if limpers are something you rarely encounter, you're not table selecting enough.

Such a useful video for me :D thanks , Ryan, sick vid as always.

This guy is one of the greatest analytical minds on KZread for poker. It is really exhausting trying to absorb everything that comes out of his mouth. I gotta take notes.

We love your videos !!!

Ryan, this is a serious question, I am not trolling. Did you do a really long mega session and strat video in one day? You have had the same shirt on for over a month's worth of Upswing videos.

@ryanfee1852

7 жыл бұрын

Yes

@ununseptium7961

7 жыл бұрын

Ryan Fee This proves to me that I am not healthy enough to be GTO right now.

@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027

6 жыл бұрын

Fees the kind of guy to have 15 of the same shirt

@brianlee1417

9 ай бұрын

@@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027 looks more like the kind of guy that wears the same shirt 15 days in a row.

cool points, thanks! sometimes it's fun instead of opening big vs limpers to open small or even minimum when IN POSITION in order to take lead and make villain check to you post.

Limp suited 1 gappers and suited connectors and lower pairs with them, 3-bet premium hands. I have burned my stack by 3-betting marginal hands in position. The problem comes when there are other aggressive 3-betters on the table.

@Evergreen0021

4 жыл бұрын

It depends on position for me. If it's not from utg and I have position, I'll raise any hand that I'd play from that position, except pairs. I'll just limp them. If I'm in the blinds I just call or check everything but massive pairs. Oop I just wanna see a cheap flop. I'm not that fussed if AK doesn't hit. I've lost nothing. They won't fold to my raise anyways, so what's the point. I also only raise them 3.5x, so that if I get 3 bet it's not a disaster. Easy game.

@brianlee1417

9 ай бұрын

@@Evergreen0021 Tight Utg opens to $7 in a 1-2 game and you have a small pp in Co. Do you flat or fold?

Hey Ryan, I looked over a bunch of your stuff and I feel that your fullring ranges are way off. It looks like you guys ported your 6-max ranges onto fullring.

Hi, Ryan, great video as always. What do you think about open-limping strategies against aggresive opponents on your left? I've read articles that talk about an active and balanced open-limping strategy to counter aggresive 3-bettors that will take position on you, however, by limping we manage to play a smaller pot with a medium strenght hand that otherwise would've been bigger had we opened preflop.

@theartofcompetition5965

7 жыл бұрын

its too hard to balance imo very seldomly would i take this approach. you would need to have a very good read on your opponent on your left and know how he plays postflop very well. if those criteria arent met your life will be so much easier just raise calling raise folding and raise 4bet

@FiroRosso

7 жыл бұрын

Of course, that's what I meant by balanced open-limping strat. You have your limp-folding range, limp-calling and limp-raising range which contains value and bluffs. I'm not too fond of tha strategy, however I found it very interesting as it is very unique in its concept and that it oges against the status quo of the poker philosophy at the moment.

@ryanfee1852

7 жыл бұрын

If they raised so much that you could limp your ENTIRE range and get to limp/3-bet many very strong hands then I would say it potentially has merit, but I think playing a mixed strategy is a good way to bite off too much and fail.

@FiroRosso

7 жыл бұрын

I see, that makes sense too.

this is a really excellent video and way of quantifying your edge in a live game. I have been raising pretty big in live games in LA, although mainly of the 100bb variety (5x). my reasoning is I want to punish them with my tight and strong range, but it does give you less wiggle room post-flop so I never bluff lol. is this a good or bad idea in your view? thanks

@keenanmartens

7 жыл бұрын

you never bluff? seems like a pretty big mistake to me

@keenanmartens

7 жыл бұрын

you never bluff? seems like a pretty big mistake to me

@MelFinehout

7 жыл бұрын

+keenan martens that's because you don't play in the live LA cash scene. Never bluffing is very profitable.

@brianlee1417

9 ай бұрын

@@MelFinehout How about in Vegas...never bluffing still very profitable?

@MelFinehout

9 ай бұрын

@@brianlee1417 if people fold enough or too much I bluff. If they fold way too little I won’t. It’s a judgement call. I remember watching a Reg get almost 300 BB in with top top. Overbet MASSIVELY on flop and turn. He knew too pair was NOT going to fold and neither was a flush draw. He adjusted by SMASHING the pot for value. I am damn sure he wouldn’t be bluffing there. Why would you. At low stakes people usually fold too much or too little. And almost always raise too value heavy. If they fold too much over bluff. If they fold too little under bluff. This is the glory of low stakes poker.

So if you have multiple open limpers behind you, is it the same concept? Fold a slightly larger chunk of your normal opening range, limp a slightly larger chunk of your normal range? Maybe like 5-6% each against let's say 3 limpers and you're the cutoff?

@ryanfee1852

7 жыл бұрын

not that tight but yes

how about raise sizing do you kep making it bigger to you get most folds.

@fastcornbread

5 жыл бұрын

Nathan Heaver the problem is, in loose games these guys always call when somebody else does. They play pot odds non-stop. You have to know what kinda game you’re dealing with. if you’re under the gun a larger raise leads to more people wanting to get in preflop. On the button has the same problem with limpers. However if somebody had already opened and others have called, you have to jam or simply call. A three bet won’t isolate the pot in a loose game. So, save your money and stick to a standard raise (whatever that is for you). Otherwise, If you’re happy with your hand and the size of the pot just go all in. It’s the only way to assure pot isolation.

how to play vs 100% limpers. the guy only play limp and other players keep giving money to him. he is already giant on chips and keep limping. what do you do?

And are we getting to a point where this game is maybe over-analyzed?

@toddschriver9924

6 жыл бұрын

No, if it becomes a "solved" game it will be like checkers: every competitive game ended in a draw, the competitive scene died.

@imsgoalie1

6 жыл бұрын

There's no incomplete information in checkers, and also no luck. So it's entirely possible that the play of the best NLHE players in the world is approaching what true GTO poker looks like, but variance can maintain the illusion of a skills gap between two similarly competent players for pretty decent stretches of time.

@imsgoalie1

6 жыл бұрын

Point being, it will be very difficult to tell, at least for a long while, once the game of NLHE is solved.

@toddschriver9924

6 жыл бұрын

Depends, if online, you will begin to see earnings graphs with no downswings over more than a few hundred hands and that top level players will have no more advantage than pure chance allows. What I mean by "solved" is that tournament checkers got to a point where top level games only ended in draws and there was a limited number of move sequences that were played. www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/magazine/09_15_checkers.html Oddly, there are still checkers tournaments, but they start with 3 random starting moves so there is actually a problem to solve.

@imsgoalie1

6 жыл бұрын

Interesting, about checkers. I think the greater number of game states possible in NLHE sort of already has this "3 random starting moves" feature built in. How often are we ever truly facing the same situation twice?We can sort of chunk similar situations together when thinking about the game, but there's so many variables in NLHE. Where as in checkers, it's entirely reasonable to think you could run into identical board configurations all the time. It's just infinitely simpler, and also, no luck or incomplete information. That said, there is some homogenization of play styles at the highest levels in NLHE. There are lots of things that are pretty standard now (among professionals at least) and accepted as being at least close to optimal play, where there used to be a variety of opinion on how to approach those situations.

You made it sound like we don't want them to limp-fold, which is a bit weird. I doubt their "explotation" of folding some of their weak hands outweighs us playing big pots in position versus a weak opponent, even if they have a 5% equity edge

@UpswingPoker

7 жыл бұрын

It is definitely a win if they fold, but playing a big pot IP vs someone who chose to limp PF is also very exciting :)

@josephbartholdi7939

7 жыл бұрын

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@oyuyuy

7 жыл бұрын

Joseph Bartholdi

Hey Ryan, loving the videos but..... could you speak a little more slowly please?

@ryanfee1852

7 жыл бұрын

Sure, I will in the future.

Poor audio.

Its very hard for me to focus on your video. :(

Im confused.

He talks really fast

Lucky he has Doug to do the speaking. Really bad speaker.

You can tell he often is thinking faster than he's talking (interrupting his own thoughts, trailing off at the end of some more "random" thoughts), and increasing his volume when he's overly "into it". His content is great, but quite often, i'm not in the mood to wade through these idiosyncrasies. This is obviously just my opinion... many others are OK with it.

Simplifying to illustrate often makes sense, but raising to $8 from the cuttoff in a 1/2 game and only getting 1 caller os so unrealistic, its pointless to consider.

@pugsnhogz

6 жыл бұрын

No it's not

whaaat ??/...lol...there has gotta be an easier way to explain that.

@Gos1234567

7 жыл бұрын

So playing v limpers I would...well not always...like....ummmm.....maybe.....lets says the pot is big..no small,, ummmm,4 limpers, play 2-3% less bottom of ,well kinda bottom of range,,, ummm ..maybe .. like ,anyway Well that's it guys

On what fucking planet in a $1/$2 NLHE live casino game and with limpers in front of you does a raise to $8 or $10 get it heads up, especially when from the cut off you still have extra players to even act???????? My experience you want it heads up you have to make it $25+ to go and you better reduce your range to top 4 starting hands AA KK QQ AKs< cause 3 out of 4 times any caller jams a rag rag rag partly connected flop on you.

With these guys, don’t waste your money betting more preflop in order to isolate the pot....they’re gonna fucking call especially after one other person called. Stick to your standard raise....if there’s already a raise and you’re thinking about three betting, it’s all in or just call. These loose games get frustrating, but if you have kings or aces then fuck ‘em. They’re gonna call a three bet with anything, especially with other callers involved. They play pot odds and suck out. Don’t give them that opportunity. Go all in or just call. Jacks especially. Not a great three bet in a loose game.

A public speaking class would be helpful for you sir.

@MrMrilikepie1234

7 жыл бұрын

Who cares? The information (which is valuable) is easy enough to absorb. He's a very good poker player, doing these videos as a courtesy to us. No need to bash him for things that are barely noticeable. He's doing a good job

@gameragedad8953

6 жыл бұрын

MrMrilikepie1234 I care. I don't care if you're the smartest man in the world, if you can't communicate information to people effectively that essentially makes you the village idiot. I'm very accustom to people speaking English quickly, but even this guy talks too fast for me to comprehend his points. It's like he did cocaine before he did this video. Furthermore, I'd have to re-watch this video 5 or 10 times before I even understood the point he was trying to make because he is just rambling things from his head. In short, like I said, he may be a great player, but I don't care because even understanding poker terms, I don't fully understand the point he is trying to make because his communication skills suck. And that makes this a bad video in my opinion.

@mydogsbestfren7490

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrMrilikepie1234 theres like half the video i cant hear/understand/dont get help from the captions with. a better mic/room acoustics would mean i dont have to scrub back 30 times a video. dont take things so personally, eric hershel said that as nicely as possible even added sir lol

Got to Agree Eric. Terrible . Very bad speaker. Read his stuff don't listen to him. Horrible

Ryan. You speak too fast and frequently jumble several words together making it hard to understand you.