Ah yes, Keanu Reeves, the classical Batman villain.

@coolgreenbug7551

5 жыл бұрын

I don't understand why none of the movies have ever used him, he is easily my 3rd favorite Batman villain, behind Joker and Freeze

@TheHudsonPhoenix

5 жыл бұрын

I can imagine Keanu Reeves being a perfect fit to portray Ra's Al Ghul since they're both immortal.

@nickmattio3397

5 жыл бұрын

“Whoa.

@compassionatecurmudgeon7025

5 жыл бұрын

Keanu Reeves Savage to use his full name

@kvandevelde3687

5 жыл бұрын

The most evil Batman villain is Joel Schumacher

The best way to start and end the movie... is with the Joker telling his story and, right before he kills the person he tells the story to... The person asks if it is all true and the Joker laughes saying :"Well you see, sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I need an origin story, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

@Greggers1516

5 жыл бұрын

尺Mascarade oooh that’s cool

@eugene12310mobile

5 жыл бұрын

You can make it simple by just saying "At least that is how I think it went." Then bam use Laughing by The Guess Who for credits.

@ValatY

5 жыл бұрын

@@eugene12310mobile yeah, but that would be just saying "I guess so" the whole "sometiles I remember it.one way, sometimes another" is a pretty neat comic refrence

@eugene12310mobile

5 жыл бұрын

@@ValatY Depending on the theme of the movie, that would be too on the nose

@qevansable

5 жыл бұрын

Bro I so believe he can break the forth wall. See this guy imaginary axis, he has a great theory. Also, dc teased that their is really three jokers in rebirth.

This makes sense even on the Owlman from the Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths movie. Owlman is shown as a complete nihilist that wants to destroy all of reality because he considers that it is the only action that can have some sort of meaning. Batman even tells him while they fight that the difference is that, when he looked down the abyss he blinked. Owlman is, thus, a Batman that, just like The Joker, didn't find any meaning on his one bad day and instead embraced the meaningless of it, Owlman did the same on the deaths of his parents. Owlman is a Bruce Wayne that saw his parents killed in front of him, and instead of thinking "I'll dedicate my life to avenge this wrong and make sure it does not happen again" is a Bruce Wayne that went "My parents were two of the most honest, good hearted people in the world, and they died just like that, no grand scheme, no grand meaning. If innocents can be destroyed, then there is no innocence, if random events of injustice happen then there is no justice. Life is meaningless and so are our actions." Owlman is a Batman that has the nihilistic views of The Joker, without actually BEING The Joker.

@artypyrec4186

5 жыл бұрын

I like the concept, that the joker had a mental breakdown, losing a sense of self, gets locked up in arkham and over hears mental patients stories and his own jumbled life stories, mixing them together and the 'joker' is the outcome of the identity lost. And batman put most of them in Arkham so he becomes obsessed with him.

@kadarabdullahi

5 жыл бұрын

Kinda like what they did with The Batman who Laughs no?

@johngideon4650

5 жыл бұрын

owlman killed his parents bro...

I really liked the theory that Joker was a soldier. Probably a captain of a special task force which was sent to a suicide mission and left to die. Joker is the sole survivor with the scars. He lost every member of his team. Because he is a tactitioner, able to use many different weapons easily and he can fight well; this theory is the most believable for me. He doesn't exist on paper because he is deleted from every record by the government and the remaining top secret ones says that he is dead. He even says something that points to this theory in TDK. So his bad day is that day he lost everything. Bruce lost his parents which is a devastating experience. Joker lost every member of his team and his beliefs.

@kamenfann8880

5 жыл бұрын

interesting

So...now that the film's been out...are you going to revisit this? Here's hoping...

@LLMood

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah this show sucks without JITF

I heard a theory that Phoenix is playing a person in the real world who takes the persona of the Joker, from a comic. That’s why there is no Batman.

@MistarZtv

5 жыл бұрын

okay that is interesting

@andrewjohnstone7943

5 жыл бұрын

M E T A

@squ33

5 жыл бұрын

@Christian Tompkins oh they aren't going the route of the joker is the one to kill his parents are they?

@mon_nobi

5 жыл бұрын

That would be interesting and sorta cool, except likely not happening. One of the signs that those protesting jokers in the subway scene footage were holding up said "Hi, I'm still broke!" and the other said "Blame Wayne".

@mon_nobi

5 жыл бұрын

@squ33 yeesh let's hope not

Let's hope the movie is good.

@Erik-zd2oi

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@torgan

5 жыл бұрын

How am I gonna get likes with YOU here, competing with all of us?

@jordanpoveda2979

5 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah yeah

@superthorc6894

5 жыл бұрын

Justin Y. Yeah

@holdtrue2021

5 жыл бұрын

Justin Y just seen you in ReviewBrah 🍟

Wisecrack, you guys should create a subreddit, I can't be the only one wants to discuss these videos, without the KZread comment section devolving into the cesspool it usually does.

@WisecrackEDU

5 жыл бұрын

Come join us on Discord - we have awesome chat rooms on movies, TV shows, games, etc., and the whole team is on there. It’s part of our Patreon

@theconqueringenigma

5 жыл бұрын

Reddit wouldn't be any better. That place weaponizes toxicity.

@Spthomas47

5 жыл бұрын

This place really does bring out the worst in people, eh?

@Spthomas47

5 жыл бұрын

@@Kharis- sadly and indeed-ly

@JohnSmith-ww2mg

5 жыл бұрын

Congregate on 4chan

*POD RACING INTENSIFIES*

@davemarx7856

5 жыл бұрын

wizard

@Kehwanna

5 жыл бұрын

I'll try spinning! That's a good trick!

@seatspud

5 жыл бұрын

If anything is in need of a "multiple-choice-past", it's the prequels.

How could you forget the time the moebius chair, keeper of all knowledge, told batman there were 3 jokers

@jurgenshantz4273

5 жыл бұрын

Will Scott I thought they’ve already talked about them? Or was it film theory

@MistarZtv

5 жыл бұрын

@@jurgenshantz4273 it was something that happened right before the Rebirth reset. I haven't keep up with the batman comics since last summer, I wonder if they have followed up on that.

@willscott6194

5 жыл бұрын

@@jurgenshantz4273 film theory

@groofay

5 жыл бұрын

Oh my, how meta. A character in a narrative, called the Joker, and literally embodies the rule of three.

@DivineXPotato

5 жыл бұрын

@@MistarZtv they followed up on it a bit but as far as i know we don't have any solid answer yet as they only added a bit more but not really giving us the three different jokers quite yet.

they could make Joker an unreliable narrator 🤷🏾‍♂️

@yellowzebra1435

4 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what they did 👌

@L16htW4rr10r

4 жыл бұрын

Amazing guess

@kderoder

4 жыл бұрын

@@yellowzebra1435 Only for a small part of the movie. Seems like they could have done more with the Joker as an unreliable narrator.

@montaholic3120

4 жыл бұрын

@Jonnathan Crane or maybe he snapped when the kids beat him, when his mother insults him, or when his therapist leaves him. It's all ambiguous

@chancellorpalpatine4035

4 жыл бұрын

Jonnathan Crane or that could’ve just been a cut to the present. I’m okay with joker but I wish they’d avoided ever giving him an actual name.

I like the idea of just doing a straight forward origin story-make it believable, serious and tragic, and then at the very end just show us something that puts the entire story we just watched into doubt. That way we (hopefully) get a good story out of it while still keeping the Joker a mysterious figure.

i think part of the reason Gordon didn't go mad is that he may have been mentally stronger, but more importantly, he had batman. Almost all of the jokers backstories include him being abandoned (usually by force, such as the killing jokes story with his wife and unborn child dying, and being forced into a job by the mob only to get disfigured by chemical waste) Gordon seemed to be almost completely broken but when he saw batman he still had some hope and while he may have cracked, he wasn't completely broken.

@justiceforjoggers2897

5 жыл бұрын

I wonder if that's a true piece. After all, no lie nor myth is believed without a kernel of honesty

A movie about the Joker that is mostly a flashback told by him as an unreliable narrator could work... I mean, it whould be something like "The Usual Suspects" but with a juggaloo instead of Kevin Spacey (and that sounds crazy enought to maybe be great... Maybe)

@sirashley2355

5 жыл бұрын

I would watch that. you can have my $15 and -1 and a half hours- 3 hours when is the premier? should i dress up? will there be a red carpet and paparazzi? will i have plus 1

@Mario_Angel_Medina

5 жыл бұрын

@@sirashley2355 the answer to all that is "Yes"

@JK-gu3tl

5 жыл бұрын

The Killing Joke?

I feel like the Jokers multiple origin stories are what makes him so great. That being, not his definitive origin story but his many different interpretations that are told over different media forms and different plots or sometimes even several over just one single Batman story. It just further plants this seed of distrust we have for this character as we don't just get told one believable story but dozens. In the end, by telling his origin story over and over again the Joker just toys not only with Batman but also us, the audience as even though we may get the answer to our question, somehow we remain none the bit wiser or any more satisfied than before since no one knows what to believe anymore. This, to me, is what the Jokers character is about.

Wisecrack covering Scott Snyder?!?!?! HELLLLLLL YES!!!

@carlitojrbaylosis3844

3 жыл бұрын

Damn didn't know you like what I like hahaga

Read the poem The Shoelace by Charles Bukowski and it undermines the entire premise of The Killing Joke. For those too lazy to read a poem, the basic message is that it isn't the great events of suffering which drive the insanity in life. We actually have pretty good evolutionary coping mechanisms for fantastic trauma. What drives insanity is the constant little beatings of civilization. The car breaking down, the grocery bill, the doctor, the sandwich arriving cold and late from somebody who happens to throw in a rude comment. These are the essential ingredients to madness. It isn't one bad day that breaks people, it's the everyday *chaos* of natural existence bumping into the *order* of society.

@lofr8982

5 жыл бұрын

To be fair, I am also too lazy to read the killing joke.

@92brunod

5 жыл бұрын

factotum just because someone said something different it doesn't means it undermines another point of view. Bukowski does not possess a revealed truth, it's just his point and is as valid as any other. Specially because it's just a claim, not a scientifically backed theory or anything. Sorry to burst your pseudo intellectual literature student superiority complex.

@TuanNguyen-ko9wz

5 жыл бұрын

@factotum I agree mostly, but The Killing Joke itself also undermines its premise, which is devised by The Joker. The fact that Commish Gordon doesn't break is a testament to The Joker's false idea. Moore played the mind game with us really well.

@factotums

5 жыл бұрын

@@TuanNguyen-ko9wz That's true. Also the backstory they give The Joker isn't based upon his one bad day ruining him, it's based on all of the implied bad days which led his character to pursuing criminal activities.

Let's be honest, Joker past doesn't really matters.

@martingaggero8462

5 жыл бұрын

the fact that it doesnt matter, matters

@andresbarriga5305

5 жыл бұрын

@@martingaggero8462 And the fact that it matters that it doesn't matter, matters.

@uanime1

5 жыл бұрын

His past was explained in the Killing Joke, one of the most popular Batman graphic novels ever made.

@sirashley2355

5 жыл бұрын

NO IT DOESNT MATTER, but i still want to throw money at any production studio that can give me award worthy JOKER Adaptations(i love the JOKER, an insane-methodical-mastermind that can somehow get all the tons of people to fight the fucking Batman(just think about that fact alone) every time he's in town and out of jail or sprung from the looney bin). just keep zack snyder, ben affleck, m.night shyamalan and micheal bay away from it.

@uanime1

5 жыл бұрын

@@Bran_Flakesx7 Batman determined this using science.

I LOVE the theory that Heath Ledgers joker was actually a former Tier 1 Special Forces soldier. It just fits SOOOO perfectly. The things he says, the tactics and intel he has on operational skills lends itself perfectly to him being former spec ops or at the very least military intelligence.

Barbara in The Killing Joke was NOT "brutally raped". Even the author said that wasn't the case. Only pictures.

@Nlotus

5 жыл бұрын

That's correct. Both of the Gordons are stripped naked to break them, but not raped.

@memes_for_kings

5 жыл бұрын

Facts

@HoosierJedi

5 жыл бұрын

Seriously! This misconception drives me nuts.

@lastoflancas

5 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!!!

@WillGame4Beer

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I hate that oh so common misconception. I paused after that and looked for some sanity in the comments.

I hope they tell all 4 origin stories, disjointedly, as a jumbled mess, that is kinda terrible too watch, and its Narrated by the Joker, who is telling it too like.. 3 different guys in various parlous situations, and at the end of the Movie Batman busts in and it just cuts too credits with the Joker making a terrible Joke then laughing, and his laughter echos all through the Credits, and at the very end of the credits for the after Credits scene we see him in Arkhem Talking too doctor Harley Quinzel where he just starts telling the story all over again, but slightly different.

@whitetuxmafiaandfilms5042

5 жыл бұрын

Jack Ball get this man a camera

@Vernal_the_Oryx

5 жыл бұрын

That's actually genius, I agree

@vegapunkslab511

5 жыл бұрын

@@whitetuxmafiaandfilms5042 I second this^^^^

@MrWhiteVzla

5 жыл бұрын

This is a fantastic idea and one that should be made, but I doubt it will ever happen. Audiences *cough* critics *cough* who aren't familiar with the Joker's complex nature will chalk that type of movie to another DC disaster. Moreover, average movie goers would also complain that things aren't clearly explained. So between confused average viewers and oblivious critics, the movie would bomb.

@jamesgrinsen1085

5 жыл бұрын

Ah but that’s actually clever, and Hollywood producers are rarely clever with stories.

"It's over, Joker! I have the high ground" - Leaked line from the script.

"If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

Never really cared about Joker's origin. Snyder's run had me worried that it was going to be somewhat magical with the whole dionesium stuff though lol

@Dionizos666

5 жыл бұрын

Me to but it was red herring.I really like Joker from Greg Capullo and Scott snyder.The Zero Year,Death in the Family and Endgame.

@commonviewer2488

5 жыл бұрын

How do you feel about there being at least 3 Jokers? I believe it emphasizes the point of humanity being chaotic in nature when there have been multiple people behaving similarly anarchaic under the same name.

@Chandasouk

5 жыл бұрын

@@commonviewer2488 I don't know how I feel about the 3 Jokers. I really do want that book to come out though. Rebirth had a cool start back in 2016 trying to bring back Pre-New 52 stuff and whatnot and how certain things would be canon again. I thought it was gonna address why multiple versions of the Joker exist in the universe (probably Manhatten messing around). Not gonna be sure what the theme of the book is until we read it.

@KreativeHogwartsLegacyGUIDES

5 жыл бұрын

alright, since your a comic book fan, im just gonna put it out there, since I know you know. the red hood and death of robin thing in bvs was very reminiscent of both arkham knight and the killing joke. so we should assume at least that the origins were killing joke joker. maybe since arkham knight connect killing joke joker with under the red hood joker. and that would make the origins that joker was a failed comedian. in this regard, phoenixs joker fits perfectly with snyders joker, if all this is correct. idk though, i wanted to put out this theory cuz wisecrack doesnt seem like they are really into the joker, just into dark knights joker, which we should never revisit since it was one of nolans suggestions to let heath ledger rest in peace (why we never saw him in tdkr). also from the footage we saw, there is a plot line where the joker talks to someone who works at either a comedy club or bar or somewhere where he had a bad show... or he was a clown. either way, fits in line with killing joke.

@KreativeHogwartsLegacyGUIDES

5 жыл бұрын

@@commonviewer2488 i like this idea if they are able to pull it off. are you talking about in dc worlds multiverse or in comics? cuz i heard rumors that the shows are connect through the multiverse with snyder (no longer snyders) dc universe, making it like crisis infinite earths. just something i heard but dont know.

Amazing Video! I would love a video that goes through the philosophy of anarchism. Theres so many films, TV shows, and other media that explore this concept that you can pick which ever one you wanted too.

A small correction: its never said that barbara was raped in the killing joke. We only know that the joker shot her in the spine and photographed her naked to humiliate her. Its possible she was raped and it was simply never mentioned and we were just supposed to assume it, but that doesn't feel like something the joker would do. Most of the jokers crimes are demented and disgusting but almost never sexual in nature

A joker origin movie sounds horrible. It's reminds me of the line from the animated series "IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN A JOKE, THEN IT ISNT FUNNY ANYMORE"

@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi

5 жыл бұрын

Hasan Abbas well sometimes explaining the joke can be just as funny and fascinating as the joke itself. So give the movie a chance for God’s sake...

@stevenpetrillo9527

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi You're wrong. #justtrolling #gotcha

@jonathanswavely7259

5 жыл бұрын

You obviously haven't seen the trailer

@topo161

5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Swavely Of course he didn’t, because this was typed two months before the release of the trailer...

@jonathanswavely7259

5 жыл бұрын

@@topo161 Well I did say it was obvious

Idea for a story. Have the Joker tell multiple origins with all of the threads being specific to the "random" person, which is in some overly complex trap, that he has is using to antagonize/lure Batman, into their next ridiculous encounter. You could have the last scene with them waiting for Batman to appear. Hell, you could even have the Hostage come to appreciate, or even come to agree with the Joker, to then pan out with the two of them eagerly looking in anticipation, while waiting for the Dark Knight to appear.

@kamenfann8880

5 жыл бұрын

interesting

Well, I think the new joker movie turned out fantastic!

We live in a society

@1nva0er55

5 жыл бұрын

That's governed by rules. People think themselves to be good, but they are only 'good' because of those rules. (Keep this going guys)

@eiggeramat8086

5 жыл бұрын

Woutt64 [BOTTOM TEXT]

@eiggeramat8086

5 жыл бұрын

Woutt64 I SENT VERONICA A PICTURE OF MY MICROPENIS AND SHE WON'T ANSWER. FUCK YOU CHADS OPPRESSING US GAMERS

@kadarabdullahi

5 жыл бұрын

Therefore the only thing separating man from unleasing the morally depraved, savage beast that lurks inside is the fear of being punished by said society. Punishment in the form of being scolded, imprisoned, or ostracized depending on the severity of the infringement.

@MrJaidhawk

5 жыл бұрын

That’s crazy bro 😶

Keep the fantastic videos coming. Thanks wisecrack you all are awesome!

Very thoughtful video as always. Thanks!

*Take time like the river that never grows stale. Keep going and steady. No hurry, no rush.*

@holdtrue2021

5 жыл бұрын

👍

@darkinsights066

5 жыл бұрын

So... Do you like huey lewis and the news?

I have an idea: Why not use the joker as an narrator in the movie. Let him tell his own background story, this way we can never be sure if he is telling the truth or not. Bonus points if this story contains all the theories that were made about his origen, especially if they don't go well together and break the story if look ad with a sharp eye. He did fall in the acid, he did kill Bruce his parents, he was an comedian and he did have debts with the mob or did he? Leave it open for the viewer what to believe of it and what not.

@SeasideDetective2

5 жыл бұрын

What about the one where he was a shell-shocked soldier in the Middle East, as Ledger's Joker suggested?

Fantastic video!!! Very well done!!

"Her naked body broken, bloody and brutally raped." *Spits out coffee* Whoa whoa whoa! Where was THAT in the book? I don't think it's ever really established. Like, I don't think it's ever really implied unless the reader chooses to see it that way. Like, I would've understood a bit better if you had just said raped, but you said "brutally raped", as if it were crystal clear that's what happened.

@bjornsmith9431

5 жыл бұрын

You are right there was never mention Joker's Semen stain in the apartment or the Batman Killing Joke story.

@jackhanson3856

5 жыл бұрын

Bjorn Smith I don't know if you're being sarcastic. But there really wasn't.

@ciriknockoff5738

5 жыл бұрын

Sadly it's a misconception a lot of people have. That and that Batman killed Joker at the end. Which was confirmed as not being the case by the author and yet people still insist that's what happened :/

The joker is unique because he is a trickster archetype, which makes sense why his origin story is hard, the trickster is one step below a god and is not very fathomable for humans. Oddly enough, Neo from the matrix is a trickster too, (he’s destroying the matrix, Heath ledger is destroying Gotham, their motives and results are foggy) but Neo’s origin story is there clearly and it works

That was actually Morrison that came up with the multiple persona thing, not Landis. Coined it Super Sanity as its theorized to be a coping mechanism "more fit for life in the 21st century." Also, I like the observation of Joker utilizing social engineering like creating an echochamber out of confirmation bias because I think it's also shown many times throughout multiple iterations as he always seems to amass an army of cult-like criminal followers that remain fiercely loyal to him and pretty much seem to dedicate their lives to creating as much discord as possible and aiding him in proving his radical absurdist motivations. Just a thought, though. I'm sure there's more that could be looked into there with that.

I couldn't agree more with the premise. I'm not the biggest Bat-fan in the world, but you can't be into superheroes and not respect the mythos at least a little. For me, I grew up on the 90s Animated Series. As a result, my favorite Joker stories are the ones about what he DOES, not who he used to be. In the DCAU, "Joker's Favor," "Joker's Millions," "Mad Love," the "Mask of the Phantasm" movie, the Batman Beyond movie "Return of the Joker," and the two-part Justice League episode "Wild Card", are all exceptionally entertaining Joker stories, each one with its own take on who he is, what he does, and why. The first two Batman: Arkham games (and, to a degree, Arkham Knight) are variations on the same theme. None of them touch on his origin, even in the suplementary and bonus materials you can find throughout each of them. He's just this nightmare, equal parts malevolence, goofiness, and intelligence. Even "Beware the Creeper," the DCAU episode that most closely resembles an origin story for the Joker, isn't as interesting for the history as it is for what he does with it. The same might well be true of "The Killing Joke," I don't know as I haven't read it. (is it any wonder Mark Hamill's my favorite Joker?)

Wow this was amazingly well thought out . Love your guys content

I’m not even into superhero movies but this video is fantastic. Well done.

The joker is an epic gamer

@MetalShag

5 жыл бұрын

Lekan Atigarin i know

@jakespacepiratee3740

5 жыл бұрын

I guess that makes Batman the Furry?

A backstory for the Joker that shows him assuming whatever form most repulses the target, the form that is the worst they think people can be, and him using the power that gives him over them, using their own fear and willingness to hate against them.... that could work wonders, but it would be tremendously tricky to pull off without freaking out the audience.

Love your videos guys

I want the film to set during the kidnap and murder of Jason Todd. Just to mess with Jason's perception of reality, Joker tells him a blatantly wrong story of his origin, sprinkling in with small nuggets of truth. As Jason's mind deteriorates, he begins to accept Joker's story, until he sees Batman as the villain.

@kamenfann8880

5 жыл бұрын

interesting

Joker shouldn't have a definitive or even exploratory origin. If you have to explain a joke, then it isn't funny anymore.

That analysis was really well done.

I think one way you could have the joker movie end is him saying at the end "and that's how I got here... well. At least that's one way I remember it". And then you hear him laughing, eventually fading out and the credits roll.

1: This new joker movie is gonna be an elseworld concept. 2: Theres a young bruce character in the movie, but he's a kid by the time the joker is around 40. That confirms that the joker in this movie is not gonna be the joker fighting Batman. Fortifying the concept that ''The Joker'' is not one person. But one person started it all. You have alot of responsibility when making these kinda videos, therefore i would and others would appreciate if you did some more research to your work. Good video tho :))

@gameking8809

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno. In Burton´s Batman Joker was also much older than Batman.

But how DID he get those scars?

@TheDrinkyDude

5 жыл бұрын

He fell over in church

@Hevvvyyy

5 жыл бұрын

A hot pocket blew up his face

@lcddrownd874

5 жыл бұрын

You don't wanna know

@Tacoinhalo117

5 жыл бұрын

Self inflicted for purpose of concocting fake stories?

@darkmyro

5 жыл бұрын

There's a fan theory that says the joker was a soldier versed in guerilla tactics. He knows how to use military weapons, he knows how to set up bombs. The scars were from where he was tortured. It was something to that degree anyway.

Really good video guys :)

Great video !

You guys should team up with Comics Explained and make a philosophy of the Batman who Laughs

@norsegoat1408

5 жыл бұрын

Heck yeah!

i think the title is supposed to be 'doesn't matter'

You misspoke - Joker doesn't "spread anarchy". He generates chaos. "Anarchy" is the most misunderstood, misapprehended, and misapplied word in the world. And "anarchy" has absolutely no relation to "chaos".

The same thing happened to me when Marvel decided to give Wolverine an origin story in 2001's comic "ORIGIN". Knowing what happened in "Weapon X" was enough, having the mistery was better than knowing an actual fact.

I'd love to hear Jared's thoughts on it now that it's out.

Yo Wisecrack may you make a video on the philosophy of Allan Watts, pleaseee!!

Yo I just discovered this channel. This is so inspiring (Not the joker good insight ) But inspired me that I can take my YT channel to everything I have passion for. Thank you for existing WiseCrack. This is awesome. I want to talk more about self-improvement, digital marketing and Stuff like this... CULTURE MOVIES and how people can use them to improve their life

I’d love to see the film end with the joker saying “of course, that’s only one possibility” and it cuts to him standing in front of a guy, tied to a chair, and then showing a montage of various “origin stories” to the song used in the trailer.

Which joker is this? The gangster (suicide squad) The terrorist (dark knight) The comedian (dc cartoons & tim burtons batman) ???????????????????????????????????????????????

@mriganabh248

5 жыл бұрын

What if all of them?

nah !!! all they are gonna do is reveal the midichloriens type of things , things that people think they want to know but absolutly don"t joker's origine should be kept mysterious it part of the charm , but ya ain't gonna agree with me till you'll find out in the theater that i was right

Joker is Vandal Savage from a different Earth. He learned how to travel to different dimensions and learned about Lazarus pits but didn't realize you have to use the pits from your Earth otherwise the frequencies would mix and your memories would scatter.

The Joker puts it best why we wouldn't appreciate a definitive origin: "Answers don't give you everlasting satisfaction. Sometimes you need to brace yourself for disappointment. Think about it. Imagine your favorite TV show. You've been through it all. The ups, the downs, the crazy coincidences, and then: bang! They tell you what it's all about. Would you be happy? Does it make sense? How come it all ended in a church?" - Joker, Batman Arkham City

I am really hoping the movie is like Momento. But even more difficult to understand.

Gotham offers another explanation: The Joker isn't a person, but a persona adopted by many people by different means, and with some different outcomes

The thing people need to remember is that this is a character piece first and a joker movie second. It’s not an origin story, but a movie about what it takes to make an everyday guy become something like the joker.

There should never be a definitive Joker origin. That’s what adds to his allure and mystery. His IQ is somehow 350, which probably makes him the most intelligent human being ever and it is precisely this and his lack of a past which makes him the greatest villain ever.

Personally I don't think the joker has an origin, he just looked in the mirror one day and thought I'm gonna be the joker, the bleached white skin just came later

@TheMimo2001

5 жыл бұрын

Then wouldn't that be his origin

@MLF4468

5 жыл бұрын

I mean that is an origin

@frick_____you

5 жыл бұрын

So he didn't even have a bad day?

@jamiejjosborn

5 жыл бұрын

Ok it's technically an origin, but to me being insane just makes sense to the joker, it's just who he wants to be

@Yzerbruh

5 жыл бұрын

Or they pull a fast one on us and go with the 'Alfred is the Joker' theory. The Joker being created as a literal foil for Batman, at some point inspiring copycats who become the actual Joker(s).

Nolan's joker works because of Heath Ledger.

@gdavis2bn

4 жыл бұрын

Or any other good actor that would've committed to the role.

Woah. I love that The Joker was wearing a jumpsuit that said Joe's Garage on that comic cover. I never really expected that I'd see a Frank Zappa reference in a Joker/Batman comic. Especially a reference to my absolute favorite Zappa album. I just fell in love with The Joker all over again.

I have never thought The Joker's origin mattered. The Killing Joke is important because it's the basis for The Joker's ideology of why/how he exists and how Bruce Wayne/Batman fits into, whereas James Gordon doesn't. It's why Batman and Joker need each other, they are the same. The moment where he tells Batman "the joke" is pure poetry. It's one of my fave Alan Moore graphic novels.

Anyone here after the movie?

now do Ridlle or Penguin!

Reminds me of a quote from another debatably insane super villain, Dr. Hannibal Lecter. During their first meeting in Thomas Harris’s books, Clarice offers to listen about whatever trauma made Lecter the way he is, to which he responds: “Nothing happened to me, Officer Starling. I happened. You can’t reduce me to a set of influences. You’ve given up good and evil for behaviorism, Officer Starling. You’ve got everyone in moral dignity pants (hospital diapers)-nothing is ever anybody’s fault. Look at me, Officer Starling. Can you stand to say I’m evil? Am I evil, Officer Starling?” Then they gave him a shitty origin story... but Hannibal Rising didn’t happen.

“If I’m going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!” That quote is what love about the Joker and Mark Hamill voice too.

I never watch American superhero movies. Couldn’t care less about them, frankly... except Batman & Joker.

@holdtrue2021

5 жыл бұрын

same & IMO Heath was the BEST Joker

@alexkirrmann8534

5 жыл бұрын

American? That's weird. Then you pick the most American ironic characters outside of maybe Capt and Superman.

I thought the joker wasnt allowed to have an origin story 😂

@uanime1

5 жыл бұрын

It was explained in the Killing Joke, one of the most popular Batman graphic novels ever made.

@gtarman94

5 жыл бұрын

Ik great animated movie too

@gtarman94

5 жыл бұрын

Im making fun of the people that whine and complain that he shouldnt have one 😂

@KevinReijnders93

5 жыл бұрын

@@gtarman94 Eh, the animated adaption of the comic was a bit weird. The whole part with Barbara as batgirl wasn't necessary and only served to make things weirdly disjointed. Not to mention batsex

@gtarman94

5 жыл бұрын

@@KevinReijnders93 eh i enjoyed it for what it was It still explained jokers origin which was cool

The perfect way for the End of the Joker Movie is to have turn out that it was being told by him the whole time

@editating_2614

4 жыл бұрын

Close enough

Joker's mysterious past is because his creators Jerry Robinson and Bob Kane were undecided about his origin and secret identity in the 1940s when they created him. An origin story would just establish a new canon. Such a story would need to wrap up his military intelligence skills shown in Dark Knight, his mob connections, murder of the Waynes and Freak Lab Accident in Batman (1989), his childhood in Gotham, his comic book tech, Animated Series relationship with Harley Quinn, etc. This would be familiar enough to please Bat-fans. A realistic approach like Dark Knight, as in Neo-Noir/psychological thriller/gangster movie would appeal to movie buffs.

His origins shouldn’t be known.

@velvethunder

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@holdtrue2021

5 жыл бұрын

agree there's some things that should be left to the imagination

@Dionizos666

5 жыл бұрын

Its already known,ACE Chemicals....

Asserting that Nolan/Ledger's Joker isn't psychotic weirdly sidesteps all the people he's murdering and mutilating throughout the film, don't you think?

@Soletestament

5 жыл бұрын

psychosis is not being able to distinguish between reality and fantasy. You could consider him a sociopath as he never demonstrates empathy throughout the film. But given his ideological slant its more accurate to say he puts his message above the lives of others. Which historically is something many rational people have done. Including presidents, Generals and Priests. Doesn't necessarily mean they are unable to empathize with others... just that they value something else more.

@andresvillanueva5131

5 жыл бұрын

Thinking that only crazy people can kill it's one of the most absurd prejudices that one can have, also a very dangerous one

@warlockofwordsreturnsrb4358

5 жыл бұрын

@@andresvillanueva5131 A character who oh-so -frequently gets committed to Arkham Asylum is fairly obviously a psychotic.

@valcliffb8558

5 жыл бұрын

He seems entirely too lucid to be psychotic. The only disease he seems to be battling with is society at large, and the only friend he has is Bats. That's why killing is all relative to him, except for if he's holding a knife in someone's mouth.

@andresvillanueva5131

5 жыл бұрын

@@warlockofwordsreturnsrb4358 how many times has Nolan Joker been commited to Arkham Asylum?? So far THAT Joker goes, is just one. Psycopaths and sociopaths are not psychotic, they're very lucid and know very well what they're doing

Really cool take on the philosophy of joker! Tnx

Hey Wisecrack, do you plan on doing anymore deep dives on comics runs? Would love to see you all cover Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips' comics work. ^^ love the channel and all the work you all do :)

The "Gotham" joker origin, did make the serie worse. He is better when you do not know the origin. I can't see how this movie will be good. But, I do hope I am wrong.

@josesosa3337

5 жыл бұрын

Gotham did an oopsie. It reduces yhe joker if different people with trauma ne just like him.

I for one love the idea of the film using the Joker to comment on the current political climate. If the Joker is more of a symbol than a man with a complete, concrete backstory, that idea is perfect on multiple levels. Firstly, the archetype of the clown, the trickster, has always been used as a challenger to the political establishment/elite. It's an old theater tradition. Secondly, the Joker being used in that way would hark back to the character who inspired his creation: Gwynplaine from Victor Hugo's "The Man Who Laughs". To be brief--very brief, as the novel is 306 pages long--Gwynplaine was disfigured with a Glasgow smile as a child to punish his nobleman father who spoke for the people. Gwynplaine, of course, grows up knowing nothing of this and becomes a clown, and even finds love with a blind girl, Dea. Queen Anne's court, however, discovers his origins and whisks him away to be reinstated to his father's titles. They expect Gwynplaine to be an easily-controllable puppet, but in an impassioned speech he gives in the House of Lords, Gwynplaine tells the aristocracy he's seen too much to be their plaything: "A king made me a clown. Your happiness is made from your neighbor's misery."

awesome endcard!

He isn’t the villain with the clear motive and backstory but he’s an idea of chaos and that one bad day can make anyone insane like him

13:00 Sounds like every woman I know.

@Rukain

5 жыл бұрын

Haha lol

Joker's origin was explained in the Killing Joke, one of the most popular Batman graphic novels ever made. Also his origin was explained in Detective Comics #168, which was written in 1951.

@adidas-dd4dt

5 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video at all??

@uanime1

5 жыл бұрын

@@adidas-dd4dt Yes and it omitted that Joker has had an origin story since 1951 and it didn't ruin his mystique.

Can't complain, and I'm good at it. Good video. Thank you!

Joker's origin story has always intrigued me - after all, it's curious to know how or why the Joker is the way he is. But the mystery of his character is probably the reason why some people tend to flock to him, because it's so malleable that you can believe it to be almost whatever you want so long as you end up with the final ending of him being the Joker. Alan Moore's is probably the most iconic in terms of comics, showing a very good parallelism to Batman, and gives him the most sympathy from readers, at least to an extent. Ledger's Joker is very, very popular and one of the most iconic depictions of him, focusing less on his backstory and more on his ideology. And you can't forget about Nicholson or Romero, but I'm trying to make this as short as possible lol. Now there's a lot of opinion on Snyder Joker's origin. Personally, I enjoyed his depiction of Joker as a character, making him both a terrifying and mysterious figure. What I didn't enjoy was the whole dionesium-creating-immortality because I feel that was kind of a cheap explanation. I was hoping, rather, that the idea of "Joker" is like Ledger's - an ideology and "personality" that manages to somehow survive and affect different people throughout the history of, almost as though it's a virus. People taking the mantle of Joker one after another, unknowingly carrying on this "virus" until Batman comes. But then again, idk. Maybe it is best to leave Joker's origins in the shadows. I still liked the comic overall tho. I'm hoping that the 3 Jokers comic and the Joker movie is entertaining, at least. You know, lots of twists and turns, an unreliable narrator maybe? I'm pretty open minded to whatever depiction of Joker and honestly really excited to what they're going to show.

Uumm, what about Joker's 1951 origin story, portraying him as a failed comedian pressured into committing crime as the Red Hood to support his pregnant wife. Batman's interference causes him to leap into a chemical vat, which disfigures him.

@connorlangley3467

5 жыл бұрын

chaser107 that’s the killing joke they talked about it

The rumor about the film commenting on the current political climate better be wrong... I don't want to see politics in my entertainment.

@bipolarcynic3249

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly, it's just going to ruin the film.

@FortuitusVideo

5 жыл бұрын

@white america's worst nightmare None of those movies comment EXPLICITLY on current politics. They are more generalized and philosophical.

I need the Wisecrack team to be the Consulting Office to all Comic movies.

What could make this new Joker movie work. Perhaps the backstory being told in the trailer is just one of three different stories he's telling to various Arkham therapists. "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another"

I already have no hope the movie will be better than this wisecrack video

@kamenfann8880

5 жыл бұрын

LoL

4:14 not raped, the joker, for how sick he is, doesn't care about sex unless some writers want him to

I feel like the red hood acid bath thing is pretty much canonical at this point as his de facto origin story. The exact details change just as much as any other superhero's/villain's origin changes with every retelling of the story.

You know, the joker looks really like the protagonist of Victor Hugo's „L'homme qui sourrit“ which deals with a man who was kidnnapped by child sellers who cut him the mouth on a way that it looked like he was always smiling.