I prefer tatooine-west-4 for all my deployments since the average distance to end users is about the same for everyone.

@dhess34

Жыл бұрын

4D development thinking.

@youtubi123youtubipel

Жыл бұрын

I was using deathstar-west-1 for an app of mine, but I'm getting a 404 status code now, any idea what it might be?

@Juankinator

Жыл бұрын

my end users are mostly in Mos Eisley so tatooine-east-1 works better for me

@donvalderath4308

Жыл бұрын

bout 12 parsecs ain't it?

@FrankPerkins

Жыл бұрын

I dont know if I would recommend this because the Tatooine binary star caused solar anomalies in some of my requests.

I love how ~800ms is unacceptably slow, but at my work I regularly do queries on a database that should take less than a second, but they somehow made take up to 20 seconds.

@samuelpucat3151

Жыл бұрын

do you even index, bro?

@sliversun4807

Жыл бұрын

As samuel mentioned, index table columns in the query that have the heaviest cost ( you can check by analyzing the query in the ide ) and your queries will be much faster. Keep in mind you might need to refresh the indexes every now and then

@harrytsang1501

Жыл бұрын

800ms is unacceptable only because this is a minimum viable tests for network latency that does not involve computation or DB

@mushbrain1753

Жыл бұрын

Wtf are you doing?

@jellyrabbits375

Жыл бұрын

It's unacceptably slow or blazing fast depends on use case and goals, without context it doesn't mean much.

so basically edge = bring server closer to the consumer, while CDN = bring static files closer to the consumer.

@mrbjjackson

Жыл бұрын

Airplane = bring consumer closer to the data

@muhammadyusoffjamaluddin

Жыл бұрын

It also bring your app to the edge of the world! #RIPRoundWorld

@MaxGuides

Жыл бұрын

Or…the video maker entirely misunderstood what edge computing was due to these shitty frameworks trying to leech off of the name.

@butterfly7562

Жыл бұрын

not all, edge db is exsiting..

@PhilipAlexanderHassialis

Жыл бұрын

@@mrbjjackson to quote the old guys in the balcony from Muppet Show: "Science. It can take man on the moon!" "Yeah, but it can't take moon on the man! AAHHAHAHAHAH"

Microsoft edge is pretty good, I use it instead of node js as a backend

@codelexis

Жыл бұрын

Microsoft edge still exists? 😱 The last time I opened it was to play the surf game 🤣

@lawrencemanning

Жыл бұрын

@ best not watch anything that’s *really* funny or you might die of a heart attack.

@ioneocla6577

Жыл бұрын

@@codelexis it's actually one of the most popular browser that isn't chrome (even tho it uses chromium) and tbh it's a really good browser and if i had to choose between edge and chrome I'll probably choose edge

@pedrobigboss

Жыл бұрын

@@ioneocla6577 is better than chrome.

@wanderingthewastes6159

Жыл бұрын

@@pedrobigboss get those bloats out of your computer and use brave already.

Instead of me explaining constantly to team members why edge / serverless is a bad idea for our single MySQL database, I can now send them this video. Ty for that

@Kasper-mu4ov

Жыл бұрын

why is it bad for serverless

@wlockuz4467

Жыл бұрын

Plot twist, They still think its a good idea but now they're flat Earthers.

@joelei4179

Жыл бұрын

@@Kasper-mu4ov Extra steps to setup conneciton pooling. No benefit in speed if your page depends on loading data from database in a centralized location.

@halfbakedproductions7887

Жыл бұрын

The Achilles Heel of edge computing is when the edge servers have to rely on a janky slow-ass core for their content. It's a bottleneck and you gain nothing.

@thatsalot3577

3 ай бұрын

​@@joelei4179I mean you can use an edge db like R1 or turso

The time from router A to B does not depends always on the distance, it depends also on the route contracted between the ISPs , priorities, bandwidth, time of the day, solar storms and of course the flat shape of the plainet

@AlamgirTamboli

Жыл бұрын

I laughed pretty hard at that part. Sadly some will think he's serious.

@umeshofficial13

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@blacky7801

Жыл бұрын

I like how this implies that the earth can change shape. Because yknow, somthing can't depend on a constant

@sonetagu1337

Жыл бұрын

@@blacky7801 technically, yeah. Soon after like millions of years, Earth's day would be 26 hours, which makes earth slighty more "round".

@blacky7801

Жыл бұрын

@@sonetagu1337 don't be silly! the earth isn't round

Subtle humor and conspiracies is what makes a tech video worth watching

@jamesfulford

Жыл бұрын

"subtle"

@reisaki18

Жыл бұрын

@@XeiDaMoKaFE because they've gone to the moon 53 years ago and we people believe it sincerely, so that the government can mandate us to wear face diapers.

@highlyillegalpigeon

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesfulford XeiDaMoKa FE: "ikr , no globaloid would put that there but ofc then have to pass it off as joke with donuts , reputation is on the line I understand"

@highlyillegalpigeon

Жыл бұрын

They just deleted his comment and the one I posted from my other channel. Fireship even uses the map where Antarctica is shown as a ring of ice.

But maybe the stress of programming while on the edge of a cliff until a task is completed would increase productivity and coding speed, that would be edge computing

@gngn2973

Жыл бұрын

also possibly more bugs, the flying kind, being outside and all.

@AByteofCode

Жыл бұрын

@@gngn2973 Well if all the bugs you get are physical, then you won't get any digital ones 🤔

@crptlvr7773

Жыл бұрын

@@AByteofCode on a serious note tho, coding while being high on pressure and stress makes code work short term, then perosnaly bugs would be deep in the implementation

@AByteofCode

Жыл бұрын

@@crptlvr7773 Yeah absolutely, coding in stressful environments is never a good idea if you're trying to make something work in the long run

@gngn2973

Жыл бұрын

​@@AByteofCode 😆Well my code always has lots bugs in it that I can't seem to find. They're the result of digital usually, but they're definitely always there. 🥺

Shoutout to all the devs in Sri Lanka working amidst an economic crisis. Great stuff as always Jeff. Thank you for keeping us up to date.

@ivanbulanov5754

Жыл бұрын

Poor guys. I wonder how you manage to do anything with all of these blackouts.

@devindesilva123

Жыл бұрын

@@ivanbulanov5754 well let me put it rhis way.... My sleep patterns have never recovered

@codeschool3964

Жыл бұрын

Was looking for Sri Lankans in the comment section and here I am.

@nivaldolemos5280

Жыл бұрын

Well, what about the massacres in Sri Lanka, honey? Doesn't that affect us too?

@Nihalthegreat

5 ай бұрын

@@nivaldolemos5280 Me as a Bangladeshi be like: heheh boy.

Great to see everybody aboard the BLAZINGLY FAST train. Now I want a livestream with Fireship, Primeagen, Theo and TomDoesTech. (edit: typo)

@suryavirkapur

Жыл бұрын

me 2

@muralielumalai

Жыл бұрын

Yup

@NeerajLagwankar

Жыл бұрын

lmao true

@bren.r

Жыл бұрын

Who’s Primagen? Is that a Primeagen wanna be?

@mishikookropiridze

Жыл бұрын

@@bren.r vice versa

When I got my GCP PCA the google docs were trying to help you decide what cloud solution you need for your app. It mainly went "Are you building a web app for use by humans?" => Yes:" Firebase " No:" Everything else in GCP".

@halfbakedproductions7887

Жыл бұрын

These exams are vendor-specific for a reason. If you want a generic cloud exam take something like Cloud+ or CCSK/CCSP.

That flat earth moment got me rolling. Always a pleasure to watch your videos😁

@savage512

Жыл бұрын

Besides, everyone knows that the world is in the shape of a pyramid 🧑‍🔬

@madhououinkyoma

Жыл бұрын

They see me rolling..

1:17 I love how Bangladesh is situated inside India 😂 Edit: I think U meant Bangalore?🤔

@darrenfernandes4189

Жыл бұрын

That isn't where bangalore is either XD

@xiaoshen194

Жыл бұрын

@@darrenfernandes4189 close.

@thunderrrrrrrrrr

Жыл бұрын

@@xiaoshen194 About 1100 km off. 'Close'. But I guess this is CS.

As someone who is focusing more on AI and IoT, I don't know much about web development but this isn't edge computing and I think its name is just being used as a marketing shtick in this domain. You got it right that edge computing is about bringing the computational resource closer to the end user. Although edge computing is more of an umbrella term, inter-state or inter-country connections being called edge computing is a stretch. An edge device is a local resource that is much closer (e.g. server in your university campus) where resource constrained mobile devices such as smartphones can offload tasks to instead of offloading to the cloud, as offloading to cloud isn't viable for tasks with low latency requirements such as games, sensing, augmented reality and so on. It's not a standalone replacement of the cloud infrastructure either, it's just introducing another layer into the hierarchy for certain use-cases like the ones I have mentioned. I just wanted to clarify edge computing the way I know it so people don't get wrong ideas about the term just because it's being used out of context in web development.

@heroe1486

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation, "edge" is being used everywhere in web development these days, it's the new marketing term, it seems to be the successor of the "cloud". Vercel use it that much that I'm surprised it's a new feature for their API routes

@insuranceillustrated

Жыл бұрын

Do you have an alternative name to suggest for the web development community?

@lukasr.2563

Жыл бұрын

i love your comment, i´m writing my bachelor thesis about this rn and what you describe is the way i see edge computing mentioned mostly. The reason to go for edge computing is speed and ideally also cost reduction, since sending terrabites of data somewhere gets real pricy after a while. An example i love is a self driving car. If you have a connection problem, and can´t upload data to the cloud, your distance sensor could take minutes to get the cloud feedback "YO MAN, YOU ARE CLOSEING DISTANCE TO THAT WALL A LITTLE TOO FAST", that´s why those have their own processors.

@alexanderveprik3331

Жыл бұрын

I think more suitable term for the web domain would be "rendering on the Edge". There are articles that use that term instead and they clarify that the "edge" means the edge of the network: where the private network ends and public internet begins. I also don't think the term "edge computing" truly applies to the web use case. As far as I understand, the main goal of edge computing is to bring computing on the data closer to the source that generates the data, hence it make sense to do so for IoT devices that generate sh*tload of it. But in case of the web, user is not the one generating the data. They are the ones consuming it but the data lives in the central data storage. That's why one big challenge as mentioned in the video is bringing data (in central storage) to the edge, otherwise the whole point is lost.

Thanks a lot for this awesome content!

I think a better solution is the ability to deploy a LAMP stack into the end user's browser so your code can run locally on their workstation. Your move latency.

@FalconTheFries

Жыл бұрын

But when happens when that user wants to use his friends computer?

@adamajinugroho830

Жыл бұрын

@@FalconTheFries install LAMP again in his friends computer

@ivanbulanov5754

Жыл бұрын

Just send them an exe.

@scottydog9997

Жыл бұрын

Lol, cloud computing back to the client.

@jakedewey3686

Жыл бұрын

The solution was Javascript in the browser the whole time... who knew?

I am from Bangladesh and really happy that you pronounced it pretty well!

@thatrand0mnpc

Жыл бұрын

but points at central india :O

"They get an image hosted from Bangladesh" proceeds to mark India

@saismaranvijayagiri

Жыл бұрын

He confused Bangalore with bangladesh

One of your best videos, not just explaining what it is but the pros and cons and real world examples to back it up. I love it.

That Primeagen reference was gold 👌😂

Yoooo! Sri Lanka's going through a proper sh!t storm right now, but not in a million years did I expect one of my favorite channels to mention it! Much love

I love watching how my favourite content creators start to reference each other in their videos

This is a good introduction to edge deployment. Thank you Jeff.

Really enjoyed the practical demonstration of use cases and limitations. Up there in my all time fireship vids.

Thank you for the shoutout for devs in Sri Lanka. Really means a lot.

I think this topic deserves a deeper dive. How does testing/debugging work with edge computing, especially if the problem is happening on specific nodes? How can you monitor/validate which version of code is deployed across the world? How does edge computing integrate with CI/CD? For distributed databases, how do you tell the edge server to request data from the closest database instance, and how can it gracefully fallback to another instance during an outage?

@Davidlavieri

Жыл бұрын

Sadly nobody cares, better deploy features to stay ahead compettition, and obviously amass a victory among the twitter TODOs app experts

Great mix of information and light comedy, without distracting from the subject, 10/10 !

Most concise video on edge compute I have seen thus far, good man

Really good introduction to edge computing with some balanced takes! Nice work.

Interestingly enough, I just started working on an application running on Cloudflare Pages. This just made me aware about some things to expect from livin' on the edge.

Jeff your content is always top notch, been watching your videos since 2019 and they just keeps getting better, you’re a legend !

I see your “Cleveland: We’re not Detroit” Your ability to include these funny memes and snippets, while still making the video highly educational is unparalleled

The Sri Lanka part caught me off guard 😂🔥

@backonrun626

Жыл бұрын

what's cool about that?

@mohammedlebbeisbulla

Жыл бұрын

👍

@Horthy_

Жыл бұрын

@@backonrun626 ikr 😕

@shikhar2811

Жыл бұрын

@@backonrun626 At 1:19 he marked the edge function icon on India but says Bangladesh xD

@vaisakhkm783

Жыл бұрын

@@shikhar2811 XD

Edge computing is for highly specialized use cases, and requires a completely different paradigm and architecture than any of this even begins to touch on.

@RickGladwin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah especially when one of the solutions to speed things up in the non-edge case is caching. It’s appropriate to cache some data, but other data it’s completely inappropriate. I watched this thinking there must be cases where edge is a better architecture for that specific case. Do you know if there are systems that use both?

@hunterwebapps5091

Жыл бұрын

@Avin Kavish smart highways are the hot topic as a good example. manufacturing as well, where you need extremely low latency and fast processing for complex operations, but still be integrated into the wider network across multiple regions.

@nagoshi01

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I work on remote IoT industrial devices that can connect to sensors, compute data, and communicate via satellite. Designed for monitoring and controlling devices in remote areas. E.g. measuring the temp/pressure of a pipeline and sending the data to the company remotely. Another one is wildfire monitoring.

@tamasflamich

Жыл бұрын

Another potential use case is to overcome the limitations of your CDN. For instance, introduce special routing towards origins.

@bamberghh1691

Жыл бұрын

@@nagoshi01 but why would you need the responces to be that fast for wildfire monitoring? Wouldn't just connecting to centralized server be enough?

Amazing video! I’ve been wondering about this recently, and this made things much clearer!

when you said Sri Lanka it warms my heart!! Hi from Sri Lanka!

Lot of information to unpack in this one. Also, the doughnut shaped earth is a really interesting theory. Tell me more.

@LeFlamel

Жыл бұрын

It's technically physically possible with a perfect spin speed early in planetary formation. Probably not stable long term tho

You explained edge computing very well, great video!

I love this channel for its subtle humour while being informative as welll

I'm from where you pointed in NZ ... saving for your course ... love what you do ... keep it up -- Kia ora.

I think Edge Computing is Awesome, but data is the challenging part of it & Try to see Deno Deploy, Fastly Compute@Edge. Also Note that Cloudflare Workers are expanding scripts size to be from 5mbs - 100mbs & more.

@softwarelivre2389

Жыл бұрын

Deno Deploy is awesome!

I can 'edge' on fireship content all day

@KrXYT

Жыл бұрын

bro 💀

@Th3MoL3

Жыл бұрын

Pause.

@bcl56

Жыл бұрын

Ayoooo

@JonathanDoliver

Жыл бұрын

heyyo

@vaisakhkm783

Жыл бұрын

what is wrong with he said 🤔🤔

Woah...FIRST SRI LANKAN to watch this..❤️❤️❤️ thanks JEFF for mentioning my country on your video..

Love all your videos! Very informative and helpful

Can't wait for dev hour with Prime!

@roywastaken

Жыл бұрын

i'm waiting for this one too... s/b really good

I feel like the more popular the concept gets, the less "edgy" it becomes. 5 years ago, it meant it runs on a box you can probably see from where you're standing. Now it just means a datacenter but not in va.

Thanks for your effort to measure all those results ! I really appreciate that !

You are amazing, no matter what programming topic I search for you have a video on it with expert knowledge shared, awesome.

lolz just was researching this topic for about a week and finally decided to build my next project on the Cloudflare edge network ... I will just start watching the video, fingers-crossed you won't ruin my research outcome 🤐😅😂

@bringbackwindowsphone

Жыл бұрын

Cloudflare Workers is fantastic, they have an absolutely insane amount of data centers, no cold starts and a bunch of other services like R2, KV, DO, etc. which you may find useful.

@uziboozy4540

Жыл бұрын

@@bringbackwindowsphone and D2 is incoming soon

generally the idea is going to be: deploy things that need calculations only to Edge. So things like "how close am I to X" for a self-driving car. You don't need a DB for that, as you'd pass in as arguments, but then a remote Edge server would calculate that distance for you rather than have that all done on the vehicle itself.

@Phasma6969

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps less complexity is better, as if you can't always stay connected to a network or don't want to.

Well thought examples for benchmark. As always great content

Great video! You are so knowledgeable in all these aspects of computing. I am curious as to what your background is and how you got started in this industry? Thank you for all the great content!

CouchDB is a good db for distributed stuff too Also, what I have been doing is: frontend on cloudflare pages then backend on servers We study which locations have more users and then scale the backend to there. The frontend decides which backend to use based on the geolocation. And couchdb is also very fast on all cases because it's literary in the same computer

@neoxelox

Жыл бұрын

Hey, I'm actually also doing this the exact same way, except that for now we only have one location for the servers. For scaling up the servers I though getting a managed multi-region cockroachDB, but, as you already battle tested it, is couchdb good? Do you have it managed or you built the cluster yourself? Thanks PD: Also I'm afraid of using cockroachdb as it does not support the postgres trigram extension :(

@swaggitypigfig8413

Жыл бұрын

@@neoxelox :(

@noneofyourbeeswax7296

Жыл бұрын

Bottleneck is still gonna be the DB. That edge still has to talk to that DB in the Amazon data center.

@marknefedov

Жыл бұрын

@@neoxelox you can try YugabyteDB it is way more compatible with postgres, but managing it by yourself (in team) would be a hassle. Managed solution was pretty good though.

@lmtr0

Жыл бұрын

@Avin Kavish yes, cloudflare pages are free for my use case

Teacher: Today we're gonna go to BangLadesh Kid named Ladesh:

@miles611

Жыл бұрын

.... cursed comment mate

@1:17 Didn't expect you to mention Sri Lanka. Will take it as a shoutout to the SL dev community working their asses off amidst the ongoing economical crisis.

Keep up the work 👏 It makes me so happy to watch one of your videos.

You‘re really funny man, thanks!

Man I have been "edging" for weeks now, it's amazing!

@lalathealter6513

Жыл бұрын

brother wtf

@vito2320

Жыл бұрын

Pls, just don't.

Much awaited podcast with you and Prime!! Blazingly Fast!!

Between the Earth shapes, Primes appearance and learning AWS is now on Tatooine. This was chefs kiss.

Id like to point out that the lines that transfer the data aren't really the issue. Because comparatively speaking, the massive routers that redirect the data to the correct correspondant are very very fast, but not as fast as light. Also, signal repeaters are a thing - but even those things are negledgeable

@goeland4585

Жыл бұрын

Neglegable, neglibigle or is it negligigle?

@luigigaminglp

Жыл бұрын

@@goeland4585 I'm german lol

@goeland4585

Жыл бұрын

@@luigigaminglp sorry haha it's probably easier when you know the french word it comes from

You said Bangladesh but pointed towards India(telegana), no big deal though just a few thousand km off. Thanks for mentioning Bangladesh. Your videos are awesome 💪

@ark_knight

Жыл бұрын

Since you felt like nitpicking, the location pointed was not telegana, its was Madhyapradesh. No worries, you were just a few km off.

@JonyBepary

Жыл бұрын

@@ark_knight yesh brother, i looked at the map and seems like like it was that red state (telegana/hydrabad). You might be right. Thanks though 💪

Thanks for the pro tip with Firebase Function, didn't know there is new runtime option for cold start.

So much infomation in only 8 minutrs. 🤯🤯🤯🤯 This is a web developers life...

I love edging, it makes my life so much easier, I'd recommend edging to literally everyone I know!

@lalathealter6513

Жыл бұрын

lol wtf

@amirhosseinahmadi3706

Жыл бұрын

r/EdgingTalk

Edge computing is super interesting and super cool.

Omg, thanks for this video! Was really insightful!

I never like neither comment any videos, but for some reason, I personally think this is one of the best, if not the best video you have ever made fireship! GOAT 😍

Its fun to watch frontend devs figure out backend :D

@MaryamMaqdisi

Жыл бұрын

I actually prefer watching backend devs trying to make GUIs (I'm backend myself)

@Jonathan1234000

Жыл бұрын

@@MaryamMaqdisi wanna watch me struggle with CSS for hours?

@DoctorSoulis

Жыл бұрын

@@Jonathan1234000 Hours. What about months? 🍻

@trashAndNoStar

Жыл бұрын

Fun reality show idea: make a hackathon, but make the FE folks do BE stuff and the other way round. For extra funsies/chaos also swap Agile scrum master & UI designer roles.

By the way i am blown away by the amount of information 😃

I can't really imagine how much i can learn from your short videos

I'd never considered the database round trip issue before. That's good to keep in mind!

Cloudflare workers and Cloudflare D1 (SQLite) is a promising alternative to the issue of caching and db location, if used right

I thought another framework was born, Blazingly fast EdgeJS

Came for the 'In 100 seconds' videos, stayed for the other great videos, like this one!

love your videos dude hope you get 1.5 mil

As a fan of Cloudflare I might say it could probably be the fastest cdn and edge computing you can get on Earth. You definitely should check this out! It could be quite tricky to get a clear picture of how all those things works under the hood, but I think it worth it

But api abstraction of next js is just great. Deployment is super simple.

Amazing explanation thanks again for this one !

A great follow up episode is test out CloudFlare's edge functions, Workers. They also provide a K-V pair database that is also distributed.

Great content as always. But I want to point out the mistake at 1:21. That's India where you placed your red marker at. Bangladesh is much much smaller in size compared to India, and is located much further onto the right of the marker. Please try to fix this. :)

@sst7998

Жыл бұрын

He want to say Bangalore, but by mistake said Bangladesh

@maxterminatorx

Жыл бұрын

He is American we can understand.

basically great to use for hello world examples nothing more 90% of your app endpoints do one or more db interactions

@dhess34

Жыл бұрын

You just have to move your DB to the edge too. Granted, I'd guess that a very small % of apps would benefit from moving everything to the edge, but those apps do exist.

@randxalthor

Жыл бұрын

If you're sharding and distributing your database(s) at scale, you already have them close to the edge. The vast majority of apps and services don't operate at this scale, though, so it's just a thought exercise unless you're a distributed systems engineer

@fark69

Жыл бұрын

If you want good response times globally, you should have clusters of db + servers in different regions and use a consensus algorithm to keep your separate dbs in sync with each other

@byeCoDhelloRS

Жыл бұрын

@@randxalthor haha sharding

@krellin

Жыл бұрын

​@@dhess34 and basically reinvent what cloud providers already do....

Distributed Blockhain-based DB and edge functions = 🤯🤯

this is the most educational fireship video for me

Hey Jeff could you please do a video on the Nim programming language?

@dhess34

Жыл бұрын

He needs to do Zig first!

1:21 You referred to Bangladesh but the Edge logo is in India 😅

I'm more confused now about Serverless Vs Edge. Thanks guys!

this is really informative. thanks you

Edging motivation

edge functions seems good for stateless services, but for stateful services I think every edge function will have their own state.

@groupkenya

Жыл бұрын

Or you could store state info on the client? Ala JWTs

Really good info! Thanks!!

Thanks! Very informative video ♥

Do a video on how the 4chan bros hacked hunters iCloud

Ah yes, the Bangladesh in Madhya Pradesh 😂😂😂

wow what a great video, absolutely love ur humor

Loved the Primagen shoutout :D

Bro I thought they improved Microsoft Edge browser 🤣

@sarveshsubramanian6638

Жыл бұрын

That Never Happens

@suhail9511

Жыл бұрын

😂🤣

I i edge all the time

Thanks! for mentioning Bangladesh. I am a Computer Engineer Graduate from Bangladesh. Tho my primary field is deep machine learning, I appreciate every video you share.

Im glad that you mentioned Sri Lanka in this video. A tiny island out of nowhere and not many people care about.