5 жыл бұрын

Nice. Thanks.

Speed is a tertiary variable, dependent on numerous other factors: power; aero-ness; weather; grade; weight, and others. So to just do an “experiment” consisting of hoods v. aero bars is kind of ridiculous-of course being aero is faster. However, one doesn’t focus on maintaining a constant speed, rather, one tries to keep a steady power output. So the better question is spin v grind to maintain power facing headwinds. But you guys went both ways on this: drop your cadence 5-10 (implying grind) but spin more to not overtax your legs. Don’t say the science is complicated; simplify the science and do an experiment to illustrate the point. For me, I treat headwind like uphill-I spin more. But maybe that’s wrong. I wish this video would have shown/given a more definitive answer.

@fiddleronthebike

5 жыл бұрын

steady power output is very seldom the fastest way to ride! An extreme example: putting 250 W on the pedals descending a steep hill will make you only slightly faster than just rolling without pedaling at all - but 300 W uphill this steep hill makes you roughly 20% faster than 250 W; so you will be MUCH faster by riding uphill with 300 W and descending only soft-pedaling than riding at 250 W all the way. And though it is not that extrem in the flats, it is also better to save some energy when riding in a tailwind and use this energy when you fight the headwind

@markthrelfall3577

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Matt. Thanks for watching. I think there was a misunderstanding, we were implying that for most people they opt for a slower cadence into a headwind, however we were trying to say that you shouldn’t do this. Either maintain your cadence, or in fact increase it. With regards to the first section with hoods vs aero bars; that wasn’t really meant to be a test as such. It was simply showing the effect of the headwind and the obvious point - make yourself more aero and it’s faster into the headwind. I do stand by my point about increasing your power into the headwind. It is practiced by a lot of the top time trialists and triathletes. I hope that helps. Any questions, just shout. Mark

@nootnoot1463

5 жыл бұрын

Mike Dickerson Mate you’re an ass. You’ve misunderstood multiple things throughout the video and then tried to seem intelligent whilst chatting shit. You’re wrong according to most knowledgeable/experienced riders about maintaining constant power and the video does give as definitive an answer as currently possible if you actually listen to it properly

@namcaunam5223

4 жыл бұрын

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@namcaunam5223

4 жыл бұрын

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they need to make a show on how to adjust the straps on their helmets to fit perfect. Looks terrible when the straps stands out like that under their chins.

@markthrelfall3577

5 жыл бұрын

They're side buckle

When I swim I do well in breaststroke but my breathing is really bad for front crawl I loose my breath really easily any tips ?

@robbybubble240

5 жыл бұрын

Eliot King maybe you should slow way down.. keep doing the front crawl, we all had the breathing problem in the beginning...

@gtn

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Eliot. We have made a video on breathing when swimming - search on our channel and give it a watch.

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Am i a total fool by suggesting that, if anything, on a flat course you should push your power 10-15 watts higher when you have a tailwind? My logic being this: assuming zero wind on a flat course the power required increases as a cube of velocity (in other words to double your speed it takes 8x as much power). Obviously in flat calm conditions a steady power in both directions will see the fastest time. However, assume a 20mph headwind in the first half of the course and a 20mph tailwind in the 2nd (not unusual here in Shetland!), if you set off trying to maintain say (for simplicity) a 20mph average speed, that combined with the 20mph headwind would effectively create a 40mph net headwind on the outward leg and would require 8x the power to maintain than if there was no wind at all. On the return leg you would be cruising with a rapid tailwind. Would you not be better holding it steady into the headwind, then gunning it when you have a tailwind where any increase in power will be translated more directly into increasing speed rather than overcoming air resistance? Is trying to up your speed into a strong headwind by increasing power not going to see a smaller relative increase in speed than if you increased your power by the same amount with a tailwind? Would it not be more efficient trying to keep the "net headwind speed" the same over both legs than average speed? I do however appreciate that the outward leg would take a LOT longer than the return leg, so any increase in speed on that part of the course would have an overall greater bearing on total time than the faster return leg. Just a thought anyway, its going to be a horrible experience whatever you do!

@fastasasloth

5 жыл бұрын

www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?/topic/101310-pacing-when-the-wind-is-really-strong/ Alex Simmons shows a nice worked example, approximately 20posts down page 1......

@grahamtibbot3329

5 жыл бұрын

I guess the problem with your method is that you’re not in the tailwind for as long, so you only get the benefit for a smaller proportion of your ride, and the slower you go in the headwind, the bigger chunk of the ride it becomes, so there must be some happpy medium in the middle. And what happens if the tailwind is so strong you run out of gears- I guess then go even harder into the headwind knowing you’ll get some rest on the back side

This would be helpfool 2 days ago.

@gtn

5 жыл бұрын

Did you compete in a windy race?

@freewheels7544

5 жыл бұрын

No , i was doing a chalenge on strava , hope i will not have head wind in a race next year.

"Math"?? Really Mark? I'm disappointed