"The rain washed away the pollution." The rain literally washed away the Kim's home as though they were pollution.

@galling2052

4 жыл бұрын

this is a horrible and inhumane message.

@gaborbakos7058

4 жыл бұрын

You totally misundersood that symbol. Watch this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKemya5sm7PNptI.html

@sophiejones7727

4 жыл бұрын

@@galling2052 I think the OP is pointing out how callous Mrs. Park's words really are. Even though she meant the pollution in the air, she's kind of half-accidentally calling the Kim family "pollution". You hear this kind of talk a lot from wealthy people, especially older wealthy people. Though here in America they're more likely to say a neighborhood is "unsafe" than to say it's dirty. The effect is the same though. The wealthy people are alienated from the impoverished by their wealth. Their priorities have shifted, and thus the way they view the world has shifted too. Especially those who once were poor view those who have remained poor as embarrassing failures: as Mr. Wayne expressed. They think there must be something wrong with those people if they haven't achieved success: rather than realizing that there is something wrong with society. After all, if there was something wrong with society then it would be the responsibility of those who have wealth and power to fix it. So, the wealthy and powerful remain purposefully ignorant of the problems in society in order to shirk their responsibilities to that society. Of course, it should be pointed out that such behavior is not universal. There are wealthy people who are genuinely aware of society's problems and do a lot to help address them. But, while greatly appreciated, such philanthropy is not enough.

@HO-yc3pv

4 жыл бұрын

literal trickle-down.

@manoftruth0935

4 жыл бұрын

Redefine Masculinity they weren’t pollution in the beginning, but became pollution as the movie progresses and they regressed.

"Once you overcome the one-inch tall barrier of subtitles, you will be introduced to so many more amazing films." - Bong Joon-ho (& his translator Sharon Choi)

@HBarnill

4 жыл бұрын

“I fucked Paris Hilton!” - Todd Phillips

@headecas

4 жыл бұрын

Wut

@27TheJose

4 жыл бұрын

Oh you think you’re an intellectual ?

@ozu2647

4 жыл бұрын

“I know what babies taste like” -Chris Evans in Bong Joon-Ho’s other movie, Snowpiercer

@iwiffitthitotonacc4673

4 жыл бұрын

Literally all non-English speakers watch stuff with subtitles regularly.

"When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it."

@Uruk02

4 жыл бұрын

Like iraq

@stormbreak13

4 жыл бұрын

That's also a dumb quote, even though Arthur claims "I have nothing left to lose"... He IMMEDIATELY goes back to trying to defend himself to the audience, and garner sympathy.. "If it was me on the street you'd walk right over me".. He is just a whiny loser who wants noticed. Not some hardened badass who actually has nothing left to loss. Someone who cries at being ignored, has no idea the depth of pain and suffering that one can actually endure... Nothing left to lose my ass.. Try a month with a torturer...

@danielaverbuck9901

4 жыл бұрын

@@stormbreak13 Impo I don't think Arthur was trying to garner sympathy. I believe he was trying to show the hypocrisy shown by the upper echelons of society

@GARY84ROCKS

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielaverbuck9901 Not "hypocrisy shown" but "apathy shown" Daniel...not that I agree with having any monoliths...including an "upper echelon of society" monolith

@danielaverbuck9901

4 жыл бұрын

@@GARY84ROCKS What's a monolith in the terms your talking about? Honestly asking

One of the most memorable movie quotes from 2019: *"Not "rich, but still nice." She's nice because she's rich. Hell, if I had all this money. I'd be nice, too!"*

@rizkywijaksono7861

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely...

@RiveraFilms

4 жыл бұрын

I 100% disagree with the idea that having money will make you a nice person.

@RiveraFilms

4 жыл бұрын

Look at most lottery winners, their lives goes to crap because of the money.

@yggdrasil3

4 жыл бұрын

And then she hits the dog.

@staleezy

4 жыл бұрын

@@RiveraFilms those people experience class shock. The responsibility of wealth can mess with a rational mind

I think it's interesting to note that there are Western and Eastern differences in how these class issues are presented and how the story is told. They reflect the culture they are made in. Arthur's story is an individualist story, it's a character driven plot that has how the individual is impacted by society, by mental illness, by our disregard to the plight of the individual in low circumstances and economic class. The Kim's story is one of communities, families and social groups. There's not just one main character, it's not psychologically driven but metaphorically and symbolically driven. Although, similarly addressing the blindness of the elite to their own privilege as well as the plight of the lower class, in the end they are all dancing together in the movements of these corrupt social games. The Western narrative continues to focus on the hero or the anti hero, ie the individual. The East often highlight communal and family oriented narratives.

@SaraB77779

4 жыл бұрын

Veronica Watson yes, This is also a very important concept of self image psychology. In the Asian society(where I’m from) self is seen I relation to the society and they group they are in. And I’m western society it’s seen as an singular perspective.

@brankoaime

4 жыл бұрын

Also in the USA film, capitalism is a given, like it was allways there and in the Corean one is most a shadow that lurks arround shapping people

@ardesliini

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe "west = individualist, east = collectivist" has some historical merit, maybe it's oversimplified. But even moreso than being simply true or false, I find that the drawing of such a contrast is in itself very peculiar to the modern western worldview

@PETBOY

4 жыл бұрын

A Korean film similar to the Joker is "Save The Green Planet!, 2003" which is unpredictable and mixed in genres like parasites. If you have a chance, watch it. It is recommended by Ariester, the creator of Midsoma. Very similar Woody Harrelson "Defendor 2009" Probably quoted.

@chrisbessey358

4 жыл бұрын

What an oversimplification of both Eastern and western philosophies. There are still plenty of family-centered stories in western culture and there’s still plenty of individual-centered stories in eastern culture. Using the word ‘Always’ is unhelpful here.

JFK: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

@whiskeycan529

4 жыл бұрын

*Bernie 2020* Every other path leads down a dark road.

@bellamaz1972

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I’m fully on board. And phone banking /canvassing when able. Everyone, please make sure you’re registered to vote by your state’s primary/caucus deadline! voteforbernie.org

@bellamaz1972

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe it’s because parts of the world are burning and people are dying from lack of healthcare and we’re still in the longest war in U.S. history. You know, stuff like that.

@muttipi

4 жыл бұрын

@James Scalzo "What's with you people and making a video about class struggles and class warfare political??"

@RicardoPetinga

4 жыл бұрын

@James Scalzo because (almost) everything IS political. The personal IS political.

Having seen parasite just yesterday I really was under the impression that while it's Mr.Park's disgust that finally pushes Kim's last button, it's also this whole situation where all the richs are panicked and protect the unarmed kid while Mr.Kim's daughter is bleeding to death on the floor. While innocent to the Park who don't know about the whole scam yet, as a servant her injuries doesn't seem to alarm the Park or their well-off guests. At least that seemed to me like an essential part of the scene to really grasp what made Kim snap in the end.

@rustyrust804

4 жыл бұрын

Truly yes. Her bleeding doesn't matter to guests at party even after the attacker is neutralized.

@Tomy574

4 жыл бұрын

I agree

@CodyCha

4 жыл бұрын

No, the smell shatters Kim's universe and makes him go mad. It's a reminder that how much they advance in life, it is not going to change who they are. Even in the mist of a life altering event, Mr Park is held back by the smell. “By talking about different smells, the film puts the class issue under the microscope. Through smells, the film’s tension and suspense mount, which eventually makes a multi-layered foundation for the upcoming tragedy.” -- Director Bong

@therealbs2000

4 жыл бұрын

Bong slapped

@maxospeedo2497

4 жыл бұрын

When the kim's daughter was introduced to the Parks, she was supposed to be a well-off person herself, right? She wasn't treated like that for being poor, as they were oblivious to her true nature at that time.

The Joker's take on society is direct and emotional. A psychological film. The Parasite's take on society is implied yet intelligent. A social commentary. Btw, don't get me wrong. Both are great films!

@pedrohenrique-et3fs

4 жыл бұрын

sure, but what angers me is how the socialists with free money and time to stay in the internet insulting capitalism dont redirect this effort to their clearly expressed needs on a daily basis.

@JMdJ2001

4 жыл бұрын

@@pedrohenrique-et3fs Socialism is too idealistic that it doesn't seem realistic in terms of application. On the other hand, Capitalism isn't perfect and it is not impartial to everyone. What we can learn a thing or two about them is one must have the heart of a *righteous* socialist and the mind of a *righteous* capitalist. Unfortunately we only have one heart to choose. Edit: Grammar fixes, sorry!

@pedrohenrique-et3fs

4 жыл бұрын

@@JMdJ2001 is good to help others, but the ideal scenario is if they learn how to help themselves, because time and resources are limited.

@JMdJ2001

4 жыл бұрын

@@pedrohenrique-et3fs Thus, it all comes down to survival of the fittest, smartest, wisest, and ruthless.

@pedrohenrique-et3fs

4 жыл бұрын

@@JMdJ2001 in which the left is failing because is fighting basic biologic priciples to victory that dont even involve violence, just discipline.

2019 was all about how we live in a society

@alexsilva28

4 жыл бұрын

BOTTOM TEXT

@yggdrasil3

4 жыл бұрын

It was the year of walking in stairs.

@OddOneOut665

4 жыл бұрын

*E*

@EnclaveHater07

4 жыл бұрын

And a purple grape an billionaire playboy philanthropist Tony stank deaths

@ficoh634

4 жыл бұрын

@@EnclaveHater07 i honestly forgot endgame even existed

“A hungry man is an angry man”

@ericdevito9383

4 жыл бұрын

Did you get that from a snickers commercial?

@megamob5834

4 жыл бұрын

Jordan Harmon 🤦🏻‍♂️

@dannymo4390

4 жыл бұрын

A hangry man.

@s2wuolf508

4 жыл бұрын

Keep their bellies full, and their heads empty

@darklight6921

4 жыл бұрын

if you dont feed them they dont have the strength to fight you. :)

11:34 You missed a critical detail there. As soon as she says that, she hits away the hungry dog looking for food even though it's her job as a housekeeper to feed it.

@tad_tao

4 жыл бұрын

Yea. Money doesn't change people, it amplifies their personality.

@Gooong

4 жыл бұрын

The girl ate all the dog food.

"The world doesn't want to be saved, it wants to eat you alive." -Lo Wang

@campkira

4 жыл бұрын

well yeah.... just wait for the sun be gone and whatever bullshit we do try to save the world will be frozen rock in darkness....

@tony748159

4 жыл бұрын

“You’re mom still live in a tent, oooh “ -lilliam pumpernickel

@drgvgfg391

4 жыл бұрын

To me i think of the world as a steping stone to get us to the stars From our ancestors history the world had walked over them over and over again until they fought back we were nothing to it and if we blinked out of existence it wont care you have to beat it on the head so it can obey you and if we fuck it up so be it all i care about is human life and how to improve it

@Vincentpanh

4 жыл бұрын

you can’t save anyone if you have nothing, just live you life to the fullest and help others. Don’t care about society because it doesn’t care about you.

@transforgoku

4 жыл бұрын

Let us all give in and embrace nihilism, the only aswer cowards won't accept.

I always thought of joker as more for empathy rather than social.

@sv32099

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like you can make an argument either way. The societal effects are more of a backstage presence in joker. The story is of course centered around arthur but the effects his actions have on the world are still taking place even if he isn't really acknowledging it

@Lucan47

4 жыл бұрын

Empathy is a big theme, but so is social crisis. The garbage strike, the government funding cuts, the deep contrast between the ugly, dirty, violent city streets and the places of wealth, clean, safe and uncaring.

@johnblegen7591

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah i agree. This is really what makes me love the Joker so much. Having to care for an aging relative, especially a parent, is really one of the most emotionally devastating experiences you can go through. Still, the film did not shy away from this at all. The whole two hours felt like someone was prodding an open wound in my heart, and I walked away from the theatre feeling more understood than I ever have. Parasite was awesome, and genius. But it felt more ludacris than Joker, as counterintuitive as it sounds. At the core of Joker are some utterly relatable dilemmas: your origins as a person, the bodily inadequacies you simply can’t overcome (Fleck’s laughing disorder), and (most effectively) the aging of your parents - singly the most emotional experience that pretty much all of us can relate to. Edit: So in summary i totally agree it was more empathetic than societal. The garbage strike etc. were all peripheral. Arthur Fleck’s tragedy was the focus of the whole film. One of the most effective tragedies I’ve ever witnessed.

@Zer000Naught

4 жыл бұрын

It definitely was

@frankenviews4069

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Joker was leaning more towards empathy for the mentally ill poor and how lack of health care can damage them. He and his mother were more like the basement dweller in "Parasite" rather than the poor con artist / scammer family.

To answer your last question: scam a nice rich family as funding for a revolution.

@CzarsSalad

4 жыл бұрын

Dude, you just made a good movie plot :D

@felman87

4 жыл бұрын

And, as they slowly accumulate that wealth from the scam, they slowly lose the appetite for revolution. Instead becoming comfortable as their lot in life increases. Eventually, they integrate into the very system they sought to destroy. And, as the movie comes to a close, we see our protagonist become a victim of the same scam they once enacted on a rich family. The cycle remains unbroken.

@TheIconicHat

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't that sort of Snowpiercer if the protagonist continued the "status quo" of the train?

@JuricaSaponja

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheIconicHat i Just was thinking of that

@manoftruth0935

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Crumpler the true answer is neither.

“Compassion is a luxury”, resonated deeper than it should

5:37 one thing i feel l have to say but the french revolution didn't led to the abolishment of slavery, it was the slaves rising up that casused it to be abolished

@thejudge4421

4 жыл бұрын

the French revolution lead to an even worse tyranny

@BigSleepyOx

4 жыл бұрын

The French Revolution led to lots of heads in baskets.

@mysterygutardog101

4 жыл бұрын

Not really, because the French Revolution happened, Napoleon was eventually put in charge, and because of his reckless need for world domination he ignored the pleas for help the slave owners in Haiti and other South American countries cried out for. I'm pretty sure that's what he was talking about.

@dylanroberts9

4 жыл бұрын

@@mysterygutardog101 Thats not what happened at all, Napoleon wanted to take back Hatiti and was a huge supporter of slavery, it was due to the French inability to retake the island that they gave up on their new world possessions

@Bearded_Boricua

4 жыл бұрын

I think that while the slave revolts began around 1791 in Haiti, slavery was legally abolished in 1794 by the French Revolutionary Govt. Louverture forced the laborers (black slaves unlike himself, a colored man) as to maintain the plantation economy. In 1801 Napoleon sent his brother in law to the island to reintroduce slavery, and when the French started to die due to illness new revolts kicked out the French and abolished slavery as a legal practice

Parasite was one of my Top overall films of last year. Joker was cool too but a little bit derivative. Joaquin deserves all the accolades nevertheless.

@josephde-haan1074

4 жыл бұрын

Accurately and succinctly put.

@bigstunna2049

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed Joaquins performance made the movie but I feel the messages were already told in king of comedy and taxi driver so i prefer parasite since it felt like no other movie I'd seen before

@AkaroXIV

4 жыл бұрын

What does derivative mean?

@OoxB505

4 жыл бұрын

Nakiri Erina why do we have to pit the films against each other? I’ve seen both, and I prefer Joker. That’s my personal preference.

@sugarbro880

4 жыл бұрын

@@bigstunna2049 oh thats it! I just watched joker and i couldn't wrap my head around people placing is so high as one of the best movies last year. Its because i was already familiar with this concept from taxi driver. Nonetheless the performance was something else, but the whole plot was just ok imo

A nuance Koreans will know, but foreigners probably won't is that "Kim" as a surname while very common (first) also means "gold" [金] . While "Park" (Bak in revised) means "gourd" [朴] which gives the film a second dimension (It's third in the list of common surnames, by the way). (and if you don't know this as non-Koreans... Koreans are name obsessed to the next level). I thought noting this would help because I haven't seen any film reviewers notice this small detail, but should deepen some of the understanding.

@ArawnOfAnnwn

4 жыл бұрын

What's second? :o

@yoonmikim5663

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Lee. (pronounced Ee in Korean) The Hanja is usually "Plum Tree", which is why when the Kim population was said to originally be called "Geum", but Lee ruling elite found that threatening, so all "Geum" (except a very few) were forced to change their surname to Kim. Because in East Asian lore, metal is stronger than wood.

@michaeljoseph577

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for providing more context. This movie requires many additional viewings to break down the shots. It's so meticulous! -Michael

@ArawnOfAnnwn

4 жыл бұрын

@@yoonmikim5663 Fascinating. But isn't metal usually stronger than wood anyway, regardless of region? Or did you mean something more by that?

@yoonmikim5663

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArawnOfAnnwn It's the old chinese system imported into Korea about the five elements and which is stronger than the others, but it would be easier for you to look it up than me to type it up and explain it here since the diagrams will break it down quickly. As I said before, Koreans are name obsessed to the next level, so changing all of the "Geum" to "Kim" and claiming it was always that way as a way to please the "Lee" ruling elite of Joseon is a super Korean thing to do. Koreans also obsess over the sound of names too.

'Parasite' is a masterpiece

@lucaa.6406

4 жыл бұрын

Irene G. Agreed

@julianbarriento516

4 жыл бұрын

agreed

@Diegomir7

4 жыл бұрын

Alongside with jojo rabbit

@dantonthegreat4455

4 жыл бұрын

No, not really. It's overrated.

@ayingchanda

4 жыл бұрын

@@dantonthegreat4455 thats youre opinion. Just reminding you

Parasite and Joker were both my favorite movies of 2019.

@Horrormaster13

4 жыл бұрын

@Paul letterboxd.com/horrormaster13/list/2019-films-ranked/

@friendlypup5650

4 жыл бұрын

Horrormaster13 you gotta see uncut gems. It’s up there with parasite and lighthouse for me

@Horrormaster13

4 жыл бұрын

@@friendlypup5650 Need to wait until 31st January when Uncut Gems is released in Germany on Netflix.

@matthewburdick4966

4 жыл бұрын

My favorite foods are lobster, and Skittles.

@vb2388

4 жыл бұрын

Horrormaster13...The Irishman and Marriage Story?

I love it when I’m reading through the comments and one of the five commercial breaks brings me back up to the top

@only4crap

4 жыл бұрын

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@CyoKoflender

4 жыл бұрын

Slide to the end and then replay, and ads are gone.

@Kavilion

4 жыл бұрын

Cyo Koflender oh my God thank you so much I didn’t know this

Paracite blew my mind, the suspense, cinematography and incredible ending. Hope it wins the best film Oscar.

@campkira

4 жыл бұрын

i don't like it.....

@sarath431

4 жыл бұрын

It will

@IKIGAIofficial

4 жыл бұрын

That one still frame with the sister calmly smoking a cigarette squatting on the lid of a crap exploding toilet over chest high sewage water.

@sarath431

4 жыл бұрын

@@IKIGAIofficial - true. Truth be told, every scene is well shot and each one has a meaning

@sarath431

4 жыл бұрын

@akshay Viswambharan - isn't it nominated for best foreign film? If so, it will win in that category. If not, that would be end of any credibility of oscars

Note about the stone in Parasite: Totems such as the stone are also tied to obscure cultural history involving superstitions in Asian culture. Of a popular sort is a sort of shamanism where it is believed that items carry positive and negative energy. For example a poor person working in a rich home may steal something insignificant like a spoon in order to try and nucleate their own positive fortune from it. Conversely a wealthy family that suffers from misfortune may hire a shaman to gather the misfortunate energy of their house and infuse it into a totem. It is then cast out from the home secretly, sometimes as a gift to a stranger. It's not inferred overtly in the movie but the sudden extravagant gift of the stone to the Kim family from Min's grandfather could reflect this superstitious practice. To give another example of the belief of positive and negative energies, when a person returns from the funeral of someone not of their family, salt is tossed over them to ward away misfortunate spirits before they're allowed back home. To be clear this isn't a widespread cultural belief, it's about as common as believing in ghosts in western culture. Also in the beginning of the film when they're folding Pizza boxes, it is stated that one in four are flawed which reflects the peculiarities that each of the families' sons seem to be burdened with. There's a small mention of dog food in the movie which is a contemporary reference to an incident involving the wife of the CEO of a major korean airline who went on a tirade against the members of the lower class, and how one of the excesses of her lifestyle was to fly in expensive dog food that wasn't even available in the country. Lastly there's a bunch of red herrings in the movie that reference popular K-dramas of the past but aren't really that significant to the plot

@rizkywijaksono7861

4 жыл бұрын

WOW...

@mariojose1993

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for these insights! I really appreciate to get to know the cultural background behind the movie, I belive sometimes can enrich the movie experience. Good work!

@poliestotico

4 жыл бұрын

Needs to be top comment! Thanks!

@kd9855

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I get the stone negative energy thing, and in North-East India too after coming from a funeral or from a hospital, Tulsi water is thrown on the person to ward off bad spirits. But my take on the stone is that, the stone is kind of an idea, a dream that life can be better, a seed that leads to the Kim family becoming employed. The idea of living a better life is more prominent in the son's mind, he wants to live the life that his friend Min lived or lives, he wants to replace him. He fills the shadow left behind by him, and that dream or hope for a better life is like a parasite that consumes him, even pushes him to kill the former housekeeper and her husband. His pursuit of that dream leads to deaths and confrontation and in the end breaking the illusion or maybe not. The dream or hope still remains but leaves behind a tragedy.

@4Distractiononly

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I got that there were some cultural references that I only vaguely intuited as an American. Significances and superstitions.

Literally just saw Parasite, so perfect timing Wisecrack 👌🏻

@miker.9138

4 жыл бұрын

I just saw it yesterday.

@jewlsfromtheroot9k249

3 жыл бұрын

God has blessed you with that opportunity

"The only enemy more dangerous than a man with unlimited resources, is one with nothing to lose" - Chuck Rhoades (Billions)

Joker rised up and burned the society like a comedian Parasite tried to rise up and got crushed like a bug

The inequality is universal. However, as a Korean, I believe that the inequality in S. Korea feels much intensified because of unique social issues in S. Korea (degree inflation, competitive culture, etc); partially described in the movie. The new book called “South Korea: Price of Efficiency & Success” is great to read.

@jackvac1918

3 жыл бұрын

Hyper-competitiveness and degree inflation (a symptom of hyper-competitiveness) is something that is increasingly seen in other countries as well, and is a reflection of the capitalist free-market paradigm increasingly commodifying and subjecting all aspects of life to the logic of market competition.

Parasite is an instant classic! Nicely explained!!

"Wealth consists not in having great possessions, but in having few wants." - 2000 years ago

@dylantuf6228

4 жыл бұрын

I felt that

Wisecrack: "It's actually not acceptable to cut off the heads of the rich and powerful" Me: "... hold my beer"

As a Korean, 2019 was a great year for movies

in short, the poor have only two choices: mediocrity or violence.

@DanielVargas-yx8ff

4 жыл бұрын

Workers must rise up

@whiskeycan529

4 жыл бұрын

Also: class solidarity and general strikes

@stormbreak13

4 жыл бұрын

Or figure out how to be great on your own and stop pitying yourself. Crybaby losers who identify with the joker are the fucking worst kind of people. Too weak to make their own lives good.. But expecting society to make their lives good for them.

@TulipQ

4 жыл бұрын

It is not mediocrity to be unable to afford humane housing or to be unable to exist in the world because there are not enough social services. It is violence against the poor. The options are to do violence or receive violence.

@stormbreak13

4 жыл бұрын

@@TulipQ "violence against the poor" lol what a moron. Go live in the mountains alone if society is too hard for you loser. Or stop crying, ans figure out how to make things better for yourself.

Parasite is a truly complex and dynamic take on class struggles, as neither of the two families are completely good/bad. Meanwhile, Joker is about as deep as a last-minute-written high school essay about “Society” and those on its fringes

I was actually happy for Arthur when he snapped 🤷🏾‍♂

@sv32099

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah me too the movie does do a great job of making you empathize with arthur

@N2Deep00

4 жыл бұрын

Into a Slim Jim

@krombopulost4699

4 жыл бұрын

This is Just the Start. he will wreak havoc On Gotham. Gennie is out of the bow. now you need Batman to keep down that kinda maniac

@stormbreak13

4 жыл бұрын

Only psychos and whiny losers would ever actually empathise with Arthur Fleck. The people he killed didnt "deserve it". It's pathetic that there are CLOWNS out there who want to identify with the lamest, weakest character in years. "Boo hoo nobody loves the poor psycho murderer who is already delusional"

@daniman0114

4 жыл бұрын

Dalton Landis I think you can sympathize with Arthur up to a point, he lost all sympathy from me when he murdered those 3 men.

"Is it better to start a revolution or scam a nice rich family?" Why not both?

Personally I felt Joaquin Phoenix’s acting of the Joker was a lot more amazing than the movie itself, although the movie was also amazing, but Parasite was a high-quality movie as a whole

I found the message in Jokerto be quite apparent while Parasite is a bit more subtle. Both great films nonetheless

the only movies that will be remembered from the Oscars 2020! Joker and Parasite. Two exceptional masterpieces.

I'm Brazilian. We have a movie called "Bacurau" which is similar to Parasite (but better, IMO). Bacurau was released like a month before Parasite. Bacurau is an amazing movie, and represents what is happening with our country.

@p.boscardin

4 жыл бұрын

Parasite is great too. I just think that Bacurau is an eye-opener

In the third act of Parasite there was a sequence where Mrs. Park was enthusiastically searching for what to wear out of her closet full of designer brand clothing and the next scene immediately shows people taking refuge in the gym fighting over scrap clothing as authorities are trying to cam them down. Really shows how natural disasters drastic affects the opposite ends of class.

I just like the fact that the video features two of the best Movies made in 2019

@archivehans

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh

@BigSleepyOx

4 жыл бұрын

@Ian Corral - why did you bring Oscars into this thread? The OP made no mention of Oscars.

@JavierLopez-oh8fv

4 жыл бұрын

I guess you mean Parasite and Ready or not

I love how Wisecrack dances around Parasite just being objectively more well written like "Joker kinda addresses this...more generally"

@jennawhite1277

4 жыл бұрын

Lucarioguild7 By the end it was like a deep or dumb episode and they were trying not to say Parasite was the deep version to the Joker’s dumb.

@AkaroXIV

4 жыл бұрын

Or it could be that they’re trying to ascribe a meaning that the Joker just didn’t have. I mean you could say Home Alone had commentary on class divides, doesn’t make it true

@MakiPcr

4 жыл бұрын

Parasite is a smarter movie than Joker. Nothing against Joker, I liked Joker; it's just that Parasite is smarter

One of my favorite KZread channels talking about 2 of my favorite movies of the year, both of whom I'm rooting for Oscar for Best Picture. Truly we are living in the best timeline.

I liked the format of comparing 2 movies :) I'd enjoy seeing future vids like this again

The part about explaining joker through enthusiasm vs fanatism was n o i c e

So glad you did a video comparing these two. Excellent analysis as always! Made me want to rewatch Parasite so badly

Did u know we live in a society

@curioussoul6059

4 жыл бұрын

No we don't! That's why you just gotta pull yourself into the air by tugging on your bootstraps! If we lived in a society, then everyone would have to get their dollar bills from the State, and that means the whole bootstrap/self-made-thing is completely nonsensical BS.

@karlalan3806

4 жыл бұрын

@@curioussoul6059 now tell me would you make the next iPhone if you "lived in a society"? Or would you work on building roads during summer when there is no real incentive to? Reflect a little and tell me how you being here makes anything better in this world. And then you'll understand why we prefer capitalism.

@TheDarcaneify

4 жыл бұрын

@@karlalan3806 i would make the Things i like if i wouldnt be forced to work somthing i hate for geting the food i need. If the State would pay me enough that i wont life poor, i wpuld make a New iphon or work in a Book Store, cous that would be somthing i do cous i love what i do and it would help others, if you say you would just sit in your home and do nothing, that says alot about what you value.

@karlalan3806

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDarcaneify So basically I should pay taxes so that you get the money. That's the reason we hate communism. Look man, maybe I value being at home but my investment help me with that. The goal of life is not to be a leach but to come up with a system that allows you to live your life the way you want. How do you think the govt makes money?

@TheDarcaneify

4 жыл бұрын

@@karlalan3806 in the wrong ways imo. Im German and im often get in conflicts with my Parents, Grand Parents and Coworkers cous i think the State should Tax the rich people way more then the Poor and give a equal living standart. if you get 1000$, your nebour get 1000$ etc, and you have the right to work at any Place you want, the People who like to Backe would work in a backery cous it would be fun for them, the guys who like to do Build their Body over their brain would build streets and Houses. I was forced by my Mother to work as an house electrician, even if im not suited for hard work and never had fun going to work, i got sick many times and would have loved studing and doing my Brain a Favor, but at this times i saw Guys that would worked this kind of work even if they wont get payed then it was fun in there eyes. I just want to say, if evryone gets the same amount of money by the State, evryone would do the work they love and even the crime rates would get less and les.

So... is Thug Notes a dead series now?

@jd7337

4 жыл бұрын

Yea, nigga got capped😥

@LordofSyn

4 жыл бұрын

:pours one out:

@frederickbulsara8141

4 жыл бұрын

F

@auromz9848

4 жыл бұрын

@@jd7337 what? What happened?!

@jd7337

4 жыл бұрын

@@auromz9848 It was a joke

Just saw parasite and honestly both are great in their own way.

"are dreams destroying us" well more like... Powerful people are destroying dreams.

@deadmeme2403

4 жыл бұрын

Class antagonism; case and point for this video.

@CyrusP.

4 жыл бұрын

Destroying your dreams of becoming powerful, and when you get that power, you'll destroy that of others too, inevitably.

@dewaldt8104

4 жыл бұрын

Well why should your dreams be achieved in the first place? Have you done anything to earn the right for them to be achieved in the first place?

@firion666

4 жыл бұрын

@@dewaldt8104 Yes, but who can judge whether I am entitled to fulfilling my dreams or not? It's all about social norms and myths that create our view on what is right and valuable and what isn't. And those myths come directly from economic system, because that system, by giving the power to people that are best adapted, give them power to share its/their ideologies as well. It's like playing games with rules, for example Monopoly: when you know rules, you know that you have to become greedy, if you want to win. And mechanics of the game only can judge whether you are 'good player' deserving the taste of win or you are not. And in real world mechanics are made by and for people in power.

@dewaldt8104

4 жыл бұрын

@@firion666 okay but what makes them best adapted for it. And how does becoming greedy help me. I mean I can be as greedy as I want it's not going to increase the amount of dollars in my bank account. As for what makes a dream worth it or not. Well here is 3 questions you can ask yourself. Will the world not be worst off after I have achieved my dream. Will I be able to avoid becoming a parasiete to society around me as I achieve my dream. Am I willing to sacrifice time and short term joy in order to achieve it.

Always a great joy watching these videos. interesting and educational. Keep them coming.

philosophical question: why are we addressed as 'Wisecrack' by the host, when it's the name of the channel?

@HK47_115

4 жыл бұрын

My guess is because of us the channel wouldn't be what it is today. We are wisecrack, we are part of what makes wisecrack wisecrack

@bigstunna2049

4 жыл бұрын

Just like vsauce

@jayncoclassic

4 жыл бұрын

Would you prefer wisecrackers

@jotabeas22

4 жыл бұрын

Because *let's get **_PARASOCIAL_** guys!*

@LongLiveSim

4 жыл бұрын

Adric Waibel bruh......

A crossover video with two of my favorite films??? Great job, wisecrack.

Correction: Parasite owned the Oscars. 4chan's favourite le epic clown movie received a consolation prize.

It's great that you've made an analysis featuring two of my favorite movies! It's unexpected yet reasonable to do so.

I love how the father in Parasite literally takes the place of the other unfortunate man who had been living in the basement, as if to say our best chance scenario isn’t rising to the top but rather taking the place of the guy ahead of us. I really need to watch that film again.

Michael: "Now parasite is a bit more nuanced" Me: ReAlLy?

I've been saving this to Watch Later until I get a chance to see Parasite, and was surprised to see the title change.

"I would be nice if I had money" I feel that.

Parasite best film of the decade

I’m still waiting for that cake.

Jared: Nobody will watch a video about a Korean movie. Mike: What if we just briefly mention Joker and then put the Joker in the thumbnail?

@monstertugg7803

4 жыл бұрын

as if parasite isn't more hardhitting and relevant than a extrapolated backstory of a 50s super-hero viillain

@komickid833

4 жыл бұрын

m onstertugg more like a 40s super villain

@michaelotis223

4 жыл бұрын

Lolz Wisrcrack knows their audience

@komickid833

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Otis very true

@sharilshahed6106

4 жыл бұрын

@@monstertugg7803 I was gonna say one of the most influential and talked about movie of last year, despite being neither action, superhero, scifi, horror, fantasy or Star Wars.... But yeah.

Amazing video 😍 thank you 💪🏼❤

Awesome work Wisecrack! Loved the analysis almost as much as I love this films

Joker also shows how heavily color graded it was compared to Parasite.

@Tomy574

4 жыл бұрын

It's mostly more saturated, I wouldn't say "more color graded"

U guys need to do a "philosophy of parasite" only

Your content is so concurrent with my frequency, many thanks.

Hey Michael, glad you're back!

Wait we where suppose to stop sympathising with the joker at the end?

@DanielVargas-yx8ff

4 жыл бұрын

@James Scalzo whats a yuppie?

@XioriannaEBDjinn

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielVargas-yx8ff A Yuppie/A Bootlicker = A member of society who has no capital and is not a capitalist and has no way to benefit from the system actively exploiting and abusing them, who yet still praises that same system that brings them harm and defends it. Usually out of a foolish supposition that they will be able to one day gain some power through the same system that abuses them.

@sharilshahed6106

4 жыл бұрын

from what I saw, kinda. But the message was less about sympathizing with the fully formed joker, and more about caring for the man from becoming something as messed. Cause there are a lot of these irl.

@ayingchanda

4 жыл бұрын

@@insomniad2514 true but for joker i wont sympathize him, his insane

@leilam-k9569

4 жыл бұрын

@@XioriannaEBDjinn That's something that exist and that merits to be discussed, but a yuppie is actually a bourgeois lefty for whom the system works fine. To them, the system just needs to be gently tweaked, but it is mostly fine.The Yuppies are the sons or daughters of doctors and university professors who works for law firms, who own houses in the suburbs, recycle, eat organic, love symbolic social change, vote for Democrats, and feel comfortable discussing the terrible consumerist habits of the lower class and telling these lower class who they should vote for. They care about the lower class, as long as they don't ask for economic change too strongly. They like their comfortable suburban life, so don't be a bother to them by breaking a window at their local Target. That bothers them more than the rising numbers of unemployed people. It's the Biden/Clinton left, not the Sanders left. Not your laid-off factory worker dad and kindergarten teacher mom. Not the Uber drivers or grocery store workers left.

“We live like animals and die like animals only because we are no one to each other”

@carterslade8771

4 жыл бұрын

That is a phenomenal quote. I find myself thinking along those same lines often.

This video is FANTASTIC!! 👏🏻

Great video

"...he has about as good of a chance transcending his social class as Arthur does of landing an HBO Special." -Wisecrack "Joker will be headed to HBO’s streaming platform since both HBO and Warner Bros. are owned by the same corporate overlord: AT&T." -Inverse

Whenever it turns into the philosophy of people like myself, as in poor people, there never seems to be way of helping ourselves or some interpretation to turn things around or find meaning. It's just a10 minute long video about how life sucks.

These types of films always fill me with such anxiety. Something that keeps me up at night is how thin the thread is that keeps us the collective from spinning into chaos. One quote I always say and feels even more apropos is “you give people nothing to live for, they’ll prove it to you.” Just as we saw with the French Revolution and Many other times throughout history.

Another needed dose of knowledge from Dr. Nihilism

Movies like The Joker and Parasite - movies that are rich in subtext about the consequences of unjustified inequalities - far from leading us towards class conflict, maybe the catharsis that averts us from getting into class conflicts, or at least delays the inevitable. While a few may be inspired to action as a result these movies, those people are generally part of the lunatic fringe. For most people, such movies act as a safety valve to release our pent up frustration, thus lulling us back into a state of complacency. In many ways the modern cinematic environment which addresses the topic of class struggle works in the way Marx critiqued religion - as an opiate of the people and the sigh of the oppressed.

That's exactly the point of the Joker. You better keep the poor happy, or else. It never frames the acts of Arthur or the poor as moral. It frames them as a natural reaction to suffering. When you govern humans, you have to take into consideration how humans tick, regardless of how much you think you are in the right. Otherwise, in the end, welcome to the guillotine.

The guy pissing outside their house was foreshadowing for how they get pissed on by the Parks

I feel that Bacurau aligns itself really well with the theme of those movies. I would love to see a Wisecrack analysis of Bacurau

@sofiayamane2076

3 жыл бұрын

Sim mano, e bora de petição kk

@lucasmedeiros2431

3 жыл бұрын

@@sofiayamane2076 bora!

It's worth it to note, when Emanuel Kant was denouncing the French revolution as fanatical and evil he was doing it as a British aristocrat afraid for his own well being EDIT it's been pointed out I was wrong about Emanuel Kant being British and rich, I'm sorry my mistake but the point I was trying to make was still accurate "the people who are telling you the free market works and if your poor it's your own fault are probably people who were born in wealth and never worked a day in they're life"

@DarkNightshroud

4 жыл бұрын

Except Kant wasn't british. He was German and the son of a leatherworker

@jr2904

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter why someone said something if there is truth to be found in it.

@troperhghar9898

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarkNightshroud are you sure? I'm only going by what I was taught

@DarkNightshroud

4 жыл бұрын

​@@troperhghar9898 Yes, I had to read some of his writing in its original language for university.

@SensusCultura

4 жыл бұрын

Really? British? Aristocrat? Never knew Königsberg, Prussia (today Kaliningrad, Russia. He never traveled more than 150km from it) was even part of the British empire; nor nobility had to work making harnesses. Guess the closest aristocrat was ARISTOtle!!!

This is why I’m subbed to this channel. An actual logical breakdown of both films, others just sensationalised Joker as a masterpiece without reason and are confused as to why Parasite won so many awards.

@wet-read

Жыл бұрын

Joker is not a masterpiece. I think people are bedazzled by the lead performance and excellent technical craftmanship of the film, while ignoring or not even noticing its serious lacks.

Watching this just 2 years later and realizing how much these themes are so much more obvious and prevalent today.

Dude, in the French Revolutions case the people tried doing it peacefully and they called soldiers in and killed a lot of people which caused the overthrow. It always starts with a peaceful protest, the rich call in the cops, then riots.

I hate that inverted edit of phoaquin Phoenix joker being used in every thumbnail. The original is so much better it looks so stupid that way.

@uncomfortablecat

4 жыл бұрын

@Laverne Blaszczyk Just watch the movie.

@campkira

4 жыл бұрын

don't worry they did the same with other joker as well....

@urilaf8598

4 жыл бұрын

Laverne Blaszczyk that They edit of his face where both sides of his face are the same side. The original looks far less off putting cause it’s not supposed to be linear. It looks terrible this way

@OoxB505

4 жыл бұрын

‘Phoaquin’? It’s Joaquin

0:17 ... how on earth did Wisecrack not use a clip from “Cats” for this? Disappointed.

So good!

Everyone including the director says the hope in Parasite is useless. But what else is he supposed to do? Sometimes hope is all we have.

So did Jared die or something?

@Mirtoss

4 жыл бұрын

No, he is dealing with some family stuff. He´ll be back tho.

@MrNick54161

4 жыл бұрын

He's on vacation last I heard on the podcast

@omarsabir1210

4 жыл бұрын

There is genuinely nothing wrong with this guy

@Sanjiluv

4 жыл бұрын

no he just evolved from a ginger into man with beard and cap

@michaelaramis1210

4 жыл бұрын

sanjiluv is this his X or Y evo?

*Asian Movies:* _"Starting with a supernatural image of evil approaching far away, leading you to a horrifying yet depressing truth."_ *American Movies:* HOW ABOUT ANOTHER JOKE, MURRAY?

@jakecruise90

4 жыл бұрын

Parasite is not that at all.

@EionBlue

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-wx8mi1pd6g I liker Parasite, but Joker is a masterpiece, something you clearly have no clue of.

@ozu2647

4 жыл бұрын

Viredae lol watch King of Comedy, one of the better movies Joker aspires to be

@JesseBakerH

4 жыл бұрын

have you even watched parasite?

@doomdoctor6380

4 жыл бұрын

American Movies: Paints a cruel picture of how society treats the mentally ill that may lead them to unspeakable atrocities. Asian Movies: Lol toilet humor lmao! This is your brain on strawmanning.

Man, I love WC- these dudes are GENIUSES! This is enlightening information- but could be pernicious...

Cool video!

Is society worth saving?

@sv32099

4 жыл бұрын

It could be saved i don't know if salvation will come with destruction though. As the years go on i question this more and more as i see what people are willing to do to get a little higher up on the social ladder

@comradetaco3003

4 жыл бұрын

Eat the rich.

@mouwersor

4 жыл бұрын

Go live in the wild if you think that is better...

@stupidcommentmaker

4 жыл бұрын

No, but people are worth saving.

Where's Jared? How can I get more of Jared's voice into my ears?

@pumas2342

4 жыл бұрын

They mentioned that he is dealing with some family issues, so he won't be on the videos for a little while.

Great job guys. I hope have the time to translate your video to spanish this Monday.

I love how a violent revolution was supposed to be a warning, but instead was viewed as a moment of triumph by the audience.

@eduardgherasim2896

4 жыл бұрын

Scared me... But that's cos I saw it too similar to the way racist and violent leftist "liberals" act today.

15:07 “is it better to start a revolution or scam a rich family? :D”

I saw Joker (2019) as all happening in the mind of an inmate at Arkham Hospital. Very little of it actually happened

@campkira

4 жыл бұрын

Gotham alway know for its madness..

The fact that Joker becomes a leader of a violent movement without having a specific cause is kind of the point. He finds it hilarious that he gained so much power and recognition without even trying and just latches onto classism because it gives him some targets. In the end, it’s implied that it may just be one of the many possible fantasy backstories he comes up with for himself and he no longer knows or cares if it’s real as long as it supports his nihilism.

The funny thing about the Thomas Wayne of the Joker movie is that he says he "made something of himself" but in true honesty he never did shit. He benefited from his ancestors work and did nothing with his life, he even becomes a murderous Batman in one universe. If you have to get to the 30th floor on a skyscraper and you use the elevator, did you go up or did the elevator?