How to Find SECONDS Next Time on Track

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One of the areas drivers can find massive lap time in is during the corner entry phase. Driver61 founder, Scott Mansell explains how to find more time on the way into a corner.
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  • @maskmagog99
    @maskmagog994 жыл бұрын

    This! This is *exactly* what I need to work on to progress as a (sim) racer. Thank you! I've been comparing telemetry with other drivers, and this is the big one. Even as a sim racer, it takes some courage to go faster than what I think/feel is possible, especially in a car with a lot of downforce. I have been working on the vision part, and it certainly helps, although I need to work on it more. Keep up the good work!

  • @Nik-zc5ro
    @Nik-zc5ro4 жыл бұрын

    thanks for making these videos Scott. Its easy to get lost in the "I am at the limit feeling" and it needs some rethinking about what you are actually doing instead of repeating it over and over again. I also think this is important for any driver at any level.

  • @LateralTwitlerLT
    @LateralTwitlerLT4 жыл бұрын

    "Harsh initial steering input, poor brake profile, and too violent on the throttle." You know me too well.

  • @Tora1337

    @Tora1337

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hahaha! The take away from that quote is; Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

  • @texasflysuperstar
    @texasflysuperstar4 жыл бұрын

    Gotta admit, I’ve been trying this on my modest home sim. It isn’t easy and certainly needs a lot of practice.

  • @aperturescience2

    @aperturescience2

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes I agree Patrick thinking about your pedal action while driving takes concentration and I don't even use the clutch, but I keep trying

  • @Wouldpkr

    @Wouldpkr

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@aperturescience2 Try not to think about the pedals, your feet already know what to do there, try to think about the way the car is moving and how the brakes effect that.

  • @asimpleman2585

    @asimpleman2585

    4 жыл бұрын

    This is the real shit. This guy has given me seconds, not tenths on AC.

  • @djsonicc
    @djsonicc4 жыл бұрын

    How to Find SECONDS Next Time on Track: buy McLaren Senna but on a serious note great vid

  • @Brendan-Grant
    @Brendan-Grant2 жыл бұрын

    That last tip was so crucial for me improving my lap times as a beginner in karting. I kept feeling like I was on the limit, not realizing I could actually take corners faster if I let up on the pressure when trail braking. Finding that balance of using just enough brake to induce a bit of rotation to get through a corner helped me shave off so much time.

  • @vsm1456
    @vsm14564 жыл бұрын

    5:04 is that Donington with a Silverstone map? :)

  • @jacktumbouniversal2149
    @jacktumbouniversal21493 жыл бұрын

    these videos got me from constant p10 - p15 .. to constant p1-p5 ... ty mate.

  • @DrPittenstein
    @DrPittenstein4 жыл бұрын

    The more I learn about driving fast, the more I enjoy Scott's videos. The theory makes total sense but it's hard for us mere mortals to put into practice.

  • @danwellsracing
    @danwellsracing4 жыл бұрын

    Love the vids Scott, good stuff

  • @Driver61

    @Driver61

    4 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Dano

  • @oktc68
    @oktc683 жыл бұрын

    I suppose it's a testament to the quality of sims that a "driver" still feels reluctant to ease up on the brakes when encountering rear end oversteer. I will attempt to put these lessons into practice and see if I can find a little extra speed. Thank you, extremely informative and very understandable information.

  • @coleharvey6303
    @coleharvey63034 жыл бұрын

    Keep it up Scott we love what you do!

  • @djlemut
    @djlemut4 жыл бұрын

    thank you Scott, one of the most helpful videos yet!

  • @200mphgt40
    @200mphgt404 жыл бұрын

    These are all good points you raise, thanks for sharing. I need to enter faster, smoother, then I push through the entry oversteer limit, must keep that in mind when on track next.

  • @Fingermunch
    @Fingermunch4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Scott, great advice and well explained! Correct trail breaking technique is critical to exit speed outcomes.

  • @superdupergrover9857
    @superdupergrover98573 жыл бұрын

    I love your tutorials. Instead of the standard, do this here, don't do this, because weight transfer, etc., you actually explain the mind traps we put ourselves in and tell us how to think. And when you do discuss things like weight transfer, you explain it in an understandable, approachable way. I watched your video on trail-braking tips, and I understand trailbraking now. I must have re-read my driver's ed books a dozen times and never made sense of it. Now I don't understand how they made it so indecipherable.

  • @onomatopoeidia
    @onomatopoeidia4 жыл бұрын

    All great tips that have helped a lot thanks. I find Autódromo José Carlos Interlagos and Phillip Island are great for practicing trail braking on iRacing with the F3, skip barber or even Ford Spec Racer. Especially Ford spec racer wildly over or understeers if the platform is not stable and you can really find the point of breakaway on the rear to help give useful oversteer.

  • @MakeWhatever
    @MakeWhatever4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for continually putting out top notch videos.

  • @mustafamurtadha8419
    @mustafamurtadha84194 жыл бұрын

    As always of your comprehensive and rich videos mate. Thank you.

  • @afshinazadeh2034
    @afshinazadeh20344 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video, we tend to get caught up in the heat of the moment and drive in a sloppy fashion instead of being in full control

  • @justamanchimp
    @justamanchimp4 жыл бұрын

    The vision part was crucial for me. I actually worked this out by myself from learning to drive in real life. My instructor would always tell me to look into corners more instead of in front of me. I realised when I was sim racing I would kind of zone out and focus on my car opposed to the corner and track. I'm constantly fighting with myself, almost like I'm wake myself up to make sure I'm scanning the track relative to my car. This has helped me not only take corners cleaner and faster but has given me a more intuitive sense of speed and where to brake!

  • @abysss91
    @abysss914 жыл бұрын

    Me, several seconds a lap slower than the lead car in online sims: Yes, win championships!

  • @racer_zig885
    @racer_zig8854 жыл бұрын

    This is IT. I have been pretty quick on every track/car I have used in Sim racing. I could get within 1-1.5% of the top tier drivers. Jumped in my rig after watching this and IMMEDIATELY felt the difference. My trail braking was more like moderate braking and once I let off a little more, more speed could be carried through the corner and the tenths started dropping off. Your videos have helped immensely, especially the one on vision. Can’t thank you enough.

  • @rayformosa6042
    @rayformosa6042 Жыл бұрын

    Great Tips, a good professional advice!

  • @Baunez
    @Baunez4 жыл бұрын

    I have never driven a real race car or been on a track, I only play simracing, so for me this is valuable stuff to know and be aware of. Thank you for taking your time to make this video. From Denmark, Jakob.

  • @oscarlofquist
    @oscarlofquist4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Great information 🙌

  • @davidmeadus8547
    @davidmeadus85474 жыл бұрын

    Donut media recommend this channel and I see why.....it great

  • @tgracing5532
    @tgracing55323 жыл бұрын

    Awesome vid will apply some of those tips

  • @CarsWithVic
    @CarsWithVic4 жыл бұрын

    very informative as always 👍

  • @0Freguenedy0
    @0Freguenedy04 жыл бұрын

    Not only the balance changes a lot but due to the curve of grip X normal load on a tire, when you have a weight transfer, the wheel having more load gains less grip than the grip loss on the tire that lost some load. So less transfer means more grip, smooth is key, also more controllable

  • @seidshot
    @seidshot4 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic advice as usual Scott!

  • @Driver61

    @Driver61

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @megaskod9343
    @megaskod93434 жыл бұрын

    great video, now I know why I keep spinning out when turning in to a corner. Im asking to much of the car, making it still brake and turn in the same time. I mess the balance up so much. Thanks alot

  • @blackmac1970
    @blackmac19704 жыл бұрын

    Great reminder video. Such a good summary of the subject. What track were the MX5 videos taken at? Sea and mountains in the background look fantastic.

  • @TomoHawKzZ

    @TomoHawKzZ

    4 жыл бұрын

    Anglesey I think?

  • @loltroll2
    @loltroll24 жыл бұрын

    Had the same problem, because i overrated trailbraking, and overdid it. Very often you can ease of the breakes much earlier to be neutral in the corner with more speed. Cars with much understeer can be driven with more trailbraking.

  • @BarryFence
    @BarryFence4 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant breakdown!

  • @Driver61

    @Driver61

    4 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Barry

  • @mr2dsp
    @mr2dsp4 жыл бұрын

    We race on hillclimb and sometimes its hard to predict the corners especially when there's some changes on the pavement. But thanks for the video that's a good info. Sometimes i brake to early.

  • @aperturescience2
    @aperturescience24 жыл бұрын

    We need more videos Scott

  • @brett_919
    @brett_9194 жыл бұрын

    I take a lot from this video, thank you 👍

  • @maydaygaming3953
    @maydaygaming39534 жыл бұрын

    Awesome vid

  • @ello34
    @ello344 жыл бұрын

    awesome video

  • @vtcarbike
    @vtcarbike4 жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍Very useful,thx!

  • @pedrogtar
    @pedrogtar4 жыл бұрын

    Oversteer limit is something I have to work with. Noticed these days that if I breake smoother on T3, 6, 7 and 8 of brands hatch, the car goes faster and easier, just now it makes sense.

  • @MLJ7424
    @MLJ74243 жыл бұрын

    Hello Scott , I find your presentation and video topics so Interesting and well done, thank you for making these. Are you much of a sim racer yourself? Would you say formula 3 racing is on the easier or harder end of the scale for becoming a good racer

  • @anidiotinaracingcar4874
    @anidiotinaracingcar48744 жыл бұрын

    I've personally found out that breaking a bit less hard is easier than breaking later: you can do it with more confidence as you've got that small margin for error

  • @anthonylineberry

    @anthonylineberry

    4 жыл бұрын

    You'll still be losing time doing that though, as you're spending longer in the braking zone to slow to X speed through the corner, rather than braking later (and thus being on the throttle longer on the previous straight) to reach that same speed through the corner. The confidence in braking later but just as hard comes with seat time and practice.

  • @anidiotinaracingcar4874

    @anidiotinaracingcar4874

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@anthonylineberry You're right of course but it's in my opinion a good first step, easier to take than braking later

  • @Maartwo

    @Maartwo

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@anthonylineberry well I think it's a step towards being confident with late braking. Besides, from my humble experience in simracing, I tend to gain more places by staying comfortable with the car and not dying and reap the rewards of people who go off-track and so on. Sure, I don't win many races but at least I can finish them!

  • @tarnishedpose

    @tarnishedpose

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like its easier to just develop a software that can calculate the optimal racing line, braking point, the force applied to brake and throttle, and the speed you should carry before the corner, while in the corner and after the corner... And also the steer angle, but I think that would be taken in racing line. Then try replicate in your racing simulator... lol?

  • @snowjix

    @snowjix

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@tarnishedpose Kinda takes away from the fun tho, doesnt it??

  • @darkknight1193
    @darkknight11932 жыл бұрын

    Found this after watching Max's almost pole lap in Saudi Arabia. Dude was literally on fire, hugging the walls at each corner, gaining time against Lewis, and was doing so well until the last corner just because of a small lock up :/

  • @CoyHere
    @CoyHere3 жыл бұрын

    Laughing to myself cause your pointing out things I've noticed but couldn't explain it in my head lol thanks

  • @mirekkowalski6377
    @mirekkowalski63774 жыл бұрын

    Very cool

  • @mindofmyown333
    @mindofmyown3334 жыл бұрын

    Maybe this is more for the Sim channel but I would find a video on tire management to be helpful. I recently learned that I have a poor understanding of how to manage tire wear and temp or how to remedy the issue once I feel the tires wearing out or getting too hot. I realized this while doing oval racing where these skills are very important over a long run. After a few laps in iRacing's K&N National car at Atlanta Motor Speedway, I found that I was able to qualify very quickly. When it came time to race, I was fast for a few laps and the the car became incredibly tight and would push up the track. I needed to arc in to the corner more and that seemed to help. In road racing, is there a difference between the lines you run for qualifying and racing like in oval racing?

  • @raufmeister

    @raufmeister

    4 жыл бұрын

    it depends, because in road racing as in oval you have many lines, most of people tend to use their qualy lines instead of try another lines, and basically thats the reason many people tend to crash in the first laps, but as well as in oval you can not always use your qualy lines.

  • @RobertHopkinsArt
    @RobertHopkinsArt4 жыл бұрын

    Great videos, Scott! Consider making a video that discusses Sim and real driver ergonomics and how to get your seat, pedals, and steering wheels aligned properly for the maximum benefit of going faster. There are bits and pieces scattered around the internet but no definitive guide or how-to. Pedal height to seat height, distance to the steering wheel, the distance of seat front to pedals, etc. Since most sim racers are in a GT3 seating position it would be best to start there since F1 is totally different? Thanks, Scott!

  • @RobertHopkinsArt

    @RobertHopkinsArt

    4 жыл бұрын

    Follow up with a different question: at 6:33 of the video, at Silverstone last week I struggled with those two turns in iRacing using the F3. I was using Suellio's setup. I wasn't sure if it was a brake bias issue, braking in a straight line required, or an improper turn-in line on my part. My second time at Silverstone since back in iRacing and I dread that turn. It just doesn't make sense to me.

  • @BlueJazzBoyNZ
    @BlueJazzBoyNZ4 жыл бұрын

    Tip 1 rumble strips are a danger point when located at max g in a corner ie the Nürburgring

  • @mosca3289
    @mosca32894 жыл бұрын

    Nice 👍🏻

  • @avarmauk
    @avarmauk3 жыл бұрын

    Scott. You fucking legend!

  • @VR46314
    @VR463143 жыл бұрын

    Hi @driver61 let’s say brands hatch first corner and talking about oversteer on entry with the front diving too much could brake bias also help with that weight on the rear ?

  • @jimtheassassin
    @jimtheassassin4 жыл бұрын

    can you please make a video talking about 4 wheel drifting (not 4wd drifting :P) i wanna learn more about it since i adopted this driving style in my racing sims and i think you are the right person to refer to

  • @vibhavshetgaonkar260
    @vibhavshetgaonkar2603 жыл бұрын

    My in game lap time on Nurburgring Before - 9mins 55 secs After watching his ten vids 8 mins 40 secs

  • @user-fj5zt7vt9f
    @user-fj5zt7vt9f3 жыл бұрын

    I understood that a balance is as famous on a track as a traectory. By the way when people argue about what is more famous I think that this is just not a constant value. And depends on situation and can change in a real time. When a traectory is more or less normal a balance becomes more famous. So as F1 drivers ride so ideal that the main difference of results depends on bolide.

  • @user-tv5dt3nm9y
    @user-tv5dt3nm9y3 жыл бұрын

    Great information. Do you teach anything like a distant stare. That is looking out and staring at an undefined point to allow a more open perception of the environment. It’s a technique used by completion aerobatic pilots, taught by John Morrissey.

  • @coliimusic

    @coliimusic

    3 жыл бұрын

    I notice that tends to help, as long as you can avoid tunnel vision or gauge-eye. It's always better to look out toward your apex than let your vision black out further than 10m away from the car.

  • @yeahnahsweetas
    @yeahnahsweetas4 жыл бұрын

    Should've watched this one before asking my dumb question about changing brake bias for more rear end grip..

  • @iamgroot1680
    @iamgroot16803 жыл бұрын

    does this apply to sim racing as well?

  • @hamstythehamster1813
    @hamstythehamster18134 жыл бұрын

    Love that gulag backdrop

  • @gladglad957
    @gladglad9574 жыл бұрын

    Is it ok to practice on controller I don't have wheel?

  • @Koshzor

    @Koshzor

    4 жыл бұрын

    Basic actions are the same. You just perform then by different control method. Lack of force feedback could be an issue (like lack of g-forces is an issue for a simracer)

  • @DanMufc-jt9le
    @DanMufc-jt9le4 жыл бұрын

    Excellent guide scott am doing a f12019 career mode at the min with my logitech g920 wheel set, had a few months now trying to get used to the realism effects , and on there in the practice programme with the track acclimatisation where you go through the gates, i dont find that particularly helpful as it just test how fast your going through them, so with this video i will take them points you made and in cooperate that into my driving with the game,Also trying to get used to the braking as well not trying to lock up all the time which can be difficult because with this wheel set you get a stupid spongy thing in the brake pedal which sometimes doesnt respond and sticks, Also my race starts arnt that great as i end up over revving sometimes and spin out on the start line, Last note to dont know if you have played recent f1 games but trying to manage your fuel and ers is not an easy task at all, especially when the d pad on the wheel can be a bit flimsy at times when your trying to switch the modes at speed

  • @DanMufc-jt9le
    @DanMufc-jt9le4 жыл бұрын

    Also scott i know your a real racer where i do with the sim, so what wheel set would say is best to upgrade to next particularly to race with the f1 games as eventually i want to give the league racing ago ?

  • @KookiDowg

    @KookiDowg

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tbh, your setup should not really matter when you're starting. I recommend to get either of the Logitech G25/27 or G29. They're fairly inexpensive, and it's a 280mm steering wheel diameter which I think is enough for open-wheelers. If you feel like you need to upgrade, invest in some load cell brakes or simply buy another set with one.

  • @DanMufc-jt9le

    @DanMufc-jt9le

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@KookiDowg Ok ill have a look at them, like i said i already have a logitech g920 wheel set with pedals, but eventually i want to look at maybe getting a fanatec wheel set that the esports drivers use for f1 not sure which version to go with though, to get that realistic feeling with the f1 games

  • @pakkinen
    @pakkinen4 жыл бұрын

    One of Alonso´s engineer said that he consistently travels less meters in a lap than his rivals, therefore shortening the circuit length. It is one of the main reasons he is so fast

  • @MrSchuetzendorf

    @MrSchuetzendorf

    4 жыл бұрын

    The question is: Is the shortest way around the track faster or the one that allows you to carry the most speed? What about tire wear?

  • @realstradman
    @realstradman4 жыл бұрын

    Good vids Scott but would be good to use GT or closed sports cars in your videos instead of Radicals as those vehicles are a different kettle of fish altogether...

  • @1xRacer
    @1xRacer4 жыл бұрын

    The last tip Ive just figured out, once I lowered the rake of the car by lowering the rear I finally understood it was the rear

  • @Driver61

    @Driver61

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nice one

  • @KrustyKlown
    @KrustyKlown4 жыл бұрын

    3:20 all great stuff.. but shouldn't the driver be picking a braking point reference that is in their line of sight to the turn apex? .. using peripheral or sighting to a reference on the fence as shown, would be very distractive to visualizing the driving line and sighting the turn apex. Personally, I always pick a reference on the track itself, a paint line defect, a crack repair, etc.. then I can always see the Apex and never take my eyes off the driving line. Lastly, braking later and later .. for me .. usually ends with an "oh shit" off-road experience .. any suggestions on how to sense that limit better without going off track, crashing or losing positions?

  • @GianniKnowsBest
    @GianniKnowsBest4 жыл бұрын

    Can you make a video of racing in the rain? Tia

  • @Driver61

    @Driver61

    4 жыл бұрын

    There are already a few

  • @superlameusername362
    @superlameusername3624 жыл бұрын

    People watching Driver61 videos: 80,000 racing game players. 20,000 with some SIM gear. 1,000 real life racers.

  • @mprism7985
    @mprism79852 жыл бұрын

    shaved off 2 seconds off my lap time with these tips

  • @Koshzor
    @Koshzor4 жыл бұрын

    Great content, but I am not sure if click bait title is necessary.

  • @aperturescience2

    @aperturescience2

    4 жыл бұрын

    Maybe easy isn't the right word

  • @DrPittenstein

    @DrPittenstein

    4 жыл бұрын

    Might not be EASY but this advice is definitely worth many SECONDS.

  • @racer_zig885

    @racer_zig885

    4 жыл бұрын

    Clickbait? Disagree as this was absolutely true for me. Within 10 minutes of watching this video, I knocked 1.5 seconds off a lap around Bathurst on iRacing in a GTE car to get under 2:00. A few more laps and i can easily see another half second.

  • @flakey7832
    @flakey78324 жыл бұрын

    how do i teach my completely inexperienced friends how to drive better? i'm not a good driver, but i can hit decent lap times, how do i help my friends?

  • @maydaygaming3953
    @maydaygaming39534 жыл бұрын

    Im focused on finding the max angular velocity i can get out of each car.

  • @snowjix

    @snowjix

    4 жыл бұрын

    Im focused on finding the maximum amounts of G's i can get in each barrier.

  • @maydaygaming3953

    @maydaygaming3953

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@snowjix me too fam

  • @EelkoA
    @EelkoA4 жыл бұрын

    What about the "on / off throttle " technique , especially when you have less grip in a corner , or suffer from understeer mid corner? You always say the same thing in your video's like tailbraking. Would also like to see some simracing footage from yourself. Keep up the good work.

  • @raufmeister

    @raufmeister

    4 жыл бұрын

    you will be surprised that trail braking is where most of the drivers fail as well as the vision, its basics but most of drivers fail, as well as the speed in the apex, it can cost you seconds or ess than a second which means you will lose a race or a posibility to overtake.

  • @DoggosGames
    @DoggosGames3 жыл бұрын

    how about Driver69

  • @PP-kb2iw
    @PP-kb2iw4 жыл бұрын

    Over thinking makes you slow

  • @aaronbalchand5475
    @aaronbalchand54753 жыл бұрын

    Ah yes now i can get faster times in mario kart

  • @Berranteromatadordenidalee
    @Berranteromatadordenidalee4 жыл бұрын

    first part, he is telling basically don't do like schumy or senna ...

  • @Berranteromatadordenidalee

    @Berranteromatadordenidalee

    4 жыл бұрын

    maybe when senna style put more grip on the rear using the gas pedal.. but them the front gets "lighter" and he start switching between them ... while Schumy just get the curve little bit tight or not avoiding the loss of traction using the steering-wheel because the amount of force need to do a curve with different radius change.. just guessing. If it makes any sense please let me know ...

  • @yabbadabbadoo8225
    @yabbadabbadoo82253 жыл бұрын

    I'm going on a big game sims hunt. Have straw, popcorn and sim pistol to shoot mice sized elephants, wish me luck 😐😐

  • @ashscott6068
    @ashscott60683 жыл бұрын

    None of it worked. I guess it's time to try it in a vehicle

  • @petechristdisciple6435
    @petechristdisciple64354 жыл бұрын

    Interesting and informative video. Jesus loves you all and trully provides his hope, love, joy and peace. God bless you all.

  • @clapped_juan2030
    @clapped_juan20304 жыл бұрын

    Thanks the police won't stand a chance now

  • @TheGnarTube
    @TheGnarTube4 жыл бұрын

    That oversteer clip is unfair. Brands T1 is the easiest possible place in the world to oversteer, off camber high speed. Come on

  • @bldsprt518
    @bldsprt5184 жыл бұрын

    What kind of goof ball gives this vid a thumbs down..

  • @Driver61

    @Driver61

    4 жыл бұрын

    I know...

  • @dragondragonwolf
    @dragondragonwolf4 жыл бұрын

    just drive faster lol

  • @Brendan-Grant
    @Brendan-Grant2 жыл бұрын

    That last tip was so crucial for me improving my lap times as a beginner in karting. I kept feeling like I was on the limit, not realizing I could actually take corners faster if I let up on the pressure when trail braking. Finding that balance of using just enough brake to induce a bit of rotation to get through a corner helped me shave off so much time.

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