I swear by the Laney FR 212 cab. They sound incredible!

I can't imagine dialing in a studio tone with speakers. I always dial in my tones with headphones - and when I run through the board if they run me flat I always sound the same. Every time I sound different there is some active filter or something they forgot to remove - I can instantly hear it - then they remove it and it sounds great. This works with every modeler I've tried.

GREAT video! Thanks so much for putting it out there.👍🏼 Very “eye opening” and HELPFUL! 😎🎸

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Tomulator thank you.

Completely new to FRFR. This was really useful. Thanks man. Subbed!

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

cosycampbell thank you! Which FRFR are you going with?

This video has had a big impact on my choice. I think I'm sold on having a wood cab. Having played Mesa's all my life this makes sense....

GREAT video! Very well done - thanks for the great info!

Great video. I am using a pair of Tech 21 Power Engines and I am happy with them. They are not true FRFR but close enough for my ears. And they are real cabinets. Just a home recorder.

Hey TW, thanks for this awesome video and the accompanying demo video. It changed my life. I wasn't able to purchase the Friedman (budget), but after watching your video I looked at active monitors with the characteristics you talk about in your video (namely high quality drivers and a wooden enclosure; it also has oversized heat syncs, is fan cooled, has tons of headroom and sounds very transparent) and found a Fender Fortis F-12BT in an open box with a price I couldn't resist. I rolled the dice and I'm so glad I did. I cannot believe the difference between it and my JBLEON 612. Like night and day. I don't know if it's the drivers, the cab or both, but it sure seems like the wooden enclosure made all the difference in the world from my plastic EON, which sounded okay, but somewhat sterile, not good at high volumes and had a tendency to overheat if I pushed it a bit. Anyway, thank you.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Master6String you're so welcome! I'm so glad that our information here helped you. Isn't it awesome when you find something that works for you? Rock on buddy and enjoy dialing in the best tone you've ever had.

@ChadPhillipsMusic

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. My Helix never sounded better. Cheers!

Love the analogies.....thanks for the demo. I'be been a cheap cabinet guy for so long.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

ksmit Thank you so much. I appreciate the kind words. Trust me, when you plug in to the Friedman, you will be blown away.

I use a Gemini 1 and can testify that you are 100% right in your assessment of other FRFR's.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

DavidRomeRecording thank you!

Absolutely true brother! That’s why I got my Friedman FRFR.... It’s also true for amplifiers as well. I play my Friedman BE100 through a Friedman 412 and the same goes for my Marshall, VOX, Soldano, Randall and other heads as well.. It’s like pairing fine wine with food... No one wants to drink milk when they are eating sushi...lol... I mean we all do crazy stuff like that....lol.. But, to get the best experience or in this case the best sound you want to use the best equipment you can. It has nothing to do with being a equipment snob. It’s all about your ears and a true flat response.... Great video!!!!

Very informative! THANK YOU!!!!! This helps!

Thanks for the honesty

I've had good luck dialing in tone thru studio monitors (even cheap ones with 5" speakers). I was worried the first time I ran direct to a very nice PA (casino gig), but it sounded great, left the eq on the mixer flat. Later I did the same to a low end Peavey set up, and it only needed minor eq tweaks. My rig was set up faster than anyone else. I am looking to get a FRFR for my stage volume, though, and this video was very helpful.

I’m trying to figure out if I learned more about FRFR, beer or coffee 😂 great video on the FRFR topic, thank you!

@TONEWARSgearshow

Жыл бұрын

Haha glad you liked the video

your advice. Great for electronic drums ? because i mix all sound in computer???

IMHO no need to overcomplicate things nor overthink them. If using a modeler and playing venues straight to FOH, setup your patches using a high quality PA monitor such as QSC, JBL, Bose, Yamaha, etc. since this is exactly what is going to be pumped out from FOH to your audience. Setting up your patches to sound great on your backline or stage monitor will only result in your sole satisfaction and not necessarily that of your audience which should be the priority of concern. I play through high-end amp/cabs at home but build presets through PAs. I highly recommend checking out the QSC K12's as a solid choice. This is just the opinion of an old man so your mileage may vary. Regards.

I see that the Headrush FRFR-112 is pretty affordable. Will it be enough for "transparent" patch creation? It also seems great for smaller gigs.

Very good analysis. The same holds true for beer. I use a good beer glass designed for high end Belgian microbrews and can taste the difference!

Convinced me. I like 2 of them, one for the dirty stuff and one for cleans. Thanks for the video.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Eric Smith the mission cab was rrally good for cleans.

Just a thought... if you always play through the same foh speakers, wouldn't it make sense just to dial your tone into those?

This is a great video and explains literally what happened to me today at our practice today! I thought I had my sound/tones locked down & good to go here at my house, then leave to go to practice and all of tones sounded thin and tingy and high pitched like there weren't any Mids within the tones. Threw me for a loop and had to revert back to my previous pedal board to find out the practice. Came home and started looking into why and came across your video, glad I did! This helps understand alot more of what I'm dealing with! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Vernon Leemon you're very welcome! What speaker did you dial your tone in on?

Got a Laney LFR-112 for my helix. Great job

@TheBeechiebaby

4 жыл бұрын

Dan has the Laney a wooden cab or plastic?? Tia

Your title says "Important" but for a second I thought it said, "Impelliteri." I thought maybe you were gonna give us an Impelliteri shred demo! Ha! Great video....

Fantastic analogies too

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

WholeLottaBulldog THANK YOU!!!

Listening through my AKG headphones the mission sounded great to my ears 2nd is Line 6 and 3rd is Friedman asc12. Thanks for doing this comparison...

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Enrico de DIOS youre welcome!

I'm a guitar nerd and I really enjoy your analysis of the gear. Finally a place I can go and get an accurate break down, both good and bad. This episode really hit home I have been using a Mackie DLM 12 and DLM 12S for my Helix and Roland GR-55. It sounded great in my studio and then I ventured out to the world and it sounded so woffy it drove me nuts all night. This video explains it. Thanks off to look at a Line 6 PowerCab 2-12... Thanks again.

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for commenting and sharing this with me. I'm so glad that my videos are helping people. I just reviewed the Line 6 powercab 2x12. It's actually a really good product.

GREAT VID! I AM JUST NOW LOOKING AT FRFR OR STUDIO MONITORS. I AM WANTING TO BUILD MY OWN CAB WITH AN FRFR SPEAKER. CAN U RECOMMEND A QUALITY SPEAKER AND SET UP? THANKS

spot on right here, i was misign that last 10% and i couldn't figure it out. Now im glad someone agrees. you need wood to replicate that tone.

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Like I always say... Wood is good Poly, you on dat molly

how many watt is the gemini 2 you are using?

Great video. I'm completely new to digital gear. I bought a line 6 hx stomp for use with amps modeler only. I am currently using the stomp on the return of the laney Lionheart 5w combo FX loop but I am not completely satisfied. I would like to try a FRFR cab. I'm undecided between Headrush cab and line 6 power cab 112. What would you recommend from these two?

@danabnormal5892

4 жыл бұрын

Paulo Madeira I use a Laney Lfr-112 with my helix. Fantastic frfr cab for reasonable cost

Love your Monarchy, do you find it a challenge going back and forth from the bolt-on neck of the BFR (I think that’s right) to the all access neck of the Monarchy?

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

ronnieparfait thank you. I love it too. I actually talk about that very thing in my review of the Monarchy. There is definitely an adjustment period of 10 to 15 minutes when I go from one to the other. That said, they both have definitive characteristics that make them special in their own way.

Have you ever tried the Helix through Yamaha DBR12s? It's a plastic PA/Monitor wedge. Wanted to know what you thought of it as far as accuracy/consistency.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

James Burwell yes I have. IMHO, it's the best poly enclosed unit so far. It's not as dull as the others. That said, I st I'll ll prefer the Friedman. More transparency, rage and balls

Thanks for the info dude. I am dealing with this now. I just bought the AX8. It's been a real pain just find a good tone. I absolutely agree with you on a wood cab. Have looked at the Engl, orange an Marshall 2 12 cabs. Also dealing with reackmount amp vs head. Like the BE 100. I bought the AX8 so I wouldn't have to spend 2 to 3 grand on a head plus a cab. Going to back off for a bit and let the sound come to me... Thanks again

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

doug hitty my pleasure! I would STRONGLY recommend the Friedman ASC 12. Balls and transparency for days

I agree with everything you say. Dialling in a sound goes through many procedures. We spend so much time creating a great sound and then put it through a horrible speaker. The one thing that doesn't make sense to me is this: After spending a lot of time dialling in the right sound through a great FRFR speaker for our own stage sound, what about FOH? For example, we send Output 1 to FOH (AXE FX) and Output to to our monitor. So after all that work we've done, our FOH sound is most likely going to - two plastic speakers!! So the work pays off when we hear ourselves onstage, but FOH is still going to plastic PA speakers with a shitty sound! It's like, as guitar players, we can't solve everything! I'm sure some FOH speakers are made of wood but most of the pubs I play at that have in house PAs, have flown plastic FOH speakers! What do we do then? We'll always have a great onstage sound but not a great FOH sound - and though the FOH guy can EQ our sound, we're actually only solving half the problem!

great video just completely confused.. if 2 cabs are frfr they should sound the same right? or at least pretty close given the different builds.. the mission and Friedman sounded vastly different.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

tanza14 Thank you, I'm glad you like the video. I totally agree with you as well. They all sound different even though a lot of them claim to be full range flat response. Check out this video of me comparing each cab to my direct recorded tone. Let me know what you think kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5iXxqqNpsqpf7A.html

@p.c.1019

6 жыл бұрын

tanza14 I’m with you. Plus, if all eq levels aren’t set flat across the board, isn’t the tone being colored from the get? It’s super subjective. I’ll say this...the Mission and Friedman are likely the easiest to dial in, because of the r&d, and quality. You’re starting from a good scratch. Great video tho. Much appreciated. Kinda wish you would have said which ones got you closest to a hassle-free transition in a studio/live. Gotta guess it’s the Mission/Friedman? Thanks for the vid.

This is good stuff man

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

WholeLottaBulldog THANK YOU! I'm glad you like it. Much more to come

The Gemini and the Line 6 sounded best to me. I use the L2t at home and as a monitor or an amp at gigs. It's heavy but I think I will stick with it.

Has anyone tried the Laney frfr112? How does it compare to the others

i had a kemper cabinet, n i wish to upgarde to friedman ac12, is that ac12 much better than the kemper cabinet..? 😊

@TONEWARSgearshow

11 ай бұрын

I'd stick with the kab

Really looking forward to trying out the new HeadRush FRFR-112... supposed to be pretty damn good!

@SpectorEuro4

3 жыл бұрын

How'd you like it

Is the headrush frfr okay for homeplay? Why didnt you use it to compare here? Couldve been educational

Great video, thanks (and subscribed!) I’m just starting to learn about these new gen multi effects boards. My last one was a Boss ME something from 2004. Now I play a mark v with full pedal board set up. What are your thoughts on getting rid of the pedal board but running a helix or fractal into a Mesa amp using 4CM?

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for subscribing! Regarding your question, go for it. I run my helix via 4cm with my Synergy rig. It switches everything and gives me great fx.

@howardronan1339

2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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@howardronan1339

2 жыл бұрын

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@howardronan1339

2 жыл бұрын

@Dakota Layne it worked and I finally got access to my account again. I'm so happy:D Thanks so much you saved my ass!

Thanks for the video, I leally liked it. I'm pondering a Friedman ASM-12 with Ace-FX III going along with a Majesty Monarchy. Given the concerns that you've addressed in the video, does this sound like a reasonable platform? I am specifically asking in terms of the actual FRFR model choice for and the modeller. Thanks!

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

TheToneZone the Friedman will be a perfect match for you. Transparency, punch, headroom and clarity

@michalmikolajmaslowski3994

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for your reply. I hate to be asking, but how would you view it relative to a Gemini Wedge (if you have had the pleasure of using the latter), tonally speaking? Entirely subjectively speaking from my angle here, I find a lot more pronounced sparkle, or the high-end in the Gemini when compared to the Friedman in question. Thanks for your time, and keep on rocking!

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

TheToneZone you're very welcome. They are both fantastic products. If you play modern metal, djent, prog and heavier type stuff, the Friedman would be more what you are looking for. If you're playing more classic or blues or jazz then go with the mission.

@michalmikolajmaslowski3994

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Any info on the Tech 21 Powe Engine Deuce Deluxe?

Do you run your impulse responses into the Friedman/Mission cabs? If so, why? Wouldn't that be like having a large cup of coffee, then you put a smaller cup of coffee inside the bigger cup before you will drink it?

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

The Law I use ownhammer ir's. And I tried bypassing the ir and it sounds like static mixed with aids.

Last year my band played a lot of shows until the virus, my friends and family complained not about my playing but about my tone I was using a Headrush powered speaker, as I had time off from work I made some adjustments to the hi and lo cut of the speaker cabs in my Helix not sure if it helped because I haven't played out, the band I was in would get pissed if I plugged into the house so I only did a few times, I got a Katana ii and there is a amp input for guitar processors, is there anything else I can try? love this channel

have you ever tested the yamaha dxr10?

Very informative. The Mission Gemini sounded the best and most transparent IMO. Have you tried the Headrush 108 or 112? Would be interesting to hear those compared to the Gemini.

Hey man, that was a great video! What do you recommend for people that own the helix and are only using it for home recording purposes. I’m looking for a monitor that will give me the flat response that sounds exactly like what the helix should be producing but I don’t need lots of volume I just need accuracy

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad you like the video. For home recording, I would recommend a really good pair of powered studio speakers. If you want a cab, the Friedman ASC 12 is very accurate and punchy

@PDXguitarfreak

5 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks bro, I appreciate the response back. The Friedman's look like a great product, but probably more than I need, and probably more geared toward live applications (I think, but correct me if wrong... then again, perhaps that was the point of your response). Have you been hearing about any specific studio monitors that are well suited for FRFR?

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

@@PDXguitarfreak you're welcome. Regarding the studio monitors, what's your budget?

@PDXguitarfreak

5 жыл бұрын

I'd love to spend $600, but I know that's pretty limiting... perhaps $800. After doing more research today, I'm thinking about a pair of Yamaha HS8's which would put me at around $700 new.

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

@@PDXguitarfreak KRK is another good choice

Just out of curiosity what do you think about the gemini 2 over the matrix 212 frfr?

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Justin Armbruster great question. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to try out the matrix yet. I will soon though.

Thanks for this video. The difference between the expensive and inexpensive speakers is stark. Are you saying that when you dial in what you’re looking for on a true FRFR at home, then that tone will transfer accurately to FOH (subject to minor tweaks)?

@TONEWARSgearshow

3 жыл бұрын

That is correct

I have a question. What is Line6 L3M “reference setting?” And Line6 L3M “ele guitar setting?” The “ele guitar settting” sounds lightyears better than reference setting. How do we get that kind of setting? Thanks this video has helped alot.

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

The settings are on the back.of the speaker

So which do you find gives you a reference sound? I’m assuming it’s the Mission Gemini? I say this because to my ears all the others sounded, well, not so good. Great video and yes, you need a speaker that will translate to accurate FOH unless you are just going to mic the cab.

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

I found the Friedman to be the closest

If your not using the same speakers as the studio your going to have to tweak your settings. Good video, it shows that even frfr speakers all color your sound differently. Same as guitar speakers.

How do you feel about the powercab ? I pulled the trigger on a kemp head and remote even though I been using helix but I’m going to need a frfr being I have been using the helix 4cm with a tube amp. Also, have you used the kemper with a tube amp? Like going in the amp effects return to utilize the power amp section?

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

I think the kemper sounds best when he run it through a tube power Amp and real cab. It shines big time. I actually think the power cab is a decent unit. That said, the Kemper Kab is more suitable for the kemper because of the features that it has. It sounds really good as well. Keep in mind it's not powered though.

@juanvaldez5422

4 жыл бұрын

TONE WARS do you think it sounds ok ran through the power section of a tube amp via effects return then into cab? Thanks for responding . Nobody in KZread , but you and a few, talk any about how to actually route the kemper or the helix

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

@@juanvaldez5422 no problem. Yeah it sounds great if you run it thru the return of an amp head

I was very impressed with this sound test. I feel very nervous, because I'm about to purchase a Helix LT , but I still have my Marshall MG 102 CFX and don't know how it's gonna sound or if I should connect the Helix to the return loop effect and switch off the cab block. Now I know for sure that a I need an FRFR speaker like the Line 6 Powercab 112, but It will have to wait, since I live in Chile and they are quite expensive 😟. Have you ever test a Headrush 112 BTW????

Tone Wars, is it possible to run 2 studio monitors and a Friedman ASM12 at the same time? I have monitors but I am also interested in the Friedman, I do like to have a stereo image.

@joeriley5633

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry forgot to mention I meant with a Helix.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Joe Riley yes you can. There's several optiins. 1/4" out to monitors XLR to friedman

What was the cab sim you were using? That's what is really important here. How accurately does the FRFR reproduced the cab that is being simulated

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

I believe I was using an IR from the Ownhammer HHVII series. The Friedman definitely presents the difference cab sims very well

The room acoustics play a really big roles in the differences between home and live/studio usage.

What do you think, both home and gigs: FRFR 112 or 212? Thanks !

@TONEWARSgearshow

Жыл бұрын

I'd go 212 and tube poweramp

nice video dude!

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

kinotorres thank you

Hey man thanks for this video. Can i ask you 2 questions? The Behringer b215a is an active pa speaker, right? Can i connect my multi effects unit straight into something like the Behringer B215A?

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. Regarding your questions...yes and yes

@OM-et4qj

5 жыл бұрын

@@TONEWARSgearshow thank you very much. Have a great day and stay safe.

If you're trying to decide what to buy, you might consider getting a used Atomic Reactor. They make 2 tube-based FRFR models - the 112 and the 50-watt version. I had the 112 (18 watts) and sold it for the 50-watt version, primarily because the 50 watt version has more features. (I'm not a professional and 18 watts is loud enough to play with a drummer, so I didn't need the additional power.) Another option is the Laney IRT-X. This is designed to be an "expansion" cabinet for your existing amplifier, but it is FRFR and can be used stand-alone. It has some nice features and can sometimes be gotten used on eBay/Reverb. (I paid < $250 for mine.)

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. I've been trying to get my hands on the Atomic. Hopefully I will soon. Great advice!!

Great video, playing starts at 13:40

Gemini sounds awesome (personally I would dial out a bit of the WOOF) but at $1700 USD ... WOW !! That said, I wish you had an Alto in there since that is also a popular FRFR in the lower price range. I was surprised the Behringer did as well as it did considering the price difference from the Gemini

@sjsphotog

6 жыл бұрын

Yes can you do a LOW PRICE shootout as my budget is

@prsplayer210

5 жыл бұрын

I own the Headrush and my father in law owns the Mission gemini, we both like the Headrush better, and it costs 299$

The Behringer sounds the best. Cheers.

Nice...But... What amp are you using the drive these speakers?

@SCgrad98

3 жыл бұрын

All of the speakers are powered.

I finally pulled the trigger on the one that I like. Thanks again for this video. I refer people to it all the time. Before I was building patches with IEMs or phones. Now I can actually hear the difference between each of the amps. Before they all sounded the same.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Eric Smith my pleasure! What frfr did you end up with?

Silly question: would it make sense to take a reference track (Bohemian Rhapsody, Jesus of Suburbia, Master of Puppets, what have you, something that everyone is familiar with) and line-in it into each speaker? Shouldn't it demonstrate the flatness of each speaker in a similar manner to how people are testing studio monitors and headphones?

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

That could be an option for sure. Some FRFR cabs only have XLR inputs though. Which may make it more difficult to do.

@ExplicableCashew

5 жыл бұрын

@@TONEWARSgearshow Thanks for answering! I actually looked around for a video like this and couldn't find it...

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

@@ExplicableCashew my pleasure!!!

Great video. What about a high quality PA speaker enclosed in a Baltic Birch cabinet?

Hi, I have a Gemini 1 and I find it’s distorting if the master on the helix is turned up. Is that clipping? I wouldn’t have expected that as I thought it was powerful. Where do you run your master on your helix into the frfr?

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Steve Kay sorry to hear that. I typically have my volume at 12:00. That does sound like a clipping issue.

@SteveKay77

6 жыл бұрын

TONE WARS The problem I face is I need to have the master up to full for the pa to get a decent signal. So obviously this is making the speaker clip on the mission, is there a way of having less volume go through one xlr output than the other one?

I'm using a QSC K12.2 for my FRFR set to studio monitor. I am also new to the helix. At first the sound was way off, but reading, reading, reading... Found out I had to cut the lows around 100 and the highs around 8. I was told this is because a normal guitar amp speaker would never produce those frequencies, so if you don't cut them out, it sounds like crap. It's better, but still needs more work.

Mission Gemini 2 sounded the best to my ears then the Friedman.

Need a update, what about the line6 power cab 112 plus or the headrush 112 I'm only concerned about clear and accurate sounding in the room for practice-

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting. I will get that done for you ASAP!!

@RichardLuna2025

5 жыл бұрын

@@TONEWARSgearshow Thank you, I started playing guitar later in life and it m still using my spider jam. I watched this video when you first released it and it was very helpful because I wanted to get a kemper- So thank you for explaining what frfr speakers are, because I had no idea what my next step was going to be in the bottomless pit $$$$$ of the tone chasing game. You saved me alot of money. The kemper and gemini are wonderful but I went with the line 6 and a headrush pedal, I hope the search is over! 😁

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

@@RichardLuna2025 I'm glad you found what works for you!! Thanks for the kind words too. By the way, I'm uploading an episode today about the digital platform rabbit hole. I hope you enjoy that as well. Happy New Year

Sorry, this really isn't my area. What are we listening to here? Is the Freidman and the Gemini actual guitar speakers, and the rest are a mix of ABS PA speakers, and flat response guitar amplifiers? And if I'm sort of on the right track here... The cab sims are off with the actual guitar cab, right? How are they being powered, through a flat response reference amplifier? Again, this really isn't what I know anything about, so if I've completely got this wrong, I apologize. Or is the Freidman and the Gemini a flat response guitar speaker?

we need an updated version with the laney lfr-212 and lfr-112 any other frfr cab since 2017 when this was made....and then the frfr celestion speakers in a 2x12 and 4x12 cabinet also would be nice

So, I have a Kemper 600W powered head & just recently learned about FRFR technology. I'm looking to get a new 2x12 cabinet. Either a Splawn vertical 2x12 with creamback Celestions, a Mission 2x12 FRFR cab or a Headrush FRFR Floor cab for $300. What do you suggest & why? The Mission is good, but it's fucking $1600 lol.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

aic92581 have you tried the Friedman ASC 12?

What do you think of Splawn cabinets? I don't believe they offer FRFR speakers/cabs, but I've heard good things about their designs. I own a Kemper and am considering either a Headrush FRFR or a Splawn vertical 2x12 with Celestion Creambacks. Mission is so fucking expensive. $1600? I just spent $2600 on the powered Kemper lol. Please let me know your thoughts.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Greg Capra I appreciate your question. I haven't tried the splawn vertical cab. If you want a really good FRFR option, I would suggest the Friedman ASC 12.

@gregcapra4868

5 жыл бұрын

www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/friedman-asm-12-active-amp-modeler-profiler-monitor/j25313000000000?pfm=item_page.rr1|ClickEV

@gregcapra4868

5 жыл бұрын

Are you on Facebook by any chance? The reason I ask is because I've narrowed down my next cabinet purchase between the new LINE 6 POWER CAB 1x12 & the SPLAWN VERTICAL 2x12. One conclusion I've come to is that (for example) if you own a KEMPER & have Cabinet Emulation turned on & then have your cabinet mic'd, it has a 99% chance of sounding like shit. Based on the profiles you have stored & programmed in your Kemper will determine how rich or shrill-sounding they are. The 2nd half of the tone battle is EQ'ing those respective profiles to the best of your ability & preference. From my personal experience as a performing guitarist & musician, if you have Cabinet Emulation (the Cabinet button on your Kemper) TURNED ON & you're plugged into a PHYSICAL CABINET & that Cabinet is MIC'd, you're profiles & overall tone is most likely going to sound like SHIT LOL! So, suggestions: Choose 1-10 of the most useful, rich-sounding clean, over-driven & distorted profiles. Save & assign them accordingly via Rig Manager & to your Profiler Remote (Floorboard). Whether playing @ home or live on stage: If you have CABINET turned on (CABINET BUTTON LED LIGHT IS ON) & you're connected to a physical 1x12 / 2x12 / 4x12 / FRFR > TURN THE CABINET BUTTON OFF & NOTICE IMMEDIATELY HOW MUCH BETTER, FULLER & CLEARER YOUR PROFILES SOUND. The CABINET button makes sense to turn on when you aren't connected to a Cabinet & you are practicing with headphones on. Then it will give you that "AMP IN THE ROOM SOUND." I want to personally thank TONE WARS because if it weren't for this video, I wouldn't have been enlightened on the concept & technology of FRFR (FULL RANGE, FLAT RESPONSE) speakers & acoustics. MY FINAL QUESTION TO THOSE READING THIS: I'm torn between purchasing the LINE 6 POWER CAB 1x12 & the SPLAWN VERTICAL 2x12. The 2x12 has 2 speakers (obviously), heavy duty handles, takes up less space in your room & on stage & has Celestion Creambacks. The Line 6 Powercab 1x12 "Does for cabinet emulation what the Kemper does for amp profiling" in that it has 5-10 profiled speakers. Sorry if this was a long post, but hopefully this will be helpful to those reading & maybe I'll get suggestions to the future purchase I intend to make. Happy Reading & Rock on Ya'll!! facebook.com/gcapra81

What a difference between the Friedman and the Line6 and Mackie. No wonder sound engineers would be puzzled.

I'm more intrigued by the Tech21 Power Engine Deuce Deluxe with 1x12", on/off tweeter, wood build, rear breathing ports, HPF/LPF, 3EQ. anyone else try it?

frfr cabs work well with stand alone plug ins as well?

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't tried that yet. In theory though it should work

What would be a good portable speaker option for traveling? I am looking for an small speaker to use with my Kemper Stage when I go away for a weekend to my cabin or jam with friends in a small room. This would not be my main rig. I was looking at the Bose S1 or JBL EON One Compact. I like how they would be a dual threat for an acoustic guitar too. Is this an option worth considering? I play as low as drop A#. Thank you

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

Hello Michael, great question. I would 100% recommend to Friedman ASC 10. It's very small compared to bigger cabs and it only weighs just over 30 lbs. It sounds just as good as the bigger asc-12 version.

@michaelstewart2437

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. This cab could also be used with gigging with a drummer in a band not going direct? I imagine it would also be better for programming my Kemper vs my single EV PA speaker? Do these cabs do vocals too when plugged into a board? Thanks again

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelstewart2437 you're welcome. Depending on how loud your drummer plays, this will keep up with him no problem. it's made for a personal monitor for you. You definitely don't want to mic it for the front of house. For FOH, I would go direct. I would absolutely recommend dialing in your sounds with this particular cab. It's very flat and we'll give you a true representation of your tone. I've never put vocals through it but I sure that they will sound good enough for you to use as a map to get through the show and to know where you're at with each song

@michaelstewart2437

4 жыл бұрын

TONE WARS The Kemper Kab should also be interesting too I suppose. Something tells me the Friedman is the Cadillac though.

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelstewart2437 as far as I know, the new Kemper cab is not powered yet. I could be wrong about that though. So far, based on my experience, the Friedman ASC 10 and asc-12 are the best

Thank you for this. Transparency, accuracy, and repeatability MATTER! For all the marketing towards pretengineers and guitar players, all the audiophile psuedoscience nonsense and myths designed to separate you and your wallet from reason, having as flat a base as possible to start with will allow you to make decisions with actual predictability.

@pipelineaudio

6 жыл бұрын

Oops, should have listened to the whole thing before commenting. You went right off the flat earth deepend

Hey nice Dream Theater t-shirt. Petrucci and DT are my fave. The Astonishing tour show was un-freaking! believeable. Superb sound, visuals and lighting show to say the least. One of the best shows I saw. Not their best album and not my fave but a great show. DT forever!

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Stephen Soukup I'm a total DT nerd. JP is my boy!! You're correct, that tour was amazing. I was leaning on the stage 3 feet away from Petrucci the whole night. We did the meet and greet as well. I'll never forget that night.

would you recommend Headrush speakers?

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Greg, thanks for your question. I would definitely not recommend the Headrush. I did a shoot out with it on my channel a few months ago and it failed miserably

The line 6 played through the line 6 link with helix is better I think that’s how I run mine cheers great video bro

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! The line 6 speakers are definitely pretty good in PA mode.

@bailey12444

5 жыл бұрын

TONE WARS I love the sound of the mission , I would like to see it vs the atomic clr

One thing that would be interesting is to see how close you can dial in say...the Mackie Thump 12 to the Friedman. Many people who can’t afford a high end FRFR might be able to borrow one and “tone match” it...🤷🏻‍♂️

Question: so which of the cabs would you say is actually the most accurate? Because at the end of the video, you say that's the most important point, and that some of them didn't sound bad, but weren't accurate. So which of them is accurate, and the most colorless?

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

I would say that the Friedman was the most accurate and sounded the best

@tobster80

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Very interesting comparison video!

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

@@tobster80 my pleasure. Thanks for watching and commenting

I would simply bring whatever amp or powered speaker I used at home to the gig/studio. Simply use one that has enough power, or if necessary get it mic'ed up at the gig along with the other instruments, amps, etc

IMO the Mission sounded best but I realize that's not the point. Best doesn't always equate to accurate depending on how your unit is dialed in. Also sounding best would be subjective. Understanding that this is the point of this video I'm betting either it or the Friedman were the most transparent. I think it would be interesting to see each cab tested with a spectrum analyzer, each cab having pink noise run through them, same can position, same mic positioning and same DB level. Also it would be interesting to see if a cab could be made more accurate using the same procedure with a graphic EQ. If so then you could say this cab sounds like crap because it's mids are exaggerated in this range etc

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Tom White hey Tom, thanks for commenting. I really like what you said here. I would love to see analytics for these cabs/monitors as well. Like you, I want the most transparent FRFR cab I can get. Here's a video that I posted comparing my direct recorded tone to the cabs. Let me know what you think. kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5iXxqqNpsqpf7A.html

To my ears, coming from valves and standard cabinets, Behringer sounds really good

Yeah, the Gemini seems to sound very real. Does it translate very well/with a lot of accuracy? I thought that and the friedman were my favorites, but the Friedman seems to have so much midrange.

@TONEWARSgearshow

4 жыл бұрын

They are both great products. Out of the two, I definitely prefer the Friedman though. in my humble opinion, the friedmen represented my direct recorded tone the best

@TheVigilantStewards

4 жыл бұрын

@@TONEWARSgearshow Oh really!? Good to know, thank you. From what I could tell online I thought the gemini was more transparent. I'd prefer the simpler of the two and more accurate sounding, but also the one that is most fun to play in the room

I get where you are coming from with the wood vs plastic but, two things: what are studio monitors made out of? what are most pa speakers made out of? I just want to make sure my Helix sounds good live at church through the house system, which is NOT a guitar cab. I want to sound good through studio monitors and venue house systems. I don't really care how accurate the sound is to "amp cab." And thus far, by dialing in my tones on my studio monitors, I've been very please with them live, and found my tones translate very well. I'm ordering an Alto TS210 which again is a PA style speaker, yes. But thats fine because I want my tones to sound good through a PA, not through a wooden guitar style cab. Does that make any sense? What are your thoughts on that?

@marcelblade

6 жыл бұрын

Marc Tempesta exactly my thoughts on the subject, I want to to get as close as possible to the sound coming out of the Pa.

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Marc Tempesta Marc Tempesta thank you for your response. Studio monitors (especially good, hi quality flat ones) are certainly a good choice. The only things they lack are balls size of sound. Just try not to overcompensate for those things and you'll be fine. That said, I wouldn't recommend dialing in your tone thru the Alto ts 210's. Use them only as a playing reference. Always dial in with flat speakers, always. If it sounds good through a flat speaker, it will sound good everywhere unless the speakers you're playing through are junk. This way, your tone will not be the culprit, it will be the speaker that you're playing through. If you cook fish in a Pan and without cleaning it, immediately cook pancakes in it afterwards, what are they going to taste like?

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Marc Tempesta also, most good studio speakers are wood encased. PA speakers? Some wood, some poly.

Those Laney active Cabs are insane check em out

WOW that Line6 FRFR sounded like C-R-A-P and for the $$ they want for it...wow. Great comparison. Im looking for a FRFR for my home hobby use at home (not live/not pro gigs outdoors/not studio) to use with my Line6 Firehawk FX guitar processor for electric and acoustic guitars but am on a tight budget of < $350 so what is the best home/hobby use FRFR out there? any ideas? Better to just use 2 stereo powered monitors? or a cab/wedge PA? thanks for your feedback. B

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

The Line 6 FRFR in reference mode is decent. The guitar mode SUCKS! To your question, if you're on a budget, the Mackie MR6 mk3 studio monitors will work great. They provide great stereo imaging and transparency. You are much better off with the those rather than a substandard wedge. I love mine.You can get them here - www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EA1W1M0/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00EA1W1M0&linkCode=as2&tag=tonewars-20&linkId=a75122b74eb94ce57a2874956ccac058

@alextavera741

6 жыл бұрын

TONE WARS have your tried Yamaha HS7 vs Mackie MR6?

@markpabst7963

5 жыл бұрын

Check on the new Headrush FrFr..... sounds incredible, will work great for you and has the shocking price of only $300. This unit should be going for $799 easy. Check out their website HeadRushfx.com these things are unreal for the price. And they go to 11!

@TONEWARSgearshow

5 жыл бұрын

@@markpabst7963 I just did a shootout with the Headrush a few weeks ago. Check it out

Should call this guy Mr. analogy😉

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Shane Wallace You're not the 1st person who has said that lol. If I was a superhero, I think my name would be "Analogy Man"

You da man 👍

So, given that all of the "FRFR" offerings in the shootout sound VASTLY different, there is obviously coloration across the board. How do you determine where transparency lies?

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Duane Harlick great question. To be totally transparent myself, this wasn't a shootout between FRFR cabs. It was a shootout between FRFR cabs and commonly used monitors. The Friedman and the Gemini cab were the only FRFR cabs in this video. To your great question, use whatever FRFR cab that is closest to your direct studio tone.

@robgroden

6 жыл бұрын

Is the L6 an FRFR?

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Rob Groden no. It's a decent speaker for FOH. If you're gonna use it for FRFR keep it in reference mode. The guitar mode sounds awful. The Friedman is a true FRFR and has balls for days!

@robgroden

6 жыл бұрын

TONE WARS Thanks for the reply. I purchased it thinking it was FRFR as I had seen a ton of people suggest it. I’ve recently started running it in reference mode, I was letting it default to floor monitor mode originally.

@duaneharlick

6 жыл бұрын

This past weekend I spent time developing tones using Bias FX/Bias Amp on my iPad with a great set of multi-driver headphones. I did a gig NYE with the iPad straight to the board (using a DI) and the results were great. So I can see the value in using a "transparent" sound source to develop your tones. That way, they carry over wherever you end up using them.

I really love the Mission Gemini I would have already bought one if i could get it from zzounds the can finance for me But ill eventually have one awesome video Jarrod

@TONEWARSgearshow

6 жыл бұрын

Mike Francis thank you!