How to MASTER the Bf-109 | Tips, Tricks, and Examples | War Thunder Air RB

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This is my best video yet!
Today I have a complete guide on how to fly the Bf-109s from 4.0 to 5.7.
I have arranged the 50 minuted video into several categories, which give examples of tips, tricks, and strategies I use to fly the Bf-109s to their maximum potential.
I hope you guys enjoy and are able to learn something from this video!
Intro song: The Chase - Emmit Fenn
Outro song: Bottom of My Bottle - Lvly, Joche Wye
Timecodes/Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
3:13 - Hangar Overview
5:57 - Bf-109 metrics, controls, etc.
7:29 - MEC and German Airbrake
8:25 - Start of the Match
9:08 - How to Merge
14:30 - Attack Strategies: Hit and Run
17:54 - Attack Strategies: Boom and Zoom
26:21 - Dogfighting
29:47 - Multiple vs. 1 situations - Carrying
38:01 - Full match #2

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  • @roadkill6737
    @roadkill67372 ай бұрын

    Man this is high quality stuff. You deserve far more views and subs. Keep at it bro. Your quality will catch on. I added this comment and pressed the bell notifications for the algorithm for you.

  • @mrmeowsir2355
    @mrmeowsir2355Ай бұрын

    I’ve lost count on how many times I’ve watched this vid. So much good information. This creator is going places.

  • @petrrosslerjr
    @petrrosslerjr2 ай бұрын

    Long but comprehensive video tutorials with demonstrations aren't common in the WT community, which makes me appreciate them all the more because I have an idea of how much work goes behind it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you and going to check out your previous videos. Thanks. You have a new enthusiastic subscriber. You'll be my @DEFYN junior 🙂

  • @SheriffsSimShack
    @SheriffsSimShack2 ай бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/maV7qNxqiaerkso.html The reason for this is explainable. You dont control RPM in manual mode but directly prop pitch. Meaning in a 51 if you control the RPM manually (which was the case in reality all the time) the prop pitch govenor changes the propeller pitch to achieve the set RPM (100% = 3000RPM) Meaning if you go fast the pitch is coarse, if you go slow the pitch of the blades are fine. In the 109 this is different. in engine manual mode you dont control the RPM but really the prop pitch. Meaning if you go slow and you set the pitch coarse (

  • @fr33z-e63

    @fr33z-e63

    2 ай бұрын

    yooo it's the IL-2 youtuber

  • @arminferdinand5849
    @arminferdinand58492 ай бұрын

    Damn this came out with waaay more production quality than I expected. Also pretty good to show up in a few matches :)

  • @mattlopez73
    @mattlopez732 ай бұрын

    Very informative!! Great video!

  • @Wtsmyageagain
    @Wtsmyageagain7 күн бұрын

    Just commenting to let you know that your content is exactly what people like myself are looking for. High quality footage from a guy who knows what he's talking about and going through all the decisions he makes in a match, seriously awesome stuff man. All the more impressive with how young you are, congrats on graduating and good luck with everything you pursue.

  • @isaenkosasha4975
    @isaenkosasha497522 күн бұрын

    MAN IT'S GOOD THANK YOU FOR CONTENT CONTINUE WHAT YOU ARE DOING!

  • @kspplayerheffele
    @kspplayerheffele2 ай бұрын

    thanks for making this video because 109s are my favorites planes in the game and your content is very good, you explain what you are doing like defyn. Very good content and high quality gameplay

  • @markosteinberger
    @markosteinberger3 күн бұрын

    Your videos are absolutely joyful to watch! Really helpful and also entertaining at the same time.

  • @user-gh7wb2fu6e
    @user-gh7wb2fu6eАй бұрын

    I didn't realize you were so young until you mentioned just graduating in a more recent video. Your presentation style is great, you're very articulate and you teach in a very approachable manner. I hope your channel grows and grows! Thanks for helping us fly better!

  • @TheCodMineMan
    @TheCodMineManАй бұрын

    This is such a high production video man, you really know your stuff. Wonderful video, I hope the KZread algorithm blesses you

  • @slavicgondola1817
    @slavicgondola1817Ай бұрын

    Dude this video is just what i needed, i used to be more of a Yak 3/ La 7 but i wanted to try out something a little more high altitude and the 109s always seemed nice and this really helped me understand how to better utilize the strengths of the plane.

  • @Hellbenda
    @Hellbenda2 ай бұрын

    Great video. The way you broke it down and the different chapters. Quality guide.

  • @fotokozlowski
    @fotokozlowski2 ай бұрын

    Excellent tutorial bro, keep on going! Subscribed 👌

  • @letrouble5746
    @letrouble57462 ай бұрын

    Cool video, really like the detailed breakdown!

  • @matthewjones5667
    @matthewjones56672 ай бұрын

    This was very well illustrated and articulated, well done. I have not one bad thing to say and you play the energy game well! You made a comment about the F4 being sluggish now…if you take “Instructor” off you’ll become much more nimble and maneuverable at the cost of stability. You can easily stall or snaproll if you’re rough on the stick. It’s like flying a different plane allowing you to be much more aggressive. Someone like you could outturn a spitfire with the E and F using flaps in the right situations. Keep it up!

  • @vindicussixx3673
    @vindicussixx36732 ай бұрын

    Awesome tips, thanks!

  • @makarenkoa
    @makarenkoaАй бұрын

    Outstanding content! Keep ‘em coming. Video suggestion: an early jet guide (Me-262 or F-80)

  • @Wernerrrrr
    @WernerrrrrАй бұрын

    Great video, getting way better results now!

  • @specialofficerdoofus9297
    @specialofficerdoofus9297Ай бұрын

    I have played this game alot but i still rely on my insticts rather than tactics or strategies. Thank you for this mate

  • @mrmeowsir2355
    @mrmeowsir2355Ай бұрын

    Very educational, thank you

  • @MyPFPisSlightyOffCenter
    @MyPFPisSlightyOffCenter23 күн бұрын

    Nice guide! Thank you so much!

  • @noneofyourbusiness5074
    @noneofyourbusiness5074Ай бұрын

    Great video and I gotta say, I think you have the best Aim I've seen in War Thunder, I'm impressed by some of your shots, you make it look easy!!!

  • @Tubercollosal
    @Tubercollosal28 күн бұрын

    Amazing video. Just started learning Bf109 F4 so this is perfect.

  • @TheCarnif3x
    @TheCarnif3xАй бұрын

    Helped me a lot

  • @GrapeColayes
    @GrapeColayes2 ай бұрын

    This video was great keep up the work man

  • @KoljaGamer
    @KoljaGamer23 күн бұрын

    8:10 If I remember correctly, the Bf 109s had automatic propeller pitch. The Pilots would change the boost pressure (in at/ata/atü [kgf/cm²]; 1 at ≈ 0,980 bar) and the prop pitch atomatically adjusts to set pressure. There is also the Ladedruckanzeige (boost pressure indicator) inside the cockpit, pilots would more likely fly with this indicator rather than prop pitch. Note: I’m not native English speaking and also not an engineer, so maybe Ladedruck is more likely translated to manifold absolute pressure in the context of a Bf 109 DB 605 engine.

  • @finnrissa4594
    @finnrissa45942 ай бұрын

    it’s always refreshing seeing someone know their shit down to a science. Awesome video man :)

  • @user-ob9ox2go8o
    @user-ob9ox2go8oАй бұрын

    This really helped! Ty a lot!

  • @libra9381
    @libra9381Ай бұрын

    I subcribed just because it is 109, I dont really enjoy any utuber playing 109s since Smitty left but u give a lil hope. Keep up the good work 👍

  • @brandonwiese-oe1ul
    @brandonwiese-oe1ul2 ай бұрын

    This is perfect☺

  • @crokey5295
    @crokey52952 ай бұрын

    Excellent video and channel.

  • @nationalnightlynews8553
    @nationalnightlynews85532 ай бұрын

    very good vid, has been very useful in helping me go from hating the 109s to liking them a fair bit :) if you are taking video suggestions, would appreciate a g.56 video, its not a very specialized plane, but it is pretty fun

  • @Dawid-gg3hp
    @Dawid-gg3hp2 ай бұрын

    thank you

  • @koliakornieiev1843
    @koliakornieiev184319 күн бұрын

    i am relatively new player(lvl 16) and grinded bf 109 F4, and going to research this treeline further, 'cuz i need CAS aircrafts for Ground RB and Bf 109s are more universal, they are somewhat manouverable(in comparison with other german aircrafts) and have bombloads. Thanks for the video, was very informative, i hope it will help me to grind other aircrafts of german tech tree

  • @chrisgilding6296
    @chrisgilding62962 ай бұрын

    What a guide 10/10 I hope there will be more like a Spitfire Or P-51 done this way,thanks

  • @kizvy
    @kizvyАй бұрын

    I love the bf 109, especially the e7. Second plane I got an ace in freely

  • @Cibohos
    @Cibohos21 күн бұрын

    just made the switch from d9 to g2 trop to grind rank 4 and 5, thank you for this guide, it's great. If you have the time please do make a video of roughly how to fight which planes in each rank, I just don't have the knowledge about the planes like I have of tanks.

  • @woznix
    @woznixАй бұрын

    Good Flyin good aim.

  • @nath_j711
    @nath_j711Ай бұрын

    this video alone got me to subscribe, why haven't i found your channel sooner

  • @ebastian_x
    @ebastian_x2 ай бұрын

    every new player should watch this video

  • @RallenBosessen
    @RallenBosessen2 ай бұрын

    I love it

  • @tonyyu6027
    @tonyyu6027Ай бұрын

    damn, I love your video. MORE PLEASE!

  • @romainpibs7128
    @romainpibs71282 ай бұрын

    Maybe I ask a lot but could you make that kind of vidéos with other planes ? Great advices and gameplay btw, I already hit that like button :)

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    These videos take a lot of effort, but I’ll make more of these in the future!

  • @Siddich
    @Siddich2 ай бұрын

    you made it! 🤗🤗🤗 thanks. ta-152C next? 😜

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    Maybe ;)

  • @JohnAdams-fm4gt
    @JohnAdams-fm4gt2 ай бұрын

    Clean ass intro clean dives and execution

  • @gurumagoo
    @gurumagooАй бұрын

    If Im in a close fight at a disadvantage and I'm close to the the other aircraft, I like to give him a burst. A lot of inexperienced players hear that and assume I must actually have a shot, when in fact, I don't. They will often go on the defense instead of pressing their turn in an attack, and that's often all I need.

  • @austinarmstrong9729

    @austinarmstrong9729

    25 күн бұрын

    Smart asf my dude , I got to try this

  • @KoljaGamer
    @KoljaGamer23 күн бұрын

    Just a minor correction to the start (4:04): The 7.92 mm MG 17 were built by Rheinmetall and not by Mauser. But the 20 mm MG 151/20 were built by Mauser. :)

  • @savasolarov8424
    @savasolarov84242 ай бұрын

    Truly masterful, thanks for the beautiful clips at start and the guide.

  • @Mono02007
    @Mono0200723 күн бұрын

    Also the k4 has a longer vertical stabilizer

  • @LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial
    @LockheedC-130HerculesOfficialАй бұрын

    You are a lot more maneuverable than my plane is

  • @NHDbrouf117
    @NHDbrouf1172 ай бұрын

    Very, very cool ! The mini-montage was great, I loved it ! Very good tips, the best thing is that you implemented a lot of examples in this video. Praise the german engineering and the wonderful "Deutsche Qualität" !

  • @hawk947
    @hawk947Ай бұрын

    Thanks for the info great content. Have you tried BF-109 Dora. Rools very nicely.

  • @pandablackster
    @pandablackster2 ай бұрын

    Omg this is a really useful guide! Very nice, one question this type of tactics can be used also with the fw190d13? I'm struggling with his poor elevator controls

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks! You can use these same tactics, but you can’t be as aggressive in energy traps because the 190D has worse energy retention in the vertical and turn

  • @pandablackster

    @pandablackster

    2 ай бұрын

    @@MacWithGun i will try! thx

  • @cavan1
    @cavan12 ай бұрын

    Just commenting for the algorithm

  • @MrMrSpok
    @MrMrSpok2 ай бұрын

    I understand you prefer the G-6, but if you have recorded a good games with the BF 109 F-4, I would greatly appreciate a video adding a text analysis of "what you do and why you do it", just like in the YAK-9U video from 23.02.2024 which also concludes with a 7-kill battle with an F-4.

  • @FullSweatTryhard
    @FullSweatTryhardАй бұрын

    *_How to master… Go up!_*

  • @frenchguy_7380
    @frenchguy_73802 ай бұрын

    hello thanks for the great video, i rly like 109s so it will be of use :) just a quick technical question, how do you cut throttle so fast (an exemple is when you are energy trapping with the 109 F-4 and the F-6C i think) ? i have to wait maybe 1/2 sec to go from wep to 0% (using mouse wheel or keys). Are you using a specific setup ? And for the flaps, is there any difference between take off and landing (while climbing for an energy trap) ?

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    So there’s a nifty little trick you can do with your controls. In the control throttle, you can to set up a key bind to ‘reset axis’

  • @MrMrSpok
    @MrMrSpok2 ай бұрын

    This video made me a subscriber.

  • @Siddich
    @Siddich2 ай бұрын

    like a G-6, like a, like a G-6…🤗 yeah. the only higher rank 109 that works for me. i have a problem with XP-50s that are way above me in the F-4. when having an energy advantage, every 109 is ok…but getting there.

  • @MIBHorns-uq4tn
    @MIBHorns-uq4tn2 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this! What are your thoughts G10, vs G14, vs K4?

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    G14 is basically a slightly lighter g6 at 5.3 K4 is all around best, since it has better performance at altitudes below 5km and is faster than the g10. I’d only use the g10 for altitudes over 6km

  • @Saiko-sj6yp
    @Saiko-sj6yp2 ай бұрын

    I don't understand how to control the manual engine but i want to try it soon 😂. A question, is 109 still good without controlling the manual engine?

  • @LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial
    @LockheedC-130HerculesOfficialАй бұрын

    which 109 is ur personal favorite?

  • @Radju22
    @Radju22Ай бұрын

    How to manually adjust radiators?

  • @hectornajar5835
    @hectornajar5835Ай бұрын

    If you havent could you do a setting video?

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    Ай бұрын

    I’ll cover my settings in the near future!

  • @wongarnold2879
    @wongarnold28792 ай бұрын

    I just got my first jet. But, I don’t see the appeal for jet gameplay in war thunder. It’s so fast paced and missiles makes gameplay more challenging. Secondly, I feel like you have to unlearn everything from props, as stalling out people is a recipe for a missile.

  • @kakute4159
    @kakute41592 ай бұрын

    The algorithm has smiled upon you this day. Never knew of you before but recommended to me, great video all round, might be long but 100% worth the watch

  • @user-wv3dg4fr8e
    @user-wv3dg4fr8e2 ай бұрын

    What are your key binds for your flaps? Because mine are 'f' for combat flaps and then ']' for combat, takeoff and then landing flaps.

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    F-toggle V-lower G-raise C-gear 😬 It’s a bit weird, but it works for me :)

  • @user-wv3dg4fr8e

    @user-wv3dg4fr8e

    2 ай бұрын

    @@MacWithGun Okay, thank you

  • @DzinkyDzink
    @DzinkyDzink27 күн бұрын

    Do you play the entire match with MEC on? The old school tip was to only use it during climb and inbetween fights to cool the engine off.

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    27 күн бұрын

    I do play the entire match with MEC, yes. I find it more efficient, because if my engine is overheating I can simply open the radiators slightly more, or do whatever else. I can also do other tricks easier, such as the German airbrake.

  • @Siddich
    @Siddich2 ай бұрын

    war thunder affiliate link when? 😜 btw. if you made a decal, could it be defyns, just changed up a bit? or use his wingtipp emblem as decal for confusion…😈

  • @Siddich
    @Siddich2 ай бұрын

    tried it out today...yup my mistake was climbing with 270 kph and full rads open all the time... put my rads to 40% and climbed with 290 kph, everything went fine...

  • @shalyarkh2633
    @shalyarkh2633Ай бұрын

    Ok help a brother i play grb and got into aviation for cas but I suffer i get killed with just a small burst and when i shoot like there is no tomorrow sometimes get a kill I don't know if it is skill issue or I use wrong belts or shells or bullets so should i use he or armor piercing for planes that is

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    Ай бұрын

    He belts is almost always better for killing aircraft. Find the belts with the most HEF, HEFI, or API bullets/shells. I use 600m convergence without vertical targeting, and make sure you are leading your guns properly.

  • @shalyarkh2633

    @shalyarkh2633

    Ай бұрын

    @@MacWithGun thank you and your video was really helpful as well it.

  • @Liseky4
    @Liseky411 күн бұрын

    How do you do it bro :/// my bf109g6 doesnt want to turn more than 7.5 degrees when above 600km/h

  • @1337_YbuR
    @1337_YbuRАй бұрын

    How do you deal with the LF mk9 who are above you ?

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    Ай бұрын

    I covered this is the first game of my most recent video on the G-14. But I’ll also explain below. There is a griffon spit above me, I bait him into a short turning fight then run away. Since he bleeds more speed then I do in turns, I force him into a turn to equalize our energies so that I can then exit the fight and get away from him.

  • @sule.A
    @sule.A22 күн бұрын

    K4 and g10 is basically the same engine just k4 uses different fuel

  • @eisenhammertech5248
    @eisenhammertech5248Ай бұрын

    I really want to see if the Bf-109 Z can be salvaged as a useful plane. I purchased it and I just can't make it perform at all. Perhaps you can give some tips?

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    Ай бұрын

    I don’t have it unfortunately, but you have to play it as a strict BnZ fighter. With its poor turn rate combined with the slow guns, predicting how the enemy will dodge is key to aiming with the zwilling. If you miss, then you climb straight up, no turnfighting

  • @eisenhammertech5248

    @eisenhammertech5248

    Ай бұрын

    @@MacWithGun It took me quite a lot of flight time to get to the point I could call myself anything approaching "good" with it. Boom and zoom is pretty much the only method that works with it.

  • @cubepain92
    @cubepain922 ай бұрын

    I think i need to improve my crew skills, no way i could do that without making my screen black cz my pilot is passed out.

  • @0GTXR
    @0GTXR2 ай бұрын

    I remember reading about 109s having some sort of low speed thrust bug decreasing performance. Is this still the case?

  • @NHDbrouf117

    @NHDbrouf117

    2 ай бұрын

    Doesn't seem like it. You had to use manual prop pitch below 200kp/h, and put it to 70% (or lower if at higher altitude). This allowed the aircraft to float in the air, in the exact same way that Mac showcased, but since he wasn't using this trick it means that it has been "fixed" by implementing it to the auto prop pitch.

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah later 109s 4.7 and above, especially the k-4 have a problem where their engine goes kaput at speeds below 240kph IAS, losing around 1/3 of its horsepower

  • @blacktiger974

    @blacktiger974

    2 ай бұрын

    @@MacWithGun I remember reading that a similar effect exists in all aircraft in WT and that it's a realistic behaviour.

  • @clariidfisherman3702

    @clariidfisherman3702

    16 күн бұрын

    @@blacktiger974yes. That is because propellers lose efficiency at lower speeds. They kinda act like rotating wings and “stall” at low speeds like planes do. However, 109s have another prop pitch trick where below 250kph, you can turn on manual prop pitch and set between 64-70% prop pitch to pull thrust out of thin air. I recommend staying at exactly 64% to get the most effect without overheating and over revving the engine too quickly. You can use it to float in stall fights and it’s saved my virtual life lots of times

  • @xevious4142
    @xevious41422 ай бұрын

    This is that good shit

  • @hendrik457
    @hendrik457Ай бұрын

    my number 1 problem is having someone behind you and at the same altitude. Even though my plane performs better at higher alts, how do i get myself in an advantageous position?

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    Ай бұрын

    It depends on what plane you and the enemy are in. If you climb better and/or are faster, just run until the enemy either breaks off or you have enough space to turn around and accelerate for a merge. You can also dive to gain speed and set up for a reversal, but it’s more risky. I’d only do this if I was desperate or if my plane is better in a dogfight.

  • @hendrik457

    @hendrik457

    Ай бұрын

    @@MacWithGun ah, the running away i understand. Getting into an advantageous merge i don't understand. It's always 1 turn and they are 400 meters behind me

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    Ай бұрын

    @@hendrik457 you have to get enough separation so that once you turn around, you can then accelerate up to a decent speed before you head on them.

  • @hendrik457

    @hendrik457

    Ай бұрын

    @@MacWithGun ahh so. It feels so stupid though. That this is the 'only' strategy. I would rather energy trap them. But i can't seem to get myself in a position to do that. For example. Me in a k4 and opponent in a lf mk 9 at 5k alt.

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    Ай бұрын

    @@hendrik457 for that scenario, I accelerate and then shallow climb, 10degrees or so. Starting At 5km, the 109k easily out climbs and outruns the spitfire. Just run for 2 mins, if you are above him and faster too, then you can start a slow upwards spiral to stall him out

  • @Bf109F-4lover
    @Bf109F-4lover2 ай бұрын

    From my experience and this video, I think the Bf 109 is the german version of Michael Jordan, hangs in the air. Btw you said that the Bf 109F-4 got nerfed, of course! If they were as in real life, they would have been true competitors to XP-50, F2G, P-51H, etc

  • @OfficialAnekito

    @OfficialAnekito

    2 ай бұрын

    "Bf 109F-4 got nerfed, of course! If they were as in real life, they would have been true competitors to XP-50, F2G, P-51H, etc" A tru F4 enjoyer

  • @Bf109F-4lover

    @Bf109F-4lover

    2 ай бұрын

    @@OfficialAnekito, Yes I LOVE Bf 109s but I don't have the skill yet to get average 4 kills per game, but yeah I was suffering when I got it, and I knew something was wrong.

  • @planeloverpilot4802

    @planeloverpilot4802

    Ай бұрын

    tbh its fine in sim mode, u get alot of aerodynamic advantage in sim controls

  • @Bf109F-4lover

    @Bf109F-4lover

    Ай бұрын

    @@planeloverpilot4802 It's still a very good plane

  • @sule.A

    @sule.A

    21 күн бұрын

    You mean k4??

  • @fr33z-e63
    @fr33z-e632 ай бұрын

    hey man do you do duels? I think it would be a great experience to duel someday!

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    Not too often, but do you mean just record duels with specific planes?

  • @Hellbenda

    @Hellbenda

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@MacWithGun would be cool to see 109 duels vs specific planes and how to fight them, spitty, yaks etc.

  • @fr33z-e63

    @fr33z-e63

    2 ай бұрын

    @@MacWithGun I mean fuels with viewers maybe

  • @kimjanek646
    @kimjanek6462 ай бұрын

    4:00 But those MG 17s are from Rheinmetall, while the MG 151 is from Mauser :O

  • @moto_45__
    @moto_45__2 ай бұрын

    awesome video! i love the f4 and this makes me want to get back in it

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    Careful, the flight mode got nerfed and it doesn’t turn as well anymore, but it’s still a good plane.

  • @moto_45__

    @moto_45__

    2 ай бұрын

    @@MacWithGun awe I'm sad now I'm playing with the g14 instead

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    @@moto_45__ fly the g6, it’s the best midtier 109 and my favorite, it’s just a bit overweight

  • @moto_45__

    @moto_45__

    2 ай бұрын

    @MacWithGun I was earlier but I found it alittle weak but I've been doing okay in the 14, do you climb straight in or off to the side?

  • @MacWithGun

    @MacWithGun

    2 ай бұрын

    @@moto_45__ Because 109s need altitude to be competitive, I only do a slight side climb, which gives me the alt advantage. G14 is also pretty good, but I find the G6 to be better because its only a slight performance difference at .7BR lower.

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