Who is going to call here and who is going to fold?

@acidhauss7018

3 жыл бұрын

Taking into account the hand the caller described getting 3:1 (I can't really remember the exact odds) and Vs a rando I would call but not be particularly happy about it, that's me though - as you say in multiple videos you see a lot of wacky stuff and the odds are good enough to me

@Distinctivity

3 жыл бұрын

IMO it's a straight forward fold. Let's think for a moment, OTF his natural bluffs will be 54s and that's basically it (I wouldn't give most players credit for x/r KJ bdfd etc. Which blocks top pair combos) also caller mentioned V was aggro. Aggro players don't click it back with bluffs and it makes (not GTO) sense for him to raise small because he wants us to continue on this very dry flop which is already so underbluffed. Straddle has Q6s 66, 33 in his value range. After we call two streets and he jams on a card that would pair his bluffs were hoping he's spaz bluffing with non sense holdings. What hands raise flop and triple off? IMO straddle has 66/33 all day. Id probably even fold QTs because flop x/r followed by triple off screams set. We can also have QQ (not 3beting flop) and flop floats that binked BDF (AKcc, KJcc) we are high up in our range but it's not so important at these games I don't think. Main read that makes it easy fold is small x/r by aggro player screams strength

@fastfunpokerjamie124

3 жыл бұрын

Old school thinking... but Q63 rainbow plus a check raise is gonna be a lot of sets. 2ps are unlikely and 54 is pretty unlikely as well.

@zainsyed9811

3 жыл бұрын

Great analysis cheers Bart. Fold from me. On the river I can't think of a bluff that he has that hasn't completed or has showdown value so it's a fold. Most possible draw 54 has showdown, other possible (although less likely drawing hands which pick up flush draw on turn) 7c4c, 4c2c have now got there on the river. Values hands are 66, 33 and maybe the crazy min raise with QhTh on flop which picks on 2 pair on turn. So basically by the river there are no bluffs left but only value hands. So hating it but its a fold.

@compteofficiel4112

3 жыл бұрын

i'd probably have to call because of what he said went down just a few hands before...

The villain was described as “good” and was bluffed recently by hero. He could easily determine that Hero showed the bluff as a ploy to make him tilt. So, he will get the maximum for his set if played as a bluff, feeding into his opponents false perception.

@effortlessawareness8778

3 жыл бұрын

*Nailed it*

If I’m getting raised top pair with an over on this flop, I’m calling with the idea that he could have a worse queen or he flopped a set. Once he leads out for $79 into $137 on the turn, I’m much more inclined to believe he has a set or potentially Q10 (could still call). Once he jams on the river, I’m auto-folding top pair.

Just got back into playing poker after 10 years. Watching these videos make my view on the game prehistoric

@phil3038

2 жыл бұрын

If your playing low stakes the Prehistoric method still works very well 👍 🙂

Hey what’s up, I’ve been subbed for a while and very impressed with not only the quality of assessments and insight but the amount of work! Thanks a bunch Bart I’ve learned a lot and I appreciate it!

Great vid. In my experience a min raise on a dry flop is a set 80-90% of the time.

@defaultuser1

3 жыл бұрын

I am inclined to believe this. Even good players at low stakes love to min raise sets.

@bestbotreview

3 жыл бұрын

Raise/like this more so we can get away with cheaper bluffs

@lozgod

3 жыл бұрын

Depends. Sometimes whales do a funky random min raise with air thinking your AK missed. They always think you raised with AK. Like Bart said. The turn bet tells the real story.

@TheTheagent07

3 жыл бұрын

@@lozgod i agree im folding on the turn

@williamzagarella8066

3 жыл бұрын

In my experience 100% of the time it's either a set or 2 pair. Literally have never seen anything else at the 1-3 I play at

Bart’s insight into this wonderful game is incredibly insightful:)

Folding river. The villain reraised flop, bet turn for 1/2 pot and jammed river. That screams he flopped 2 pair or set. Sure he could be "getting revenge" at the hero for hero's previous bluff, but at these stakes is much more likely he's ahead. Also, I find the flop check min reraise at these limits usually represents a monster.

@CanadianLoveKnot

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. Min check raise means he wants action.

@jcw8955

3 жыл бұрын

villain didn’t reraise flop

@karigleicher4493

3 жыл бұрын

​@@jcw8955 right, I meant check min raised on flop. villain checked, hero bet $20, villain raised to $45. A raise like that has no fold equity or protection value. Villain may as well hold up a sign that says "don't fold, please call me". Most times I see this at 1-2 or 2-5 it's usually someone who flops boat, or on relatively a dry board like this one, a set.

Another great hand analysis Bart, Thank you. Soon, I'm going to have to purchase some courses/training! I just wanted to add that even though at this level, players aren't typically thinking about back doors and not doing much hand reading and mostly focusing on their hand strength, I think with a player like me, disregarding picking up a club draw on the turn could be a mistake. Having said all that, I put the villain on a set of 66's or 33's or potentially A3 or A6 of clubs as well. That's a stretch at this level I get it as that play is more indicative of a 2/5, 5/10 or beyond, but once the Hero explained the villain was very aggressive, then A3 or A6 of clubs is more likely or even A8, A9 or AJ of clubs (these are less likely compared to A3 or A6 of clubs I know), in addition to the sets right and a potential over pair as you mentioned? I think I typically fold here, unless I truly agree with the Hero, that the villain is aggressive and I've seen him bluff more than a few times.

This more interactive format is your best work yet Bart. Ask more questions!

Best analysis I have seen in a long time

They key aspect of the hand is the MIN raise on the flop. Those who decide to make a play at you will raise big.

Cheers bart great content

@compteofficiel4112

3 жыл бұрын

yeah it is

Great video. Only thing I think was kinda wrong was this last thinking with the showdown value of 45 on river that may become a good check. I agree ip gets into river at least with KJss and KJhh. AK and AJ gets a bit awkward because the sizing on turn but maybe they can call as well. The problem with checking 45 because of that reason is that ip is not gonna check those hands back on river and you can't check/call the river with only a 5 so I'd always jam my 45 on river (not that I would ever get there with that) and sometimes I make them fold a hand that is worse then mine but would've bluffed me off my hand. So my point is that the slight sdv it has wouldn't realize here.

Hey Bart! Love the content, have been helping me tremendously! I was just wondering if you still keep in touch with Dave Tuchman? You guys were great!

@CrushlivePoker

3 жыл бұрын

Yes of course! He's one of my best friends. Bart

Bart- Any merit to potentially folding the turn to ? a 75% pot bet (sizing wise)? I realize we call the turn to play "5th street chicken" and folding the river to me seems automatic against all but the wildest players, but I wonder if the large sizing on the turn could trigger us to fold this early given the board is so static and the only draw is 54?

@pot_kivach160

2 жыл бұрын

Turn is an easy fold. The call does not justify potential improvement on river. If youre against a set, then you’re already drawing dead.

Im not putting the t having shpw down value other than a bluff catcher on the straight?

Showed him the bluff. For your ego. Now you know he will try to get revenge, which just makes your decision making process more difficult. Leave your ego at home.

At the lower stakes. Small check raises on flops are really strong. Usually minimum 2 pair or better.

I think this is a spot that could be villain dependent. In a vacuum, board texture is what would lean me towards a fold though. There's so few possible bluffs on this board. If you're calling down in this spot then you're pretty much putting villain on a complete air-ball bluff or 54. Sounds like the caller leveled himself in to a call because of the previous bluff he showed.

Villains small raise on the flop was a very critical information. He was trying to build the pot for the river jam without scaring you away. I think villain played the hand to perfection. Plus he knew you had a Q and he was betting his set to play for the entire stack

Villain min raised on the flop, followed by a large raise on the turn, then a shove on the river. At these stakes a raise on the turn usually indicates they have a very strong hand, and a river raise is quite often/usually the nuts, especially when they shove. With only a pair, I would probably have just folded this one without giving it much thought.

I answered all your questions in a second 😄 Weird that they didn’t answer in chat! AK AJ and even KJ

i put him on 66 :D (because the small check raise - raise you but give you good odds at the same time)

Also I understand your thought process on AK/AJ on the flop, but ONLY AKcc and AJcc/KJcc would call 75% pot size on the turn. So as someone holding 54, I don't think that is enough hands to not turn your hand into a bluff on the river.

Always folding here and most likely folding the turn bet and not even letting it get to the river. There really is no rational way to make this call and it sounds like caller read too much into his recent bluff as he was probably riding that successful triple barrel high. He mentioned that it happened just two hands ago and probably was overconfident against this player in the short term. What bluffs are there that you beat? 4-5 suited and that's about it, maybe MAYBE pocket jacks. There were no flush draws that missed and in fact a back door flush got there which you completely unblock. He check raised the flop so what is there on the board that he would have strength or a draw. The only value owning hands are QJ, Q10 and Q10 gets there on the turn. I doubt Q9 check raises. So you are getting in for stacks praying he has QJ, JJ or 45 suited. Meanwhile he has all back door clubs, pocket 10's, I guess QQ, KK, AA although unlikely since you blocked some of that heavily. Most importantly he has the baby pair sets. Completing a raise in the straddle and CR'ing that dry flop just seems like a made set all day. I know it is easy for me to say in the comments and to be honest we all have paid off villains who overcalled small pocket pairs that make a set. Most reliable way to get paid but still that river call should not have been made.

i hope i get to play w / against you at TCH one day

11:57 The board didn’t pair but thanks for the analysis of what to think if it did.

This the same Tyler Hero that plays for the Heat? Damnnnn Bart, why didn't you disclose that?

If you think about the check raise on the flop...if it was 2 pair it would have likely been a larger bet...otherwise the set with a min. raise on the flop is typical of those types of level players. Warning flags/bells would have been going off on a flop like that with a min. check raise like that. Then follow-up bet at 2x on the turn...I couldn't have folded fast enough. Only other thing that would have been remotely made sense on the river, would have been if he had a gut shot and suited clubs (4,7 or 4, 2), but that's really reaching with how that hand played out.

Almost nobody check raises the flop light I've seen. I will do it in these online games now sometimes. I had a very similar hand to this with AK the other day flopped a King. Called flop check raise, called down a non coordinated board, and lost to a small set. All my reads were good for awhile now they are all bad it seems like. lol thats online poker.

At this level, I'm for sure folding. A check raise on the flop is 2 pair or a set most of the time. The turn bet makes it 100% fold.

This video was 10 minutes longer than it needed to be. That $79 turn bet basically broadcasted a set of 6s or 3s.

This man knows his shit

fold because of the villain's play on the flop. A flop min raise is, in my opinion, the strongest play i see in low stakes games. The villain wants to get called with 2 streets still to come. From that play, I put him on 2 pair or a set, and probably fold turn.

I don’t think the 5 has any showdown value the way this hand was played

Hero levelled himself because he showed his bluff to villain in a prior hand- he assumed villain was coming after him and so was more inclined to call. Don’t show your bluffs especially if your susceptible to distort your assumptions about a villain thinking he is coming after you.

@itzmeAG

3 жыл бұрын

Good point

I clicked on this vid after reading title, have watched several crushlive vids, expecting to learn how to read hands. Not saying that this isn’t teaching that, but I don’t think I came away with tons of extra knowledge. I feel like I came away with a little but I find some parts hard to follow. Anybody have some advice on some other, maybe more introductory, knowledge? Or should I just stop playing poker?

@pot_kivach160

2 жыл бұрын

You’re right: there was nothing to learn about reading here. Keep playin’.

Wow 😳 see I would call and lose 666

Re raise him on the flop, and put no more money in the pot after that?

Don't you think calling 100BB off on river with only one pair is a little reckless?

@pot_kivach160

2 жыл бұрын

No. Not “little”. 😹

Villain didn’t re-raise the flop. js

@pokerqAK47

3 жыл бұрын

jc jones he RAISED. Not reraised

First hand Im thinking when he XR flop is A3cc. GTO style XR bot pair + bd nut flush draw. Still listening though, I dont know how it ends. Im folding it. P..S Why would he raise 54. If you have such a good draw would you want to get 3b? As far as I understand it, you need bad pot odds to XR and getting 3b to be alright so you can fold. If you are chasing it and have good implied odds why force it? If he is a decent villain he is polar and he calls oesd, tptk, mid pair and pp below QQ so the ones left are backdoors and sets. On this runout you lose to both.

@compteofficiel4112

3 жыл бұрын

i can see why he might raise a flopped OESD to a smallish c-bet like that but min-raising is pretty stupid...gotta bomb it and hope for the fold...and if you structure your sizing right, you might be able to profitably call a 3-bet shove with your 36% equity. i think raising to about 90-100 would be good

@antoancho

3 жыл бұрын

@@compteofficiel4112 Cousin Jimmy is right. Although there is some degree of truth about making it $100 in respect to exploitative XR because hero makes something I never do and that is merge betting Q high because board is dry. Im always polar on Q high because I dont have as much range advantage as A high or K high which makes it susceptible to XR and when he makes it a $100 he needs you to fold 60% of the time and with this sizing you are cbetting too much air hoping for folds on dry board. Thats why first thought was BP+BDNFD. And if you do that it better not be 20 in 47 which is 42% but 25-30ish% cause when u get called and have air u lose money and when you dont go polar and have value like KQ you are not printing enough. If hero bets 30-35 and gets XR on a dry board I think it is a different story. Im also checking KQ on Q high because when polar KQ is not a bet. The only Qxx that is bet is usually Q82-Q84 because V has more probable draws (namely gutshots that call flop) and you tax him. On Q63 he has nothing so often that you can delay cbet because you are most likely getting only 2 streets of value and you can easily call two streets also. Nevertheless 54s is a bad raise which of course does not mean that people dont do it and you have to factor it and overcall.

@compteofficiel4112

3 жыл бұрын

@Cousin Jimmy Farha ummm...i vary my bet sizing depending on the situation at the table..period. i don't subscribe to doing anything 100% of the time like Bart often does... of course there are times a min-raise makes sense, even as a bluff, but that doesn't mean i'd do it very often or "with my whole range" or whatever else. you have to consider all of the MANY variables...this is no-limit.

@compteofficiel4112

3 жыл бұрын

@@antoancho if you are checking KQ (as the preflop raiser i mean) on Q63 you are losing value i think. people (especially these days...) are calling a lot of c-bets with whatever. if villain has 77-JJ he is usually calling one street at least. villain could have a worse queen too, or overs+back door something... i think you might as well get while the getting is good.

Smelled like 66 or at worse, Q6 of spades.

I enjoy your videos. The problem I have is you already know how the hand plays out so in retrospect it's not hard to say look at this or that. I would rather you talk it out without knowing the runout.

People that calls here shouldn’t be playing the game they are not qualified to play on the level that they’re playing at and also the guy that’s answering the questions at Keats he tried don’t even know and most of the time not sure no offense but it’s a comment that’s all

Showing a bluff earlier in the game came against your own thinking.

I knew he had 66s the whole way....lol

@dylanhatch3951

3 жыл бұрын

💀

@JMacSD

3 жыл бұрын

Canadian voodoo?

@compteofficiel4112

3 жыл бұрын

66 or 33 make the most sense, or slow-played AA/KK maybe once in a while.

@RunescapeD1H

3 жыл бұрын

Even preflop?

But he didn't min raise on a flop

I feel like this fold or call or based on the type of player this guy is ...

On turn: "About 100% of the time, when they check raise flop and then bet the same $ on turn, they are not strong." On River: He had a set of 6s. "Oh, yeah, that doesnt surprise me."

@bangerrr569

3 жыл бұрын

He didn’t bet the same or less amount tho. He raised to 45 on the flop and then bet 79 on turn.

@toddkost

3 жыл бұрын

Bangerrr yeah, he was saying if he bet $45 or less, which he didn't. He was 2 pair or better from the flop 99%.

At no point do I like my hand after I get check raised in a 1/2 game. Im calling flop probably folding turn 70% of the time and unless I can come up with an amazing reason to call river my hand is going in the muck.

Why would a good player raise another good player on a dry flop with a high value hand ? Never folding ... he never has set , never has over pairs ? Welll see idk

If cannot fold one pair then you have no Business playing poker.

No draws on flop. Guy limps early and calls a raise. Isn’t it obvious likely has 66 or 33

@compteofficiel4112

3 жыл бұрын

@Cousin Jimmy Farha he just called the raise pre

Never folding I’ll pay him off after he raises flop

A lot of unnecessary discussion here. The straddle flopped at set. End of story. Is it likely a straddle flops a set? No. But when you have top pair, and there are no over cards on the board, and no back door draw till 5th street, you’re going to lose money.

Why do people show bluffs? It’s never wise.

@pokerqAK47

3 жыл бұрын

Not really. If you have a rep of a nit then blast away and show one time. That will keep them guessing. Plus makes people go on monkey tilt

if you play back on the flop you don't get into this shitty river spot. as played i pay river, 2.5:1?

"And I showed him the bluff." Great if you are going to get the nuts against him. Otherwise, meh

Can't analyze 1-2 NL...it's just gambling

These vids are so slow. Stop repeating the info over and over.

He did not re-raise you... he raised you. That’s like saying raise when you bet. Very novice poker talk.