Just moved into a condo and I have this problem with moving an outlet 2 feet to the left. Have to pass through 2 studs so glad i came across this video!!!

Or Also, you can run the AC wire straight up to the attic. Access the attic and make a hole over where you need the plug and drop it down the wall. Less holes to make.

@tresewelty8011

4 жыл бұрын

Why so many studs

@Egbertwo

4 жыл бұрын

Good idea to look at.

@XqeDiosxqe

3 жыл бұрын

The holes are already made 8n the attic, just move them over.

When studs are not 16" on center, there is usually a reason, such as pipes. YOU DO NOT WANT TO DRILL INTO A PIPE> Personally, I would rather cut the sheetrock open, to have a clear view and know what I'm doing. Sheetrock is cheap and easy to install and finish. Just save a piece of of the old sheetrock to get some matching paint. I also save the holes I cut out and put them back in later reinforced by a couple of thin "sticks". And by the way, usually wires lead from one box to another around a room. So, that box had an in and an out. It might have still been important to leave the low box where it was. and branch off for the high box. All of this is easy to do. Watch KZread videos.

@MortyKaiShalom

3 жыл бұрын

This is the comment I was looking for. When he said he went through 3 studs, I suddenly got real curious why so many were in that small a space. Mind you, I've never done this type of work, but it struck me as odd.

@RedRyz3n

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!!!

@russmartin4189

3 жыл бұрын

@@MortyKaiShalom Sheetrock work is easy once you have done it a number of times. You just need to save some paint to paint the repair. Hopefully, you have some. Watch videos on how to do it. There are plenty. As I said before, I want to know what is in the wall. This guy was guessing and got lucky. He is kind of a "hot dog" which installers tend to be. Their goal is to get in and out as fast as possible. Time is money, not the correct installation. By the way, I am self taught, but I learned to do things the right way, for safety, and because I want to sleep at night knowing everything is the way it should be. Fortunately, we have KZread today.

@JohnClark-sl7ps

2 жыл бұрын

If there's a pipe through a stud there should be a striker plate to prevent that.

@russmartin4189

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnClark-sl7ps Yes, those plates are cheap,, maybe 59 cents each. Bang them in and nobody can drill into a pipe. I did that once when driving a screw in the garage. It went into a copper pipe in the bathroom. Made a mess.

Hello! I've watched all three videos in this series in my effort to wall mount an iPad that is serving as the heart of our media center in the living room. I needed to pull power from an outlet nearby and would have to jump two studs. I am of the ilk that electrical work is not a hobby and I have a healthy respect for it. However since what I wanted to accomplish was pretty straight forward, I was fairly confident I could do it to code. Luckily I found your video series and, after watching many times and taking notes, felt prepared to start the project. It took a wee bit longer than I hoped to fish the initial line through but ultimately, I was able to run the electrical cable from the iPad newly installed gang box to the existing outlet and tie it in. I am grateful for videos such as your in these times. My dad died when I was eleven and I had no role models or people "in the business" in my life to ask questions or be instructed around tasks like this. The internet has been a real blessing in terms of being able to reference instructional videos on this and many other topics. Thanks again for producing these!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!!!! I’m so glad you found the series helpful!

Love the ball chain tool. Great video because the detail, your well thought out planning, and methodical explanations. I just ran over a mile of CAT6, more than 100' of RG6 Quad and HDMI cable, and a lot of Romex through my house. The walls and attic were filled with blown in insulation which made it nearly impossible to see with my endoscope. One wall had so many higgly-piggly studs due to plumbing that the only way was to pumpkin cut strategically. This same wall is where I hung a 75" 90lb tv. Because of the short studs and pipes, I had to use UniStrut to span to over these to full length studs. In the attic, an led light on the glow rods were also essential due to the fluff insulation. In several cases, I had to cut plasterboard across 3-4 sandwiched studs where I discovered a window casement frame in the wall. I used an oscillating tool (Fein) to notch the studs and countersink the wire. Nail shields were put on top. I am almost done. I may try my Electrician's technique for crossing isolated studs (studs not within reach of an outlet hole). He uses a 5" hole saw to drill out the plasterboard centered on a stud. He then notches the stud as I did, pulls wire across, nail shield on top, and patches the plasterboard cutout back in place.If you are perfectionist about the patching, the nail shield under the circle raises it by the metal's thickness, so this has to leveled. Also key is having the matching wall paint color to cover the patch. Plaster patching is another subject. Suffice it to say, it takes patience but you can make the holes and seams disappear. I use the heavy pink spackle for the first patching, vinyl after the first sanding, and sometimes the lightweight stuff for the final coat. Too much work but when it's your own house, you will only have yourself to blame if it's botched. To keep my tendencies in check, I always remember that "perfect is the enemy of good".I went into some detail as I hope my experience will also be helpful to your viewers.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thanks for the post and thanks for watching!

@philkingmke

7 жыл бұрын

Steve Worzman shouldve made a vid.

Somebody already mentioned the odd layout of the studs that were not 16” o.c. Many times that’s for the purpose of running water pipes (as was mentioned next to the bathroom). Quick story. A guy I knew was mounting a tv bracket in a bedroom. The condo had automatic fire sprinklers throughout the place. The sprinkler head was on the same wall above where the tv was to go. So to be safe, he slid the template to the left about 6” and drilled the holes. Sure enough the sprinkler installers offset the water pipe in a 8” stud channel. He ran the drill through the offset stud(which was not protected by a metal nail stop plate) and right through the orange CPVC plastic sprinkler water pipe. The condo apartment was on the fourth floor. He did about $15-20,000 damage to his and the three condos below him; one of which the owners were in the process of moving in. The fire department was called as the sprinkler alarms came in, the occupants had to be put up at hotels; all the furniture, carpets, ceilings, and walls were ruined. The sprinkler company had to recert the system; an electrician was called to assess damage as water was pouring out of electrical and lighting fixtures. A restoration company was called in, etc. Total nightmare! To boot, the lease agreement stated no tv mounts were to be installed by occupants so the homeowners/renters insurance likely did not cover the damages. Take home message: beware of walls where residential sprinklers are installed and always consider why studs are spaced other than 16” o.c., and check out what is on the opposite side of the wall.,I.e., bathroom, shower, central air chase, etc. Okay. That’s all I’ve got. Good luck.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

OUCH!!! That's a nightmare. You are right. This method does have risks involved for sure!

@robertknowles3677

5 жыл бұрын

He should invest in a Walabot for the next install. ;-)

@csbeaver

5 жыл бұрын

bathroom wall probably ends between the studs

@Elcholopelado

5 жыл бұрын

I'm learning as we speak...so basically cut out dry wall? And then put it back up if I'm not sure?

@saadkhuri9310

5 жыл бұрын

As an HVAC tech, I can tell you this is a golden piece of advice. Lots of water, electrical and gas nightmares happened because the person did not inspect, looked, tested or measured what could be behind the dry wall. Thanks for the advice and for sharing.

go through multiple studs with a flexible bit like those used by electricians and alarm installers

Dude...you're killing it. Great job! Looking forward to giving this a go tomorrow. Thanks!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Best of luck.

thanks for the incredible thoroughness.

Excellent. You reminded me of myself when I installed individual home telco inside wiring or when I ran multi telco cable through industrial bldgs. I always admired professionalism in doing a prime install, it's why I was a 'go to' guy by most of my managers. Many co-workers looked at me as a 'suck up' because they would rather take the easiest way. One customer, with a very beautiful home, was so pissed off when she went through 6 installers who all told her walls HAD to be cut then repaired later. My manager called me to meet him at the residence. We went over the job with the customer and I told my boss it could be done. He left us while telling her his best man was here and he has confidence she will be pleased. She was. Both I and my manager got big 'atta-boys' from the top after she praised our diligence to the presidents hot line. As you well said, virtually every job has a solution if you're willing work it out. Bravo Alan. P.S. I guess my attitude kind of rubbed off on a few guys cause some even took to carrying 10' sections of flexible pvc pipe (bought for a few bucks with our own money) to speed fish pass dropped ceilings. The pipe was flexible enough to jiggle over obstacles, bend on the way in or out, covered nearly a whole 10' span at a time and we could run the pipe and wire at the same time by first running the wire through the pipe taping about 4-5' of slack outside the pipe.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

I bet you could teach me a lot of good tricks! Wish I got the chance to work with you.

@j.morrison73

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlanCleggYouDoAV, likewise. It's why I enjoyed your video so much. You obviously understand that we all can learn something from each other IF we're willing and if we treasure pride in accomplishments. I'm a breath away from 70 and it's great to see younger people as yourself with such a desire.

@actionjksn

4 жыл бұрын

Come on dude you know you guys just staple that shit to the baseboards.

A possible suggestion: When trying to drill the hole, if all you have is a paddle bit, drill a SMALL pilot hole.

@tobiassjones

3 жыл бұрын

What type of bit would you use?

Thanks, EXACTLY the video I was searching for!!!!!! I am subscribing!!!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Great! Thanks for watching!

Great video, thanks for all the tips.

IMO, if you're doing this on the upstairs of a 2 story, or if you have a single story house, it's much easier to climb in the attic. Drill 2 holes through the header on top of the wall. One above the stud channel for new outlet location, and one above the existing outlet. Drop your 2 wire ends down to your cut outs. You can still remove the original box to pull the wire down easier and replace it with a cut in box. I know this isn't practical for some people. But it would definitely be easier than going sideways through 4 studs if you're able to do so.

I really liked this video, thanks. I do have to subtract points for not using a drop cloth and for setting your tools on customers furniture but technique was excellent.

@Neatairandheat

5 жыл бұрын

Always use a drop cloth

@ianide2480

5 жыл бұрын

I agree - plus he lost a point for smacking the bit into the drywall the first time he picked up the tool hehe

@17:57, I love that nice little trick. "you see this elec. tape..poof, now you don't! and never will again". ;)

@ugnmichael

3 жыл бұрын

lmaoooo

Don't know if you mentioned it at all in your videos, but before you do all this work you should check for a fireblock in the wall. If you have a fireblock you are looking at an even harder install.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for mentioning that. I have a couple tricks to get through fireblocks without much of a problem so I don't check for them anymore. Be on the lookout. I hope to put together a video where we have to get around a fireblock soon. Thanks again for watching!!

@supergoober1021

5 жыл бұрын

7:50 - 8:00. “As you can see, this wall is empty”

@diedie111590

5 жыл бұрын

@@supergoober1021 Right, but not everyone's house is built the same.

@supergoober1021

5 жыл бұрын

Adversary Exactly. The comment was made that he should check for fire blocks because not all houses are the same. I simply pointed to the time stamp when he did just that. He didn’t make a big presentation about it, but he did check it and confirm. I think we’re all in agreement here.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for finding that!

I done some tricks to get wires through the wall i generally go from the attic down the wall much more simpler not many holes to cut or drilling through many studs..

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

6 жыл бұрын

This is for homes without an attic. Thanks for watching!

@theonlyone533

5 жыл бұрын

Can you do s video through the attic?

@ccarras1

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@dudeinmo

4 жыл бұрын

​@@theonlyone533 The video from the attic would be undo the outlet wires and pull all the wires back to the attic. Drill new holes above the new outlet placements and reroute and fish the new wires down. Alot shorter video. I get he reason behind this video, it shows how to fish them across if you don't have attic or basement access.

Thank you for this video!!! It is definitely going to help me with my crazy wall!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

good luck! You'll do great

Thanks for the video. Very clear and helpful.

With studs being that close together and the fact the door leads to a bathroom, I would make sure there isn't plumbing in that wall.

@johnnyk481

5 жыл бұрын

Barky Barker -Yes, very good point! See my story about the sprinkler pipe.

@johnnyk481

5 жыл бұрын

Barky Barker -Yes, very good point! See my story about the sprinkler pipe.

@Mikey83r

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like there is a perpendicular wall on the other side. Really the only reason studs would be that close together.

@skaterslife6305

4 жыл бұрын

Barky Barker Good idea

@giggityeffyou

4 жыл бұрын

How would you check that?

Awesome video!!!!! A great help to me. Thanks for the great detailed explanation and all the time you took to make this video to help us amateurs.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it helped! Thanks for watching

Alan, your information about using a magnet and the small ball/bead chain is worth its weight in gold. Because of it, I was able to complete project that I almost gave up on. Thank you 3,000,000 times man and GOD bless you.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm glad to help. The ball chain/magnet is the best tool i have for trick installs. I've worn out about 4 sets. Thanks for watching!

It would bug me knowing the old junction box and piece of tape are at the bottom of that wall (j/k 😀). So did you replace the outlet at the bottom or was it just a closed off junction box? Anyway, nicely done. edit:Never mind, I see there is a part 3. Gonna watch it now.

Thanks for an amazing video tutorial and for making it easy to understand.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

YOU are amazing!

I bet a cabinet guy for about 20 years I never seen a wall with that many studs so close together. I seen crossmember horizontally. great how to video

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Nice tricks. I liked seeing it. The negativity from some people is hard to understand. Thanks for going to the effort to put this up.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I have had my channel for a long time now so I'm used to the people that can't wait to put others down. It's no big deal anymore. Best wishes!

This is very impressive, there isn't a chance in hell I'm doing this, I'm moving the damn TV bracket.

@yeahdude1986

6 жыл бұрын

HAHAHHA SAME!

@yeahdude1986

6 жыл бұрын

Prolly billing by the hour ;) I like the video tho...

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

6 жыл бұрын

Hahahahha! Most people would. I actually have attic access in this installation so going up and over would have been MUCH easier, but I wanted to show a specific skill - how to run wire sideways through studs. It's more for people that don't have an attic and need to run wire sideways through studs without damaging drywall.

@melvinanderson7478

5 жыл бұрын

Right lol

@melvinanderson7478

5 жыл бұрын

Right lol

Standard stud placement is 16 or 24 inch what's going on with this wall that you have a stud every 4 inches apart?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

8 жыл бұрын

This was pretty unexpected for sure. I don't know why there were so many studs. Off camera I was pretty confused. The rest of the house is framed normally for the most part- at least the parts we worked on.

@MarkoDaPrynce

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly what I was thinking.

@hvsteve1

7 жыл бұрын

Room appears to be a bedroom. Was there a bathroom on the other side of the wall? Support for plumbing runs would explain extra studs.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

There is a bathroom on the other side but no plumbing- no sink, no toilet. Just weird stud placement.

@51-FS

5 жыл бұрын

load bearing wall..

So, I just watched this video and do commend the work you did to have the wiring concealed. There is one thing I would suggest. The ball chain you used is fine but extremely light and flimsy. I have done electrical, networking and phone work for quite some time now and have used the same ball chain for any type of jobs that require wall work. The size of ball chain I use is one with beads that are approximately 3/16 inch wide. The chain itself is about 15 feet long and I made a hook for it on one end so I don't accidentally drop it in the wall and lose it forever. The added weight of it is great because you can rattle it around and hear where it is as well as hook it with a wire ore grab it with a magnet as well. The chain has been EXTREMELY useful to me and has made me oh so much quicker in these kinds of jobs. One other thing about a dealing with the power to the outlet. SAFETY FIRST!!! ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS treat ANY electrical device or wire as if it were hot...regardless if you know the circuit is off. Someone could have turned the breaker back on after you walked away from the panel and there you go, handling it as if nothing. When I put outlets in, I ALWAYS use the screws to connect to power, neutral and ground wires. I HATE, HATE, HATE electricians who use the stab-ins on the back. VERY CHEAP WORKMANSHIP, IMHO. Also, for added safety, I run some electrical tape around the outlet to cover the screws for the connections. You never know what else may be hot in the box and can energize the device. Other than those few things, GREAT JOB, Alan. But, next time put the TV someplace else where you can't always be in fear of having it fall. Plus, it can fall on you as well and hurt you...Remember, SAFETY FIRST!!!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

That’s some good advice! Thanks for that and thanks for watching!

Very nice - impressive. Keep up the good work to educate the rest of us. Thanks

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

this guy is good. I use my right angle attatchment with a stubby paddle bit and very short extensions for going sideways through a stud on a first floor of a multi floor home. If there is an attic above or a crawl space below, its safer to run up into attic then drop back down at a measured distance over. never thought of the ball chain and magnet Thank you.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

When you said we gotta go fishing, I went fishing. Caught a fish. Snapper bit the cable. Great educational video.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Dang it. Now I want to go fishing too! Look what you've done.

Studs like that may even mean electric on the back side may have been able to tap that circuit and go up

That’s a great video,I got this ,and ready to go for it.Thanks

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

You’re going to do great!

This was one of The Best Vids I have seen. You Daman! very Helpful!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

No. YOU are the man!

Thanks so much for the clear explanation and great level of detail. Very similar to what I need to do, but only through 1 stud.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! Let us know how it goes.

FYI, at 7 minutes when you are struggling with the wires, before you take the box off the stud. get your needle nose pliers and bend the tab that holds the wires in the box.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

Good tip!

@billybillo9998

7 жыл бұрын

Hope it helps. :)

@msantos82

7 жыл бұрын

Alan Clegg ml

@fd3871

7 жыл бұрын

i was crying for him to do that

@MrStradia

5 жыл бұрын

Even break the tab off if possible.

Excellent video. Good tip with the ball chain. It would be good to see how you would address if the studs WERE 16" oc and how would you drill through them without extra holes.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

The idea is the same, you have to use existing holes in the walls. Then take advantage of the new holes you need to make for the new outlet and AV cabling.

@mrmotofy

4 жыл бұрын

I had a situation where I had to cut a hole to get access to run wiring up and over a new entry door (wiring was like 3' off floor). Now I have an extra hole...might as well put an extra outlet there

Great shots of your left shoulder at work.

Like someone commented below they make flexible bits and a device to hold the bit inside the wall to keep it straight.

Very informative!! Great idea of using magnets. I've fished with two 12 gage wires with a hooks on the end, next time at Home Depot I'll be buying a magnet. Thanks!!!!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

I love magnets! Thanks for watching

@son_of_guns

4 жыл бұрын

Magnets come in handy in so many situations, from dropping tools in tight spots, to getting metal shards out your eye, but I recommend rare earth magnets, cost a little more but are crazy strong

Alan, I think you did a little video "magic" at 24:58. LOL

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

8 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! You're right. It looks like I cheated but I promise you I didn't. It was just boring watching me goof around with it. It took several minutes but I didn't do any other trick than what is showed.

@Salty_Knuckles

8 жыл бұрын

Just having fun with you. I watched the whole video.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

8 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thanks for watching!

Use your Long Nose or Needle Nose pliers to Remove that Electrical Box out of the Wall space !!! I personally use a Small Wonder Bar, a flat pry bar to pry old electrical boxes out of the wall space. Works perfect most of the time, especially with the old styled Metal Boxes that are nailed to the Stud Framing .

When doing something like this, think about EMI. I never place Electrical runs so close to my AV or my networking. Make sure wires are properly shielded. Done two of those projects for both my TV's.

"Victory looks like a ball chain sticking out of a hole, after you go through a couple studs..." - That's What She Said... :P

Very detailed instructions. What about electrical permits and inspections which would be required even if it were your own house

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t know about the permitting process for adding an outlet. There isn’t a chance in Hades that I’m taking out a permit for an outlet though.

@lisat9707

5 жыл бұрын

....i have no idea about thec requirements but i would only ever want someone who truely knows what they are doing aka an electrician... to mess with electrical in my home. A little thing like twisting the wires the wrong way can cause them to become loose over time and result in a short,,, sparks and possible fire from there. Too risky

I wanted to see how you extended the wires, the connection to the existing wires.

@jimmyshiflett8876

4 жыл бұрын

I was also waiting to see if he was going to install a junction box

Really awesome video. Thank you!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Thanks for watching

great video - thank you! How did you cover the holes?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

The hole behind the TV was left as-is since it will never be seen and I couldn't get a cover on it with the TV mount covering it.

@royalmotors

7 жыл бұрын

I figured that the TV covered that hole.... What about the lower two?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

One of the holes got a new outlet installed. The other one gets back-less box (normally called a cut-in mud ring) with a face plate. The plate I used is called a "wire-port" like this one www.amazon.com/Midlite-1Gwh-Gr1-Single-Wireport-Grommet/dp/B001TFDVLA

@royalmotors

7 жыл бұрын

Great :) Thanks for the video and taking the time for answers!

@christophercrawford2736

4 жыл бұрын

Alan Clegg I do the same thing. I try to make my only holes be something I can put an outlet or low voltage plate on.

this was a great tutorial!! thanks

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Ball chain was cool. The reason there is multiple studs is what is called a wall buck (look it up).

You are the man! I really loved the video. I also liked that comment near the beginning that, "every house has a solution".

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I always try to tackle each task with a positive attitude even if the job kicks my butt.

Hey Alan Clegg- its Alan Clegg. Was just looking up my name and your channel came up. I'm big into electronics and also repair them but don't know the installation through wall part of it too well. Very informative channel. Good to know there's another Alan Clegg into A/V.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Say what?!!! That’s freaking awesome! I couldn’t think of a better person with whom to share a name!

Very informative, thank you.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Please subscribe so you can see the new videos we will be adding very soon.

@zackb2958

7 жыл бұрын

Alan Clegg

Good tricks thanks for making video!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Glad to help. Thanks for watching!

Should get the 48 inch bit go threw all the studs hook ur string to the drill bit tip and pull threw less head aches

@1whoFartsinthewind

5 жыл бұрын

good luck with that. 4 ft bit?

Love that Idea with using the magnet and ball chain. Can You please tell me where I can pick up a metal chain like that? Thanks

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

www.amazon.com/LABOR-SAVING-DEVICES-LSD85124-Retriever/dp/B00009WE0H/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Not really sure how you were able to get that ball chain through the stud at the bottom. Maybe I missed something there. Good job and good skill! If it were me I would just drop a wire from the attic down and drill a hole through the stud up top and drop it down that way. Yeah, no one likes to get in the attic, but seems faster to me. Of course what you did is great if there is not attic access.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. You are correct. Attic would be easier but I’m demonstrating a no-attic install.

Reminds me of when I ran speaker wire from two wall mounted speakers, mounted into a stud behind each, by drilling at a 45 degree angle with a bit just big enough to get the speaker wire into the wall cavity beside the stud and let it drop, in one case doing this, I dropped to the floor, drilled a small hole and managed to hook the wire and pull it out with a plastic grommet dressing the hole nicely just above the baseboard (which was behind some furniture, and off to the stereo. In the other case doing this again with speakers, I went up the wall. In that case, from the attic I drilled down through the walls top plate, then found the wall had some cross pieces midway up the wall (!) and so one by one, lowered a slightly smaller bit down from the attic and one by one added extensions until I reached that cross piece, drilled through it, then dropped a string with a nut tied on it through the top plate, and with a flashlight while looking down through the hole in the top plate, I got it to drop through the hole in the cross piece, and bam! I was able to hook that from below, tie on the speaker wire, and pull it up into the attic! Then did a drop on the opposite wall (which was concrete block and just enough cavity created by furring strips... and was able to get it down there, add an RCA wall plate and from that run RCA cables over to the stereo receiver. All in all, speaker wires went to opposite wall from speakers mounted on the wall with nothing showing anywhere! Like you said, there's always a solution, it's not landing a person on the Moon... so a bit of pondering usually reveals how to get there.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

That’s some clever and patient work that you did! Thanks for sharing!

Man what a great video. Awesome demonstration

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Melissa!

what if you find some studs sideways also and not up and down , would you have to cut openings on the wall so you can drill thru the stud ?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Those are called "fire blocks." There are a lot of tricks to get through those but they can be especially tricky when coupled with insulation in the walls. Long drill bits can get through them, but if your not good at steering them in a wall, cutting a hole is much safer.

Excellent video - thank you!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

You’re excellenter!

four studs and a fire break. Screw it, I'm tearing down the dry wall, doing all my wiring and then hanging more dry wall.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Ya. This one was harder than usual for sure.

@zimmejoc

4 жыл бұрын

Alan Clegg but what you did was perfect for my situation. I need to run power across/through 3 studs and cable across six studs. I also know for a fact I have a gas line to deal with as well. This was a great video I feel confident I can get this to work.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I’m sure you’re going to do a great job. Best of luck!

Hey Alan, Curious, how well does the ball chain technique work on insulated walls? How would you approach this project with insulation, would you use a magnepull device to get to the same end result??

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

Жыл бұрын

I sometimes use the Magnapull device but it does not work usually since there are almost always fireblocks in walls that are insulated. It requires at least a 3/4" hole too. I usually attach a ball chain to a glow rod to get the ball chain within a few inches of the target hole. If there is a fireblock, I only need to drill 3/8" holes with this technique which are WAY easier to patch.

@stephonnazeeh

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

What happened to 16" OC studs? Looks more like 4" OC...

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

I know! It was crazy!

I just bought a new house and want to wire the dishwasher. I drilled a hole in the floor already and fed the wire through to the main floor. The dishwasher has 2 wires (black and white) and the main wire from the basement has a black, white, and bare wire. I connected the black and white wire separately and what should I do with the bare wire?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Ed. Thanks for watching. The bare wire is a ground. There should be some kind of wire on your dishwasher for that bare wire. It may be green on your dishwasher or it may be a bare stranded wire screwed to the chassis somewhere near the splice box.

I thought this was a good, proper, and thorough video. I don't like using the wet noodle very often, but that is essentially what you are using with the ball chain.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

I also use a wet noodle and ball chain. They’re great! I was trying to show an option for someone who doesn’t have one.

I was just waiting on him to knock over the t.v.

@st2216

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe he did, but got edited... :)

@Rafael-si9jr

5 жыл бұрын

That's exaclay what I was thinking!!

@alfonsosoto5777

4 жыл бұрын

me too jajaja

@lowballer101

4 жыл бұрын

Hack job lol

Nice job! I believe that mine is a little different, my house was built in 1962 so the electrical box is steel. Any suggestions for mine?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Ugh. I hate working with steel boxes. You can try to cut them out with a sawzall but you risk cutting the electrical wires too. It may be easier to cut out the drywall depending on how hard the install is.

Hey ! I'm a State Licensed Journeyman Electrician / Sub Contractor with over 52 years in the Trade, Specializing in Residential & Commercial Electrical Wiring and Maint. I don't need YOU or some fly by night Hack Company Telling ME how to install anything ! I have years of Professional experience at Rewiring and Upgrading Older Homes to have them be Code Compliant and have done what You are doing hundreds of times !!

so awesome...i have been wanting to move an outlet in my kitchen but budget tight...as a woman i was a little intimidated until i watched this..thank you i am confident i can do this and have a better understanding of how the process goes...love how you explained everything clearly and thoroughly!

I was under the impression that most houses were / are built with fire-blocks in the walls. Why is it that every time I see a TV wall installation where the outlet is re-routed upwards, there is no fire-blocks?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Some houses have fire blocks in every wall but the vast majority only have them in external walls (walls that are shared with the outside of the house).

@ubreakitirepairit3569

5 жыл бұрын

@@AlanCleggYouDoAV Oooooh. Makes sense now. I took R.O.P. construction in 98 and clearly didn't learn / remember that. Thanks.

Its not so easy in England as most houses are brick-built. I have however devised a method for installing power cables WITHOUT the need to remove the skirting board. Firstly one makes a recess for the socket box. Next one uses a carbide tipped hole-saw, a long arbor and a power drill. Once the hole is about 5 mm deep a little ingenuity needs to be used to make the hole run vertically. One ditches the standard arbor and uses a 1/4" wobble bar with a 1/4" socket. With skill the hole can be bored vertically down to below the level of the floorboards. ( "Remgrit" hole-saws will cut though standard house-bricks with ease.) One slight drawback with this style of domestic wiring is that rodents may get underneath the floor and gnaw the wiring.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

My head hurts just thinking about this! Thanks for watching.

A couple access questions: Have you pulled wide baseboard for an access hole in drywall? If you were desperate, go through extra studs with a long extension to get to where you needed to go? For instance, on this job, could you have gone through the door jam and bored out all the studs across ?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

3 жыл бұрын

I've removed baseboard before and I don't love it. Some of my customers were wealthy and the baseboards were installed by fantastic carpenters, so I didn't like taking on the risk of cracking one or not being able to get it back on exactly the same way. When all else fails, I found drywall way easier to repair. I also don't like drilling long bits through walls blindly. I'll do one stud if I can reason that the risk is low, but more than that makes me nervous.

I know he is trying to educate us on how to accomplish this task, for what ever reason that was necessary to move the plug, but I would have simply installed the plug up where it was desired and dropped a piece of romex down the inside of the wall and tied it into the already installed outlet that he removed!

@mrmotofy

4 жыл бұрын

That wouldn't work cuz there were multiple studs inbetween, did you watch the vid? Clearly not

Lots of studs in that wall, guess the carpenter got paid by the stud. Real good video with helpful advice.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah. The framing was crazy here. I was definitely not expecting that.

Man, you had me more worried about throwing the TV on the floor in the whole video. hahahaha

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha! Thanks for watching!

There are breakable tabs on the side of each outlet that connect the top to the bottom. They’re there to let you break them off and wire each half its own way. In my case the top one is switched and the bottom is line. It’s not too common, but you should still check both halves of the outlet for power before pulling it out with unprotected hands. If fact, check them both twice, and check the tester on a known working outlet to be sure it works. So many ways to take a jolt of 120v you can’t be too careful. Getting zapped causes momentary Tourette’s syndrome and could do other serious damage to your body.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Good call!

Great video. If you have metal studs would you drill through the metal studs as well?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but it's harder. You shouldn't cross more than one stud though and you need to put some kind of bushing in the hole before you run a wire through it or the wire will get cut/damaged with time.

What do you do if it's a metal box? I suppose you could pull the Romex out of the box and drop it to the floor of the wall.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Metal boxes are pretty hard to work with. If they’re metal studs, you have to use metal boxes. If they’re wood studs, swap it out for a plastic box.

Great job an excellent explanation.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I would have tried to go into the attic above where I want my outlet drill thru the cross stud at top of ceiling and fish down a pull string or the new wiring and then attach the new wiring to a a junction box circuit in the attic.

@KevinCoop1

4 жыл бұрын

Earl Balentine What if two story and this is floor 1?

@EarlBalentine

4 жыл бұрын

@@KevinCoop1 You can cut little holes in the dry wall to fish electrical wiring completely around fate entire room. Maybe on the other side of that wall is another room that may hav e a electrical out close to where you want to hang your TV. It's not as hard as you think.

@KevinCoop1

4 жыл бұрын

Earl Balentine I don't think it is hard. I'm electrical designer and built my own house except for concrete and carpet. Just pointing out your comment may not always be possible. Enjoy life, stay healthy! Respectfully, Kevin

I would have found the load wire and ran new wire from the top or bottom in junction box DEPENDING on crawl space or slab. Whole lot of bs to do it this way and no chance of hitting electrical plumbing hvac or any other in wall ran wires. Plus is he putting a junction in the wall or using outlet to feed his new outlet. Plus circuit can only have so many outlets per amp breaker size (15, 20). So is he adding another outlet to a circuit that is already maxed.

Quite a few of my service calls are fixing what homeowners tried after 'watching that guy on youtube'. That being said this guy wasn't terrible though there better tools and quicker ways to do the above install.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I was trying to show the "hard way" to put another trick in their tool box. Thanks for watching!

@aarontapia7475

7 жыл бұрын

Justin Coates Why not make a video to illustrate?

Looks like going straight up from the bottom left hand hole would've put the outlet within the boundaries of the tv no? Would've been hidden then.

what if you also wanted to run an hdmi (s)?

You said you want to provide a professional job. But you are put garbage in the holes and using the customer furniture as a tool table. Good install anyway👍

@tombo629

5 жыл бұрын

My jaw dropped when I saw him go out of his way to drop the piece of electrical tape behind the wall!

@juanesparza127

4 жыл бұрын

Big ego + not safety .

Maybe a bigger TV to cover the plug..Nice job tho, very informative. Will tuck that away for future reference..

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the compliment and thanks for watching!

Very positive! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Sweet! Thanks for watching

So I start listening to this and I'm thinking if I'm going to sit through this video with this guy going through every little bit of minutiae, I better learn something I don't already know. Because I do a lot of this type of work. Then he takes that little ball chain and the magnet and I said aha. That is a pretty good trick and I will be using this in the future. If I have an unfinished basement below I usually take that route. Or if there is an attic above I go that way. And if there is neither I'm good at repairing drywall but that is a last resort. Anyway thanks for the tip and I will be using it. By the way my minimum charge to show up and do anything is $200.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and glad to help. I use this technique a lot when I’m very confident that there are no pipes, vents, etc and I don’t want to patch drywall and have no other access. Best of luck and I think that’s a fair rate. Our tools and experience aren’t free!

Thanks!

Is there some kind of wall fishing tool kit that I can buy at home depot to do this installation ?

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

You can buy glow rods from Home Depot but the best tool a custom installer can have is this: www.amazon.com/LABOR-SAVING-DEVICES-LSD85124-Retriever/dp/B00009WE0H Thanks for watching

@csbeaver

5 жыл бұрын

True

@lisat9707

5 жыл бұрын

Yup theres lots out there but honestly the ball chain and magnet would be just as effective and Waaaayyyy less expensive!

Big holes on so many studs. Did you check if you are dealing with a Load Bearing Wall?

@herbertmolano

4 жыл бұрын

Jorge Calderon Excellent observation! Likely the most important comment in the list of observations!

@mrmotofy

4 жыл бұрын

Can still do a hole through a bearing stud

Very useful video, learnt a lot :)

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad to help.

why NOT do a wall drop?

@zaklyles5943

7 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, perhaps this is is a bedroom on the first floor of a two story house? That would likely prevent being able to go up and over the studs.

@dannytheman2217

6 жыл бұрын

yeah we don't know about attic condition, i was thinking the same.

@eraldfaja1387

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing it would be a lot easier

@georgelam-yoyo4281

5 жыл бұрын

lol the whole time I was watching and wonder why it have to be so complicated. all u have to do make hole in that bracket space and another hole at the bottom, go to home depot buy 2 caps pull the cable over and plug to the original plug.. who s gonna see what under and behind any cabinet or a TV cabinet ?quick and easy

@assho8649

5 жыл бұрын

Finally some one read my mind

Smart guy, don' t used cheap outlets good job thank ......

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

5 жыл бұрын

Good advice. Thanks for watching.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I'm trying to learn somrhing

what was your real time that you took to install ?😪

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

7 жыл бұрын

I can do a tv install in about three hours including cleanup, programming and customer instruction. The tricky outlet install would add about 30 mins to an hour tops.

What model drill do you use? My dewalt 14 volt does not have the guts to spin an augur bit through in one try.

@AlanCleggYouDoAV

3 жыл бұрын

I use an older 18v dewalt drill. It's not as nice as the newer style but it has never let me down. I also buy the ones that have the hammer drill setting too since those come in handy when I am drilling stucco or concrete.