How To Improve your Violin Posture! | Learn with Me

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Пікірлер: 344

  • @SuminaStuder1
    @SuminaStuder14 жыл бұрын

    Who else is on Team Flamingo-Neck 🙋🏻‍♀️

  • @singlesetpiano571

    @singlesetpiano571

    4 жыл бұрын

    We support you, Sumina!

  • @jeninahuang2929

    @jeninahuang2929

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sumina Studer Violinist Aaa me XD You are very inspiring, keep it up!

  • @dehanbadenhorst1398

    @dehanbadenhorst1398

    4 жыл бұрын

    My neck is too short to even use a chin rest 😂

  • @lindsaysreina6611

    @lindsaysreina6611

    4 жыл бұрын

    HEREE

  • @Octotype

    @Octotype

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yea I have a pretty long neck too, but I haven't really looked around for the best setup (chin & shoulder rest), and my posture suffers a bit from it (I lift my shoulder). A question, how do I know if I should prioritize my shoulder rest or my chin rest in order to fix the height issue my shoulders have been compensating for?

  • @angels5449
    @angels54494 жыл бұрын

    "Sometimes we practice 40 hrs a day" ah, yes, you got me there ;)

  • @angels5449

    @angels5449

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Alonzo Prez de Guzmán. it was bass not guitar lol

  • @streetjustice4287

    @streetjustice4287

    3 жыл бұрын

    "Ling ling can play paganini cap 5 with oonnneee hand, why you no ling ling yet?"

  • @Qo0_0

    @Qo0_0

    3 жыл бұрын

    Summon

  • @Hawijack

    @Hawijack

    17 күн бұрын

    Caught my attention 😂

  • @brent3542
    @brent35424 жыл бұрын

    as a physical therapy student, I agree!

  • @SuminaStuder1

    @SuminaStuder1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Phew! Passed the test 😅

  • @brent3542

    @brent3542

    4 жыл бұрын

    hahaha! great vid, Sumina!

  • @ladelcolectivo

    @ladelcolectivo

    3 жыл бұрын

    Scoliosis, lordosis, cifosis, being on a normal position is straight pain. I will end up looking like ida Haendel at 80 but I'm 42, and I don't even get closer to her playing!. Any suggestions?

  • @eechu2199
    @eechu21993 жыл бұрын

    I can imagine so easily TwoSet blushing hearing Sumina making a reference to them

  • @randomcubing7106

    @randomcubing7106

    2 жыл бұрын

    Underrated comment

  • @luca-yf5qm
    @luca-yf5qm4 жыл бұрын

    „...because sometimes we practice 40 hours a day“ hahah love it 😂

  • @owdy3973
    @owdy39733 жыл бұрын

    "If you feel pain of any sort it's your body's way of telling you that something is not quite right" My body when I play: *DIS AIN'T RIGHT*

  • @stidinadia1369
    @stidinadia13694 жыл бұрын

    Sumina is ling ling! She studies 40 hours 👌

  • @gabrielhenriquefc1013

    @gabrielhenriquefc1013

    4 жыл бұрын

    😂😂

  • @singlesetpiano571

    @singlesetpiano571

    4 жыл бұрын

    😀👌

  • @angels5449

    @angels5449

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ling Ling 40 hrs :D

  • @evgenysemenov6051

    @evgenysemenov6051

    3 жыл бұрын

    From “Drawn together”

  • @onlyviolin8264

    @onlyviolin8264

    3 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely!!! 😍

  • @A-Minor-Music
    @A-Minor-Music4 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad you advocate for shoulder rests! Some folks are against them entirely, but I think it's a matter of personal choice/individual anatomy. I experimented for years & discovered mine was actually too high, a lower one was more comfortable. But without one I have too much tension in shoulder, neck & jaw.

  • @MiserableLittleDoomGoblin
    @MiserableLittleDoomGoblin3 жыл бұрын

    This was very helpful. I'd love to see you do a follow-up video on breathing while playing. I have a tendency to hold my breath, and it's often hard to figure out how to match up inhaling/exhaling with things like Wohlfahrt's Etudes or Schradieck's left hand exercises. 🙂

  • @sunflowerlemon._
    @sunflowerlemon._4 жыл бұрын

    Never touched a violin so why do I keep watching channels like hers and twoset :P

  • @mikevicsmff9946

    @mikevicsmff9946

    4 жыл бұрын

    Because music brings us together

  • @darkacademiadiaries

    @darkacademiadiaries

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think the universe is sending you signs that you have to start playing 😂

  • @sunflowerlemon._

    @sunflowerlemon._

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@darkacademiadiaries I really want to, but I'm 19 and I feel like it's too late to start

  • @mikevicsmff9946

    @mikevicsmff9946

    3 жыл бұрын

    Aadil Jismy no, you’re never too late to start!

  • @sunflowerlemon._

    @sunflowerlemon._

    3 жыл бұрын

    MikeVics MFF if I do start I’ll let you know how it goes! You guys are really nice

  • @gadielburman2328
    @gadielburman23283 жыл бұрын

    I really wanna see a Sumina Studer Violinist and TwoSet collab!!! @TwoSetViolin please make this happen!!!😁

  • @alirashidi9630
    @alirashidi96304 жыл бұрын

    Why do I see a fraction of twoset ?community everywhere

  • @goolgmorelikesmoolge9038

    @goolgmorelikesmoolge9038

    3 жыл бұрын

    Because...we are everywhere...

  • @paulinekuzina7187

    @paulinekuzina7187

    3 жыл бұрын

    You bet!

  • @taisaokho2438

    @taisaokho2438

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@paulinekuzina7187 you brett..... I'll see myself to the door

  • @jub8891

    @jub8891

    3 жыл бұрын

    we're really just the same person with different accounts

  • @yes1635

    @yes1635

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jub8891 yeah hi me

  • @maheesurya5680
    @maheesurya56804 жыл бұрын

    A much-needed video in these lockdown times! Really appreciate the effort sumina! huge fan

  • @JacquesLuu
    @JacquesLuu4 жыл бұрын

    2:19 she's revealing her true identity: LING LING

  • @SpringHuangMusic
    @SpringHuangMusic4 жыл бұрын

    So glad that you made this video! Thanks so much for those really helpful, realistic tips and information - I can't agree more! ❤️

  • @theDUBMARK
    @theDUBMARK4 жыл бұрын

    So glad you came back to KZread. I am a cellist, and I am in total agreement with your points in this video!

  • @M.Smith1
    @M.Smith13 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, Sumina Studer, for sharing your valuable knowledge of the violin! Your time is greatly appreciated!

  • @omniqwerty4175
    @omniqwerty41754 жыл бұрын

    This is soo in time because my teacher is currently trying to fix my posture

  • @lovebeast6653
    @lovebeast6653 Жыл бұрын

    This is so important. Nobody ever talks of this in this very helpful way. Thank you.

  • @henrypark4356
    @henrypark4356 Жыл бұрын

    Yesss!!!! I used to have problems with a straight spine when I was younger because I would sit while practicing, barely motivated to play. Nowadays, I stand when I play and make sure to keep my back straight - it's a little adjustment that made a huge difference. Btw I love the shoulder rest tips! Especially when using a rental from my conservatory, I would move my violin around (even when playing!) to try to find a comfortable position. 5:39 is JUST GOLD THANK YOU!!!!

  • @sauerkirschkompott
    @sauerkirschkompott3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, I actually never really thought about it but I am always adjusting my body to my surroundings... I am so excited to try out to improve my posture while playing and see the changes!

  • @adrianderroni4043
    @adrianderroni40434 жыл бұрын

    Thanks this helped a lot as a Beginner violinist, adjusting the posture made the vibrato and the fingering soo much easier!

  • @maliakirk4877
    @maliakirk48773 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for making this video Sumina!! I've been struggling with my posture for a long time, and I also have a very long neck. I'll try out some of your tips! :)

  • @littlefishy5681
    @littlefishy56814 жыл бұрын

    This video was really helpful! Thank you so much! And by the way, congratulations on 100K!!!!😃

  • @Mal-sg2du
    @Mal-sg2du4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, Sumina! This is very helpful.

  • @ruchiraja993
    @ruchiraja9934 жыл бұрын

    I love your videos. Thank you for doing them. Your posture playing personality is amazing. 😗

  • @kauru3844
    @kauru38442 жыл бұрын

    Thank you SO Much for introducing me to the extralong shoulder rest legs!! I didn't realize it but I guess I do have a long neck, and my shoulder rest has been uncomfortable since I started playing. I purchased these and now WOW, what a difference! So thanks for that. :-)

  • @explorewithCK
    @explorewithCK4 жыл бұрын

    Super helpful learnwithme video Sumina. Thank you! 😊

  • @nicolasmarquesruiz7556
    @nicolasmarquesruiz75564 жыл бұрын

    Loved the video. Thanks, Sumina!

  • @ponta1911
    @ponta19114 жыл бұрын

    This video is really helpful! I had my back hurt and feel pain when I play violin. Probably It's because of unnatural posture. You look very relaxed and have beautiful posture when you play violin.

  • @manishsigdel824
    @manishsigdel8244 жыл бұрын

    She had me at 40 hours XD

  • @JuliaJacobsen
    @JuliaJacobsen4 жыл бұрын

    Love this video Sumina! I didn’t realize that my music stand is probably still too low. I’ve also found that some things I do with my body outside of violin can affect how much pain or discomfort I feel while I’m playing. For example, the way I sit in bed or large chairs can make playing scales painful so I need to be more mindful of my posture outside of violin.

  • @mariolastepaniuk4957
    @mariolastepaniuk49573 жыл бұрын

    Very informative video, thank you Sumina! 👍🙌

  • @melizmatea
    @melizmateaАй бұрын

    Thank you so much! I just started classes - I've had four!- and I have issues with my shoulder rest fitting (I ordered a different one so hopefully that will help) and the chin rest is a bit weird for me too. I noticed today I was practically contorting my head and neck and this video is eye-opening!! Thank you!!!

  • @thusharaaluthge6129
    @thusharaaluthge6129 Жыл бұрын

    Wonderful teacher .....❤

  • @mxxlb8220
    @mxxlb82204 жыл бұрын

    This is just what I needed! Thank u sm 💕

  • @adahkaplan8494
    @adahkaplan84944 жыл бұрын

    I just learned that my scoliosis brace is what has been causing my out-of-brace posture (violin playing posture) to be tense...so I’ve been working a lot on my playing posture. This is super helpful - thank you!

  • @erzas556
    @erzas556 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much!

  • @StarShippCaptain
    @StarShippCaptain3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent Instruction and Help! Well Done!

  • @mohitparashar9122
    @mohitparashar91227 ай бұрын

    This is helping me alot . Thank you so much ❤❤

  • @elizabethcheng8212
    @elizabethcheng82124 жыл бұрын

    This video was so helpful as I’ve been dealing with shoulder and tense muscle pains. I’ll be watching this video many times haha

  • @tomazviolin
    @tomazviolin3 жыл бұрын

    Hi. Very helpful tips about a "good use of the self". This has a lot to do with longevity in violin playing. Bravo!

  • @ninabucknor322
    @ninabucknor3223 жыл бұрын

    One tip idea that seemed to have helped me along the right track: raising your chin rest with cork pieces

  • @retster9871
    @retster98714 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the advice! A lot of these are even applicable to non-musicians.

  • @gladeszanina467
    @gladeszanina4672 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, for these precious tips

  • @dreamcatcher9360
    @dreamcatcher936010 ай бұрын

    Wow, you are just absolutely amazing at playing the violin!!

  • @beastviolin
    @beastviolin3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so so much for the video! Postures are always overlooked

  • @samuelbatista2004
    @samuelbatista20044 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video helped me a lot.

  • @pavlovajack3561
    @pavlovajack35613 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this!

  • @JosephMusgrove
    @JosephMusgrove2 жыл бұрын

    I’m 6’2 and have my stand adjusted to maximum height. But when watching your video, it hit me that I am still looking down. So will try the chair trick to increase the height. Proud flamingo neck member! I play without a shoulder rest but use a Kreddle height adjustable chin rest and love it! Some things I would add in regards to health. 1. Recognize playing is a physical act. So stretch and loosen up your body before, during, and after practice. 2. Get yourself a “good” gel pad to stand on when practicing. 3. Take breaks. 4. Exercise and stay in shape.

  • @kathyknuteson2838
    @kathyknuteson2838 Жыл бұрын

    What great tips! I wish i knew these back when I was a music major in the late 70s. I ended up dropping out but part of the reason was shoulder pain and that horrible violin "hickey" that was always hurting! Starting to play again and I'm using these tips including trying a new shoulder rest. Might get a new chin rest too.

  • @viviennelin1901
    @viviennelin19013 жыл бұрын

    thank u sumina!!! that was super helpful :))

  • @thusharaaluthge6129
    @thusharaaluthge6129 Жыл бұрын

    Very helpful lessons ... thank you 🙏

  • @aleraler2677
    @aleraler26774 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing with us U r the best 👏

  • @Zxouf873
    @Zxouf8733 жыл бұрын

    It's like you knew what i need then made this video thank you ☺️😊

  • @phemy5904
    @phemy59042 жыл бұрын

    I have a really hard back pain while I play the violin so this helped me a lot!

  • @shupesmerga4694
    @shupesmerga46943 жыл бұрын

    I tense up and raise my left shoulder when approaching a challenging passage, as a solution, i remind myself on the paper to inhale/exhale a bar before the passage and if possible, to inhale/exhale on every 1st beat of the measure.

  • @laikeatlim8261
    @laikeatlim82613 жыл бұрын

    Violinist and teacher par excellence.

  • @alexejvelitchkov1307
    @alexejvelitchkov13073 жыл бұрын

    I love the little jumps she does while playing

  • @doktorbeyza
    @doktorbeyza4 жыл бұрын

    I didn't realized how much it is important to feel relaxed while playing until I try to feel more relaxed and it worked. It also stopped my back hurting.

  • @mahzadi3940
    @mahzadi39402 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so good🙏🌹🌹

  • @fsuberca
    @fsuberca3 жыл бұрын

    Can I just thank you on the obvious (yet no too obvious for me) tip about setting music stand up to your eye level.... Omg what a difference, just finished practicing and was fun, painless and way more productive. Thanks sumina

  • @KP-jt9py
    @KP-jt9py3 жыл бұрын

    When I studied acting at the American Conservatory Theater in San Francisco, we studied Alexander Technique as well. Interesting to hear that this is also a practice that professional musicians (or “soon to be” professional musicians) use.

  • @jnjnknpn
    @jnjnknpn4 жыл бұрын

    The editing 🙌👏

  • @clodu2008
    @clodu200810 ай бұрын

    Thank you for these tips. As a guy that learned violin alone from youtube, these tips are gold for me. And i feel you about Flamingo-neck :)), having same problem.

  • @valeryfoyniak4934
    @valeryfoyniak49343 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @junacebedo888
    @junacebedo8883 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. This is very good even if I don't play the violin. I was in a choir and I know how important symmetry is on high your chin is depending on your vocal technique

  • @Faithhg310
    @Faithhg3105 ай бұрын

    I think I will go back to using a shoulder rest. I too have a long neck and I find I am straining and hunching too much. Thank you for your tips!

  • @rudylopez692
    @rudylopez6922 жыл бұрын

    Great job on the posture. Thank you for the information, especially since I am new and I didn’t know about the longer should rest legs. Maybe you can do a video on left hand positions. I always seem to get this wrong. My teacher says being tense is important also but I find it hard to mimic what she is teaching me if I am not here. I wondered about music stand height also, now I know. Your awesome.

  • @user-vt5bb8xx4g
    @user-vt5bb8xx4g3 жыл бұрын

    Большое спасибо за видео !!!!!

  • @cameronburnett9679
    @cameronburnett96793 жыл бұрын

    I don't play the violin but I've noticed that people who are relaxed tend to rotate their arm from the center of the chest rather than from the shoulder. I learnt this in a particular martial art where every movement actually started by a very small rotation at this point, while the body remains completely relaxed and free of tension. It looks exactly the same as high level violin playing. The main point was to allow the spine to lengthen without doing so using tension. It's really difficult to have bad posture with an elongated spine. Like with the shoulders, if you hunch over you can curl your shoulders forward but try to do the same with an elongated spine. They just sit more or less in place. So you allow the spine to lengthen, which gives a structure for your body to relax around, and then just rotate from the center. Simple but not easy :).

  • 3 жыл бұрын

    Loved loved this video!! Greetings from Honduras :)

  • @sophister
    @sophister2 жыл бұрын

    You are amazing! I actually had Alexandertechnique lessons in university, I live in Berlin and play the violin

  • @themusiccovenant
    @themusiccovenant3 жыл бұрын

    Amazing

  • @jutrigueiro
    @jutrigueiro3 жыл бұрын

    Your instructions are easy to understand and you very beautiful :)

  • @joaquimsantiagosantiago8191
    @joaquimsantiagosantiago81912 жыл бұрын

    Muito obrigado por compartilhar conosco

  • @tobiaslagerberg8962
    @tobiaslagerberg89623 жыл бұрын

    Good job!

  • @kerimmetin913
    @kerimmetin9134 жыл бұрын

    That video made me realise about my posture... I am always so tense I am thankful for this video Practice 40 hours a day :D

  • @grapesofwrath361
    @grapesofwrath3614 жыл бұрын

    The kreddle chin rest can also be good for your posture because it is incredibly versatile and adjustable with every axis. And also check out the Dounis method.

  • @michaelbonesmusic
    @michaelbonesmusic5 ай бұрын

    yes, relaxation is key and not just more practice but thinking about what can be improved and repeating difficult parts until there is no more tension in the body, hand, fingers etc great video, everyone is different and it isn't a big deal to get a different shoulder rest or chinrest. I personally prefer chinrests that cover the base of the tail-piece as sometimes without I can bend the tone with my chin by mistake! Be aware of your body and address any aches or pains as potential posture issues, the more relaxed the more easily the violin can vibrate - do not squeeze or tense as you can end up clamping or dampening your sound by mistake :)

  • @interculturalcommunication8481
    @interculturalcommunication84813 жыл бұрын

    Hello Sumina, this is so helpful! I got my daughter a new chin rest which immediately helped correct her violin hold. Do you think you can be so kind to make a video on how to practice vibrato and switching positions? 😁🙏💖

  • @Leviolin
    @Leviolin3 жыл бұрын

    You are so beautiful and good in violin! Thanks you for your advices! 🙏

  • @francescozingarello204
    @francescozingarello2043 жыл бұрын

    great video! :-) well done! Greetings from Zurich. I hope I can listen to a concert of yours here in Switzerland any soon! :D keep up the great videos.

  • @ab6ie
    @ab6ie3 жыл бұрын

    i participated in a couple classes on alexander technique during a music summer program!

  • @pedroreyes4670
    @pedroreyes46703 жыл бұрын

    Positional pain was the reason I had to give up :( Had some injuries before starting, and it got really bad. Take care!

  • @andyihli
    @andyihli3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the tips, Sumina Ling-Ling!!

  • @allenpungan2979
    @allenpungan29794 жыл бұрын

    Thanks sumina

  • @mtraube
    @mtraube3 жыл бұрын

    Dear Sumina, I have a question for you : when you were a kid, between 8 and 12, how often would you see your teacher every week? (Teacher asking here!)

  • @jessicawang6558
    @jessicawang65584 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your video. I’m a beginner violinist and I’ve been having intense shoulder/back pain when I’m playing the violin. I’m trying to work with my teacher to work on the pain : (

  • @peterjohnporrata4866
    @peterjohnporrata48662 жыл бұрын

    I just love your explanation and every subject you covered, keep it up, I am definitely one of your followers. Where do you teach?

  • @traumwandler8891
    @traumwandler88913 жыл бұрын

    I miss the mention of playing violin without a shoulder rest. Surpisingly this was the solution for me and it even fixed (by 2 days practising) the 30 year old permanent tension I got through violin playing (with shoulder rest) in childhood. I guess the 8 years playing during childhood made a bad muscle programming and as soon as I played the violin without shoulder rest the muscels got rid of the programming and could reset into healthy muscel tone.

  • @alexandremazarin_vlngtr
    @alexandremazarin_vlngtr3 жыл бұрын

    My favorite shoulder rest is... my own shoulders... my violin sound have changed and no more pain... as like you said... each one has a particularity.

  • @innah1420
    @innah14204 жыл бұрын

    i just started learning to play violin and i find this video really helpful, thank you sumina! 💛

  • @garlicpepper1334

    @garlicpepper1334

    4 жыл бұрын

    Welcom to adult-beginner gang!

  • @gokkuXD
    @gokkuXD3 жыл бұрын

    I need this. Thanks. Firstimer subscriber. 😁

  • @natashaevetan
    @natashaevetan4 жыл бұрын

    omg sumina is a lingling she practices 40 hours a day 😲

  • @AhsanU
    @AhsanU3 жыл бұрын

    I must say, as someone that's interested in linguistics, your accent is rather interesting. I hear subtle hints of German influenced speech patterns mixed with American English, very cool!

  • @kamikan22
    @kamikan22 Жыл бұрын

    6:00 for anyone reading, the key here is doing this with no violin, twist your hand a little more as the playing position and move your arm back and forward, if you feel tension in your biceps or anywhere on the arm, you have a bad position for your body. Move your arm/shoulder blades around until you can go (with no violin) from 1st position to your shoulder with no tension, then visualize that "line" that your arm do, aline the fingerboard to that line and now you can be relaxed with no shadow tension on your arm 🥲

  • @johndavesibayan7663
    @johndavesibayan76634 жыл бұрын

    I made sure I just heard 40h!!! HAHAHA TwoSet!

  • @pratikstudio
    @pratikstudio3 жыл бұрын

    🔥🎶 Youre Amazing 🎶🔥 Thank you, Im a pianist, learning violin from you / youtube 😅

  • @intannisita1065
    @intannisita10653 жыл бұрын

    Hi i'm intan nisita i'm violinst too! Since 2nd Senior High School I love violinst because i play Violinst This Time😘🤗

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