"Leto's Joker: a normal person trying to act crazy. Phoenix's Joker: a crazy person trying to act normal."

@swampfaye

4 жыл бұрын

ftw

@valtontony826

4 жыл бұрын

Why is Phoenix crazy?

@swampfaye

4 жыл бұрын

@@valtontony826 I guess you never read about how he and River were raised in a "commune" and LA/ Hollywood pedophilia seems normal by comparison.

@TheNinthGenerarion

4 жыл бұрын

XALTONY 13666 well he focused on researching how people act with the specific mental conditions and the side effects of the medications. He studied how people act in those conditions instead of sending pigs and condoms to his costars

@jamal_khan

4 жыл бұрын

That was gold.

I see jokers as the reflection of their era. From funny weird period of experimental cinema, to the boom of the 80s, to the terror of terrorism all the way to the problems created by social media.

@sharilshahed6106

4 жыл бұрын

Even Leto as he portrays a pretentious edgelord of an iconic role.

@videovoidtv

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t attach Phoenix’s Joker to social media at all. But I think you have a solid point. Only isolation and mental distress existed way before Twitter.

@oneaboveall4203

4 жыл бұрын

VideoVoid TV Yeah same I would say more of the awareness of mental health in general

@IlSH2

4 жыл бұрын

then you'll be reducting it and simplify, not to mention being very wrong by diving eras with subketive performances

@lennartvandervelden1093

4 жыл бұрын

@@videovoidtv I think the fact that he was mocked on that talk show does reflect on social media, and the way we all like to laugh at videos of people screwing up. I think that's why they even put it in, even though it's borderline anachronistic to have a first-time performance of a total stranger filmed in the time Joker was set.

Personally, I've always wanted to see what Willem Dafoe would do with the role.

@acadia5898

4 жыл бұрын

i'm imagining him in his funny and iconic nasally Dafoe voice. he has an odd voice, that legend

@SPSax4

4 жыл бұрын

I think he would have been a good Joker

@JasmineGeminiDragon

4 жыл бұрын

We were robbed. He would have been brilliant in Suicide Squad

@noehernandez6373

4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@Goodbrew84

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like we got a taste with Spider-man.

How to portray the Joker: Make sure to have Mark Hamil on speed dial

@TheSimmus

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for mentioning to one true classic Joker.

@salchichadegrasa

4 жыл бұрын

Eh🤷‍♂️

@LzysGraphics

4 жыл бұрын

TheSimmus the video did mention him, they were don't focusing on the movie renditions

@The482075

4 жыл бұрын

Well Mark is no longer playing Luke Skywalker.

@rogerpayne2714

4 жыл бұрын

He's the funniest Joker as well. I would love to see a mix of a Hamil over the top and funny Joker and the dark serious Joker seen played by Leger and Phenix both did great as Joker but imo the best Joker would have to be both dark yet funny as well.

Step 1: Live in a society

@darellarocho5729

4 жыл бұрын

We already do, next?

@miguelruiz6575

4 жыл бұрын

@@darellarocho5729 Step 2: Bottom text.

@escapefromtibet2530

4 жыл бұрын

This post was made by GangWeed

@Datharass

4 жыл бұрын

@@miguelruiz6575 Step 3: ?????

@headlesshunter8435

4 жыл бұрын

Step 4: profit

The best thing about Phoenix's performance was his physicality, the way he moved was very correct to how I imagine the Joker Moves.

@AdrianoSakaguchi

4 жыл бұрын

The way he always runs like he is wearing clown shoes (even when he isn't) was brilliant to me

@Glornak

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty much. Nearly all his actions, from movement to speech, actually make him seem crazy and unpredictable rather than most other portrayals where he just seems evil.

@catwearingshades

4 жыл бұрын

Spyro Fan yeah the physicality is overlooked, the way he ran wand walked and danced as Arthur then Joker was brilliant

@RoxyCherryRozy

4 жыл бұрын

@@Glornak Just jow a mentally ill person would act, all awkward. But Joker isnt insane, nor awkward actually.

@jeremiahkwenda9472

4 жыл бұрын

Katelyn Miravoska he is insane be it criminally or mentally

It’s amazing how Batman has a singular origin: parents get shot, pearls, blah blah blah. But the Joker has no distinct origin. He’s just there.

@johnnycakemusic4069

4 жыл бұрын

"if i'm going to have a past, i prefer it to be multiple choice"

@micmaliss

4 жыл бұрын

That is what Nolan expounded on during his creation of the Clown Prince. Nolan referred to him as an absolute.

@WNB6039

4 жыл бұрын

@@micmaliss Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

@micmaliss

4 жыл бұрын

@@WNB6039 Yoda: Then a Sith The Joker be must.

@dyanpierce

4 жыл бұрын

Which was why Ledger's portrayal was so great. Because he came out of nowhere. Like he was SUPPOSED TO.

The fact that every host on here talks with exactly the same tone and cadence kinda freaks me out

@KuroNoTenno

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe they are all Jared.

@bigstunna2049

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr it's like they're Jared's disciples

@ChrisEIB

4 жыл бұрын

The Knights of Jared

@SLCtica

4 жыл бұрын

Voltaire Slapadelic this is the pinnacle of mk ultra

@SlapadelicMusic

4 жыл бұрын

*every wisecrack host, in chorus* WE ARE JARED. WE ARE WISECRACK.

Joker unlike few comic book villains is so iconic and identifiable, yet so malleable. It's amazing how many versions of the same character we've been getting for about 70 years, and he still remains new and fresh. From the goofy to the unhinged psychopath, there's an entire spectrum of what the Joker can be. My personal preference remains Ledger's Joker as I believe he brought the most novelty to the character.

@Death13Horseman

4 жыл бұрын

@@thotslayer9914 That's the thing! there are no wrong answers here(except Leto). Each iteration of the joker feels unique despite being the same character.

@Glornak

4 жыл бұрын

Ledger is my least favorite Joker. He didn't seem insane at all and just regular evil. Joker is best when he comes up with insane solutions that nobody would think of to society's "problems" or just weird crap to mess with Batman. Like shooting a douchy TV host who on air to show people it's ok to stand up for yourself no matter who you have to kill. What a batshit crazy move yea? Meanwhile Ledger's Joker actions are closer to your average villain from darker movies. Put bombs on two boats with detonators to each others boats to test the morality of people? Sounds like the bad guy from Seven, Saw, et cetera, et cetera

@Glornak

4 жыл бұрын

@@antona.1327 You can speak your opinion about ledger joker and so can I. A few actions that are unhinged does not an insane person make. He spent most of the movie making calculated murder traps with an overarching purpose. Something only a sane person could do. We don't have to agree. But being a sociopathic murderer doesn't necessarily mean your insane. John Deo and Jigsaw were simply violent sociopaths.

@antona.1327

4 жыл бұрын

​@@Glornak, no, if your opinion on Ledger's Joker is full of fallacies, I have every right to point that out if I can objectively find something wrong with it. Which I did. You know nothing about insanity. First of all, Ledger's Joker doesn't take few actions that are unhinged. Every action he takes is motivated by a sick and twisted mind. He dresses up like an insane person clamoring for attention. He has sudden outbursts of unmotivated frustration. He's interested in throwing people into a conflict and see how they react. He murders people for delight. He has schizophrenic and absurd idea of how the world is. That is insane. Second of all, I'm sorry, but how exactly being smart and good at planning is an oxymoron to being insane? Insanity isn't some mental version of a flue that gets only on stupid people. A person can be a genius, think rationally on occasion, yet still be insane. Pythagoras was insane. Tesla was insane. Howard Hughes was insane. John Forbes Nash Jr. was insane. Third of all, murdering innocent people out of some absurd, made-up justification is insane. Jon Doe was killing people based on Seven Deadly Sins. He also willingly gave up to authorities and encouraged one of the detectives who was on his case to kill him by telling him about the murdering his pregnant wife. "Simply violent socipath" doesn't cover all the things he's done. Especially when sociopathy - or anti-social disorder - is a form of mental illness too.

@Glornak

4 жыл бұрын

@@antona.1327 Ah. You literally don't understand what Insane means then. Violence and extreme anti social behavior doesn't make you insane. It makes you a sociopath or a psychopath. Insanity is a broad term for someone who doesn't have a grip on reality. Like seeing things that don't exist or thinking someone's happy when they're screaming in pain. All those people you listed and Ledger Joker all had a firm grasp on their actions and understood what would happen as a result of them. An old guy with dementia? Technically insane. Joker planting a bomb as a public morality test? That displays an understanding of the consequences of his actions, and importantly the consequences of others actions, since he's clearly aware his bombs would kill and he's aware that the people on the boats will potentially kill to save themselves which is why he gave them detonator as part of his very calculated experiment. Ledger Joker isn't insane. He's a sociopath.

Short answer: not what Jared Leto did

@TheInselaffen

4 жыл бұрын

Agreeed. He wasn't the focus of the movie and tried very hard with what he was given.

@michaelfarthing8916

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair he got shafted from the amounts of the script changes and cuts from his character. What we saw was only a fraction of Letos performance which in it's entirety might have been a great joker to see.

@Glornak

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think Leto's portrayal was bad at all. His portrayal was of a realistic Joker just like Phoenix's portrayal. Though Leto played more into the almost completely insane criminal leader whose actions are mostly on impulse. An overwhelming majority of people hated it because he was part of the C plot and his backstory was cut and never explained anything. That and people hated him just because he didn't look anything like his comic counterparts. The ACTUAL problem with Suicide Squad Joker is that he's a realistic version of Joker who's in a super anti-hero movie which makes his character weak and mostly useless compared to the main cast.

@sharilshahed6106

4 жыл бұрын

@@Glornak his portrayal was a pretentious trash, no amount of script or B-plot excuse can justify it. Comparing him to other Jokers in this list is just missing what they did right and just blindly trying to rope into it.

@Glornak

4 жыл бұрын

@@sharilshahed6106 It's ironic that you say "missing what they did right" as if I said other jokers were awful or something while you completely ignore what Leto Joker did right.

*1989:* Joker fell into the vats of chemicals that disfigured him and went insane. *2019:* Joker got thrown into the society and he had enough.

@acadia5898

4 жыл бұрын

you sound like Coldsteel The Hedgeheg. you woke boi!

@cnseref1328

4 жыл бұрын

You made me giggle in a painful way

@DanielCruz-ol4sw

4 жыл бұрын

phq81 L just

@romeoromero9612

4 жыл бұрын

Ig he got what he deserved

@atmo-sphere6799

4 жыл бұрын

*2049:* Joker got pulled out of his mother's womb.

Heath, Hamil and Phoenix were the best

@Benjy1128

4 жыл бұрын

Let's talk uncontroversial opinions. I mean, you're right. But everyone on God's green Earth agrees with this.

@YoruSensei

4 жыл бұрын

cameron monaghan in gotham was awesome too

@superitgel1

4 жыл бұрын

Conrad Veidt was the best Joker.

@terrenceharris-hughes4436

4 жыл бұрын

@@superitgel1 what movie is he from

@superitgel1

4 жыл бұрын

@@terrenceharris-hughes4436 The Man Who Laughs

"You'll never have a clumsy, tongue tied James Bond for instance" Just wait.

@dlobelow760

4 жыл бұрын

The day we do is the day the world attains peace

@darwinxavier3516

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, look what they did to Lex Luthor...I mean Lex Jr. Actually I'm surprised no one has tried already. There was a time when Hollywood was apparently obsessed with the bumbling, tongue tied Hugh Grant type of British guy as if it was the flavor of the month.

@Tmanowns

4 жыл бұрын

@@darwinxavier3516 I liked Lex being a Zuckerberg type. Made sense for the modern day, as those tech billionaires are the new, hyper controlling and overreaching powerful business men.

@darthralin

4 жыл бұрын

No need to wait. Casino Royale (1967) has James "Jimmy" Bond, played by Woody Allen.

@WhaleManMan

4 жыл бұрын

I assume you subscribe to a lot of videos about Hollywood "becoming cucked" or something.

By making sure you announce “I’m the joker baby”

Phoenix's Joker isn't an anti-hero, he's an anti-villain.

@ViktorEBoss

4 жыл бұрын

Anti-Villain 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿Yes 🙂Never thought of that

@Peanutjoepap24

4 жыл бұрын

Structurally in the film he is an anti-hero, but as a character, yes I’d say he is an anti-villain.

@Gadget-Walkmen

4 жыл бұрын

he's a villian through out. Nothing he's done in the film can even be seen as good intention in any way,

@realar

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gadget-Walkmen The point they are getting at is he doesn't want to be seen as evil, which makes a sympathetic character.

@Gadget-Walkmen

4 жыл бұрын

@@realar most villians don't see themselves as evil, just stuff that which that they gotta do. And there are plenty of sympathetic villians like mr freeze and darth vader but that doesn't make their actions any less evil or rather pure evil. An anti villian would be someone with good intentions and heroic goals but the process off trying to get there is villianous like ozymandias from watchmen or grifffth from berserk.

How to portray the Joker? *Phoenix to Leto *You wouldn’t get it*

@terrenceharris-hughes4436

4 жыл бұрын

Phoenix was clearly better but Leto only had like 15 minutes of screen time. I don't think his contract said they were going to cut his scenes and the character design wasn't his idea

@azure7687

4 жыл бұрын

Terrible meme format.

@azure7687

4 жыл бұрын

But efficient lol

@azure7687

4 жыл бұрын

But also lacking any life. It’s a dead meme!

@azure7687

4 жыл бұрын

The dead meme is the format itself

" If it was me dying on the sidewalk you'd walk right over me" -Joker

I think we tend to forget Jack Nicholson's amazing portrayal of the joker when we have been bombarded with extremely good actors such as Ledger and Phoenix playing the iconic villain. I applaud Mr Nicholson for being the first one to portray the Joker in a psychotic way, you sir did a fine job!

15:46 “He presented himself in a sorta power pose” Literally T-Pose to assert dominance

Heath ledger joker: a man to be feared and to understand this nihilistic view on humanity Joaquin Phoenix joker: a man to feel sympathy towards and understand how he fell into insanity Jared Leto joker: a man to cringe at and understand how bad of a joker he was lol

@amirmiroo55

4 жыл бұрын

lol

Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix's portrayals were the best Jokers by a landslide. Jared Leto's, on the other hand, barely even qualifies.

@dallyink7412

4 жыл бұрын

They are the best _performances_ and _characters_ for their films while ironically being the worst Jokers.

@ammaranuar2544

4 жыл бұрын

I think Jared Leto's Joker gets too much shit than what he really deserved. Personally, he did a decent job. Sure, he was poorly written but he portrayed an interpretation of Joker that was modern and fitted with the world of the 21st century. He's the modern version of Cesar Romero but poorly written. If he had a better script (and better costumes), he could go head to head with Jack Nicholson's Joker.

@a.g1796

4 жыл бұрын

Cameron Monaghan and Mark Hamill are up there

"Four and a half" portrayals? Ouch. But, yes. The Leto Joker 100% deserves that burn.

@yehonatanabutbul2358

4 жыл бұрын

I think they said it becuz he was barely in the movie.

@alexsilva28

4 жыл бұрын

@@yehonatanabutbul2358 That too

@MrThat0neperson

4 жыл бұрын

Not completely his fault though with how much of his footage was cut. Not defending him as having been good, but there was more than what we were shown that could have maybe made him slightly better.

@jenniferschillig3768

4 жыл бұрын

Heh. My friend Alan and I were watching the Oscars the night Suicide Squad won for costume design. (Also the night of the infamous Best Picture mix-up.) Alan's response: "They made the most sinister villain in the DC universe look like a Hot Topic employee, for f--k's sake! THAT deserves an Oscar?!"

Joaquin Phoenix's interpretation delved into the psychology of the character, Heath Ledger's version explored the philosophy that the character represents, Jack Nicholson's take showcased the character's dark humor; but Mark Hamill portrayed every aspect of the Joker over the course of decades.

@jazzyjaz9108

4 жыл бұрын

Leto explored the sexiness of the joker

@shiranuiaensland1442

4 жыл бұрын

@@jazzyjaz9108 More like the obnoxiousness of the Joker.

@lynntaylor9681

4 жыл бұрын

Hamill is and will always be the best Joker.

When you read The Joker as he appears in the comics the core aspects of his character are his twisted worldview, his narcissism and his absolute glee in creating mayhem. Romero's version kind of skims over those aspects because he took on the part when the character was seen as merely a prankster due to the comics being watered down after the introduction of the Comics Code Authority. Nicholson's Joker is absolutely en pointe and portrays the darker aspects that were working their way back into the comics with stories like The Killing Joke. Ledger's is probably the one that strays the furthest from the characters roots visually but the performance, again, reflects the comics in the way that in the early 2000s the stories and characters had become more grisly. Leto's Joker has more in common with the original version of the character who was basically made up like a quirky gangster. Leto's Joker is vain, twisted and attempts to be charismatic but only succeeds in being off-putting (which is what a person like that would be in real life). But Phoenix has created a perfect, grounded version that we can relate to. When he transitions from Arthur into Joker you see that narcissism, the twisted sense of humour and the glee in the mayhem he creates. He doesn't care about sending a message (like Ledger) or becoming a master criminal (like Leto and Nicholson), he only cares about the power that he gains from destroying his inhibitions and going wild.

@schoolfreak32

4 жыл бұрын

That is exactly how I see Leto's version, where "criminality" is just the most notorious form of celebrity. That "The Joker" is the biggest fish is Gotham's "gangsta" pond. In terms of narcissistic chaos, insanity is the Joker's schtick, "gentleman criminal" is the Penguin's (the reason for the tuxedo or "penguin suit"), Two-Face's coin toss (and Harvey Dent's "Lawful Good"), Poison Ivy's sexuality, the Riddler's "I AM SMARTER THAN YOU!", and maybe even "Dr. Harleen Quinzel, MD" with her original attempt to use forensic psychiatry in the pursuit of pop psychology stardom (e.g. Dr Oz, Dr Phil).

Heath Ledger is the defining joker. As for the best one, it's either him or Phoenix. I think it's Phoenix, but I can see myself changing my mind

The way I see it: Joaquin Phoenix is the best character whereas Ledger is the best villain. My 'canon' is that Phoenix's joker evolved and became Ledger like 10 years later, after extensive suffering and character development, molding his unique anarchist and nihilistic philosophy. Ps: obviously Hamill is in a class of his own, but he's not live-action unfortunately

@markborishnikoff5485

4 жыл бұрын

That's how i feel, though i like Phoenix more.

@newperve

4 жыл бұрын

Heath Ledger's Joker was not nihilistic. He says he is but the Joker is about as reliable a narrator as Keyser Solze. He clearly has a plan and it worked. He got rid of the mafia in a way Batman never could. Hee was the hero Gotham needed.

@jokervsbatman5746

4 жыл бұрын

Joaquin Phoenix is the best joker

@RictusHolloweye

4 жыл бұрын

I like to consider them separate, mainly because of a fan theory about Ledger's Joker being ex-military that just seems to fit. I like to imagine Phoenix as the first Joker, and Ledger as someone who assumed the mantle in order to make a statement.

@chuckhoyle1211

4 жыл бұрын

@@newperve Bingo. I am not a comic book person so I can't speak to that side of the character, but nearly every cinematic Joker is not insane (I have not seen Joker yet so I can't speak to that portrayal). Insane people do not attract large devoted followings because they are unreliable and wildly inconsistent. Leto actually comes closest to a truly insane person in that he is wildly unpredictable and inconsistent to how he reacts to situations. Ledger and Nicholson are not. They have a veneer of "crazy" they use to conceal very methodical and ruthless ways of operating.

Ironically, Leto was probably the perfect Joker for that movie. A better portrayal would have been jarring.

@sharilshahed6106

4 жыл бұрын

Lets see his Joker again, shall we? A perfect portrayal of hollywood's oversaturation of character or concepts these days made for cashgrab and without giving any thoughts, just some half baked excuse and "khamik bhuuk aquerasyy" and some flashy shots. The only "ironically"s being its done in a non-parody movie, with obvious results, and people actually dumb enough to not only buy into that, but call it perfect. TLDR: Leto's joker sucks and so do you and your upvoters if you're not being sarcastic about thinking he's anywhere perfect.

@tyrant-den884

4 жыл бұрын

@@sharilshahed6106 mine was really more of a "how to survive Leto Joker" than an actual endorsement of his performance. And I was thinking of him more as a guy trying to imitate the Joker rather than embrace his own image; just grabbing some popular traits and trying to be edgy.

@chrismann9585

4 жыл бұрын

You're right - shitty Joker for a shitty movie

Mark Hamill is the closest you’re gunna get to perfection, I know he only voice acts the role but the enthusiasm he puts into it raises him above the others. I feel the others are good/bad based on variables such as writing and direction.

@demonman905

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. Personally, I feel like if Mark Hamil lost some weight, he could easily play a Joker who's getting on in years , maybe after decades of fighting the Caped Crusader.

@KravenErgeist

4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see Mark Hamill perform a live action Joker, even at his age.

@sign543

4 жыл бұрын

kevin perry - I agree that Hamill’s portrayal is genius; I just never liked the British accent they gave him. But...Mark’s voice acting is pure genius.

@darwinxavier3516

4 жыл бұрын

And for a short time, TAS Joker was the most terrifying version. Ya know, before they revamped the animation style to fit more with Superman TAS.

@AliceWolf

4 жыл бұрын

I have to disagree, the Joker in Gotham is perfection. Ginger Star Wars guy whose name I'm too lazy to look up, nails the balance of Jokers seriousness and playfullness perfectly.

Jared Leto: how to portray the Joker? Phoenix: ... you wouldn’t get it...

Whoever keeps giving Helen more episodes to do, I salute you. Much appreciated.

Jack was good but he could have been crazier like how he was in the Shining

@terrenceharris-hughes4436

4 жыл бұрын

@Christian Tompkins true but Joker is aggressive

@JR-sx3gl

4 жыл бұрын

As a child I was afraid of his Joker

@Nikk-Astyr

4 жыл бұрын

@@JR-sx3gl Me too. The shot of his corpse will be forever etched to my memory

@efestus5

4 жыл бұрын

I never liked his fake smile honestly

@Wazzen563

4 жыл бұрын

@@terrenceharris-hughes4436 Some portrayals are, some aren't. He's a flexible character.

Basically they’re all unique and awesome... ....less so Leto. 😕

@alansunter2383

4 жыл бұрын

Even Leto.

@ryne_1685

4 жыл бұрын

Lathan-Kyle 22 I didn’t think he was good or bad. He had a large role to fill

@sharilshahed6106

4 жыл бұрын

@@alansunter2383 awsome trash that is.

@fa2lemuelm2

4 жыл бұрын

Leto was definitely... unique

@Maggbba

4 жыл бұрын

He was pure garbage. No subtlety no nothing. Just an edgy piece of crap wannabe.

What makes Phoenix’s rendition incredible is how human he is. From him we can understand the Joker, understand the chaos, understand that he’s not just evil for the sake of being evil. We make the same realization as he does that the world has turned its back. If he were to join the dceu I could see myself rooting for him.

How could you forget "I'm the Joker baby!" Joker smh. Truly a master of the craft

@ndumisomsomi9053

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha...Leto said that?

@cary7261

4 жыл бұрын

@@ndumisomsomi9053 no, not Jaret Leto.. it was god himself

Cinema has certainly changed over the years. In the early years, you'd see these big, bombastic characters and now most are very withdrawn with subtle movements and careful dialogue. Because angles have moved closer actors now have to do more with less. Goes to show why everyone loves Mark Hamill's Joker so much. He's able to play the role without the benefits of being on camera. No small gestures, no facial tells. It's all in his voice.

I'd love to see Romero's joker antics in a grim dark setting to show how depraved and out there he is.

For me it goes something like this. Mark Hamill will always be the voice of the Joker to me, but Ledger will always be the face of the Joker, but Phoenix, Phoenix would probably be the heart of the Joker if that makes any sense. Honestly I never cared if the Joker had an ambiguous backstory. Having one that was clearly defined didn't detract from the character for me. For the longest time, I just assumed the Killing Joke's take was the definitive backstory and I was fine with that. Though part of me wishes that people would essentially take the Joaquin Phoenix portrayal and make that the canonical backstory, because to me it's more interesting than just a sociopathic clown with an ambiguous background. Perhaps it has something to do with my view of evil as a sort of tragedy. I don't know if I'm alone in this, but I always consider acts of evil or evil people in some sense tragic. It didn't need to turn out this way and it yet it did. Of course I'm also influenced by various religious schools of thought which view evil of any sort as a type of self inflicted hell. Frankly if someone could combine the best of those three performances into one, I think you would have the perfect portrayal. Pain, menace, and over the top theatricality with a heavy dose of the comedic trickster. Also this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I was actually quite entertained by Leto's joker. Was it my favorite performance? No, but I think his gets too much hate. I consider it to be the Nickelback of performances. Not the greatest thing ever, but over hated, and not as bad as people like to think. People just hate it because for some reason it's popular to hate it when in fact, there's so much worse stuff out there more deserving of that ire. *coughs* the majority of popular trap music, a lot of mainstream EDM, boy bands, and Brokencyde *coughs* Anyway... I'd probably go so far as to say that Caesar Romero's Joker is my least favorite. It's just too innocent and campy in the wrong way. Sure it has it's charm, but to me, he will always be out shined by Hamill (which I think should be remembered as one of the finest moments in voice acting), Ledger, and Phoenix's performances in particular.

@vynonyoutube1418

4 жыл бұрын

About the Joker's backstory and real identity, the thing is that whenever he talks about his past, he gives out contradictory backstories, as he likes his backstory to be "multiple-choice". And even with "true" backstories like the Killing Joke one or the Joker 2019 one, some media implies or even flat out confirms that some canons have more than one Joker on the loose (Darkseid War for example has Batman using the Mobius Chair to find out the Joker's real identity and he learns that there's not one, not two, but three Jokers out there). The Joker isn't just one person, he's an embodiment of madness that can possibly appear in anyone prone to becoming like him.

@carbon.the.christ5626

4 жыл бұрын

@@vynonyoutube1418 this lends to my theory that Heaths Joker was a schizophrenic. He is one person,who suffers from some delusion. But is still incredibly intelligent and able to point out the truth as well. Many mentally ill people are more complex and sane then people give them credit for. There is often truth behind what they are saying,but the insanity of their actions or other things they say causes you to write them off completely. Shcizophrenia explains so many intracacies of Ledgers character

@romulo560

4 жыл бұрын

Lol Boy bands Lol

Is it part of the Wisecrack brand for everyone to talk/speak the same way as Jared?

@Goodbrew84

4 жыл бұрын

One of the reasons I really like this channel is their ability to have both diversity and consistency.

@CLNDSTNStudio

4 жыл бұрын

the way you sound in videos comes from writing not speaking... probably the same writer...

@SilkeRiesle

4 жыл бұрын

I feel the same... they use the same entonations and accentuations... it is a bit annoying to be honest.

@HudaefCares

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I thought I was the only one kinda bothered by that. She kinda feels artificial because of that. Btw I'm your 69th like. Noice.

@artypyrec4186

4 жыл бұрын

I think since it's scripted, since the host changes but the writers stay the same.

For me, the most iconic joker of all time is Mark Hamil's

@jokervsbatman5746

4 жыл бұрын

No for me Joaquin Phoenix

@MsDavidmartineZZ

4 жыл бұрын

There is no doubt Joaquin Phoenix did an amazing job in the movie, but Mark Hamil's playful and demonic personification of the joker added to the consistency he provided in every work(the animated series, the animated movies and the Arkham games) proves that his joker is the most accurate interpretation of the villain based on comic books. I think that makes him the most iconic joker yet.

@valtontony826

4 жыл бұрын

He isn't even live action

Mark Hamill was left out because he's the Joker and they're looking at portrayals of him

“No spoilers” Literally tells you the entire plot if Joker.

@ydna

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen it, but I'm gonna assume the movie shows a guy become the joker

No talk of Mark Hamil? That's criminal in my book.

I love Cesar Romero’s refusal to shave his mustache. That’s one of the most joker things ever.

to see all five performances back to back and to not only discuss the differences between the actors but the way they were filmed was superb top notch video guys well done!

The Joker as a social critique is what seems to be most popular nowadays, but my favorite depiction of the character will always be the non-sympathetic narcisstic vaudevillian monster who, like Daffy Duck, basically does crimes for attention and ego. Which is why Hamill, Nicholson and Romero gave my favorite portrayals of the character.

Wisecrack: So let's find out who the definitive Joker is. *YAY!* Wisecrack: Excluding Mark Hamill. *BOO!*

Leto: Send used condoms to your costars....right??....right??

@JasmineGeminiDragon

4 жыл бұрын

Costars: Damn... I really miss Heath. Margo: Especially me...

@dallyink7412

4 жыл бұрын

There was more life in those condoms than in his entire performance.

@JasmineGeminiDragon

4 жыл бұрын

@@dallyink7412 wait.... What? What does that even mean?

@chrismann9585

4 жыл бұрын

@@JasmineGeminiDragon i believe he meant semen

"Don't worry- there's no spoilers ahead" *casually spoils the climax of the most recent movie*

More of her please. Her voice and presentation style is excellent.

@SwordsmanRyan

2 жыл бұрын

I’m loving Helen’s performance here

2 rules! 1. He has to say a lotta jokes. 2. He has to laugh like crazy.

Joaquin Phoenix's Joker (Sociopath) / (Protagonist) Heath Ledger's Joker (Psychopath) / (Antagonist)

Joker is one of the best movies I've seen in a very long time

I think in time, Phoenix's performance will become the defining portrayal of the joker in the future.

@vynonyoutube1418

4 жыл бұрын

Phoenix portrays a descent into madness, the character becoming the Joker, not the Joker as he is in general.

This was great. Would love to see her do more of these kinds of videos!

"Not really any spoilers ahead". *Shows the climactic scene in Joker*

People say "hes cruel cuz he dont look at people when he kills them" Would it not be more cruel if he looked at them?

@leonardocota4703

4 жыл бұрын

maybe sadistic but not cruel

@CottonCandySharks

4 жыл бұрын

Lol I think he's cruel cause he kills people, not where he decides to look

@DeepakSingh-bf6gz

4 жыл бұрын

WRONG, he is cruel. he don't look because he don't care about them, as per joker psychology r nothing matters not even a human life, that's why he don't look while killing anyone. He just don't care. BANG

@blacksheepsquadron6189

4 жыл бұрын

@@DeepakSingh-bf6gz joker psychology? Lmfao. Its just psychology. If you study real life guys like him, (or have ever been so disturbed yourself) you'd see my point.

Y'all just gonna leave Hamill out of the lineup? 😒

@theshadow4887

4 жыл бұрын

BJA Anderson And Monaghan?

@popelogic4560

4 жыл бұрын

You can't compare a god with mere mortals

@primusfan87

4 жыл бұрын

How do you compare live action to animation?

@ken.droid-the-unique

4 жыл бұрын

@@primusfan87 The issue was performance of a part, shot composition and direction. That also applies to animated features, like Mark Hamill's performance in The Mask of the Phantasm. But, alas, neither Kevin Conroy or Mark Hamill will never get their due respect.

@zane4575

4 жыл бұрын

You want to compare hamil on a mic to actors? Fucking hell lol

Great job, Helen. Keep up the good work!

Ledger was the defining portrayal of the Joker, no question. If we’re going for animated portrayal , though, I will have to go with Mark Hamill.

@Christ2010Grad

4 жыл бұрын

Dracone1024 How was he hardly the joker? I depicted the character as he was seen when he debuted, if you ask me.

@ChumpyChicken2

4 жыл бұрын

Dracone1024 god some people are retarded. A voice actor vs real actor? Get real son.

@priyankaravichandhran

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChumpyChicken2 Voice acting is also acting, you would never enjoy your character without a good voice acting.

Saw Batman in 89 while I love Jack's version always Phoenixs is the best

I'm a simple man. I see a video called "How to portray the Joker", with the face of Cesar Romero on it's thumbnail; and click. Thanks Wisecrack

Jack Nicholson's Joker performance, together with Burton's love for dark lighting, and creepy camera shots were the stuff of my childhood nightmares. I even have phobia of clowns because of this Joker portrayal.

I feel each acting iteration of the joker fit that overall era of what he needed and was seen to be.

"Who was the defining clown prince?" Ok I can't even be mad, that was clever

@danmenard6917

4 жыл бұрын

Well it is one of the Joker's titles. The Clown Prince of Crime. Has been for many decades now.

@veronicablake5389

4 жыл бұрын

@@danmenard6917 I think the OP knew about that but itwas more about the play on words - "clown prince ""crowned prince"

"To get out of debt you need a loan...." Ok? Very contradictory, to get out of debt you start by getting into more debt.

@kisshu1997

4 жыл бұрын

If only more people had your sound mind.

the tone and sound of this host are amazingly comfortable, love!

loving it when Helen does videos

I thought Phoenix's Joker never came off as The Joker. He did a good job with the role, but his Joker was never scary or entertaining, which to me are two of the most important parts about the character.

Mark Hamill is my defining Joker

It would have been awesome to include the Joker from the Arkham games because even though it's not a movie, I always thought it was a great take on the character

Sooooo, no Mark Hamill?? Really? Voice acting is so under appreciated it.

Where is Hamill and ginger Jesus? 👀🤔

@bababouille9707

4 жыл бұрын

aguilacahc000 never.

If I have to choose between Ledger and Phoenix's joker... I'd rather not choose at all

@METALLICAAVENGED

4 жыл бұрын

Toss a coin to your Joker

I enjoyed the history lesson on movie making & acting. It's good to put each Joker in context of the era made and what each movie was trying to portray. Each Joker was uniquely suited and admirable for his time, except for Leto. Loved the latest Joker movie! Would you please do a video on the animated Jokers as there have been some amazing versions of him.

"We're gonna focus on the four... and a half live action portrayals of gotham's villainous clown..." You got me there. lul

Jared Leto: How NOT to portray The Joker

@gaminggalaxies6633

4 жыл бұрын

Oh shut up.

@tyrant-den884

4 жыл бұрын

If you consider him to be a response to all the people who still dress up like Ledger Joker for Halloween, it's a fantastic performance. And he does match the time of the film perfectly. Imagine Arthur Fleck in Suicide Squad; it would just be weird.

@TheValeyard92

4 жыл бұрын

@@tyrant-den884 You're right. It's a crap performance to match a crap film.

@TheToonMonkey

4 жыл бұрын

@@gaminggalaxies6633 telling someone to "shut up" because you don't want to hear the truth. How very 2019 your debating skills are.

@sharilshahed6106

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheToonMonkey Leto fanboys are just butthurt these days. I like how all the justifications they have trying to make a bad thing look less bad even. when the result was garbage regardless.

As good as the film is, it's really quite difficult to see Phoenix's version as THE JOKER, but instead he's just Arthur Fleck who went mad. Heath Ledger is really the most defining version of the enigmatic, criminal mastermind known as The Joker, probably the best villain ever created.

There is no Jerome or Mark Hamill. I'm upset.

@YoruSensei

4 жыл бұрын

true

@coby4480

4 жыл бұрын

micheal vega Regarding Jerome, acting in a TV Show is very different from a movie. You can flesh out a character much easier than the emotions you have to convey in a 2 hour movie. And regarding Mark Hamill, performance in animation is different than live action.

@bababouille9707

4 жыл бұрын

micheal vega fuck Jerome. Barely even a Joker. Not at all a clown.

@sharilshahed6106

4 жыл бұрын

@matthew martin there's hardly any murky waters in that one. All of the characters there are clear or obscure DC properties.

@sharilshahed6106

4 жыл бұрын

@@bababouille9707 no fuck you, carrying a clown make up or having the name character is NOT a defining trait for being a Joker. Ledger (did that guy even look like a clown by any means?) Joaquin Phoenix (may not even be THE joker based on the hints) and Leto (tried to Joker to a pretentious degree) are proof of that. Jerome actually balanced out between Hamill and Ledger's portrayals and did it right.

*MARK HAMILL DID HAVE A CINEMATIC ROLL!! EVER HEARD OF “MASK OF THE PHANTASM”?!?*

@m.w.9899

4 жыл бұрын

He was also in the killing joke but the point of excluding him wasn't based on cinematic appearance, but on live action appearance

@christopherross8358

4 жыл бұрын

Also, Batman Beyond - Return of the Joker.

@samdiego1965

4 жыл бұрын

Christopher Ross That didn’t get a theatrical release though

Ledger and Pheonix are easily my favorite renditions. I was pleasantly surprised by "Joker", I was so worried it was gonna be awful but it definitely was not.

How to portray the Joker: Step 1: Be a Jedi

Such a holistic analysis thank you

Fantastic video!

Wow, her eyebrows, hair, and lipstick are all on point. 😮👏

@puddingninja

4 жыл бұрын

So cool

@ZulaHive

4 жыл бұрын

thought nobody was gonna mention it

I think Max G said it best, "the Joker has to tell jokes, the Joker has to laugh like an idiot."

It would certainly be possible to analyze Hamill's Joker this way. You can look at both the way the artists and animators portray his movements, and the way Hamill does the voice. Just the laugh, or rather, laughs, are amazing.

What about Cameron Monaghan? He could be the next Joker. His performance in Gotham is amazing. He could be Pattinson's Joker tbh

Of the live-actions: Heath Ledger Of all: Mark Hamil

9:52 Wasn't he like, skateboarding on set? Could've sworn I heard that somewhere. Edit: So he did skateboard, just not over anybody as the joker.

"Manic giggling" 💀😂😂😂

What makes a good Joker performance is to make it your own. That is what every Joker did but one.

Man way to slight Mark Hamill's Joker.

I'm so angery on how they completely wasted Jared Leto's Joker.

@Ian-hj4yt

4 жыл бұрын

Lol kid

What makes a good Joker is barely controlled insanity imo

I really just feel like each version has a different aspect of the joker highlighted. the clown, weapon loving, violence and chaos, his mental status, his trickery, etc.

I still want to see a live action Batman Beyond with William DaFoe as the Joker.

Did Leto even read the comics? I never remember Joker being called... "The Clown Prince of Cringe"

The scene on the Murray show hands down was one of the best scenes in cinema history

Loved the video, but I'm a bit salty because you didn't include Cameron Monaghan. I loved every second of his portrayal in Gotham TV series. I think it was really underrated

"To get out of debt you'll often need a loan" No, that's called "getting into more debt"

@jaggerra7

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, it's called getting into a different type of debt. One that is easier to pay off as long as you use it to pay off everything else and it remains your only debt. It may be big, but it's singular and usually with a lower interest rate.