Have you ever burned money in the cloud? Please, do tell 👇

@codingperks

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@kandy1249

3 жыл бұрын

Nope.

@NicolaiWeitkemper

3 жыл бұрын

I'm getting 100$ a month worth of AWS credits for my Alexa skills, which means that I *print* money in the cloud on a regular basis, in a way. :P

@igornowicki29

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, I've spent about 600$ on AWS by just starting and forgetting about cloud service. Thankfully, customer service sent back to me all the money.

@mabroorahmad2182

3 жыл бұрын

Just applied for my credit card thanks for warning..........

I immediately checked my cloud dashboard after looking at that bill

@desunistallerinc

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, me too, I have a free tier in AWS

@JayronWhitehaus

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my God me too every single time I watch this video.

@jonasprechtl9837

3 жыл бұрын

I too looked at my Azure cost management

@ITech2005

3 жыл бұрын

lol Yeah i always check it when i log in and have an alarm set

@ITech2005

3 жыл бұрын

Ive heard a few horror stories but they usually give you credit

do ✍🏼 not ✍🏼 create ✍🏼 infinite ✍🏼 loops ✍🏼 in ✍🏼 the ✍🏼 cloud

@TheoParis

3 жыл бұрын

XD

@alvydasjokubauskas2587

3 жыл бұрын

This is gold!!!

@vogel2499

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, but on the other hand, forcing user to use credit card is a dick move and must be stopped.

@Black-Dawg-Jesus

3 жыл бұрын

@@vogel2499 This. You should have the option for a pre-paid service aka "once your account runs out of money, you're informed that your services have stopped and will continue to run after you've added more money to your balance." Especially in countries where credit card aren't a thing. I e.g. live in Germany and here we have debit cards (aka you cannot go lower than 0€ in your bank account which is much more preferable in my opinion) and really only a handful of people have credit cards. And ordering one just so I'll be able to use cloud services is just ridicolous.

@YashasLokesh287

3 жыл бұрын

@@Black-Dawg-Jesus I see the option to add debit cards on AWS, Azure, and GCP

Fun fact : Cloud Overflow = Bank Account Underflow

@barmetler

3 жыл бұрын

If that means that I have $9,223,372,036,854,775,807 on my bank account, then hell yeah

@MazeFrame

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if you can f*** up so bad an official from your bank shows up in the middle of the night...

@Simtoonia

3 жыл бұрын

Or, rather, underflow 😂

@TheHerobrineKiller

3 жыл бұрын

@@Simtoonia nah, overflow, because when it hit the 32bit integer limit it automatically go down to the negative limit

@geroffmilan3328

3 жыл бұрын

Mb Cash Heap Underflow...? 😁

One of my major fears while learning cloud. There should be a limit for how much you spend on the services, but I think no provider has this as a configuration.

@Fireship

3 жыл бұрын

They do actually, but it's not as simple as it should be. I talk about it in the video :)

@scottmarshall8446

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard many tales about people forgetting to turn a demo project off but all of them just contacted their cloud providers (GCP & AWS, not sure about Azure) and all them replied "np" and cancelled their billing - Still I really want to watch this video asap. Great content as usual man!

@BerenES

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fireship which you have not published yet!

@TheXambitoGames

3 жыл бұрын

If you forgot something you can call your provider and request a refund. Yes, it works!

@lardosian

3 жыл бұрын

AWS provide it as well

I'm so glad we're on premise. We recently had a problem in production because we loaded thousands of records into memory by mistake, spinning up CPU and RAM usage. This made some customers unhappy because they couldn't use our service, but imagine this happening in the cloud. Unhappy customers AND a bill for useless work done!

@rickytorres9089

8 ай бұрын

You still paid for the hardware wear and tear, you still paid for the electric, cooling, any networking costs, etc. It just feels good because the bill isn't lumped into "here all your compute, storage, etc usages now pay us".

@hariseldon02

8 ай бұрын

@@rickytorres9089 But it's also a natural barrier since we could only use up the resources we physically have. While cloud providers have cost and scaling caps, it's easy to configure them wrong. One misclick and you spin up hundreds of instances.

@peileed

8 ай бұрын

​@@rickytorres9089it feels good because that mistake probably cost them a few cents

@dhupee

8 ай бұрын

​@@rickytorres9089welp, all method has pros and cons

@vinylSummer

7 ай бұрын

​@@rickytorres9089there's basically no CPU/RAM wear, so there's at least that

My first experience with cloud computing was with a simple GCP windows machine that had set rules (I explicitly set it to NOT grow, to avoid cost). It fit well into the free trial, so I just let it be. I deleted the machine after 6 months (out of 12 for free trial) and never really used GCP again. Then I got a bill for 50$ for a machine I didn't even have access to (because it got deleted), and only thing their support said is to tell my bank to block it. Nice

@qureshizaid

2 жыл бұрын

It's not 24 hours a day for 12 months, Compute Instances have a limited free trial time by hours. And just by reading 6 months, I am pretty sure you exhausted that free time limit of Compute Engine.

@anudeeparkala

8 ай бұрын

😊 😊

Sorry to keep you waiting, please grab a free sticker in the meantime. EDIT sold out!

@shelby255

3 жыл бұрын

:D

@harsh9558

3 жыл бұрын

Ok :p

@penguin2251

3 жыл бұрын

@@harsh9558 Afaik we don't have teleportation technology as of now so you will have to wait a bit for the sticker to arrive, lol.

3 жыл бұрын

Is EU supported 🤔?

@Fireship

3 жыл бұрын

@ Yes, worldwide!

Maybe it happened to google today, they were down for an hour!

@asandax6

3 жыл бұрын

I think they were fixing a hack or databreech but I still need to get some details.

@lardosian

3 жыл бұрын

@@asandax6 They should clean out all those Asian girl bots in comments as well, they are everywhere.

@asandax6

3 жыл бұрын

@@lardosian And those bots with sexy lingerie

Yes, I did burn money in the google coud, 5600$ bill in 4 hours - was attached by a scraping bot and thanks google cloud they understood and "reset" the bill

Awesome. As a frugal freelance dev, cost is one things that I gotta watch out for. Thanks @Fireship

This is the reason why I am using good old VPS with monthly fixed pricing.

@JSaretin

3 жыл бұрын

So true

@karimbenhassen2227

Ай бұрын

You can sleep without thinking of your cloud bill as well

6:00 It's interesting 69k/71k of the budget was related to Firestore reads pricing, whereas if we compare it to Oracle NoSQL database a 116B reads would cost around 287$ (99.5$ cheaper than Firestore reads pricing). Which means if Oracle is able to commercially sell these reads with such a price and gets a profit from it the actual cost is even much less, meaning when GCP takes this billing it loses almost nothing.

@mamneo2

Жыл бұрын

Incroyable.

I had a hacker rack up around 32k on my behalf on AWS a couple years ago. Not fun. Gladly Amazon believed me and credited my account.

@jochen_schueller

2 жыл бұрын

this explains why their pricing in general is so much above classic hosting providers like hetzner etc - I don't think those cheap provider would be that customer friendly if I would forget to delete an expensive server for a long time.

Somehow you always know exactly what I’m researching and come out with a perfectly explained video on it. Thank you sir

Using Cloud Overflow now!

made me go double check my aws billing dashboard... just in case

@JayronWhitehaus

3 жыл бұрын

lol! I just did the same on firebase hahaha

There should be a feature like simulating the cloud run functions or some other services to catch errors before deploying to production and in this Artificial intelligence might help to catch up errors early than an average person would.

@alii4334

2 жыл бұрын

write test units!

@mamneo2

Жыл бұрын

​@@alii4334 Incroyable.

@unflexian

4 ай бұрын

but you need to run the code to see the errors, and the code takes google cloud levels of computing to run... you can't simulate it without running it, that's the actual halting problem...

@abhishekdas2512

3 ай бұрын

@@unflexian I agree.

This has actually terrified me into never playing with anything on the cloud.

Something I just cannot wrap my head around is WHY you would use a cloud service in the first place if you don't need the instant scalability. Heck, you might use your MBP or a Raspberry Pi at first and when your project starts out and you need to deliver a page quickly, just use a couple of geo-located VPS instead. However I think I might be trapped in an old mindset here - I'd be really happy to hear why you would use the cloud in what I think is 95% of the use-cases. It just seems utterly expensive for what it is.

@honkhonk8009

2 жыл бұрын

I used the cloud in my minecraft game cus my dad was paranoid about port forwarding

@ribbonmusha

Ай бұрын

It might be because it is easier, and also can be started free. I suppose no one would want to run the database on their laptop and let it run everyday, or not anyone has a PC that can run it everyday, or not anyone had/would bought a spare device for it. Sorry for my bad English.

Just an addition to the topic of leaked IAM Keys: GitHub nowadays has a "scanner" which scrans every commit for known Keys (e.g. IAM) and immediately disables this key by telling AWS (this literally happens in less than a minutes) and sending you a mail that you f***ed up. I only know this for AWS but I guess that they also have this mechanism for e.g. GCP and Azure :)

@electricz3045

2 жыл бұрын

Azure for sure as GitHub and azure are both from Microsoft.

Never ever ever hardcode your API key values in your code, even for one second. You will probably forget and check the code in. Use environment variables or cloud secret managers.

@SUPABROS

2 жыл бұрын

i just gitignore everything

@feritperliare2890

2 жыл бұрын

@@SUPABROS what exactly do you have on the git than?

@_imawesome

Жыл бұрын

@@feritperliare2890 maybe only .gitignore 😂

@feritperliare2890

Жыл бұрын

@@_imawesome nah the gitignore is on his personal computer doesn’t go up maybe he put a read me accidentally

@mamneo2

Жыл бұрын

Incroyable.

That's why dedicated servers are better for messing around :)

Or you could just get a cloud server instance and connect to that for a fixed monthly cost that's independent of use. It might not be the most optimal for large scale applications or certain workflows, but if you're learning, testing, or just hosting small scale projects, it works perfectly fine. I have a handful of small apps that I deploy through Docker on an EC2 instance.

Dear Fireship, THANK YOU for this PSA, from the bottom of my paranoid heart.

I've been binging your videos, thank you so much.

The reason I am always almost on my wits end when on AWS.😅 most basic thing is I always makes notes of service I started and access so that I won't forget it later on so that I don't need to see that uncanny bill.

@anandakumarsanthinathan4740

2 жыл бұрын

Good idea. You still need to be careful. Behind the scene so many provisioning happens for which you may be billed. For example, if you create a managed instance group as a backend service for a load-balancer, then a network endpoint group gets created automatically behind the scene. You may delete the backend service later, but the NEG doesn't get deleted automatically.

Keep up these top tier videos mate! Cheers

We had a similar issue with AWS where a hacker got hold of one of an old emplyees api keys and setup a load of lambda functions. By the time it was noticed our bill was $15,000 for just a few weeks. Thankfully in the end Amazon refunded the whole lot, but it wasn't easy and was very scary. Protect your API keys like your life depends on it and regularly switch them out and clear out unused ones.

consistently impressed by the quality of your videos! one of the best programming channels on yt

@Fireship is a trully film director ! made me feel like I was watching a spy movie from 1:30 hahaha !

my firebase bill this month was a whipping $0.03 hahaha

Thank you for making technical subjects interesting.

"cloud overflow" is a useful coinage, thanks for that

Congrats on 500k 🎉 🎊

great stuff, thanks for the heads up

This is a valuable info !

best web dev video of the year

You talk about disasters in cloud while in the same day pretty much every google service was down for 1 hour

@Fireship

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly the way I planned it!

@yunger7

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Fireship 👀👀👀

I was doing a project on aws and I am happy I found this video before starting to use the cloud lol

@Haru-iu8bm

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so scared after watching this

Thanks to Fireship I've built a decent enough startup which can work on its own Appreciate the free schooling dude.

That’s why I use my own dedicated servers...

I made one in firestore. A document needed to be updated based on values in an update. I hadn't taken into account an old client, which would result in a calculation turning out to be NAN. One and a half hours later, with a SINGLE old client causing this, $40 was used. This could have escalated like a nut, if I hadn't seen it by random luck.

That time I accidentally deleted a whole kubernetes cluster instead of a single node pool on Google Cloud. It was scary how easy it was to delete it automatically. Thankfully it was a test cluster and it took only 2 days to restore it completely from scratch. But my face when I realized that I did it and that there was no turning back :D

wow super cool! I read an article about this specific event yesterday

5:00 I think a better term is a recursive call. Technically it is an infinite loop (since there's always a main event loop somewhere), but an infinite loop is more conventionally a while or for loop that never ends.

@MshTch

2 ай бұрын

No it's not. A recursive call is when a function is calling itself without a termination condition, and infinite loop is when a data structure doesn't have a condition that fulfills to terminate the cycle.

I made a mistake when using AWS gamelift during my bachelor assignment two years ago: i forgot a fleet running a game instance. I got $150 bill, but after contacting them it was deleted. Very good service, I can highly recommend AWS. 👌

I love burning money

@tkdevlop

3 жыл бұрын

Yea especially *investors*

@fabian2314

3 жыл бұрын

burn it on me

At a convention, I was talking to a Microsoft employee, he was apparently a higher-up. He accidentally racked up a $5,000 bill just playing around in Azure. He talked to his boys and got the bill removed. All kinda scary!

Man, I'm laughing all the way through! Awesome video! :)

I recently read an history about this topic. Creepy things can happen in the cloud 💀

@mastermaniacx1164

3 жыл бұрын

And your bank account too 💀

Didnt know about Budget Actions, thx!

Thanks for reminding me about the billing :D I am on AWS free tier and using it over one month but just realized that I have 0.62$ charge.

I appreciate the The Office clips you put in there 😂

Good to hear how recursive function to not only hard to understand but can also cause disasters like this

Jeff: I'm gonna go ahead an wrap things up there. My brain: Nooooo! It's never enough, your content gold, you wonderful person, you!

"which is a brand new word I just coined" 😂

In fear of cloud overflow, I've been using compute engine mostly. It looks like its a flat rate, and using it is almost like using a raspberry pi.

thank you for the tips

Thank you. This video has caused me to paranoid check my AWS, Azure, and Firebase billings...

I accidentally did this, but to a much lower level. It was still surprising to see my bill go from the usual $5 to $500 though

google and amazon really needs to make a tutorial on this

Thanks for reminding me to check my billing accounts 🙏

This has been highly helpful and eye-opening. On not running infinite loops, does it also apply to a while(true) loop that just polls messages, but it does not call another cloud function? Thanks!

Now, I know why time complexity and space complexity is important.

love this REAL story

Thanks!

This is an old video but its noteworthy to add that I was in a similar situation like the startup thankfully they were reasonable enough to refund over 90% of the bill. I am now afraid of touching the cloud again. I still have depts to pay on AWS too

Interesting. I read this story on hacker news a few days ago.

I love the office memes in video.

OMG AWS indeed is sooo expensive. It's almost criminal.

@tikeyike

3 жыл бұрын

Go serverless, we pay peanuts for running Lambda's over EC2's

@arthurg5966

3 жыл бұрын

F***ing Bezos *breaths in

@mr_wormhole

3 жыл бұрын

Go for lightsail VPS, cheapest VPS in the earth after vultr. AWS is indeed the cheapest unless you configure something wrong and expose everything outside

@pulga961

3 жыл бұрын

wrong

@x55554

3 жыл бұрын

@@mr_wormhole Nah hetzner.cloud or scale away are the cheapest hetzner gives you 2gb ram, 20gb ssd, 1 vcpu for 3 € no way to beat that

God I learn so much from your channel, thanks for creating these videos

Thank you for this. As someone interested in cloud computing you made me realise it can get costly very quickly and unintentionally

I understand your suggestion to not make infinite loops, but what if someone is just endlessly computing (with no scaling / explosion of computational complexity as described above) rather than responding to user events? To take an artificial example, let's say I'm just getting a list of prime numbers. So I do while(true) { i++; if(isprime(i)) { log(i); }}. Is there an alternative? I guess I could do batches of numbers, with human intervention in between (e.g. every million iterations, store i, wait until human says proceed), but this doesn't seem to really solve any problem. So... is there a problem with this? And if so, what's the alternative?

The best videos! 🔥

That's why I want the "auto-shutdown" to prevent unintentional bills. But on the other hand, people will just abuse it and not pay. On their perspective, "charge by default, cancel later" is safer option for everyone and forces devs to be more careful.

@Bob-jn8gt

2 жыл бұрын

It’s negligent and abusive for a cloud provider to allow customers to instantly rack up a 6 figure bill. Especially when they market the “free tier.”

@BenRangel

8 ай бұрын

I don't see how you'd abuse it. If you shut down your project before any cost occurs... That's similar to some free tiers like Railway which gives you X free hours per month

Priceless Content

That y in embedded system standard(misra c) doesn't allow recursive functions

I like the word cloud overflow xD

Good job 👍

I burned $6000 on some azure lab machines. We had just achieved gold partner status and I reviewed the estimated cost and it said $0. But I was just in the wrong place looking... Wise by this lesson a few years later I told a colleague to be careful with his Azure subscription. He got himself an enterprise sql Analysis instance. $7000 spent there...

A wise guy once said : " Don't pay for what you use. Pay for what you forgot to use "

@RedStone576

3 жыл бұрын

wait, i still have running minecraft server since 2013 omg what happen next (3am) (gone wrong) (scary)

@jitpackjoyride

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, this is why gym memberships are such a good business model.

I ran a BigQuery search on a publicly hosted dataset just to explore the data and get a feel for it. I kinda gave up after 20-30 mins because the latency/speed was really bad and I'm used to Pandas rather than SQL, so I wasn't really sure of what I was doing. Got a $500 USD bill for search results that never showed up :)

when you've just learnt about recursion and next thing you see is that. 😂

30 years ago I saw a $140k bill for an isdn service. A data connection was calling a wrong number every 2 seconds, with a flagfall tariff.

Hi jeff , can you gather all "firebase" videos into one playlist please?

When I was a newbie I put minimum instances as 1 for 30-40 cloud functions with 1 GB memory 😂 I was raking in $300-400 per day in bill 💸

I've been an Azure customer for 9 years and I have NEVER ONCE jacked up an unintended bill! Very scary but if you're smart, one shouldn't worry too much but just be smart about it!

Salesforce has limits on recursions, so if there are infinite loops, they just roll back the entire transaction and throw an internal error.

@MshTch

2 ай бұрын

every application should have it. poor written apps don't. So hiring cheap developers lead to expensive bad solutions.

TIP #1, don't use cloud but buy VPS instances and manage theme yourself lol

@joelmoreira1546

3 жыл бұрын

That's the most important tip.

@wtam4357

3 жыл бұрын

True .

@ITech2005

3 жыл бұрын

lol good luck with that

@pankajjahagirdar1278

3 жыл бұрын

Tip #0, use localhost

@avibrarbrar

3 жыл бұрын

@@ITech2005 nginx is a life saver.....

Recursive function is scary, it's not as obvious as regular loops... That's why database orm is good, they help you avoid a lot of edge cases

Set up alarms and stuff!

There is massive risk in using cloud so I cannot comprehend the rush to get there. If you are a startup it may be the quickest way. For established companies, you can reduce risk by having your own platforms.

Not a long time ago I was exploring kubernetes and was following an Indian tutorial of how to set everything (Ec2, S3 and Route53). Within 2 hours I had a 3€ bill when I thought I was in free tier... Somehow everytime I killed an EC2 instance a new one outside of the free tier was created... It was just 3€ and AWS gave me a 3€ voucher when I explained what happened. It was enough for me to be scared enough to try again

This happened to my co-worker a few months ago. He accidentally deployed a Terraform infra with hundreds of resources including Kubernetes with a minimum availability of 1000 pods + the project's deployments themselves xD Anyway, he ended up generating costs of 6500 EUR for that day :D

I remember racking up $1000 from AWS and I was sweating bullets cause I was basically trying out some things. I was relieved when AWS forfeited my bill

I got so scared that I just took down a test project that I had deployed on vercel 2 days ago for my portfolio after watching this because i remembered that it had my fire store(free tier) config exposed in front-end. I dont know if what I just did was plain stupid or what but now I'll rather do my research on it first than blindly deploying it.

The reason why we should choose either DigitalCloud or Linode

I just started a video serie on udemy and a free subscription on azure ... this video is freaking me out :-).

thanks dude...