Maker’s Mob Black Friday//Cyber Monday: go.themakersmob.com/black-friday-super-sale-neil/?via=neil Some of you wanted to see how I made the steel boxes in my last video so here it is. The jig is pretty simple but works fantastic. As well as making boxes and trays I also plan on making drawers for a few projects using this jig.

@stich1960

Жыл бұрын

No essential craftsman is kind of sad

@jebowlin3879

Жыл бұрын

not sure if it would help, but maybe lever clamps to help hold the larger sheets of metal when cutting, otherwise this jig is pretty awesome. As always well done

@smsucks7174

Жыл бұрын

The blue one… really sharp looking 👍🏻

@chutomagh9946

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, very much. Looking forward to the drawer video.

@repairtech9320

Жыл бұрын

I can't find that blue hammered metal paint anywhere. 😭

Handy hint: If you don't own an old caliper to score the sheet with, simply use a new caliper. In only a few passes it will be an old caliper.

@dirtyaznstyle4156

Жыл бұрын

Scratch awl is cheaper, yes I know that’s not what it’s for but it works. A drywall screw works even lol

@isaacruizandero6407

Жыл бұрын

Puede usar un calibre trazador, con punta de carburo. Son baratos, funcionan muy bien y duran mucho tiempo .

@whyldthing86

Жыл бұрын

😂

@MatteBlackSilhouette

Жыл бұрын

Also works with the saw.

@MrJackandEmily

Жыл бұрын

Haha 😄 use a Stanley knife, they snap off!

As an old maker, I can say your videos are excellent! No wasted blabbering, annoying music, or self - aggrandizing comments! Thank You!

I really like, that you always have an alternative way of doing your projects, if you haven't got the tools. It's super important knowing how to improvise around a problem and using alternative building methods.

@anonymousaccordionist3326

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, even if you either have the original tools used, or don't even have the tools for the alternative method, simply seeing the different ways the same task can be accomplished can really help improvisational problem solving skills, at least for me.

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! :)

@bennylloyd-willner9667

Жыл бұрын

Agree! It is easy to find very skilled craftspersons (I guess that is the word nowadays...) on KZread, but here you also get the great teaching skills useful for less experienced/equipped DIYers. All done in a calm and relaxed mature way without "Dude!-shouting" or intrusive music - 🏆

@danimalmaxasis2762

Жыл бұрын

Was working on a project one day with a very wise man.. I said we have a problem here.. he replied.. are you sure it is a problem and not an opportunity? That taught me really how to think outside of the box where most people keep themselves missing out on their true potential.

@MichaelKingsfordGray

Жыл бұрын

Your fake childish "name" is apt.

If you're using an angle grinder, harbor freight has an attachment for them called a "Safety Guard for Angle Grinders" , it's a replacement guard for your angle grinder that has an adjustable flat plate so that it can be used like a saw. I used one quite often when I was doing metalwork, it made it real easy to do straight cuts.

You mentioned instead of welding the corners, one might do corner brackets. Another idea would be to not fully remove the corner pieces. Instead, just do one of the cuts and fold over the other. That way you have a bit of overlap at the corner, which yo could very easily drill through and rivet. No extra brackets needed.

@byugrad1024

Жыл бұрын

A bit of a challenge since the bends wouldn't line up perfectly. You'd have needed to score those slightly offset for that to work.

@IctWilsons

9 ай бұрын

Soldering the corners could also work

Neat project. One of the things that stands out with your projects and videos are the jigs you create. For me, sometimes that is the take away from the video. For someone that doesn't weld, another idea to close the corners would be to only cut one side of the waste square and the fold that over and join with a rivet. Thanks for another video.

@Luis-eu2ow

Жыл бұрын

It is possible to solder it instead if you don't weld. Just tighten the gaps up with a hammer and then go for it with some flux, torch, and solder

@sincerelyyours7538

Жыл бұрын

Or use JB Weld epoxy. No heat at all required.

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike! Jigs are always fun to make, especially if they make a task easier. The only problem I see with leaving a corner tab to bend and join with a rivet is the bend will be directly where the face you're trying to join to is. You could do it but I don't think it would be very neat. With thinner material and no groove you could bend it a bit further forward. :)

@TheGardengroove

Жыл бұрын

@@PaskMakes Or you will have to keep that in mind and cut the one side on the corner a bit deeper, corresponding the thickness of the material. Your version is cleaner tho, I love the outcome and am gonna try it myself. Thanks for the inspiration!

@TheGardengroove

Жыл бұрын

Oh, just seeing that the grumpy old man sid the exct same thing, nevermind then

Here is a tip... With metal, strip it and paint it first before you store it. You can see some of the sheet metal is already rusting, removing rust in corners is difficult. If you store any metal IT WILL RUST. Just wipe your metal clean of any oils, and spray it with some spray paint. When you do a project the paint wipes easily off with a bit of acetone, no time wasting removing messy rust.

@RayleighCriterion

Жыл бұрын

If the humidity levels are less than 40% then it won't rust, so the trick is to store your metal in the dry desert air.

I’m a new welder and just finished making four drawers for my welding cart using angle iron and sheet metal, I really wish I saw this video BEFORE I went through all that! I could have shaved a lot of weight and headache! I’ll definitely use this technique next time!

@RicardoRodriguez-yt6bi

6 ай бұрын

Mark ur box sides on the flat sheet , then just use angle iron c clamped to ur table with ur flat in between aligned with ur marked out lines on the angle…then hammer away…its really not that complicated . If its thicker metal just put in some relief cuts to bend easier

With lid bent at the same time is easy, in the 1980s I used to cut 2 blanks like you have done but in 0.7mm Zintec Steel and fold them both sandwiched together at the same time and that would give a tight fitting lid. Sometimes I did bend them with a sheet of cardboard as a spacer to give clearance while bending for a lose fitting lid. This was so much easier then working out a bending clearance and marking out ;-) I am still using my 4" x 6" small tin boxes, they now have a bit of gas welding just on the corners to stop them spreading.

@NigelTolley

Жыл бұрын

That's a top tip!

The offset strip that you use to set the position for the scoring lines could be piano hinged right onto the fence. When you want to set the offset, drop it into position, when you are done with it, flip it up out of the way for the saw to pass. You'll never lose it.

Alternatively, you use a tiny diameter in a Dremel with a base. It has the advantage of being able to make stop cuts. The idea of using metal sheets to make drawers is absolutely brilliant! It's definitely faster to make and provides more interior space due to the thinner walls.

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Bob! :)

Great work Neil! You could recess some neodymium magnets into your play jig to hold the metal down.

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ben - that would work well, it would attract chips though and there are a lot of them. :)

16ga is perfect! It’s thicker gauge than most toolboxes, harder to dent or bend under weight and nice and solid. Drop a bunch of sockets or fasteners on it and it doesn’t have a tin can sound

In aerospace this is known as ‘rout & fold’ method and is generally used on composite sandwich panels. It was also used on the original composite F1 car monocoque chassis such as what you’d see on early to mid 80’s Lotus’ and McLarens.

@snoopu2601

Жыл бұрын

In shop class in Jr high and high school this would be the first thing they would show us how to make is a small tool box to make out of metal. To keep are basic tool's in. My brother still has my little metal box I made he keeps his hair clippers in it. It was made with galvanised metal if I remember correctly.

@princetchalla2441

Жыл бұрын

How do you find more names for the various methods in aerospace for metal/composite forms? I want to study various methods but don’t know if there’s a Bible for metal forming in aircraft.

@carolynscroggins6389

11 ай бұрын

@@princetchalla2441 An FAA Advisory Circular (AC 43.13-1B) has some answers. You will need a fast connection.

Reminds me of the old (and still used) Detroit pizza pans. They used the parts trays from the automotive manufacturing plant to make, in my opinion, the best pizza in the world. I absolutely love the blue hammer finish on that one!

If you want to spot weld or pop rivet, you could just cut one half of the tab, and fold it in. Beautiful quick project

@grumpyoldman5772

Жыл бұрын

You'd need to offset the bend by one material thickness though.

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Leif! I already answered this on an earlier comment and 'Grumpy old man' has already answered it here for me, he's right. :)

@JESUSCHRYSLER5512

Жыл бұрын

@@PaskMakes you are welcome.

@rampanttricky17

Жыл бұрын

One could create separate rectangular pieces, scored down the middle bend to 90°, drill holes and used rivets to attach them to support the joints. Or use a torch and solder (hard/silver) or braze using some flux and copper wire. Or .... 🙀

Excellent video, I looked up a dewalt cordless metal saw, and added to my wish list for Christmas. I did not know there was such a tool, but now I do, many thanks. As someone suggested, battery trays are a big thing, and I know a few bits of plant equipment that would benefit.

Love this video. No wasted time yet, shows everything necessary.

great trick! i've never seen this done before for making boxes or trays. i worry a little about using it to put heavy things in, as the material is only half as thick around the bottom perimeter, but i think that a few stitch welds around the bottom on the inside would make it bulletproof. I really appreciate that you think about viewers with very limited tool selection! i have tons of tools, but i also appreciate doing projects with just a few hand tools. can't wait to see your next video about organizer drawers.

I had never thought of making these as I don't have a break. This is such a great idea. Thank you for posting this.

Perfect timing, Neil. Just got a great deal on a Mig welder and want to do many shop projects, including some steel drawers. With your method, I don't need a metal brake.

LOL, I watched lots of your videos as a long-time subscriber, but I just now realized you're an Aussie. I'm Swedish but have been to your lovely country a couple of times since my Brother and later Mum'n'Dad moved there decades ago. To me, hearing your voice adds to the greatness of your videos Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi 😁👍

Once again you show a deceptively simple design that's really elegant. I can see all kinds of uses for boxes like these. And yes please show the organizer. You are a treasure, Neil. Thanks for sharing this.

I appreciate you letting us know those were old calipers. :)

I honestly thought you were making baking pans until I watched the video.. Nice work. I'm sure you'll find a million and one uses for metal pans in your shop. Very nice.. 👍

@trappedinroom1014

Жыл бұрын

If you use stainless steel, these could easily be made as baking trays I reckon. 😁👍🏻

Even though I’m not a metal worker, it’s a 👍 from me. Forgotten how sharp sheet metal can be, especially in working with a large piece in a cramped garage space.

I do it just by scratching the sheets with a broken saw blade for metal saws, but I use ways thinner sheets, that's a really great way to do it, not just another DIY tutorial to make something worth two bucks but you need a workshop worth 1/4 million bucks, like usually, this method is doable with basic tools, even in a flat if one doesn't have the space for a workshop. Thank you 🖖

@ernestwilliams3112

Жыл бұрын

Less is more 😊👍

I remember watching the video of you making your welding table a while back, its satisfying to see how useful it is

Not only are you videos very entertaining but the fact that you aim to teach how to do your projects with everyday tools most folks have is really awesome & impressive. You’re one of a kind, Pask!!

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Joshua! Glad you enjoy the videos! :)

If you plan on making a bunch of boxes, I'd suggest getting some quick workholding clamps and putting holes for bolts in the jig, and bolting a pair of clamps on the side so you don't have to manually hold the sheets. You can also easily make a jig for holding the box while you drill holes if you're going for the riveting/bolting angles to the corners. Those quick clamps are great for jigs.

Great idea. Fairly easy to make. And if you have old sheets of metal laying around, i.e. old PC cases your fixing to scrap, and old appliances the larger pieces of sheet metal can be repurposed for more storage. And while plastic has its uses, these trays are more durable.

I love to see a craftsman at work.....great stuff.

One of your cleverest projects ever Neil! Thanks so much!

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Capt Buscemi - glad you think so! :)

@hrodwulf172

Жыл бұрын

@@PaskMakes you could make it even cleverer by adding triangles to the jig that would allow you to cut a many sided base and create a hexagonal, or a hexacontagon if it pleased you. You could create some nifty little metal boxes with them!

I like these simple and practical projects. Thanks Neil.

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! :)

I've never seen a metal blade like that here in South Africa. I'd like to get a few 👍 Thanks for sharing your skill 🙏

Nice jig. For the strip you use to set the adjustable fence, you could attach it to the main fence with a hinge and then just flip it up out of the way when cutting. This would keep it with the jig and prevent accidentally using it for another project or throwing it away.

your welding torch / hand steady needs a shout out :) looks fab

1st drill pilot holes into the corners, this is the first lesson of every metal worker. Bends better and makes alignment easier.

Exactly the video I've been wishing for. Have got a large sheet of thin sheetmetal from a water heater that I've wanted to make a chip tray for my 10 inch south bend lbench lathe. Thanks!

I turned a wood-cutting blade backwards on my saw years ago to cut a bunch of sheet metal (works really well!) and the sparks melted the housing around the blade. To prevent slipping, cover your jig with the non-slide open-weave matting used for bottoms of drawers in tool-chests. It's used in kitchen cabinets too.

Very timely mate, I need storage bins in my 'workshop' and have a load of sheet steel. Been looking at making a folding jig but this method looks way easier. Thank you very much.

@ettaz

Жыл бұрын

Good luck with that project! Sounds fun, I wish I had a workshop to organise

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful Mark! :)

Handy trays for pulling things apart for repairing etc. I'm not sure if there's such things as magnetic sheets but if so, Magnetic trays are really handy to avoid losing bits. Great video Neil 👍🏼👍🏼

@Luis-eu2ow

Жыл бұрын

Magnetic sheets definitely exist, or just buy a whole roll of fridge magnet and cutting it to size

Brilliant work, Neil! Really well done! 😃 If you use stainless steel sheets you can use those even for cooking! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much! :)

I'm not a metalworker but you've given me some ideas for small boxes in wood. Thanks!

LOVE the way you explain all the details. Thank you

You never cease to blow me away with your skills!

Only YOU could make this topic so exciting to watch. Thx Neil!!

Good accuate process for this method. Have used it in the past for trailer fenders and battery trays, free hand with a cut off wheel and a straight board...this is a more refined method. Did weld a few stiches in my corners because i didn't trust my depth of cut to be consistent.

Can make focaccia pan with this technique 😋👍

This is just what i needed. Basically im fitting 3rd row seat from an e-nv200 combi into a van equivalent. I need a recess in the floor where the fold down leg goes. These boxes will be perfect with a lip welded in to bolt to the van floor.

ok. i'm in *LOVE* with the simplicity of this! Thanks!

INCREDIBLE Craftsmanship!!!!

I like the jig. I've made boxes before by slitting the length of the bend and then leaving a couple tabs connected. Then bend by hand and weld. It was a lot more welding than scoring the length of the bend as shown in the video.

Properly scaled, cleaned and seasoned, you could make some Detroit style pizza in one of these.

Not having to use a metal brake is a real game changer. Great vid and fantastic results

A chatted with a contractor who was making a lab, and the upstairs storage was floored with diamond plate. He had an old Blue Ryobi circular saw he was using for cutting the steel. He bought something he wasn't going to mind losing quickly for cutting some plate, figuring to buy something better suited if he got more of those kinds of jobs and after the saw died. Several years later and although being used more than he thought for cutting steel (and occasionally wood as a spare saw) it was surprising him with how long it was lasting.

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

That's great to know, thanks! :)

Nice video. I also used this technique of grooving the steel sheet before bending. I used it for making feet for a compressor tank. However, I welded up the bends on the inside after bending, with a MIG/MAG-welder, to restore the integrity of the parts. It is a very easy way to bend somewhat thick sheet metal.

@borischerniy4430

3 ай бұрын

Thanks, and q: Should the groove be at outer or inner side of the angle?

Nice job Mate ! Those little boxes will last for years. Better than any plastic bins ! Liked the idea of cutting half way thru for the corners / edges. Worth making the fixture.

Looks like a an ideal way to make steel cases for tools of custom sizes....

I have used this technique with an angle grinder with the thin cutting disks designed for stainless steel and the diamond disks as used in the cutting of ceramic tiles. The blade guard can be adjusted to position it against the cutting guide and the depth of cut can easily be determined by eye. The first pass is a quick light stroke followed by one or two subsequent passes. The advantage of this method is the equipment is inexpensive, readily available and the disks are operating at their optimum performance.

You weren't kidding, those are super simple to make!

Good show as usual Neil! Efficient use of time with this jig!

@PaskMakes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much! Glad you like it! :)

awesome idea to use the circular saw and a jig 👍 using the angle grinder freehand is always tricky do get the depth consistent, and usually a single cut is a little too narrow...

This is a textbook presentation, thank you so much. you have solved a lot of problems And answered all my questions. legend ❤

I made custom pizza baking pans from this inspiration thank you. I removed mill scale and washed and seasoned them 8 times and they are perfect! The heavier gauge retains heat.

Looks super useful! And I've been meaning to put a metal cutting blade on one of my old spare circular saws

@MrBez007

Жыл бұрын

You will prob find the higher rpm of a wood saw kills the metal cutting blade very quickly. Or I did any way !

Thank you for your outstanding tutorial, which was very interesting and informative. Excellent presentation, narration, videography and detail. I'm pleased to have found your channel and to have subscribed.

I need to make some metal drawers to fill a couple of empty slots in an old industrial rack I have. I may just try your technique. Thanks for sharing!

Reminds me of sheet metal projects I did in Jr. High where we made a simple toolbox with a pull-out tray.

Nice job 👍. Thanks for showing the build.

Making a mini portable bbq grill tomorrow. Thanks for the idea.

Wonderful! I won’t make any because I don’t do any metal work. If I did I could as you are amazing! Great watch Bob England

1. Buy a tin on biscuits 2. Eat biscuits 3. One tin box. Ready to go! That is my method, but I loved yours, well done!

Thx for the video. That way I'll make a tray for my smoker. Regards from Germany

Great video. I want to start welding sometime and this looks like the perfect project for practice. I currently use my table saw with a metal blade, but the jig you made is very nice.

@jeromethemechanic6871

Жыл бұрын

That does not seem safe lol

Fantastic. Love the way your brain works. Woodworking or metal working, your videos are the best.

Just discovered your channel. I love your work. I’ve subscribed and look forward binging your content!! I’m seriously inspired!!! Can’t wait to make some metal boxes for my garage. 😅

Just brilliant. Cheers for sharing.

Very impressive! You are a great instructor.

the boxes look perfect for the oil pan used to make Detroit deep pan pizzas. the metal cutting circular saw runs lower on the rpm's

Bravo, simple but quite effective process.

I'm definitely making this jig. Great work!

Absolutely amazing thanks for the knowledge brother much appreciated

That is slick! Thanks for the ideas! Oh, and you could also braze or probably even solder the corners. Or don't cut out the corners. Instead just cut one side, bend up the sides, leaving a tab corner which can be bent over and riveted - no extra bracket.

@davidhawley1132

Жыл бұрын

That tab when you bend it up will be in the same plane as the side to which you want to attach it. You need it to be offset either to the inside or outside.

@Sylvan_dB

Жыл бұрын

@@davidhawley1132 True, and the offset needed is the thickness of the material. This means for sufficiently thin material the offset is insignificant. For thicker stock it is easy enough to score the tab a second time to increase the radius of the bend to provide sufficient offset to the outside. Inside seems harder but maybe not. I've not tried.

Thanks great guide - I acquired a load of workshop tools including a lathe from an old school engineer a few years back and he had made a load of trays like this - I had wondered how he'd managed to get the edges so crisp - seems he used a similar technique though probably without the jig or a circular saw 🤔

You are astoundingly clever, sir. I love your videos.

I've done this with 1/4" plate steel before but welded it afterwards to put the strength back as this weakens the corners considerably, for your purpose it will still be as strong as needed though.

That's really great and gave me an idea for the mailbox I am planning to build.

Hi Neil. To help on the sheet metal moving, countersink and glue in neodymium disc magnets. Cheers.

Cool Tool... your high speed sections reminds my of the old Benny Hill show.

A good use for those is to cover a gas cooktop when not in use. Make it to exact fit with holes on each side for handles and vent. It’s handy to use as extra counter space, hide the dirty top when company comes over, and to keep the dog from jumping up there and accidentally turning a burner on.

Such nice project, awesome work sir!

Awesome video. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge On. Fab On. Weld On. Keep making. God bless.

Great project Neil! Thanks for sharing. I really like the jig you made. May I suggest adding another stop screw closer to you for the smaller boxes, so you don't have to lean across as far to make your cuts. It can be recessed for the bigger pieces. Cheers

@NigelTolley

Жыл бұрын

If he just clamps the jig down, he'll be fine!

Great ideas and nice job!

These would make great drawers too. Well done, sir.

Good stuff Pask. Wishing you and yours a great 2023. Darlington, South Carolina USA

Love to see that organiser you mention at the end Pask !

Very good idea. Nice work. Handy trays and or boxes. Thanks for sharing. Take care, Ed