Always love Paul's attempts at pronunciation!

@Bassotronics

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t blame him. English has no rules.

@ArturdeSousaRocha

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bassotronics Type it into Google Translate, press the speaker icon, out comes the pronunciation. Doesn't work for all languages and sometimes you don't know what language it is anyway but we're talking English here.

This is a great topic that I don’t see covered enough on other channels. How important it is to get the volume right for speakers or headphones. There are probably a bunch of tips like you mentioned here that can help people get to the most pleasing sound for each track. Would love to see people share their thoughts more on these guidelines for speakers and headphones. But you already might have given me the key tips for when it’s too low or too high. Thanks!

Got a buyer for a book here Paul ! Love your videos you have taught me so much over the years. I am forever greatfull ! Exited to give some back by buying your book and gaining more of your knowledge ! Legend

i think that 1000 hz tone was spot on, well done

@stephenmead5488

3 жыл бұрын

The tone he sang was roughly Eb4, about 311Hz. C6 is 1049Hz which is almost 2 octaves above that. One would have to brick that camel to reach that note unless you’re Mariah Carey.

@thepuma2012

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenmead5488 okay haha i was joking about it

@stephenmead5488

3 жыл бұрын

@@thepuma2012 I figured as much. I was hoping Paul McG would self impose a major weggie and shoot for a high note.

Years ago most audio engineers understood the importance of the Fletcher Munson curve and what makes the best audio performance at a given volume setting. Nowadays it’s well understood in car audio engineering and Paul’s Tesla has this as a build-in feature and that’s why people love the sound of it. It’s a bit of a bummer that very few home audio products offer this option. No, I don’t want my volume setting to be fixed as I some times do work, some times read a book, some times have people around me not wanting to be disturbed, some times use music while exercising, some times listen while having dinner and some times love a concert level experience etc. etc...The volume setting can just not be for live sound level very often in my life. For those who have nothing else to do than sitting alone in a dedicated listening room, sorry guys. Am I the only one?

@ewoutbuhler5217

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, you're not. I tend to agree some kind of loudness circuitry can add value. On the other hand, however, if music is a background thing during activities, I often do not mind it being less full and rich in the frequncy curve. And there's such thing as neighboors and housemates, certainly in my home country The Netherlands, where most share at least one or two walls with neighbors. Some even share 4 (living in an appartment building).

@ThinkingBetter

3 жыл бұрын

@@ewoutbuhler5217 The effect of the FM loudness curve is quite huge and for the most enjoyable low volume experience, you really need some compensation. Those who claim to be able to hear the difference between two power cables can not possibly disagree with this point 😊

@graxjpg

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! The EQ in my VSX-D1S gets used very often. One can program up to 15 different settings I think.

@carlosoliveira-rc2xt

3 жыл бұрын

Almost everyone has a powered sub today, some with remotes or apps and many prepros or receivers allow quick adjustments on the fly. Its very easy to just bump up the bass for low volume listening or as desired.

@ThinkingBetter

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt True, your subwoofer volume can somewhat help as a second best solution to having an actual loudness compensation. It’s a bummer this very real issue is so ignored by the industry. Music should be enjoyable not only at some fixed volume setting.

I have bought both your books, 99% true and eat diet. Also got them on audible, which was great as you kept me company, and kept me sane and amused in the car throughout December when my favorite radio stations where sickening the population of N.Ireland with xmas music for life! lol. I have been waiting very impatiently on your next book, any idea of release date yet? Thanks for all these videos, and the books, as they have motivated me to get back into my childhood electronics hobby and yes a bit of weightloss too! Dan.

I love the outro music in your videos.

I love a loudness control! The equalization this function provides cannot be reproduced by tone controls or equalizers or a sub. It has nothing to do with the amount of bass, but the contour it imparts that makes low level listening pleasing.

Very helpful, Paul. Thanks

Title of Paul's fourth book: 'What I went through to get my third book published'. 😆

@carlitomelon4610

3 жыл бұрын

99% truthy😂

@QoraxAudio

3 жыл бұрын

99% KZread channel

Saving up for the book and CD 😉😍😍😍

Well done Paul! We started into audio about the same time with the same influences. As a Rep I gave some clinics and seminars and always had to go over "Loudness". What it was and what that control did. You would hit every point as I was thinking "ya but what about...?". And I love your volume is based on what makes that music sound/ size right! Problem is with my Maggies in a large room I can't afford the power needed for a narrow range of my tastes. :-) But Janis Ian gave me a personal performance last night. The author is just looking for some EQ. Having it change dynamically with the volume control should be available with any good dsp? He just needs to understand that he is simply boosting some frequency areas at lower volumes so it "sounds" better. But can go to a flat response when needed. A side note on my feelings RE: Fletcher-Munson. Koss had not even come up with a good set of headphones yet! :-) Seriously. Electronics and transducers were not that great back then. Headphones of the time? 50cps? How much of the F-M test results were testing hardware? But if you like the results, that's what ultimately matters.

I find volume levels need to be adjusted with different recordings, type of music etc. There is not just one set volume level. It's not a one size fits all.

@ericnortan9012

3 жыл бұрын

Right, I always try and find the level I think each recording would sound if they were live on my soundstage. If that makes sense. I usually mess with the volume every track, most anyway.

@georgeanastasopoulos5865

3 жыл бұрын

Me too, scottyo64. One category of music, song, or tune is very loud, the next is loud enough; it depends on the recorded music as you have explained.

Good response, Paul. I would like to offer a minor correction though. Yes, volume does impact the projected size of an instrument and/or vocalist. But more importantly, it's serious unaddressed distortions combined with volume levels that greatly corrupt the size. When these very serious distortions are addressed and noise floor greatly lowered, the size difference matters far less.

I think Pauls book is like the PS Audio Speakers, Unicorn.

If you don't have a loudness feature try turning off all light in the room - wait 5 minutes - and then listen to the music at low volume - that will enhance the low and high almost like loudness as your hearing sense is sharpened as you visual sense does not distract

@sudd3660

3 жыл бұрын

if you have people living upstairs then thats a free bass boost also hehe.

@rgendrud8695

3 жыл бұрын

would a external dac at the pc give any volume boost?

@ewoutbuhler5217

3 жыл бұрын

@@rgendrud8695 no, why would it? The reason to get external, is to invest in higher quality Digital to Analog conversion. Heving it external automatically meens that you take away some of the interference existing inside the PC enclosure. This and the unmistakeble quality differences among different DAC chipsets gan dramatically improve quality. The only reason why you might perceive a volume increase, is the possibly richer and more balanced frequency curve with a higher end DAC.

@spamsponge

3 жыл бұрын

Visual information plays a big part in the experience for sure. And a dark room is different than closing your eyes in a bright room too.

@2112res

2 жыл бұрын

@@spamsponge I always listen in darkness. Kill all the displays and irritating lighted power buttons. And, squeezing one's eyes closed isn't good.

...well ,..i couldn't find a " Music" tab in your website to by the CD you mentioned here,..what is the correct approach please

The old mid century console stereos, Magnavox, Zenith, GE, etc. of the 1960's and radios before that had the loudness contour built into the volume control to keep the tonal balance at low volumes. Later separate component hifi gave you a loudness button so you could opt out this feature and play flat if you choose to . Fisher, Marantz, McIntosh, Dynaco, for example.

@vaughntonkin539

3 жыл бұрын

I get into those console stereos and rip out that wanky loudness circuitry, for one the midrange honk at 6-7 has been a bane of frustration when the distortion zone is near the end of vol range, 8,9 or wide open, also compact amplifiers like Realistic and Dynavox have full loudness without the off button, I get into them and tear out the loudness, desoldering the caps from the middle tap

Speaker efficiency is very Important to me, that way I can play loud with reasonably priced amps, especially tube amps.

i understand the whole correct level for the piece of music I am listening to. It also at times has to do with the level it was recorded at. some tracks do sound better a little louder then others. I rarely get to the point above 75-80 db where the instruments start to sound too big. Loudness is the cure...I've' worked with DSP and EQ. and again it only sound good within a certain range of maybe 20db or so.

‘gloster’

@jurggreuter3306

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of my English teacher who told us about Leicester...

@ewoutbuhler5217

3 жыл бұрын

As easy the English language can be, those English city and village names crack me up. Often I hear they don't even agree on how to pronounce them amongst each other...

@darkblueturbo

3 жыл бұрын

@@ewoutbuhler5217 yes. Different parts of the country, or even different parts of a city, will have their own way of saying it. 😂

@ewoutbuhler5217

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkblueturbo well, actually that's not totally crazy in my ears. It's funny but we have the same happening here and I guess anywhere. Names of cities and villages are by definition subject to local dialects.

@graxjpg

3 жыл бұрын

@@ewoutbuhler5217 regional dialects are kind of lost on today’s world, where more people interact over the internet than locally.

My McIntosh C24 from the sixties has an adjustable loudness knob. It really does work nicely at low volumes. I wish new preamps had that feature.

@walterpen371

3 жыл бұрын

So this is where YAMAHA CR RECEIVERS got that idea from.

@walterpen371

3 жыл бұрын

Now I know where YAMAHA CR RECEIVERS got that idea from.

Listening to my favourite jazz with the glass of red wine at the right volume level at midnight ? What about my nice neighbours in my nice apartment building ? Even, I have got also the house , but why would I want to listening loud right volume music around midnight before going to bed ??? Audiofools are really something trying to avoid tone controls at any price , haha .

@carlosoliveira-rc2xt

3 жыл бұрын

I think you belong to that club.

@moon-light1354

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not afraid to admit that I use a 4 band EQ, I'll bet alot of us do but just won't admit it.. Sad..

@lynnpoole7830

3 жыл бұрын

@@moon-light1354 Put on a dunce cap and stand in the corner until Paul's book comes out! LOL

@carlosoliveira-rc2xt

3 жыл бұрын

@@moon-light1354 I hope it's at least a parametric EQ. Thirty years ago I found that the Mirage M1 speaker could be played at really low volumes without losing proper bass balance. It was as if it had a built-in loudness control.

So why can we not have a Loudness button any more. I used to have a Nakamishi pre-amp that had a volume attenuator and a variable loudness. As you turned it up clockwise the volume would reduce but the base would stay. This really worked well. I sold the pre-amp to a friend of mine who was much more audiophile than I am and I still regret it. Human perception is a funny thing. I follow Marty's Matchbox Makeovers and here I learned that Matchbox used to change the ground aspect ratios of their little matchbox cars. If you would copy the exact dimensions and simply scale the car down to Matchbox size, it would look all wrong. You have to make the car wider as it gets smaller.

Audiophiles really hate any kind of EQ and yet are accepting of the RIAA compensating EQ in every phono preamp. Loudness compensation if designed properly should be available on every high end amplifier as it not only compensates for low listening levels but can do a good job in restoring the sound of some older vinyl recordings where the marketing guys made the decision to get the mastering guys to roll off the bass in favour of getting more on the record!

@memyshelfandeye318

3 жыл бұрын

RIAA compensation is a necessity because of the properties of the mechanical recording process. Audiophile equipment is not concerned with "sounding good", but with "sound (audio signal) reproduction fidelity" (Sound=audio signal here being the scientific thing, not that "GREAT SOUND" people commonly refer to when speaking about the quality of audio equiment). If you have a shitty recording, audiophile equipment will show you that mercilessly, it will not (and is not intended to) make it "sound better". If you only play low quality recordings (and nearly everything that comes from the great labels these days is "optimised" for kitchen radios and car systems, therefore is shit), you can happily use "loudness" or "EQ" circuits to "boost" the "SOUND", because those recordings are so heavily tampered with, it does not even make sense to speak about "sound reproduction fidelity". Not the right place to go into details here, but the 2-channel recordings we are generally listen to are trying to reproduce multi-source audio signals. Google for "audio signal", "transit time" and "Group delay and phase delay" and you might get a glimpse at why equalisers mess the signal up, and why audiophile recordings and equipment are so elaborate and therefore expensive ...

@AnalogueGround

3 жыл бұрын

@@memyshelfandeye318 I don’t need to Google why equalisers mess the signal up - I’m an audio electronics designer. With high end audio I don’t have a problem with equalisers that can be used to make a recording sound more like its original intention before mastering, even if it introduces artefacts that are the penalty of using equalisers. If they’re switchable you can switch them out when you don’t need them. You limit the amount of recorded material you can listen to on a revealing system because, as you rightly say, it will show up a poor recording which make them difficult listen to. Also compromises were made especially in bass roll off on many vinyl pressings to maximise playing time. If this can be restored and it makes it sound ‘better’ then I’m all for it. There seems to be a ‘no EQ’ snobbery that exists in the audiophile community. If you want to faithfully reproduce music from the medium of choice and have no interest in listening to music from a pleasure perspective and only a scientific objective then don’t use EQ or a volume potentiometer or a magnetic cartridge with a peak somewhere in its response and that’s fine. I like to be a big more creative than that but also aware of the downsides in that approach. Working in a recording studio for many years showed the reliance engineers had with eq and also how it can be a curse in mix down imaging. We compromise at source and we compromise at the destination and hopefully along the way we can enjoy the musical content.

Great idea for the audio entusiasts to get speakers and amps that optimally works at 2 0hms and even lower regime. Drivers in speakers must be wired with special copper ultra thin foil. wITH THAT ACHIEVED, YOU WILL speed up the sound and get linear sound , amazing clarity ,with proper decibels up to 165 db at highest volume from 20 to 20k khz. The best solution for amps are germanium transistors, in preamp and amp sections. For speaker , floorstanding transmission boxes, 6 inch speakers full range. The point is that voltage for amps must have lowest resistance and very powerful transformator.

@memyshelfandeye318

3 жыл бұрын

"speed up the sound" ... yeah. With that kind of density, sound is really sped up.

@markovlasic1978

3 жыл бұрын

@@memyshelfandeye318 sarcastic statement?

The correct loudness is above the level at which I get a call from my landlord but below where I get a visit from the police.

Paul! Please make 'the audiophiles guide' and the audio calibration files available as a ebook/zip file. Make it so I can buy it on a pc and just download, and give that out in the book aswell. That would be so so useful. Might get the physical copy anyway, your stuff is great 😁

@Paulmcgowanpsaudio

3 жыл бұрын

It will be available on the Kindle, yes.

A couple of my systems don't have a loudness control. One has a sub so I bump it up a bit, on the other, I just give it a little bass boost. I normally never use tone controls but sometimes it' a necessity.

This is cool, I was demonstrating this for my wife the other night. For whatever reason I was on a Leona Naess kick and had her music shuffled in Roon. My wife noticed that not all of her music was recorded in the same manner where adjusting the volume made a huge difference because some tracks from certain albums were seemingly mixed into a wall of sound and there were very little dynamics, so within a wide range of volume everything was loud. The more dynamic tracks benefitted from proper volume more than the others. In those cases, quiet passages are still quiet, voices sounded correct in their volume, and the louder or busier passages were fun, visceral and yet intelligible. Oh if everything were mixed properly (even when the sonic vision must include certain distortions and effects).

Bang on Paul! I started out enjoying hifi and ended up in mastering, practically most enthusiasts are not aware of the "Loudness curve" or as you more accurately put it , "the Fletcher Munson curve" loudness button puts what we call in the industry a "smiley face curve" for when the wife says turn that down and you want to retain that bass satisfaction! 😆😆

Would you mind sharing a link of your new book please?

Could not find book on Amazon. Maybe a link?

Slight adjustment of bass and treble is all that is necessary as we did before loudness buttons. The volume can be very difficult to set because of the dynamic range of the music i'll keep thinking of A computer program to find the highest level in a piece of music so you can set your volume correctly

Get a tone control with a clean bypass like the Schiit Loki.

@lynnpoole7830

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. I was going to suggest the same thing but figured my post would be removed. Well worth the money.

I got sony str gx707es receiver and there are no loudness buttons, or nothing. Connect to wharfedale diamond 9.3 speakers. Lisen radio or cd or cassete player and there are poor low frequency at bass knob 0 position. Turn bass knob to +10 and then bass start to show up. But at the second situation connect receiver to pc where is jetaudio player with xbass on. Turn on and play music, at that moment bass knob was at +5 and what was a super sound. Bass was so ritch. In my situation the problem is that my receiver dont have loudness or xbass system. Is there some kind loudness kit or something simular?

Another benefit of having an equalizer...depending on the volume, you can fine tune the frequencies to the way it sounds better to you. And having the flexibility that an equalizer offers, i just something that i consider hard for me not to have. And we can always keep it flat if we are in "audiophile" mood.

@ewoutbuhler5217

3 жыл бұрын

A smart loudness control is volume dependant, the equalizer needs a lot of fiddling.

@jpgpsantos

3 жыл бұрын

@@ewoutbuhler5217with equalization by software, everything is possible. That's what I use to get total flexibility and variable dynamic equalizations on certain variables

@ewoutbuhler5217

3 жыл бұрын

@@jpgpsantos ​ So you have a setup that automatically chances DSP settings when you change the volume? Cool!

@jpgpsantos

3 жыл бұрын

@@ewoutbuhler5217 I don't go that far, I use APO equalizer for windows that I think it have the loudness concept implemented. Usually I just use the equalization, because I tend not to change volume much between listening sessions, so I equalize only once per session, or per record if needed. But it's quite extendable and customizable, with plugins, etc.

Any way to get the book other than Amazon? I'm not a fan of that company for many reasons.

...I always have the Loudness button on, it makes my music sound more lively and warmer and less digital, even at more than normal listening levels...can't listen to digital music without this button!

Glaaaaawster

Nice table. :)

It’s pronounced Gloss- sta👍🏼😂 I’ve always wondered what Paul thinks of Meridan DSP Speakers, I bought DSP3200 and they sound amazing,

a brass chorale produces 117db/a on average when the FF symbol is used on the program material. that level would be technically correct when listening to a recording. since few systems can even come close to accurately reproducing audio at that level the term loudness can cover quite the territory when considering the limitations(bandpass/output spl/dynamic range/phase coherency) of most systems. given this...the correct loudness would be tied to two things....budget and personal taste. remember that no matter how accurate or impressive a system is a system can never really replace being at the performance itself. all it can do is remind you of what that performance was like and THAT experience is only as good as the tech doing the recording and the equipment they use. hi paul. :-)

Jeeeee I can’t find the book on Amazon nor the CD grrrrr anybody got a link to it please and thanks

Looking to buy the book and SACD and can't find either ..no book on Amazon and no SACD at PS audio 🤔

@scottmackey4182

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t look for speakers on the PS Audio website either. They aren’t there.

@barryaxani6955

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottmackey4182 I'm not looking for speakers

I have a problem with the Fletcher Munson curves ... back then when they were taking acoustic measurements they used headphones !! Back then headphones had a very narrow ( voice frequency) audio range .. and loudspeakers weren't any better either ...

@memyshelfandeye318

3 жыл бұрын

2003 ISO revised the standard on the basis of recent assessments by research groups worldwide. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

Call it Gloster and you’ll be right Paul ✌️🌹🇦🇺

Paul .. you say it Gloss ter As i came from that neck of the woods in the next county .. Paul

I wish Paul was my uncle he's so cool

Audio equalizers (Audiophiles would say a NO NO) are the remedy for me when the power amp is not sufficient for the ultra efficient speakers.

Sorry Paul but we can’t find your book on Amazon.

A 50 foot violin sounds gnarly !

2:26 timestamp, Paul's 1000 cycle "oooooooo" is 300 cycles thereabouts, just trivia for fun. 1000 cycles can be done with a low whistle from the mouth. Spectrum analyzer app on a smart phone is fun to play with!

@laurentzduba1298

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad Paul can't scream-sing in tune a 1KHz-ish high-C like Iron Maiden frontman Bruce Dickinson. 😄

Miss those mid to late 1970s era Yamaha receivers whose loudness circuit designs use tantalum capacitors.

A sign of good gear is that the bass holds its own at low volume. The issue discussed in this video is less pronounced, when you have a good amp and speakers.

@AnalogueGround

3 жыл бұрын

Amplifiers at any price have flat responses and the effect of the Fletcher-Munson response doesn't change according to how much the amp costs or performs unless it has 'loudness' compensation which I've never seen on really high end amplifiers. Although larger speakers may have a bass response that goes further down, sometimes giving the impression of more bass, they cannot compensate for the Fletcher-Munson response. It's the human ear and there's nothing we can do about it other than introduce some compensation network. Of course there's the issue of some low efficiency speakers not being able to deliver their best at low levels irrespective of loudness compensation. It always comes down to compromises!

@NoEgg4u

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnalogueGround "...they cannot compensate for the Fletcher-Munson response" Yes, better gear does compensate for the Fletcher-Munson experience. Better gear does not eliminate the above. It lessens it, because better gear presents a better soundstage. Better amps do a better job at delivering power, thus lessening the issue with perceived bass roll-off. A person with poor hearing will still hear the difference between speakers purchased at Walmart vs. speakers purchased at a high-end store, because the better equipment does a better job, and any hearing person can hear the difference. So it is with the benefit in the perception of the bass roll-off. Better equipment delivers better results, including bass accuracy, realism, and response.

@scottyo64

3 жыл бұрын

I will agree some what. When I bought my 650 watt monoblocks the first thing I noticed was much better dynamics at lower volumes. I don't think a lot of people understand that. They think higher power=louder.

@NoEgg4u

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottyo64 High power is desirable. And you can get high power at low cost or high cost. Same is true for low power. You can spend 6 figures for 30 watts per channel. That is why some low powered amps sound so good. They won't shake the walls. But they sound fantastic (the right ones). High powered amps introduce an issue that low powered amps sort-of do not have to deal with. That is... High power requires keeping that power under control. Like a 1,000 horsepower car, keeping it running smoothly is much more difficult than a 200 horsepower car. Driving a 1,000 horsepower car needs a better driver, to take advantage of the extra performance. For high powered amps, it is like having the power of a freight train, and having the control to run it at 100 MPH, bring it to a full stop in an instant, and back to 100 MPH in an instant. Music demands that level of instantaneous control, in order to sound its best. Better high powered amps do that better. Lesser quality high powered amps do a lesser job at managing the power. The power supplies in electronics are often overlooked. Great sounding gear have great power supplies, and are a big part of the cost of what is in the box. Based on your experience with your monoblocks, you probably have quality amps with quality power supplies. This is why I wrote, in my previous comment, that it is about the quality of the gear, and not necessarily the power of the gear. Although, power, handled correctly, does help. But power is not always synonymous with quality.

@AnalogueGround

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoEgg4u I can't agree with that generalisation. The soundstage is a totally different thing and yes, it does vary from amplifier to amplifier, but largely depends on the topology and, in particular the design attention given to the power supply in a stereo amp or whether you use monoblocks or not. I've performed many tests with amplifiers and irrespective of the soundstage, if one sounds better than another at low volumes in the Fletcher-Munson region, they always carry that 'enhancement' above that region which I admit can make them sound more 'musical' but means that you're not comparing apples with apples. Comparing one flat response amplifier to another in the Fletcher-Munson region can be easily measured and I've not encountered any well designed amplifier that changes it's EQ in the low output region. Speakers are a different matter though; some need to be driven beyond a certain point before they can sound 'good' and that's not because of the Fletcher-Munson effect but a combination of the driver efficiency and defeating the compliance of the suspension.

Tone controls on your amps please.

Fyi most studios are are calibrated to 79db C weight as the mix level.

I agree with getting the right size, however, this makes proper listening to eg Rock music well nigh impossible. How the hell do I get John Bonham's drum kit or Hendrix's Marshall stacks the right size in my listening room without the police knocking on the door?

Hi Paul, i can't find the audiophile guide book in amazon, could you please share website link of the book?

i bought a custom rca cable to plug into my preamp for my stereo and to my desktop computer external speaker jack the problem is i don't get a lot of volume what can i do to get normal volume?

@xiro6

3 жыл бұрын

look on audio settings on windows,there is plenty of checkboxes and sliders that can be doing something.i used SPDIF and Toslink,but i think i also used the RCA-jack option too and had the correct level,so i assume you have something wrong.Windows sometimes mess with the audio outputs and specially with the levels,as it have many automatic options for lowering music when receibing a videocall,and things like that.also update audio drivers.in one case i went almost crazy just to find i lack the "stereo mix" mix option,update drivers and installed it and all problems solved. check the audio options and also right click on the speaker icon on tools bar.

@kc9scott

3 жыл бұрын

I assume you’re probably talking about the 3.5mm headphone output of your computer, correct? In general, computer audio line-outputs (including their headphone jacks) tend to be at a somewhat lower level than standard home audio components. What I did is to put a line-level booster amp into the path. On my system, I have both a direct connection from my desktop computer (from a USB-to-audio converter) and a Bluetooth receiver feeding into my stereo system. Both of those paths needed line-level booster amps to make their listening levels comparable to my other audio devices.

@rgendrud8695

3 жыл бұрын

@@kc9scott thank you very much i am disabled so i am limited i need to find one of those amps on line

@kc9scott

3 жыл бұрын

@@rgendrud8695 The ones that I got are from phonopreamps.com, their TC-780LC. The first one I bought in 2017, and it uses a wall-wart power supply. When I got it they used a switching-type power supply, which interfered with the AM reception on my Yamaha receiver. Ed at phonopreamps.com took care of my problem, and they swapped it for a linear power supply. I don’t know if they still use that same exact type of supply, or whether it was a lone incident for just the unit that I got. But AFAIK, upon request, they will provide a linear supply instead.

@vaughntonkin539

3 жыл бұрын

@@kc9scott I have that 780LC after the 778 phono stage, very good sounding kit for viynl, I have tried more expensive preamps that can't touch this kit, I have since sold them off, I have a Crosley Solo radio that gave AM hum, I thought it didn't like any mains supply, a gel battery solved the problem, FF 2 years, I broke out the Realistic 102 tuner and got the hum, I pulled the 2 ww supplies and hum gone, a cheap laptop charger I bought for a Samsung LT would wipe out the upper AM range with wooshing noise. Back to the 780, I set the clipping point on the vol control at around 8/10 on the speakers amp

Headroom? and loudness?

anybody has a link to the record?

👍

Can’t wait to get the book still not in Amazon

@vcp93

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder why he keeps telling us to go to Amazon for the book, but it isn't there.

Smaller speakers would be better for low volumes, correct?

@ewoutbuhler5217

3 жыл бұрын

I would disagree, smaller speakers generally have poorer bass, that would even decrease perception and actual presence of bass.

The problem with most modern music recordings these days is they are bass heavy and sometimes treble heavy, meaning it's like they've already applied the "loudness" button. I hate most modern recorded music, unless you can tell it's been left more natural sounding, and not boosted in areas that it should not be. I like Loudness and I don't like Loudness. For me it depends on a lot of things, the environment, how loud I will actually be listening to the music, and generally what type of music will be "loudness" or no "loudness". I generally prefer no loudness and adjust my EQ's and cross overs accordingly and at any volume level.

Paul is so cool !!!!

The first🥳

I can make this easy for you. At a certain point, it makes sense to listen to headphones and still enjoy the full spectrum of music. If the music is so low you cannot hear all of it, what's the point?

I went to the PS audio website and couldn't find any header that said music.

@googoo-gjoob

3 жыл бұрын

click on... *Octave Records*

@Geerladenlad

3 жыл бұрын

@@googoo-gjoob Not there.

@googoo-gjoob

3 жыл бұрын

@@Geerladenlad , are you in the U.S. ? not certain if the CDs are sold outside the U.S. www.psaudio.com/product-category/octave-records/

@Geerladenlad

3 жыл бұрын

@@googoo-gjoob what is the name of the disc?

@googoo-gjoob

3 жыл бұрын

@@Geerladenlad , they will be continually adding more artists.... oh, wait, are you looking for the CD which accompanies his upcoming book? thats not available yet.

Gloucester: - (/ˈɡlɒstər/ GLOS-tər)

A subwoofer on a low amp volume is good!

@QoraxAudio

3 жыл бұрын

But that still doesn’t cover the lack of mid-bass (50-200Hz). While most of the heavy instruments, or kicks with electronic music, are mainly at those frequencies.

@ieonking1053

3 жыл бұрын

The main speakers cover the mid bass, they are mission speaker with a woofer and a tweeter so my system is covered from very high notes right down to very low bass notes from the subwoofer, i have had lots of friends and i have one who like me loves hifi, and people think its a brilliant setup i have, but im not bragging as there is better stuff then mine, but i do experiment a lot with sound quality in stuff i have, i have amps in my loft and other stuff from way back, its all good fun😁 and in my 60s the hearing is still good.

@QoraxAudio

3 жыл бұрын

@@ieonking1053 Nice, yes the fullrange speakers are way more significant on low volumes than the subwoofer 👍

My DAC has a loudness function. You can adjust the boost and at what volume level it actually kicks in. (RME ADI-2 DAC FS is the DAC)

Never buy a preamp that does not have tone and loudness controls. At higher levels, you do not need them, but any of us that live in duplexes or apartments are not free to always play at high levels. If you HAVE them, you can use them as needed, if not, not so much. Most of the higher quality equipment had switches that essentially took these controls out of circuit for purists.

@alexron2023

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct. That is my main complaint of new equipment not having a way to adjust tone/loudness controls. To me is a MUST reason why I stick with vintage equipment.

@ryanray6215

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexron2023 Brand new equipment are still making amazing tone controls , like : Luxman Yamaha Macintosh etc

@nicoras8803

3 жыл бұрын

You should add reputable amplifiers, because most amps designed today do not understand how to correctly design tone controls all those audiophiles that did understand it is now either dead or deaf. I design all my pre-amplifiers with tone controls, if you do not want to use them and don't mind living with a crappy sound at volumes you are "allowed"to listen to simple switch the defeat on. Music is a pleasurable experience, not one that obeyed the purist rule while the purists don't quite understand these rules. Follow your ears and your heart, the enjoyment is available. Follow your wallet and what others say then suffer the consequences.

@briansimmons5363

3 жыл бұрын

A killer tone control add-on is the Schiit Loki.

@spamsponge

3 жыл бұрын

@@briansimmons5363 It really is a good EQ. I just have to disabuse my mind of the idea that using it is "wrong". I still feel guilty inside about putting the low shelf at 3 o'clock even though it sounds good. Luckily I don't feel the need to use it across every album. Most often a little bit of high shelf boost is all I need.

These days, forget the "loudness" button/knob. Use room correction DSP instead.

@Spock105

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. I have two DSP's . But also a Marantz 1122dc & 2130 & 2226b . And honestly for radio , I listen with these old guys because they sound warm and more intimate , and they have a loudness button that I love & they look fantastic compared to all those current black plastic boxes . For movies sure , only with my DSP's.

If you are going to pitch that dang book in every single video, perhaps make sure it's available for purchase...

Just get about 1800 rms and barely crack the seal. Loudness through headroom always wins

One wonders how inaccurate those headphones, speakers and microphones were in the 1930s.

@csabakereszturi945

3 жыл бұрын

Why? Like today’s will be in 2080?

@bilguana11

3 жыл бұрын

@@csabakereszturi945 F-M curves measured with highly inaccurate instruments.

Gloster Cester Shire ! 😂

"Glostuhshuh', with the emphasis on the 'os' and throwaway 'uh'! glOStuhshuh. The same applies to Leicestershire - 'lEStuhshuh' and Worcestershire - 'wOOStuhshuh'.

@raycochrane3971

3 жыл бұрын

AND Leicester.

More efficient speakers means less bass, assuming that all other parameters are similar. So definitely not the way to go.

@woohunter1

3 жыл бұрын

Not always the case

get a DSP/Room EQ and it's all solved.

Here's an app that lets you set levels at different frequencies to sound at the same level for your personal hearing and equipment you are playing through. play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.javeo.android.neutralizer I find it useful at least when playing through my android devices.

"Dr Foster went to Gloucester..." [Gloster] "Uncle Fester gave a scare, when he went to Leicester Square..." [Lester] "If you ever catch a rooster, cook in sauce that comes from Worcestershire!" [Wooster-shire]

@2ridiculous41

3 жыл бұрын

wuster...

@HareDeLune

3 жыл бұрын

There was an old lady from Worcester, who was often annoyed by a rooster. She cut off his head, until he was dead, and now he can't crow like he use'ter.

@2ridiculous41

3 жыл бұрын

@@HareDeLune it doesn't rhyme with rooster

@HareDeLune

3 жыл бұрын

@@2ridiculous41 Should I have spelled it "Wooster"? To be honest, I don't remember the original spelling, as I learned it some fifty-odd years ago. Edit: The OP seems to conflict with what you're saying.

as of 1/7/21 15:31..... the book is _still_ not listed on Amazon & the CD is not yet listed on PSAudio.com .......... lead time, i guess

Never touch that lowdness control maybe you need better efficient speakers example floor standing speakers well positioned

Sorry to correct you Paul. This is NOT correct. A real loudness was not “boosting” anything - maybe on some cheap consumer products. I have a lots og Vintage Hi-Fi and have being designing Hi-Fi “back in the days.” Loudness degrees the high and middle (speakers) and leave the bas in the normal volume. This is so an activation on the loudness bottom will give you between 16 to 20Db les output from the high and middle, but still give you the normal bas. It is the bas that our ear cannot sense when we play at a low level. I have, among many others, a Revox A-50 integrated power-amp. There is a loudness button that degrees the middle and the top with 20Db but leave the bas - So I can hear very “low” playing music, with lots of bas.

@ewoutbuhler5217

3 жыл бұрын

two approaches for the same result. You are right, many amps sounds louder when switching on Loudness, as the lowes (AND highs btw) are boosted. If your amp does not sound louder, it's probably indeed putting attenuation on the mids. In both cases you apply some kind of v-shaped filter over the frequency respons, only with a slightly different output volume at given volume knob level. I don't see why one approach is worse that the other?

Automatic ISO 226:2003 Compensation = Low Level Enhancement - LLE

Gloucester = Glostah, you're welcome. (●'◡'●)

@2112res

2 жыл бұрын

why'd the queen spell it that way?

@edcollante

2 жыл бұрын

@@2112res Fucked if I know.

Get a sub and turn the volume up on it

No loudness control is another reason for having defeat able tone controls as increasing the bass and treble at low volumes while not exactly the same as a loudness control will still help .

It is pronounced GLAW-STER.

@tonyclark6235

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a quirk of the English language. You don’t pronounce the “U” as a vowel ..i.e it is silent so it sounds like GLOSS..STIR.

@PDCRed

3 жыл бұрын

It really isn't.

@David-mi3il

3 жыл бұрын

@@PDCRed either 1.you have been saying it wrong your entire life 2. you are not British

@gotham61

3 жыл бұрын

That's more like the American Boston area way of saying it. Here's the correct English pronunciation. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eIZ4qLKBj9q3n9Y.html

@scottscottsdale7868

3 жыл бұрын

@@gotham61 that is exactly what I meant. Claw=flaw=GLAW. ster=ster. GLAW-ster

least efficient speaker then buy amp with loudness. half people buying audio equipment are deaf why not add tone control.

@lynnpoole7830

3 жыл бұрын

WHAT?? Zone control?? LOL

gloss ter cher

@Baerchenization

3 жыл бұрын

Why are you doing this to yourself :D

@ewoutbuhler5217

3 жыл бұрын

Since when does Cher live in "Gloster"

lol. It's GLOSS-TA. Great vids tho.

RE: we don't hear frequencies at the same volume, hence different voicing among speakers.

Gloucester is pronounced 'glosster'

@jeffreyhale6472

2 жыл бұрын

Same with Worcester, Mass. (Wooster)

ATTENTION! *ALL POINTS BULLETIN* Anyone know where Fat Rat is?

@vaughntonkin539

3 жыл бұрын

I see replies to Fat Rat, but no coments from him on other audio YT channels, YT must have wiped his coments

@Mark-lq3sb

3 жыл бұрын

@@vaughntonkin539 Thanks for your reply. Yeah, possible he pissed-off YT (that wouldn't surprise me 🤣) and they're punishing him or he decided to start over and delete himself. Maybe he'll pop-up with a new user name, who knows. Hopefully, nothing happened to him health-wise. With all that's been going on in the world the past 9 months one never knows. *Message to Fat Rat, hope things are well with you and you can return soon. We miss your caustic humor*....😁🤣

Gloucester = 's "Glo-Chess-ster" :-)

.....also Woostershr sauce... Tsk Americans 🤣 I turn off the DSP when listening at low levels. Room modes aren't excited as badly at lower volumes, so bass sounds more natural. Kind of an expensive loudness control in reverse :-)

@lynnpoole7830

3 жыл бұрын

Jag-you-uh, tsk Brits.