I'm really digging Scott's new American accent

@ronlawrence5635

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. He is much easier to understand.

@flash001USA

3 жыл бұрын

That is so funny because I pulled this up on my phone and at first glance I thought it was Scott and I expected to hear Scott then I heard an American accent in which point I had to take a second take.

@ianleonard3264

3 жыл бұрын

@@flash001USA same i saw this comment the video started and my brain ate itself

@flash001USA

3 жыл бұрын

@@ianleonard3264 Had I seen it on a computer screen I would have picked up on before he spoke.

@ianleonard3264

3 жыл бұрын

@@flash001USA ye im on my phone too i guess all i ever look for is bald and glasses apparently i dont look any closer as long as im given what im expected lmfao

Ian is a great addition to the team, one of the best teachers you’ve had

@yuichituba

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree! He's great!

@PatrickChannonInPost

3 жыл бұрын

YES

@BlooblooPea

3 жыл бұрын

His explanations are simple and make sense to everyone :)

@scarab944

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Thorough explanations & contagious enthusiasm make for a great teacher.

@dinglebass

3 жыл бұрын

100%

Great to hear bass player & drummer discussing this type of thing. Really informative

@markblackstad8705

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this was very interesting. Most of this goes unsaid between drummer and bassist but breaking it down makes you think about it and see how you can improve or just even be more aware of what is going down.

@opiegonebad58

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I've been playing this way subconsciously because to me it 'feels' right. I never actually realized that I was playing behind the beat, I just thought it felt and sounded better to me. Now I will be much more conscious of what I am doing.

@pd4165

3 жыл бұрын

I once tried to discuss playing around with the beat with the band's (not mine! I wanted him fired) drummer. I was explaining it in English, but the drummer was listening in Neanderthal. Without communication the marriage ended up in divorce...I left.

@johnd5398

7 ай бұрын

@@pd4165 welcome to drummers. Even the Muppets understood this concept.

Is there any way these two can just broadcast their conversations 24/7 and the rest of us can just sit back, learn, and send them some pizza and drinks to keep them alive?

@stephengoold

3 жыл бұрын

I'm super into this idea :)

@heavyribass8413

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha I'm in

Everything about this video is confusing. The bassist looks like Scott, but the drummer sounds like Scott with American accent.

@devinebass

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@adamkrayevsky4563

3 жыл бұрын

Scott obviously has more personalities than one. I wonder how does it look like Scott the guitarist, Scott the vocalist, or Scott the dancer....

@MikeNevill3

3 жыл бұрын

It's the eyes .. I can tell it wasent them

@PeerHond69

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamkrayevsky4563 scott the dancer 😂 oh boy im gonna have some weird dreams tonight! 😂

@ricethelizard7713

3 жыл бұрын

Kind of reminds me of the Nolly playthrough, Scott playing some heavy chugs haha

One of the most valuable lessons in music and something understood by very, very few players or producers. This is another example that explains why quantizing sucks the life out of so many recordings. VERY WELL DONE GUYS!

@dylanadams1455

7 ай бұрын

Yes! Also how bands would organically speed up or slow down in certain parts of a song unconsciously, to match the energy of the section.

@smoothestbassist7086

7 ай бұрын

It didn't take me long to learn to hate the quantize function in my DAW for this very reason. Nothing else can wreck a really cool groove with one little click of a mouse button quite like it.

@trevorprice2490

7 ай бұрын

I mean, start off with quantizing, but couldn't digital tools give you the ability to move the drums or bass behind the beat exactly the way that sounds the best?

@future62

7 ай бұрын

​@@trevorprice2490this is exactly what I do. Midi latency makes it hard to nail the timing so I quantize and fix my feel afterwards. Tools aren't good or bad it's just how you use them

I've heard so many people talk about feel, or playing behind the beat. This is the absolute best explanation I've come across. You made it make sense.

@tomasvanecek8626

Жыл бұрын

You have no idea.. read my comment above - not cos of me, but of John Paul Jones my man 😉 This is load of ... and you gotta be able to play it, thats it

@perpetualgrimace

Жыл бұрын

@@tomasvanecek8626 yeah man I'll just scroll through the other 450+ comments until I find whatever it is you're talking about

@tomasvanecek8626

Жыл бұрын

@@perpetualgrimace Well it it is right at the top of the comments now.. like 2 hrs ago

@Gruuvin1

7 ай бұрын

​@@tomasvanecek8626it's at the top of the comments ONLY FOR YOU, because that's how KZread works. The rest of us have no idea what you are rambling on about.

@tomasvanecek8626

7 ай бұрын

@@Gruuvin1 Yeah, the YT shadow banning for dissenting voices.. how gh3y 😘.. lets see, I repost the important part again: Messing playing behind the beat with just slowing down, my gosh.... the drummer has to play also behind, kick and snare ... you both can BE behind... but keeping the time, at the same time, with hihat or ride... understand ? Bit difficult for the drummer... but both of you are so so wrong here.. JP Jones and Bonham often stretched it .. they even competed how far behind they can get, see it here, 11:52 from JPJ himself : "we had a contest.. how far can you go.." 12:34 - "show us an example..." kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5WVk8OxepmZgco.html Boys.. get your act together :)

That bass is beautiful.

@normg2242

3 жыл бұрын

I've seen one in a store like this and the thin line around the pick guard was red, not black as it usually is. Looked so cool!

@madaxe79

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds fantastic too

@RCAvhstape

3 жыл бұрын

Fender calls that finish "antigua"

As a rhythmically challenged guitarist I'm just happy to be somewhere close to the beat.😂 Thanks for the demonstration guys. Gave me something to shoot for.

@rinathama

Ай бұрын

Hey me and you are the same 😂😂😂my timing sucks.

@ricomajestic

23 күн бұрын

So what does the guitarist do when the bassist drummer start playing around the beat/

Ian is just great, it’s obvious that he’s an absolut genius on bass, still he breaks down the content in simple empathic explanations. always aware of the viewer/student.

Love Ian's energy and ability to articulate technique. Adding Steve makes it better because of the drummer's perspective, but also because the 2 have a conversation. And we get to watch.

Excellent discussion. Like Flea said, "put the bass note in the middle of the drum beat". Easy to say. Years of work to hear and implement. Real value info right here. Thanks guys.

One of my favorite funk bands, Vulfpeck, actually has its own compressor program that it runs over Joe Dart's bass which (in addition to elevating his already amazing tone to a whole other level) also has the same effect you talk about in this video of making his notes "grow" out of the drum notes. You can hear this very well in Dean Town (obviously most of the work and tone is in Joe's fingers but I just thought it was an interesting thing to share)

@therealkpat

7 ай бұрын

As far as I know, in terms sound design with compressors, the amount you can shape the transients by playing with the attack parameter is in the milliseconds. I’m pretty sure what you refer to as Joe’s notes growing out of the drums is 99% to his credit as a great player. I might be wrong of course and the compressor IS the secret sauce

@evieatarax

7 ай бұрын

@@therealkpatVulf Compressor is one of the integral parts to Joe's iconic sound. Just like Cory uses a compressor - it's not to compensate for any lack of playing ability, it just makes the transients hit harder and more consistent. The "growing out" is also because of the compressor's relatively long, squishy release time.

@martybyrnemusic

7 ай бұрын

@@evieatarax I mean, obviously, in the studio things can and will be tweaked and tightened here and there. With compression (side chaining helping that "growing" effect) or just digital editing of individual notes to make them sit EXACTLY where everyone wants them. I am not saying Vulfpack can't play real tight in a live situation, but a commercial recording is going to tweak all of those notes (and if people say otherwise, they're lying)

What you are describing at around 7:20, re being a tad behind to let the drum transients through first is something that is often simulated in production vis a vis sidechaining a compressor on the bass track that is triggered by the kick. The effect is to lower the volume of the bass at the instant of the kick transient and then let the bass volume bloom back up as the compressor releases. I really enjoyed this video and have shared it with a few friends who have asked me to explain 'the pocket' and playing behind or on top. Thanks!

@BaronVonQuiply

2 жыл бұрын

That would probably remove some mud from my mixes. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.

@Gruuvin1

7 ай бұрын

This is interesting that you can do this in the effects chain, either during or post. It also makes me appreciate what musicians were capable of before recording technology developed.

This is the best discussion I've ever heard on the nuances of feel or groove in contemporary music.

This is great. No one ever discusses this topic. It effects the feel and sound of the band So much. Especially if someone is on top of the beat and pushing things ahead. I play with a ton of drummers who always speed up by the end of the song and you can’t pull them back. Also big band horns are always doing big hits on the back side of the beat. It just feels right.

Love this actual discussion between a drummer and bass player. A lot of drummers I played with who had the “there’s only one way to groove, I know it and you don’t” attitude, which basically kills music, in my opinion. I played with a lot more drummers who didn’t need to say anything; 4 bars in and we both knew what’s up. Play with the musicians on stage, not some weird ideal.

Rick Beato has been talking about this for years on his KZread channel. It allows both the punch of the Bass Drum and the tone of the bass the breath alittle.

This was fantastic! They don’t talk about this in music school. I think it’s just expected that people know it.

Thank you for this epiphany how you want to hear the bass sound right after the drums transient.

this has got to be the best course I've seen from this channel. What these guys are teaching me makes me want to join just to watch this course

@chrisjs6123

3 жыл бұрын

I ended up buying a lifetime subscription. It’s honestly worth trying monthly at least.

@londonemski

3 жыл бұрын

Do it! If you can afford it, go for it. So much great stuff in SBL. These two are particularly magnificent. So articulate and so practical.

Ian is a great guy to step in for ya, Scott. He has the same very amiable personality and passion not only for the bass, but also for sharing what he know as you do. I really like him and look forward to more videos. You,ve got a winner here. I must say that the same goes for the drummer. You seem to pick your folks very carefully and with good success. Keep it up, buddy!. Love it!

@fromthistexasbreath

3 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a video with Ian, Scott, and Nolly, for the ultimate confusing video of 3 great bass players who look alike...

@markblackstad8705

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm digging the American Scott clone!

This is terrific. Someone told me years ago that you find your feel during the songs Thanks for the lesson guys

Absolutely love Ian and Steve. I learn something every time.

I could absolutely listen to Ian and Steve talk and jam all day!

Playing behind is best played when the groove is locked in. Most heard in R&B, as the drummer and bass player begin to add space between their notes playing around the groove.

This is great! Ive been waiting for someone to talk about this phenomenon. There are so many lessons about notes, modes and patterns, but not much about feel. Thanks for a great lesson.

I'm really enjoying these SBL videos of Ian teaching some cool tips and making cool videos on albums and basses. He's such a great guy and I hope to keep seeing more of these kinds of videos. Keep 'em coming👍

The Scott body-double illusion is insane, hahahaha. And I can't believe you brought up Matt Chamberlain. I was thinking about him when you were having the discussion about the "tendency." Matt Chamberlain has had that magic feel since he was a kid at NTSU. Everything felt magic when he played. It wasn't anything that you could put your finger on. I called it the Matt Chamberlain Elasto-Groove. It was definitely a thing. I remember him pecking out a groove on that first Alesis drum machine, and he could make a one-sample drum machine groove the same way with that particular timing of his.

Ian rocks! Great addition.

The drummer is an awesome teacher!

@IanMartinAllison

3 жыл бұрын

One of the best

One of the top 2 or 3 teaching vids you've put out, Scott! Thanks to these guys.

This video is a masterpiece demonstration around this conversation, the best resource I've found for demonstrating the conversation and the physical approach to students - thank you both for this wonderful educational resource - Wish I'd had it 10 years ago!

I really enjoy these two working together. Having a knowledgeable drummer talk about they're part is so helpful.

Two powerhouses in one video, unreal! Golden stuff you guys are putting out here. CLASS IS IN SESSION!

I always think about D'Angelo's "It Ain't Easy". That's like the greasiest, nastiest use of that sort of drunk late-groove feel to me. On the smacking thing, if the bass and drums are well segregated into their own frequency spaces well, having the drums and bass being right on top of each other is an incredibly powerful and punchy thing. I love the kick and drum being super-tight and sounding like one instrument in a way.

I really appreciate the insight from this video. I've tried explaining to some of my own bass students what it means to play behind the beat and this gives me a much clearer way of describing that. Thanks!

As usual Ian, I really enjoy what you have to say and how you teach! Nice to hear Steve as well!

after I got the basics of playing the bass down, these concepts were exactly what I spent years working on so that they would be deliberate and second nature. Such an important aspect of your role as a bass player and rhythm section. Awesome video and well explained!

Just brilliant! These two are among the best tutors on the SBL roster, I hope they do a heap more of these videos. Yes, and the Scott D/Ian A Inception thing is a freak-out, but I love it!

7:31 was pretty interesting idea

Piano/keys player here. This was brilliant. Clear, insightful and practical. Bravo!

This is pure gold for every musician. PERIOD!

Great lesson. These guys are wonderful teachers

This is brilliant! Not only great insight and analysis, but practical exercises for bass and drums to try together. Definitely going to try some of this stuff next time I'm with a drummer to quickly develop some shared vocabulary.

I always thought that way, I am very happy to see it well explained. I played an entire season of the musical "We will rock you" with that mentality. The explanations about the transients and the muffling, very good.

Plucking hand finger length, strength, callus, nail length, technique, etc, all play into the beginning beat you play. Often overlooked, but how your fingers hit the string is as important as anything with your fretting hand.

One of the best Lessons at SBL!

I like how the few notes the guy played felt more meaningful than all I'll probably ever be able to achieve with my bass

@jwest707

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t say that bro Keep practicing His playing is really meaningful but there’s no reason yours can’t be. If you put in the time and get after it, there’s nothing that can stop you. :)

The bass and drums need to work as a team, so having a lesson with both makes total sense. I never know if Ian or Scott are doing the videos from the thumbnails, but I am sure I'll be learning something useful!

Great job, very informative, fun, enlightening and thought provoking. More please!

Such a great lesson! Yes, the key is to really get dead on first and then grow from there. I love the way these two keep the conversation going, as it's not so much a lecture as it is a sharing of ideas from their perspectives and as if they were involving us as viewers in their discussion. No talking down to or dumbing it down for anyone either...it's purely accessible.

Thank you for putting in to words what I’ve always experienced in regards to feel and playing with drummers

As a guitarist, I love this channel. It really helps me appreciate the teamwork required for a good band. I've always thought of the pocket as more of an unconscious feel, I was just playing what I thought sounded good. I remember being in a two guitar band, and I would always be a little behind the other guy. I just liked the groove!

@devinebass

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the love, fellow musician! Groove and teamwork are indeed essential in any band, and it's great that you appreciate the subtleties of the pocket. Keep jamming and grooving! 🙌🏻🧡🔥

A perfect example being the bass on "If You Want Me To Stay" by Sly And The Family Stone

Super insightful and explained intuitively. Great lesson, SBL

Have to agree and add weight to the other comments: great format, great easy-to-understand and helpful tips, and also simply enjoyed the conversation. Well done and thanks!

Ian has a great personality on camera, as if he is a buddy hanging out. Great playing here too guys. Excellent video.

That's dope, would like more lessons like that!

SO True ! I been playing bass since 1975 and out of all the things anyone ever showed me that improved my bass playing was exactly that ! Once I noticed this in the tunes I was learning, I was hooked! I found the behind the sceen sercret. I also noiticed how much it impacts the sound and feel of the tune. Bands and other musicians started noticing the difference in my playing and started calling me more for gigs. Even today, If I go listen to a band and the players, I notice how many bass players just Hit the bass from begining to end and never notice what they can do to improve that little thing. Thanks for sharing that. It was well worth it.

@devinebass

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking out the video! Glad you enjoyed it 🤘🏻

Absolutely sick! Things I’ve always wondered about but never had guts to broach or, coming from my amateur background, heard anyone else talk about. At all, never mind at this level. Cheers guys!

Thank you! So much wisdom from experience there.

Yeeeessss, this is great!! Once again: Ian Martin Allison for the WIN!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Beautifully explained! Very clear demonstration.

I love this presentation! I've tried, unsuccessfully, to explain playing behind the beat to a few non-musician friends and generally gotten a blank stare in response. Now I'm going to send a couple of them a link to this video and see what happens :-). Thanks for this.

This is so incredibly valuable.

That's one I have been waiting for for a veeeeery long time. One magic moment in a fill is to start behind and then accelerate to get on top, and finally finish slightly behind. Chad Smith does that in one fill to If you have to Ask (live version)

More Ian, please!

I've struggled with this concept. Now I think I get it. When he said it's like my note (bass) grows out of your note (drums). Light bulb moment.

Also, playing *through* the string with finger technique helps you "play behind" much better I find. Also great to hear a drummer talk about this, few drummers do and us bassists really want the conversation.

@TheMemo659

7 ай бұрын

I have a VERY heavy hand. I play through the string to say the least. Have, personally, found my heavy handed style makes it sound like shit when im even slightly behind the beat. A gentle touch makes the bass note swell, a heavy hand is near percussive. I have found I need to push the beat, if anything, to make sure my strikes do not create a jarring double percussive effect. So, with all due respect, I would disagree. A gentle touch lends itself much better to playing behind the beat imo and ime. And yea, The comment in the above vid IS spot on. I do NOT follow my drummers, I drive them. Have not, until this vid, really considered that might be obnoxious as hell to them. None have yet complained, but it is very subtle so they may not even be aware I'm doing it.

What a fascinating and interesting concept! Great conversation! Thank you! :)

Minute 7:30 is pure gold. Is the perfect example for get timing of a lot of blues songs. For me there are a perfect example: Freddie King - Same old blues. If you pay attention the bass and the kick drum sounds like Ian are saying. Masterclass

I'm so glad I watched this.. thank you all

I've always been confused over playing behind and playing ahead. To date, the only example I've really been able to hear was everyone playing loose and relaxed in the verse and then everyone snapping to the beat in the chorus, thus adding a ton of energy without a change in tempo or volume. For a session drummer to be able to do the kick/hat on and then be able to lag that snare has got to be tremendously difficult to master. This is also why everyone should learn to play with a click and to record it to see how they're doing. It's not so easy!

Fabulous Lesson! I learned something today! That's always a good thing! Thank You!

This was super interesting, thanks for sharing this!

When I was a teenager, I read a guitar magazine interview where the interviewee was talking about how they like the bass Behind The Beat. I spent years wondering if he meant behind as in after, or supporting, but my first interpretation was a timing difference. I'm not sure if I ever play behind the beat, but I do sometimes play in a sort of back-time where I'll call attention to a melody or line by not falling on the beat. I guess that would be behind. This makes me think of BBE Sonic Maximizers and how they offset the mids by a bit to make them more audible among the bass frequencies.

Not necessarily bass, but I’m fascinated with rhythm and feel, and I’ve been sort of studying a lot of these young rappers nowadays (I know I know just hear me out), and there’s something fascinating about the way they seem to flow VERY AHEAD of the beat. At first it seemed so amateur- like they didn’t have good flow- but I’m starting to appreciate that it’s for effect. It gives the track a fun, live, energetic motion. It makes the beat feel so janky in a cool funky way.

Such a great video. Thank you team

THANK YOU. I finally understand playing in the pocket.

Pretty cool. What shocked me as I listened is how much our drummer and I do vary it during different songs. He keeps the tempo going very well when I'm behind, so maybe we just get it, or maybe he doesn't trust me! Never really thought about it for a while, but another drummer friend kinda taught me about it a long time ago. Man, he and I were tight. But it definitely shows up. Yeah, it feels good, we both get a smile going. And our guitar player knows it, and smiles too! Now I know why a little better! I'm going to have to share this one with our drummer! Thanky kindly!

Awesome insights into groove, thank you guys...!

GREAT Lesson! Brilliant! This is my next thing to practice - being accurate with the center, etc.

Fantastic. Thanks a lot for this...

This was a really great lesson. Thanks!

Great lesson. Thank you!

Thank you so much for this!

as someone who learns by example, this is one of the best videos i've ever seen. thank you thank you

So good! Thanks guys. ❤ loved the transient relationship perspective.

Im a member and I watched this course. I loved it. When I was done I texted a drummer friend of mine. The next week we sat down with a beer and watched it together. Really great stuff! Also we want more Ian!

@IanMartinAllison

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers James!

Awesome video Scott. Thanks!

Lovin' the Antigua, keep 'em funky

this is great. kudos.

Great explanation. Really cleared this up for me.

This is such an awesome discussion. Hard topic to cover!

I LOVE IAN PLS MORE !

How awesome is this knowledge

Great discussion. Thanks

Damn, that Antigua burst is gorgeous! I learned to play guitar on a strat with the same.

Man I wish I’d had videos like these when I first started gigging and learning to sync with drummers. Awesome video!