If you want to watch the older more detailed version of the vid: kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4aOrsttl8TLYLA.html

I wish there was a ball top version of this. T_T

Just something to note on the KBD input motion shown in this video: QCB works for any character that doesn't have a sway. If you try to use this method with characters like Bryan, Paul and Nina you will you get their back sway instead. You must do the proper input of B, D/B, B, Neutral. It's also worth noting that doing the QCB variation means you might spend more frames crouched and are more susceptible to getting clipped by random mids in the middle of your backdash.

I just got my first arcade stick Hori Fighting Edge, I can't believe what I was missing, it's such a wonderful experience! Thank you for all the helpful tutorials👌

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Glad they have helped!!

Those kbd and mishima dashes were mad clean

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks my dude!!

this is amazing i did all of these for about 10 minutes on each side and i just feel so much better and more fluid already thanks so much

Great video, gets right to the point. I found the Tekken series to be the hardest transition to an arcade stick for me, I had been playing with a PlayStation controller since Tekken 1 came out. I’ve made good progress recently.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Yes playing stick for the first time and playing Tekken is entering hard mode right away! I do have a vid about learning arcade stick if that helps kzread.info/dash/bejne/nY1tz5KkZ6ufp6Q.html

I am glad you did this again, I learned much from your previous video and it's helped me a lot.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I m glad!!!! Yeah arcade stick is awesome

Good timing! I just ordered my first stick last night! Super excited to play some shmups on it :D

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah!!!

I’ve come to a realisation using stick for shmups lately . You really have to hype yourself up and concentrate on making your wrist as limber as possible and really get that stick moving quick . To get a pixel or 2 tap dodge you have to have Bruce Lee speed hands , you can’t just sit there casually jerking the stick around with cave shmups . You have to get in the zone so to say. It also comes to personal preference with the spring as well. Personally I like the minimum resistance I could have with the stick still springing back to neutral quick. I’d almost like to play a frictionless stick for shmups if there was a way for it to centre itself quickly. Also To quickly go on a tangent .. I think the inputs for ultra street fighter 4 are part of what made the game so addictive. Doing long double fadc combos felt like playing a piece of music. I really hope someone else invents a game where you have to do these learned choreographed inputs. I wonder if you play beat mania in a stick? Have I just invented a new thing!?.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Beatmania on stick sounds awesome! Now I gotta try ha

thanks a lot for both videos! I just got into fighting games, and started with Tekken 8! this video helped a lot with the grips, and especially the part where you said in the other video '' to do it the same way every time'' which helped me very much, I tend to just go with my instincts sometimes, and end with 3 or 4 ways to do the same motion and it gets inconsistent fast

you did talk about remastering this before, glad to see it come out 💪

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Yes here it is!!

🕹 Can you do a similar video on buttons? I play SF6 and there are 6 buttons, plus double presses for throws, drive impact and parry and I find it difficult to press them quick enough on reaction.

@samspot1

8 ай бұрын

Same request! I've got a piano-style 3 fingers thing going but I wonder if I'd do better learning to place them differently and whether or not to work in my thumb. Most people say "do what's comfortable", but I know from playing the piano that these tiny details are important and its hard to unlearn bad habits later.

Thank you for updating it

Great video 👌

Uuuuu boyo you're slowly but surely creeping up to 10k suscribers, if anyone deserves it it's you brother. I'm already in pre celebration mode here.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you my dude! That will be a big milestone!

very helpful, no one goes into these basic things

One thing to be wary of is the placement of the thumb when performing motions to the left. I got into the bad habit of sitting my thumb at a 4 O'clock position on the balltop - which is fine when using a lenient stick like a Sanwa JLF - but when I used anything else a move left can sometimes result in unexpected up left inputs. My simple advice is to make sure the thumb rests at 3 O'clock, which likely means adjusting where you hand rests on the control panel by moving it up a couple of centimetres and slightly modifying your grip of the stick.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Yes great insight! Hand and thumb placement are important for sure

I am an older generation and I loved the old long video soo much. But the new one is great too. @The Electric Underground

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I m glad!! I like them both as well ha, just put this together in case people want the abridged version :-)

Playing shmups of fighting games with an arcade stick is just a lot more fun, and I always encourage people to just try it out. It takes a little getting used to, but I think it's worth it. Keyboard is probably more accurate for both genres, but I don't actually care. The most straightforward way I have heard of how to use a stick is to use your fingers to move it rather than your wrist, and long as it feels comfortable and you can get the inputs easily, then it doesn't matter if your method matches up perfectly with every youtube video out there.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I love 💕 playing on arcade stick, I use it for every game that I can

I definitely agree with some people in the comments that wine grip is good for novice players trying to practice inputs. I've been using it to practice the ones in this vid and I notice that my pinky and my thumb naturally guide my wrist where it should be so I have the right "hand posture" to make this feel more normal. I've been really enjoying the feeling of playing stick for the first time, it's like electricity at your fingertips. Especially in shmups its helped me with figure eights and c-dodges and any circular motion. The swivel on the top piece is really your best friend and it feels so satisfying to pull off a sick c-dodge and have that ball top swivel a full 180. Its precision and fluency all in one. PS I'm trying to customize my stick with buttons that have "grooves" or indents around the side, but I cant find a reliable search term to get what I'm looking for. To anyone who knows what the hell I'm talking about plz hrlp.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

That custom button idea sounds cool!

Thank you.

I come from a heavy fighting game background and only in the last year or so have I rediscovered my love for arcade games and especially shmups. But I am also a guitar player and I believe in a concept called "economy of motion" which is to do what you want with as little movement as possible. There is no way I would move my thumb for an up input they way you describe here, but even so, most of our input movements look pretty much the same. I use the "modified wine glass" grip with the side of my hand resting on the stick and all of my inputs are made with the first two fingers and my thumb. I see now that my thumb is basically at the 5 o'clock position and the first joint of my fingers are around 11 o'clock. I naturally just curl my other fingers so they are below the shaft, so I guess its like holding a wine glass and turning your hand 90 degrees. I've been doing it this way for years and I have played pretty much every fighter in existence from 2005 on. But I don't like bat tops, my grip still sorta works, but the only time I use a bat top is when I am at a buddy's house trying out a new stick or something, he likes Korean levers, and it makes me really have to focus on finding corners because there is no gate. Happy belated New Year, looking forward to a whole bunch of awesome stuff from the shmup-tubers out here! By the way I found your channel through Shmup Junkie dropping your name.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that s cool! Yes I talk more about bat tops and grip variations in the og vid :-) I agree economy of movement is a great idea, especially when you are trying to create really consistent motions. Happy new year! :-D

@AKTANEARCADE

2 жыл бұрын

I think this is roughly my philosophy and how I play as well. I am all about as little motion as possible for extremely precise inputs, my actual hand does very little, it just kinda sits there, my fingers do most of the work. my palm never touches my balltop, I also cannot really use bat tops for the same reasons! I am with you! oh damnit I also am a guitarist... I think you just nailed my persona to a T lmao.

Good stuff man!

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!! Now you know the secret techniques XD

@rockguitarshred

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground I have a question though I kinda learned how use a stick by doing "motions" like everyone else but I didn't really do them properly I just imagined a motion for whatever move,as a result I developed alot of bad habits While I would like to keep playing people online to get better at my game,I feel maybe I should take some time to "reclaibrate" my inputs and possibly just focus on that What are your thoughts?

Great guide. Which fingers should I use for the buttons? Is using the thumb okay?

Wow! Shmup 1cc master AND can execute KBD/PEWGF pretty damn well! I swear this channel was made for me. Flattery aside, I wondered what you thought about the efficacy of hitbox style arcade peripherals and their degree of accuracy on shmups?

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Here you go! kzread.info/dash/bejne/mYutr8aEY5uXY6g.html

Great video, I hope you’ll do a follow up on proper d-pad technique. I grew up in arcades so a stick comes naturally, but I struggle to play with a d-pad, especially shmups.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Oh good question, I would probably have to ask jaimers for his thoughts on that as I am not that great of a pad player myself ha.

@fdevlin5932

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground cool I’d love to hear what he has to say

you had my attention at the vf4 evo soundtrack :p

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Ahhh yeah!!!

Oh wow, this is the grip I've always been most comfortable with, but people in the Street Fighter community had always told me the brandy-glass grip was superior.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I don t think it is, street fighter isn t a super intense game input wise so using wine glass mostly works, when you start needing to do a bunch of kbd and electrics is when that grip doesn't work so well

@yours_truly_

2 жыл бұрын

wine glass style works well for STG though

@JC_Jowoco

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of 2D fighting game players are using bal ltop sticks, so that grip is often recommended. With a bat top (and especially so with Korean levers) you'd mostly be forced to use the grip shown in this video. I think the idea is that your inputs might get a bit more difficult on the P2 side with this sort of grip, and so the wine glass is preferred by most. I've always used a grip similar to this but with just the pinky tucked underneath on ball tops before transitioning to a Korean stick last year.

@hectorgarcia5814

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground i think the wine glass might be better for street fighter because it is much easier to jump with that grip, for me at least, I love universal grip but I find it hard to jump

Ive been having trouble with iad to the left. It feels as if my thumb hesitates to reset to nuetral before hitting up and left. Ive been trying out the hand placement you use rather than wine grip and it almost feels more free on my hand if that makes sense lol. Do you have any advice as why this may be happening though?

hey,love your channel and content...im looking to get into fighting games.should i get an arcade stick or hitbox?,thanks

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I d say arcade stick :-) hitbox is a beast and all but I rarely see people stick with it as compared to arcade stick

Just a personal opinion but thought I'd post it as maybe it will help someone?I found that when I tried stick I wasnt playing any worse but not any better either.I Then I realised gradually that I was overtjinking the mechanics of the stick and constantly comparing it to a controller.Once I realised this, I thought " just let the stick do it's job" and I began to see a big improvement in my play. Of course technique is important and I am fortunate in that my hand naturally moves and holds the stick as you suggest in your vid(maybe due to years playing the violin when younger) but I also think maybe players can have a tendency to 9ver expect miracles from a gadget, when maybe they should just relax and go with the flow and gain technique and improvement thru trial and error and practice..

Thx for this amazing guide quick question do you recommend a bat top for dbfz I just thought maybe it would feel more comfortable since I'm still unsure about the standard ball top?

@TheElectricUnderground

Жыл бұрын

I would! I think bat top is better for air dashing. Ball tops make the funky input even more awkward

Do you have any tips for repeated short regular dashes, especially to the left? Something feels so unnatural about tapping the stick with my thumb. After a dash or two the rhythm just gets erratic. If I'm far to the right of the screen and need to reach the opponent on the left, it can be a massive headache, especially against a zoner.

Can anyone tell me the joystick he is uses? And if it’s compatible with the qanban obsidian? I’m kinda sick of my ball top

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I have a whole vid about it! kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJueyM2TYtW7gZc.html

With how youtube works I sadly wouldn’t be surprised, if the old and longer video stays more popular with the algorithm 😬 Hope this takes off tho!

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

it's ok either way, I did this video so that people who complain in the og vid can watch this version ha

It's crazy that you have to educate people about this, kids eh? haha! Then again I can't play any FPS using a gamepad, I was always a PC gamer so was late to the party playing consoles so never got used to it.

After 10-15 years of playing fighting games (Tekken mostly) on a controller, I've finally decided to take the plunge and learn stick. Especially after Sony's persistence to change controllers and not make them forwards compatible. And with the new T8 coming out, have realised I can't float back and forth with 6, 7 & 8 on different controllers. Got a cheap Mayflash. Hoping I can float in between all three games while keeping my arcade stick knowledge.

Which arcade stick and D pad controllers can be recommended for xbox360 please?

I'm pretty new to fighting games and as soon as I started playing stick I used a wine glass grip on my stick. Would you say this works well with ball tops as well, or should I grab a bat top if I wanna try this technique?

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Works very well on ball top as well!

I don't even really know how I hold the stick, just that it works and I can do things consistently enough in fighting games regardless of the side that I'm on. Doing it and looking at it, it's not that different from what you do. Maybe a little looser, using the tips of my fingers less, but I use a ball top, not a bat top, and that probably does change things slightly. Also, I'm sure that it varies depending on the game. Sometimes I hold it tighter, sometimes looser, and I can tell. It's not a planned style, it pure instinct, developed organically from playing for thousands of hours, until my hands were in pain and callused (and even bleeding, once) and until I stripped most of the paint from the left corner of my stick. Now it's bare, corroded metal on both corners, and the lever itself has already been replaced once and will probably be replaced again. And one button barely works and another kinda works most of the time. I really should fix this thing. Just from looking at it, you can tell that it is owned by a maniac. That's how you really master the stick, you play until your fingers feel like they're going to fall off.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Ha exactly, it would be interesting to track how many hours I have on stick at this point, easily 10k or so over the years

Ok guys. This is the 5th video on how to hold a fight stick and 5th completely different style of operating the stick. Let's just say hold it however you feel comfortable and stop making those videos :D

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

This will be my final vid on the subject ha, and I do think it's the best way to use a lever :-)

i used to be dead set on stick, but after moving to keyboard-style controllers (fightboard MX is my current squeeze for all things 2D) i've realized just how much the throw distance of a stick can be a pain in the ass (and a pain in the wrist! dat arthritis!!). i still reach for my qanba every now and again but it's tough to go back! do you have any kb-style controllers? like the odin attachment for sticks, or a fightboard? would be curious to see how you played with them or a hitbox.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I have played on keyboard and while it seems really good it wears out my hands and I just like playing on stick better

By the way.. if you ever feel Like a different bit of content we could do a match . First to 10 on street fighter and stream it . I’m rusty as hell but would be fun! You would be like the reverse of daigo Shmupper doing a kumite .

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Ha that would be fun! 3rd strike street fighter of course

Just bought one for the first time, after a couple of hours it really started to frustrate me 😤 have you tried Chun li combos in Street fighter 6 😅

What are the pros for using a stick for shmups or like a metal slug? I still most games with a Playstation controller, I got a nice stick to get into fighting games but I might as well use it for retro games.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Here you go I made a vid about it :-) kzread.info/dash/bejne/mYutr8aEY5uXY6g.html

look up "wineglass joystick style" or watch Daigo's 'one pinky in' style if you really want to up your stick game

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I cover that in the og vid :-)

So, I reckon you'd probably beat me at Tekken *and* DOA 👍

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I'm down to play ! There's a channel on my discord called fighting game club where you can find me

Meanwhile, here I am going back to pad for a bit because my execution on pad leveled up while I was working on stick (???) and I can play longer sessions on pad

if I'm playing a 4 button game on an 8 button stick, should I be binding to the top or bottom row?

@TheElectricUnderground

Жыл бұрын

Oh I bind to the top and bottom but the first two of each row (like a controller)

Mark please help, I want to mod my Xbox 360- Mad Catz TE with a Seimitsu 32-Stick. Which one is the right one, the LS-32-01 or LS-32-01-SC ? Thanx in advance!

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Oh you are most likely going to want to go with the se (flat plate) as most arcade stick boxes have flat plate mounts, you can know by looking at your current level and see if it has a flat or indented mounting plate

part 2 please, maybe?

I've been looking for a nintendo switch stick for ages. I was going to buy a Mayflash f500 elite but hear there is input lag and the sanwa isn't great for shmups. The Hori Rap V seems to have an even worse joystick with longer throw and opening it up invalidates the warranty. Has anyone found a decent arcade stick or lever that works equally well with shmups and fighting games.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I d say get yourself a siemitsu ls 32 lever with a 5 lb spring, those are great for both genres :-)

@petewatson8074

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground Thanks for the suggestion. I will probably get a hori or mayflash elite then upgrade to the ls32 when money allows. Is the hayabusa stick worse than the sanwa due to its longer throw.

I own a Hori RAPV with the default stick and I totally suck at it. The problem seem to be: 1. The dead zone is huge (usually fixed with an actuator?) 2. The engagement area is huge, it's very difficult to "correct" or change movements (probably fixed by a restrictor?) I'm a noob but honestly if I buy a fairly expensive arcade stick and get a shitty experience I get frustrated. I don't have the time nor the energy to go investigate and master arcade sticks until I have one stick that I can play with... at this point I don't know what to do.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you probably need to upgrade your lever parts. Try by starting with a bit of a heavier spring and yes def get the bigger actuator, get that deadzone slimmed down. :-)

@Albertredneck

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground but parts for Hayabusa lever are not so common. Do you think it's better to cut the deadzone first? I always thought my biggest problem was the number 2.

@AKTANEARCADE

2 жыл бұрын

@@Albertredneck in my personal opinion, making hardware changes isn't my first move. it taks EVERYONE MONTHS to learn how to work a stick properly, it will feel loose and sloshly, like the first time you 're learning a new instrument or something. its not something that comes naturally to pad players (which we all are at heart unless you grew up in arcades forreal) - and takes a lot of practice and effort. no one comes out the gate with clean skills, its gonna feel that way for a bit. I think you should practice more, and then after about 1-2 solid months of concerted effort, THEN make hardware changes. THAT, OR, just play on pad right? there's nothing better about stick than pad it is NOT a superior input so do not believe the hype there.

The issue I have with arcade sticks has nothing to do with the stick or movements, it's with the placement of my other hand over the buttons. Basically after about 10 to 15 minutes of holding one button for auto-fire, my right hand will start to shake. I have tried different size arcades sticks, different positions, and changing around which button is the auto-fire button. Nothing helps. I don't see the button side of the arcade ever covered. I just gave up on arcade sticks for Shmups and I just use Saturn style pads. Arcade sticks are fine for me for fighting games but I just can't keep my right hand from shaking on Shmups.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that s interesting! I wonder why the buttons are giving you problems, I usually use 2punch for autofire

@never_bored_again

2 жыл бұрын

i used to have similar problems with holding down autofire being super uncomfortable, turned out my problem was that I was using way too much force. lightening up and almost just resting my fingers on the buttons helped me a lot.

@zhukov2116

2 жыл бұрын

Which finger are you using? I usually use my thumb for holding down auto fire. My first thought is that the muscles in your fingers are just not used to being used as much, and it would just take a lot more use to train them.

@granddaddy_funk

2 жыл бұрын

Hayabusa buttons have a more curved layout that some prefer. It's worse for me but it is definitely different

@land_walker

2 жыл бұрын

@@granddaddy_funk I have done everything that has been suggested already. I am not new to the genre as my complaint my lead you all to believe. I own multiple sticks, I have tried every finger/button, wrist rests, and nothing stops it from working. I have tried stretching and finger exercises and they don't stop it either. At least there are great Saturn pads out there like the Razor Raion and the Hori fighting Octa pad.

The only way I ever came to liking a lever grip was to not have a grip at all for movement and just hover hand it (index+middle+thumb entirely for command/longer dodges). But also most of my FG play has been on 2D+airdasher games w/ light tension springs on my levers, playing Tekken with my grip was a bitch with any character I picked haha.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Yes less input intensive games allow for more flexibility with grip for sure

My problem isn't with the lever but with the buttond

Thanks. I moved on to hitbox, but I think re learning stick is worth it. sometimes you just don't wanna be in pain using a hitbox for hours

Something that definitely isn't optimal is wearing a ring which increases weight in your hand, slowing you down, and also restricts the movement of one of your fingers and can impact the stick and negatively affect your grip on it.

What starter stick would you recommend around $100 or less?

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I have a whole video on this! kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZWWVq8SPddrQm9Y.html long story short (though the vid has more details) is find a used hori stick on ebay :-) here's a great one! www.ebay.com/itm/125073782437?hash=item1d1efa76a5:g:l2QAAOSwhWZhr8WL

@inrptn

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground I will check that. Hori makes good stuff. Thank you!

ICH LIEBE DIESEN KANAL FRATTE

What about tk?

Do you play fighting games with a square gate?

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I play on k stick which is sort of a rounded square game :-) but yes I would recommend square gate

bro what lever are u using

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJueyM2TYtW7gZc.html here you go :-)

You'd run circles around me lol.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

ha no worries, I 've spent a dumb amount of time practicing movement

I tried this and now my fingers are broken

Been playing on arcade stick for 5 months I mostly play anime fighters and it’s fun. My movement is still lacking though

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah those instant air dashes can get tricky, especially in combos and stuff

@denisn8336

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground definitely especially in combos neutral air dashes I can do constantly but during combos I really struggle.

0:26 to skip the "let's get into it" stuff ;)

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

26 second into is just too much ha

@sibbyeskie

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground Come on Mark you should start every video a deep breath followed by “OK, GO!” and speedrun through it like a fat kid eating green beans. Also preload your nerves with coffee and cocaine for optimum performance.

Is there truly a "proper" technique? This whole time, I've been standing on my head and mashing the buttons with my toes!🤔 No matter how ya hold it, it feels good👾👾👾👾 : 🚀

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Ha yes there is with variations, I go more in depth about the philosophy and stuff in the og vid :-)

Hee Ho very helpful Ho Jack frost approves Hee Ho

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Ha thanks Jack :-)

Wait LEMME down some V8 then I will unpause. ......... :-D

@shanecorning5222

Жыл бұрын

oh yes that is Always how you should use am Arcade Joystick. Anybody that has ever tried to play SF or MK on those will confirm such.

Man I give up this is literally impossible

What's the point ? Is it a joke ?

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Getting those inputs nice and clean!

@sibbyeskie

2 жыл бұрын

You may be new to this. Believe me, it gets way more technical than this!

@FrenchSparda

2 жыл бұрын

@@sibbyeskie playing with arcade stick since decades and i don't understand why people's need advice on how to play with them..except clickbait

@sibbyeskie

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrenchSparda do people look for advice on how to throw a baseball? Pluck a string on a guitar? It doesn't even have to be a precision instrument (which an arcade stick certainly is when attempting high level play) for people to want to understand mechanics better particularly as a beginner.