How to Replace a Damaged Hall Sensor in an Ebike Hub Motor

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In this video Justin demonstrates the repair an eZee hub motor that had a damaged hall sensor as a result of an axle spinout. While it is shown on an eZee hub motor that has a hall sensor PCB, the process is more or less universal. It is even easier in cases where the hall sensors are glued just into the stator and connected with wires rather than a printed circuit board.
Hall sensor replacement is a fairly common repair process with ebike hub motors. The main reasons for hall chips becoming damaged include:
1) Exposure of the hall signal to high voltage (from axle spinout for instance)
2) Excessive motor stator temperature (usually evidenced by very dark copper wire too)
3) Water ingress damage (usually hall IC is OK, but the leads can be corroded)
4) Mechanical damage from a broken leg on the hall chip as a result of vibration
5) Physical scraping of the hall chip from poor mechanical tolerances or stator getting loose
In general, a motor with a damaged hall sensor can still be run without replacing the halls by using a motor controller that can operate in sensorless mode. This is our recommended option for most people as no opening or service of the motor is required. The only downside is that starting off from a dead standstill can be a bit jerky.

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  • @rickylakemusic
    @rickylakemusic2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks to you good folkes, I have successfully repaired my front hub motor. I had a burnt hall sensor and three wires that needed fixing. I watched this vid many times, used all your info, got parts from your advice and absolutely fixed it. The most difficult thing was soldering in the sensor but yet again I used your advice and laid the leads over and got her from the back... Worked like a charm. I'm mobile again.. You cats are great!!!!

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    Congrats for persisting! This kind of news always puts a smile on our face too.

  • @rickylakemusic

    @rickylakemusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@GrinTechnologies you guys saved me literally. my wallet is too flat to be able to pay a tech guy to fix it. You helped me to become my own tech guy, grow, learn and overcome an enormous obstacle. This is what your vid did.. thanks again. Rlspencer

  • @davidreynolds4563

    @davidreynolds4563

    2 жыл бұрын

    Can you tell me what scooter you had and error code. Have a fiat with a 01 error and won’t move. Searching for answers. Thanks

  • @solosailorsv8065
    @solosailorsv80652 жыл бұрын

    Thank You for supporting Right to Repair and consistently being COOL people !

  • @EricSauder
    @EricSauder Жыл бұрын

    This was so helpful! Repairing the hall sensors on my organic transit ELF. Thank you!

  • @MathieuThomachot
    @MathieuThomachot3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you soooo much for this great video. I am currently repairing a scooter for my neighbour. The scenario was just the same : no torque arm, twisted cable. I replaced the wire, but nothing. I checked the hall sensors and found one was faulty, and I was just wondering how to change them... until I found your excellent video 👍👌💪👏

  • @nicolarosano
    @nicolarosano2 жыл бұрын

    Love this. Thanks for this amazing video. Fixed my 500W hub motor. Gratitude

  • @user-zh6kj9kd5j
    @user-zh6kj9kd5j Жыл бұрын

    This guy is Wholesome

  • @fairulm4184
    @fairulm41848 ай бұрын

    Keep watching this video just to see his pure, organic laughter. Again n again

  • @ElectricBikeReview
    @ElectricBikeReview3 жыл бұрын

    Great video Justin! Thanks :D

  • @2Bikemad
    @2Bikemad3 жыл бұрын

    1:33 Most Hall sensor testing circuits that I've seen would only light the LED when the hall sensor pulls the signal wire low, therefore I would expect the corresponding LED to stay off continually rather than "staying lit up the whole time" if the signal wire was broken. 11:37 If you are using a separate magnet to check the Hall sensors on a direct drive motor with the stator removed from the hub, all three Hall sensors should be in the same state (all LEDs Off) before the magnet is introduced. The magnet may need to be reversed to confirm that the sensors also switch both high and low. Yet another very useful video that is eZee to follow and understand.

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey there, you are correct about the detail at 1:33. I realized that as I rewatched the video too, but most people will have a multimeter instead of an LED hall testor and their assumption would be that LED on = 5V so I think it's OK that this can slide... ;-) Thanks for the feedback.

  • @hydralizk6631

    @hydralizk6631

    3 жыл бұрын

    Grin Technologies I made this assumption! What do you think would be the reason for all three hall lines to give 5-4v even after I have completed an entire rotation backwards? Similar to the issue described in your video, one of my power lines shorted to the red hall line. When I press the throttle the wheel will jerk forward very slightly and only for a split second. As far as I can tell, my battery, 48v controller, and computer are all in good shape. Any insight would be appreciated, thank you!

  • @aziznaji9077

    @aziznaji9077

    8 ай бұрын

    are the honeywell ss41 sensors suitable for hub motor? Fatbike ouxi which sensors?

  • @ivanj0
    @ivanj0 Жыл бұрын

    Pure gold! Thanks for the video.

  • @Excaliburt
    @Excaliburt3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, Justin. I was able to successfully replace a hall sensor after watching this.

  • @lakaramsomwaru2508

    @lakaramsomwaru2508

    3 жыл бұрын

    Where can I find the haul sensor?

  • @paulstir

    @paulstir

    Жыл бұрын

    Robert can I just buy any hall sensor on Amazon to make my repair

  • @andrea3v
    @andrea3v Жыл бұрын

    Dude you saved me from a buying a new motor! Thanks so much!

  • @luismaldonado2964
    @luismaldonado29643 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your impressive video on this project and I hope that you will continue showing us more.... Especially on Hub Motors and maybe The Controller itself?

  • @hudsonsoul3259
    @hudsonsoul32593 жыл бұрын

    Good video, I've just replaced my hall sensors but awaiting the main power lead. Absolute pain getting the old sensors out as it was the same design as yours but yours came out with ease.

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    3 жыл бұрын

    I promise you it wasn't staged! We've definitely had cases where the hall IC needed to be gouged out with a pick rather than popping cleanly like this, and that's often the case when it's inset inside a right fitting slot in the stator laminations rather than just on the outside of them. Good luck with the rest of the repair.

  • @hudsonsoul3259

    @hudsonsoul3259

    3 жыл бұрын

    Grin Technologies power lead came and for some reason all sensors reads 4.8v constantly even when spinning the wheel. Not sure what's wrong, is it possible that l installed the wrong hall sensors as it stated it's for ebikes?

  • @otixtools

    @otixtools

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@GrinTechnologies sir.can i use 3144 unipoler hall sensor?

  • @iakovoscinematographer
    @iakovoscinematographer3 жыл бұрын

    I have rear motor twiching problem . The motor whenever it wants starts to spin a little and then stops. Sometimes the problem disappear. Is it faulty hall sensors? Does it have to to with one of the two controlers?

  • @TyouV
    @TyouV2 ай бұрын

    AWESOME EXPLANATIONS AND EVEN BETTER WITH THE LAUGHTER. !

  • @derekbaker8791
    @derekbaker87913 жыл бұрын

    Easy-peasy eh... A well done and informative video. Bonus points for the gag reel lol!

  • @IsraelH91
    @IsraelH91 Жыл бұрын

    Really awesome video. Appreciate you all

  • @neilm2033
    @neilm20332 жыл бұрын

    Wow, that is a great vid. You're a natural. Thank you.

  • @davidconey3665
    @davidconey36653 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant video and well explained....thanks

  • @1ming1
    @1ming13 жыл бұрын

    I have no voltage between the positive and negative circuit and the wires are good. Does that indicate a problem with the pcb?

  • @flipinjon7487
    @flipinjon7487 Жыл бұрын

    I've learned to solder before gluing in because you can always mess up on the soldering job and you have to retry sometimes and that's something else gets messed up in the process

  • @jayhernandez6812
    @jayhernandez6812Ай бұрын

    I have juiced hyperscrambler 2 need to fix hall sensor, but thinking just buy the rear hub motor with wheel and tires, do you guys sell this stuff for my juiced hyperscrambler 2

  • @Excaliburt
    @Excaliburt3 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating, thanks!

  • @PeterDiCapua
    @PeterDiCapua Жыл бұрын

    thank you for recommending the honeywell sensor....i had no idea what to get.

  • @hhead56
    @hhead563 жыл бұрын

    Well explained thanks.

  • @rickylakemusic
    @rickylakemusic2 жыл бұрын

    Hi again had trouble from the 1000 w, 48 v it cutting off after I fixed it. Tested using your technical support all tested good, ran fine off the floor sitting still. took away everything it could not be, until I was left with a possible bad connection of the 4-12v batts in series. I soldered all the crimped connectors and replaced a sketchy looking one as well. Also trimmed excess wire down for less resistance. Terminal-greased all the point to point contacts. Took it down the road for a short run. No cut out yet. Time will tell. Thanks fer letting me share..

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey There, sorry about the issues you're having. If they are Grin products write us at info at ebikes dot ca. If it is not we usually don't provide tech support. Otherwise best of luck.

  • @rickylakemusic

    @rickylakemusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@GrinTechnologies oh no I need your expertise and I AM PICKING ALL YOUR BRANES. pick my ebike wheel off the floor, it'll run for an hour, under load bike cuts off for two seconds, then attempts to run, but stops for two seconds and repeat. Checked everything I could think of of. What could it be?

  • @cara_ptor6669
    @cara_ptor6669 Жыл бұрын

    I have a damaged hall sensor on my e-scooter ducati pro 2, maybe you can give me an advice? It's à 10inch wheel, can I use à hall sensor from other size of wheel? Thank you

  • @Masees89
    @Masees892 жыл бұрын

    hello I have a problem with the speed that shown in display its not right speed and it between 0 and 99 and mostly shown 99 is the problem from Hall Sensors or from BLDC Controller??? help please

  • @davidreynolds4563
    @davidreynolds45632 жыл бұрын

    I have a fiat 500. It’s flashing 01 with beeping and the wrench. Is this the same? Very new to this. Thanks

  • @russellwilson5246
    @russellwilson5246 Жыл бұрын

    thanks...was there power to the hall sensor when you tested it with the molti metre?

  • @jesp999
    @jesp9993 жыл бұрын

    Im trying to diagnose my nanobot d4+ 2.0 scooter. This problem does not happen in the cold morning on my first ride but happens in middle of day when it is warmer. Im in NM. What happens is both motors cut out when I'm in dual mode and when i go full throttle, and also sometimes when i try to just accelerate quickly. when it cuts out i does not come back alive by simply backing off a little on the throttle but i have to totally go back to 0 or no throttle and then the motors start if i re-engage the throttle more gently incrementing the speed. It does not happen in single mode when in just rear hub drive. When in single mode i can press the throttle fully and as quickly as I like. If I think of the thumb throttle as a clock that goes clockwise from 12 to 6. it is at the 5 when the motors cut out. It also happens if i got from 12 to 3 very very quickly. I'm pretty techy and i can replace of fix most anything but I like to diagnose first. I did have an extra thumb throttle speed controller so i did decide to replace that (because a year ago i brew out its usb power port when making a dual charger for a camera i have) but changing that speed controller had no change in the symptoms. Do you think there is a short somewhere in the system on full power or is it a hall sensor. Is it overheating and the bms cutting out? There are two controllers in the scooter with a communication wire between them, could one of the controllers be off. Both motors shut off when this happens. What tests should i run to see where the problem is? I have opened up the scooter before because I silicone sealed everything to protect from water. but actually moved to NM where there is little rain and I do not ride it in mud or water anyway. Any help appreciated.

  • @scottsimpkins9993
    @scottsimpkins9993 Жыл бұрын

    Hi my Kugoo m4 pro motor making vibrating sound wen accelerate .. hall sensors on mine say 41f 001 I can’t seam to find one can you recommend a hall sensor number that will run with mine … thanks god vid too

  • @noearias2006
    @noearias2006 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video thank you from U S A CALIFORNIA

  • @finaritrarabary1040
    @finaritrarabary10403 жыл бұрын

    hello, how to use (connect) controller jyqd v7 3e without using hall sensor. thank's

  • @C-MoreFun
    @C-MoreFun11 ай бұрын

    Quick question, would it be possible to just get a sensor less controller or do those only work with sensor less hub motors ?

  • @karljakober
    @karljakober Жыл бұрын

    Good video! I may have to attempt this on my birdbike hall sensor

  • @kentgideon6079
    @kentgideon60792 жыл бұрын

    Hi I enjoyed your vide grt. Help I have tjb controller hooking up to 500 watt motor. 5 tiny wires come from motor where do I hook to controller

  • @yasseralmozein3526
    @yasseralmozein35263 жыл бұрын

    Do u know Hall sensor 41R 7qBG i can not finde it. Pls can u help me?

  • @seanie.tturrellturrell8195
    @seanie.tturrellturrell81952 жыл бұрын

    amazing!!! thank you for the help and sharing knowledge!!! sub’ed!

  • @bronks79
    @bronks795 ай бұрын

    Hi. Very good video👍 I have problem with my china scooter. I need replace hall sensor, but i can't exactly with the same number. The old one has description "61H 8647". Could you advice some equivalent ? Thank you very much.

  • @MrMoto948
    @MrMoto9483 жыл бұрын

    Try a bmc 600w. They used plenty of 1000 year epoxy on both sides. Thanks for the vid, pins to outside of the pcb will be a huge time saver, that is if I don't bugger it up.

  • @armenvegas
    @armenvegas3 жыл бұрын

    Was that a bipolar hall sensor or mono polar ss41 chip? Thanks

  • @cjstinson6802
    @cjstinson68023 жыл бұрын

    Hi - my father has what he thinks to be a similar problem with his hub motor, but this is beyond my or his level of expertise (!) Do you happen to have a recommendation on someone who works on these sort of issues in the Los Angeles area?

  • @maxtamcpherson8869
    @maxtamcpherson88693 жыл бұрын

    Hi just watched your video on the hall sensor replacement and its exactly what i needed . I just need to ask a question. When i connect the tester and spin the mangnets the blue flashes and the yellow but the green does not illuminate. I changed the wire over ( blue to green ) and the green illuminates which tella me the les bulb on the tester is fine but when i put them back to there correct connections on the tester it doesn't illuminate. You said in your video if it stays lit up then its the faulty one but what if it doesn't light up at all ? Can you advise.

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    3 жыл бұрын

    It is faulty too if it does not light up.

  • @Evexguru
    @Evexguru Жыл бұрын

    Sir please tell me how to select suitable hall effect sencer for bldc motor

  • @TheCraftyTech
    @TheCraftyTech2 жыл бұрын

    your the man! i by chance have the testing board and i have the ame blue hall issue lol

  • @bilderx25
    @bilderx25 Жыл бұрын

    hello looking for hall 502 f replacement, 2100w motor. will you help

  • @rickp7683
    @rickp76833 жыл бұрын

    I had the hub spins off the forks, the dropouts on my forks got so messed , only had 1 toque arm on it, now, I have 4 toque arms, 2 on each side and its working pretty damn good, so on my next ebike, samething, 4 toque arms, it's nothing nice when ur riding along and ur hub spins off, so I'm doing 2 toque arms on each side, total support,

  • @PhantasyGaming
    @PhantasyGaming3 жыл бұрын

    i have a ebike thats hall sensor went bad could you repair it and how much? @Grin Technologies

  • @michaeltorrance7167
    @michaeltorrance71672 жыл бұрын

    Hi there my e bike keeps cutting out when I try to go high speed even though my battery is fully charged can you help me

  • @DankDankPancake
    @DankDankPancake2 жыл бұрын

    I recently disassembled my hub motor and accidentally chipped the edge of a magnet. The chip is very small and does not effect the inside surface. I think it might just be the coating. Are there any precautions I should take to prevent further chipping once I reassemble the motor?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    Just avoid more impacts! A small chip won't have any effect on performance, but it does remove the protective nickel coating over the rare earth making the magnet more vulnerable to corrosion issues if it gets wet.

  • @claudedesaulniers2300
    @claudedesaulniers23003 жыл бұрын

    What setting did you use on your multimeter? How are you getting voltage if the battery is not connected?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    3 жыл бұрын

    Generally they would be tested with the battery plugged into the controller and the controller plugged into the motor so that the halls are indeed powered up.

  • @alanb76
    @alanb763 жыл бұрын

    Nice job!

  • @ianbrrws
    @ianbrrws2 жыл бұрын

    hi Justin thanks for the great video i learned a lot i have a ninebot mini pro i am converting to a wheelchair i had a guy do some welding on the frame while still attached to the ninebot but i think he didnt disconnect the battery so when i got it back when turned on it gives 3 bleeps/front lights then 9 very quick bleeps so 39 error [motor fault] tested both motors one was fine the other one two of the hall sensors dead causing a full short between pos and neg ,opened motor and replaced all 3 hall sensors with ss41and reversed polarity of the middle one ,then twisted it around to face the same way as the other two i could see two small burn marks on the magnets opposite the 2 sensors,also checked all the wires all ok built all back up but it is still doing the same 3 then 9 bleeps and turns off after about 20 seconds ,do you or anyone else think it could be that it blow something else as well like the small daughter board behind the on/off button as i have changed the main mother board and cant see any other boards ,i am handy with a meter and can follow instruction if anybody could help,i see you are in B C i am in ireland but 47 years ago i spent a while in Calgary loved it but the handbrake wouldnt stay [wife].

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately we don't really know anything about ninebot controllers and products. But what I would do is look at the actual hall sequence on your one working motor and see that the motor you replaced the halls in matches that for the sequencing. Flipping a hall upside down should only be done if you are sure that is required for either the 60 degree or 120 degree hall timing of the motors.

  • @amg5729
    @amg57293 жыл бұрын

    what glue do you use? greetings from Argentina

  • @electroscootermovilidadurb5101
    @electroscootermovilidadurb51013 жыл бұрын

    Buen video explicativo

  • @JonahHax
    @JonahHax Жыл бұрын

    What are you measuring on the multimeter?

  • @lindavincent1650
    @lindavincent1650 Жыл бұрын

    What kind of hall sensors 36/250 hub on a ancheer

  • @jesp999
    @jesp9993 жыл бұрын

    I have an older 400w brushed hub motor made in 2007 that is not working. is the process the same or similar for the hall sensors? I do not think its the brushes, but I shorted out the motor

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    3 жыл бұрын

    There isn't anything in this video that would apply to repairing a brushed DC motor unfortunately. A shorted motor would be very difficult to turn, so if it still rotates but just doesn't spin when powered up then it is much more likely a brush/commutator contact issue than a winding short.

  • @michaeltorrance7167
    @michaeltorrance71672 жыл бұрын

    Hi there what senses are the best ss41 or 41f

  • @paulstir
    @paulstir Жыл бұрын

    When changing these sensors can you mix match the sensors with replacement ones , are they different voltages , If 1 sensor is bad on the original can you just replace it with any you find on Amazon etc ?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    Жыл бұрын

    As long as it's the same nominal sensor type then it's no problem to mix and match from different vendors. It's rare someone would replace all 3 if just one is bad. There are many types of hall sensor IC's through, so using a unipolar sensor or an analog ouput hall sensor would not be wise!

  • @nacerpaul
    @nacerpaul Жыл бұрын

    can you make a video for the people that do have a hall sensor tester?

  • @Mash3OH3
    @Mash3OH39 ай бұрын

    I was told to de solder the twisting part. Where there motors aluminum wire is twisted with the copper. Is that a good thing to do? The plan is to yank out the harness to solder the torn up cables then re use them

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    9 ай бұрын

    There should not be any aluminum wire inside a hub motor we've heard of. Are you confusing tinned copper with aluminum?

  • @urbanpuma9136
    @urbanpuma9136 Жыл бұрын

    Great video. Could you tell me if I have a problem with my hall sensors. When I switch ebike tester on all 3 hall sensor lights come on, but when I rotate the wheel they toggle as normal. Is it working ok if initially all 3 lights display?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    Жыл бұрын

    That's odd but not knowning anything about your particular ebike tester we can't say. In general, with 120 degree hall timing you should always have at least one hall signal that is high, and one that is low, at every rotor position.

  • @jfeliciano15
    @jfeliciano153 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video! Do you guys do repairs in general or just for your products?

  • @micjon7620
    @micjon76202 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the informative video. I need to replace a hall sensor on my motor a ninebot 6.5" 350w. How important is that the part no. on the back of the sensor is matched because I can't seem match it. The no. is 4451 620. Can you advise me please. Thanks.

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's rarely that important. As long as it has the same pinout and signal polarity you'll be fine.

  • @simonjohnhinton1938
    @simonjohnhinton19388 ай бұрын

    Hi there a friend of mine has an engwe EP2 pro 750w that's covered 4000 miles and noticed over time the lack of pedal assistance and more pedal effort required. He's had the batteries checked and are fine. I'm just wondering if it's the hub motor wants greasing maybe friction or something else. He's at a bit of a loss atm

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    7 ай бұрын

    Well, it's definitely not hall sensor issues which is the subject of this video. It's also for sure not related to greasing. Hub motors do not require maintenance greasing and frictional losses here are totally imperceptible to motor performance. Hopefully your friend can get support from the person or company that sold him the ebike. (That is assuming that there is truly a quantified issue and not just a subjective opinion that it feels weaker, which may or may not be actually true.)

  • @mikego18753
    @mikego187533 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyable,well presented vid.I always have trouble understanding this type of testing ect,so,i can,t see where the voltage came from that you were reading on your meter,was the harness coupled to a battery?sorry for being a pest. Thanks.

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    3 жыл бұрын

    Normally you would have the motor cable plugged into a controller that was hooked up to a live battery, and that would energize the halls for doing the measurements. But in this video we had a stand-alone motor hall tester which has it's own internal 9V battery for that.

  • @weaverjoshuab
    @weaverjoshuab Жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @SkyGizmmo
    @SkyGizmmo8 ай бұрын

    So is 5 volt power coming from the hall tester?

  • @frankmcaleer9923
    @frankmcaleer99232 жыл бұрын

    Do you think it would be possible to run a shimano e8000 mid drive with an aftermarket controller? I'm on my forth motor and fed up with the poor reliability.

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes but it is quite an advanced skill set, so I'd build a few DIY ebikes from kits first in order to more fully understand all the components. And then if you still feel like retrofitting the controller in your Shimano ebike you'll at least be comfortable with the component landscape. Hooking up the 3 motor power leads to a sensorless BLDC motor controller and making the motor spin under throttle control is fairly straightforward, but there is very little chance that you'll be able to interface with the Shimano battery, torque sensor, and other electronics. Everything else about the setup about will likely need to be aftermarket as well.

  • @walidguendz9025
    @walidguendz90258 ай бұрын

    thank you for this wonderful video can you please give me the characteristics of the engine

  • @lassenielsen4340
    @lassenielsen43402 жыл бұрын

    hello again, i amtrying once more ...is the hall sensors you use difference if its a 24 volt battery or 36, or even higher

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    No it makes no difference what your pack voltage is, as the controllers only power the halls from their internal 5V supply.

  • @johngarcia8266
    @johngarcia8266Ай бұрын

    Please send me the link so I can order a controller for my AWD 2000watt dual motors.

  • @FilipRavn
    @FilipRavn Жыл бұрын

    Does anyone know if hall sensors are all the same, or if there are fundamental differences between branches/types. I have a different hub (BH Neocross bike) and I am unable to find out which hall sensor to get, or if it does not matter so much?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    Жыл бұрын

    All of the BLDC hub motors we have ever seen use the same style of bipolar hall IC and are fully interchangeable.

  • @FolinP
    @FolinP2 жыл бұрын

    hello what can I do in my case I have an ARIV Meld electric bike and my battery broke I can't find another battery to buy nor BMS - OPTIMUS BMS 12S BIONIX, you can do a readjustment to the engine and use it with another controller and a another battery? Thanks!

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    Welcome to the world of proprietary factory ebikes, ebikes.ca/getting-started/kits-vs-turnkey.html We recommend avoiding them in the first place, but if you are stuck in this situation in principle you can indeed do something like this if you have the right skill set kzread.info/dash/bejne/iZdssaytdrW7nso.html

  • @Shagwag_adventures
    @Shagwag_adventures Жыл бұрын

    Help! Do some motors have 4 hall sensors?? I see the three normal looking ones that are in between the magnets, but there is another 3 pin chip on the top of the circuit board that’s just laying low. For me that one is burnt up. What is it??

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    Жыл бұрын

    That is the wheel speed sensor

  • @claudedesaulniers2300
    @claudedesaulniers23003 жыл бұрын

    So, we can test the hall sensors without removing the motor, right ? We prob the wires at the controller right ? We turn the pedal to get the readings right ?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    3 жыл бұрын

    Correct, although if the failure is a result of a break in the wiring between the controller and the motor then this test wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and a failure inside the motor itself.

  • @shawnio
    @shawnio Жыл бұрын

    hey thanks fr the information, I have an ebike which powers up but the motor doesn''t power up, it still turns like you showed us I can feel the magnets enganging. what I wanted to know before I rip apart my bike, I was riding and my batteries were low but not too low, I had a screw come loose on my bike disc and it wedged my tire for a second, then my motor stopped working. can you explain what I could have done, do I need to rip it all apart, again lol thanks, good videos

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    Жыл бұрын

    I would check for damage on the wiring where the cable exits the axle first, and if nothing seems suspect there then open it up. Some motors have disk screw holes that go right through the shell and into the motor body, ie not blind holes, and we've seen cases where screws that were too long actually poked through and damaged the inside of the hub. We've also seen cases of blind screw holes where people used a screw that was too long and it punched right through the blind end of the hole to dislodge a piece of the diecast casing that then was loose inside the motor and caused damage.

  • @shawnio

    @shawnio

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GrinTechnologies the motor is in pristine shape, it;s a 500 watt continuous., do you think I could of killed the motor or thrown some sort of safety switch to prevent damage to the motor, the magnets seem to still be very strong when I turn the wheel so Im a lil confused, what would of happened of lets say a rock skipped up into your brake and cause alot of pressure on the motor. the second my wheel locked up I hit the brake, I was going like 12 km hr. its a fairly new bike and I take immaculate care of it. this always seems to happen at the beginning of the summer ride season for me,. I have the worst luck, it is not an EZ motor to deal with ;)

  • @Maxfan229
    @Maxfan2299 ай бұрын

    I have a question , I have a 48volt 1000watt ebike that the cord was cut and in replacing it the hall sensors broke off and 2 of the 3 were lost. Is it possible to order more and how do I know which ones it takes. the one I have is not marked.

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    9 ай бұрын

    Yes you can, but it's even easier not to bother replacing them and just run the motor sensorless. Honeywell SS41 is a popular motor hall IC, but there are hundreds of others that will work fine too.

  • @flitziblitzi5353
    @flitziblitzi5353 Жыл бұрын

    Hi I have a specific question for you. Maybe you can help me, I'm getting desperate. My blue hall sensor is broken and now I wanted to replace it but had to break it out because it was glued in too tightly. Now I don't know exactly if there are differences between the 41f Are Or are the sensors with 41 f designation all the same? Maybe I should replace all three at the same time, although the other two are okay? I have a 1000w 48v motor from the Kaabo Mantis e-scooter. I am grateful for any help 🙏

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    Жыл бұрын

    Most BLDC motors use the same type and style of bipolar hall sensor, so odds are it will work just fine.

  • @flitziblitzi5353

    @flitziblitzi5353

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GrinTechnologies Yes, it's done! 👌 I saw during the expansion that there are 61A Hall sensors in it. I soldered the Honeywell 41F in and everything works perfectly. Of course I changed all three.

  • @samuelparra9712
    @samuelparra9712 Жыл бұрын

    So how do you get the Hall tester to hook up to whatever motor I have? Do I have to solder a connector for the motor and tester?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    Жыл бұрын

    Yup, or use alligator clips.

  • @lassenielsen4340
    @lassenielsen43402 жыл бұрын

    cant you meassure the resistans in a hall sensor to figure out if its bad

  • @milestone_achiever4634
    @milestone_achiever46343 жыл бұрын

    Hi. Are you based in the U.S.? Do you have a bike shop? I have the same problem. My hub motor cables are ruined primarily because I have been riding without a torque arm. The rear hub motor twisted sometimes while I was riding and ruined the hub motor wires I had a very hard time finding a torque arm in bike stores

  • @Edrichmond

    @Edrichmond

    2 жыл бұрын

    Grin is located in British Columbia.

  • @dannybijvoet9850
    @dannybijvoet98503 жыл бұрын

    Awsome and very educative. I am wondering what if i have a bldc motor without hall sensors. Can you determine where i need to place all 3 sensors?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's not very easy to tell by just looking at a motor stator where you want to place the halls unfortunately. It's easy to space them all 120 degrees apart based on the magnet pitch but the absolute location of the first hallwould be tricky without knowing the winding deails. I would take a guess initially, then use a motor controller that shows the hall offset in degrees and then shift them to have your desired hall offset.

  • @dannybijvoet9850

    @dannybijvoet9850

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@GrinTechnologies Thanks alot! I will try your suggestions. Hope i can figure it out. Especialy the degrees. As the windings looks like a crazy ninja star/wood saw 6 toothed. 120degree Electric is 30 mechanical or am i wrong. Thanks!

  • @edgarmalanday3888
    @edgarmalanday3888 Жыл бұрын

    green - high 0.5v - low 0v blue - high 0.5v - low 0v yellow- 4.5v constant are my hall sensors deffective? i connected 5v in the red and black from cellphone charger.

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    Жыл бұрын

    You need to have a pull-up resistor to see the signals change properly. Looks like the yellow hall may be faulty and the green and blue are OK (once you pull them up to 5V via like a 10K resistor)

  • @amirhoseinkargar3733
    @amirhoseinkargar37339 күн бұрын

    hi . i got an foc controller and on motor side its got 5 wire hall harness but on controller side hall harness has 6 wires with white as extra and it has about 5-10V ...what could it be? rev or rpm sensor input or temp sensor?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    Күн бұрын

    The 6th wires is usually either a speed sensor (freewheeling geared motor) or a temperature sensor (Direct drive motor)

  • @charper1323
    @charper13232 жыл бұрын

    Hi I have a yose power hud motor trike attached to my wheelchair my hall effect green has blown but can't identify which type of sensor to buy as my one has no markings any advice please

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    The motor hall ICs are almost all the same and interchangeable. Honeywell SS41 is a popular model.

  • @charper1323

    @charper1323

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@GrinTechnologiesthank you so much for replying subed shared and will recommend your channel to all

  • @zico3239
    @zico32392 жыл бұрын

    my motor got really hot one day and lost power and cut offs .came back come and let it cool down .checked the wires in controller box notice 3 faze connector were melted .repaired it and connected them back .put it on the double stand to test the out comming the torque has reduced and the speed has increased and when it speeds up to some speed it cuts off and then contact on .have not open he hub yet but is there any body here to tell me what has been damaged ,regards

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most likely you have demagnetized the rotor magnets from the heat as well. Time for a new motor at that stage.

  • 2 ай бұрын

    my 2000w hub motor, says i go over 50 kmph but i go walk speed. i have 29 inch, and in setup set it to 29" if i put it on 26" it still shows more kmph then i actaly go.. and sometimes it does not show speed at all, then it says 00 kmph. what can be the problem ?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 ай бұрын

    Probably not the motor hall sensors, which is the subject of this video! If you are having problems with the display speed readings, your should talk to the vendor who sold the motor controller and display for support. They own the burden to resolve this for you no?

  • @KeigoMoriyama
    @KeigoMoriyama3 жыл бұрын

    Can you keep using it with the hall damaged? Or it will cause damages to the motor ?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes for sure, as long as the controller runs in sensorless mode then it would be fine to keep running it, but you'd want to disconnect the hall connector plug if the wire is actually shorted to one of the phase leads because that can put high voltage on the controller signals.

  • @KeigoMoriyama

    @KeigoMoriyama

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@GrinTechnologies really thank you for your answer

  • @nilsu6408
    @nilsu64082 жыл бұрын

    Can I just use normal glue to keep the black part of the hall sensor in place? Really don’t want to buy epoxy just to use one tiny drop.. thanks for the great video!

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yup. Epoxy has the secondary effect of being a nice encapsulant for the exposed leads. But just to hold the hall chip itself in place you could use almost anything that bonds to metal and plastic and can withstand motor core temperatures (ie >100oC)

  • @nilsu6408

    @nilsu6408

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@GrinTechnologies in my case the Leads were covered so I just reused the old tubes. I fixed my scooter today even though I’ve never used a soldering iron before and now it is working again. Thanks again for the great video.

  • @trevorjames5493
    @trevorjames54932 жыл бұрын

    So I'm about 99% sure that my problem was with this hall sensor so I got the proper ones from the guy that I bought the kit from that way I knew they were compatible I was about to buy a tester but he told me there's no point because the pins on the sensors have a blue weatherproof coating so I wouldn't be able to test to see which one was faulty so I just changed all three sensors thinking that would be best. now my question is, can I plug in the motor to the controller and battery to try the throttle and see if it's working or spinning while I have the motor still apart? just to see if it works or is it best to put it all together? I don't want to mess anything up but I'm pretty sure the soldering and everything went smoothly so I would just like to know if I could give it a quick test having the shell open before I seal it all up. Thank you very much for your time and information!

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 жыл бұрын

    We can recommend the Endless Sphere forum for inquiries as such! Definitely upload photos so people can assess what type of motor you're using. Running an open motor isn't usually advisable but if fastened properly in a vice, totally possible.

  • @anunakizz
    @anunakizz7 ай бұрын

    Que tan malo es usar un controlador DUAL MODE? O SENSORLESS?

  • @MrBizkit1003
    @MrBizkit1003Күн бұрын

    I have a rad power bike Rad Runner2, I'm not the world's greatest electrician,I'm waiting on my brother-in-law at the moment to help me diagnose My Hub issue whether it's the hall sensor or a couple burnt windings on the motor.but after replacing the speed controller twice, the wiring harness,and the Pas sensor.and both times I reassemble the bike and tried to see if it would work two of the plugs on the speed controller coming from The Hub were semi burnt scorched.waiting on my brother-in-law to come up from Fort Worth to Wichita Falls to watch this video right now so he can help me diagnose this Hub issue I have.but from all the videos I've seen and I've only watched halfway through this one I'm thinking it's more of maybe a burnt winding then it would be a hall sensor was curious as to what you might think would be the cause of burning out the plug from the Hub motor to the speed controller and leave it squirts like it has but.I will definitely let you know what my brother is able to deduce after watching this video

  • @kallistratiskollias7100
    @kallistratiskollias71002 ай бұрын

    Hi there. I have a question. The hall sensor must touch the magnets or it doesn't matter where you put the sensor?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    2 ай бұрын

    The location matters quite crititically since that determines the hall pattern and hall timing, so you want to replace them in the same spot, uness you REALLY know what you are doing in which case you could put them in any other location that results in the same effective hall transition point. They should be close to the magnets to reduce effect of stray fields, but obviously not touching.

  • @DumbleCash-
    @DumbleCash-4 ай бұрын

    How did you remove The Black case On to reveal the inside of the motor?

  • @GrinTechnologies

    @GrinTechnologies

    4 ай бұрын

    The side plate screws are removed with a screw driver or impact driver if they are quite tight, and then the hub just opens up.

  • @deanwaynelyons6050
    @deanwaynelyons6050 Жыл бұрын

    Where are you located I need mine to fix

  • @marlonpape8870
    @marlonpape88703 жыл бұрын

    I also have an e bike gazelle motor 36 volt Hall sensor burnt down Online of hall sensor type A82L Can't be found Can I use another If so which one Thanks

  • @brettschacher8644

    @brettschacher8644

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you can find a spec sheet for the old halls, try to find one that has the same or close specs. There are ratiometric , linear sensors and digital sensors. The best thing to do would be to replace all of them with matching part #s. and use the same type of sensors that is original so everything continues to work right with the controller. Be sure you get the pin connections right also with the replacements.

  • @marlonpape8870

    @marlonpape8870

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@brettschacher8644 thank you i find the hall sensor 3x SS466A SENSOR, HALL EFFECT HONEYWELL are the same are better than the old ones but thanks anyway for your information is very useful

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