"I don't like electrical parking brakes" .... thank you finally. I love this man. Wish auto manufacturers brought back manual parking brakes

@hambaallah1948

Жыл бұрын

Imagine you out of battery. And u want to brake and change battery on a slope. Ridiculous though.

@Lizards_Lounge

Жыл бұрын

Ridiculous idea.

@DirtydogMech

Жыл бұрын

@@Lizards_Lounge which idea is ridiculous?

@machoman5356

Жыл бұрын

You can not do a boot leg turn with e park break

@cuinican1980

10 ай бұрын

Same, e brakes are stupid

"This is made from forged aluminium. And this is titanium. And this is aerospace. And we saved a 10th of a gram in each one of those, yeah, yeah". What a legend Gordon is.

@devanman7920

2 жыл бұрын

I know its brilliant he just says these things like its totally normal and expected

@bmstylee

2 жыл бұрын

Super obsessed with performance yet uses a transmission from eons past.

@redline589

2 жыл бұрын

@@bmstylee Because he cares about the driving experience also, DSG is faster but its boring to let a machine change gears for you.

@spencerb311

2 жыл бұрын

@@bmstylee he’s not obsessed with performance he’s obsessed with driving experience and dynamics. If he was obsessed with performance it would be a Valkyrie

@chrisogrady28

2 жыл бұрын

*100th of a gram on each bolt

Mr. Murray’s detailed knowledge of every single component is astonishing. Down to the millimeter!

@srinitaaigaura

2 жыл бұрын

And hundredth of a gram!

@willywillywillywillywilly

2 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when you literally create a company to build a car you envisaged and designed.

@MrMarkusmulder

2 жыл бұрын

It's an insect 😀

@sebastianarganaraz2879

2 жыл бұрын

That's true, he designed that freakin car

@LuhtyIer

2 жыл бұрын

@@willywillywillywillywilly lol they’re so shocked

What an engineering masterpiece! Gordon Murray and his efforts are just on another level altogether. Their very existence makes my day.

@Gaudine

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sitting on the toilet having diarrhoea because of a panic attack and I’m watching this video but can barely pay attention to it.

@BoyeeSmudger

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gaudine ah dude, hope you're alright!

@Gaudine

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoyeeSmudger not really everyday is the same and has been for the past 10 years. Thanks for your concern though.

@toy200sx

2 жыл бұрын

Koenigsegg level.

@Spazik86

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how they finance all of this. They had to spend a lot of millions before any of the car rolls out of the factory...

Gordan Murray what a gentleman. Even though this man has incredible knowledge built up over decades, there is not arrogance, only true humility. It's as if he's a proud dad who just wants to show everybody his child's artwork. Again, true gentleman.

@bigben57

2 жыл бұрын

Have you heard about the MP4/4 controversy? A genius, maybe, a gentleman, surely not. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z4Gum9B6qtayiLg.html

@trousers2

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigben57 I watched that entire video, but it doesn't really change my feelings entirely for a few reasons. Firstly, I think the whole situation can be summed up with the section at 56:10 in that video, 'Murray threatens Nichols'. Murray was/is allegedly taking credit for other's work in an effort to rebuild his brand around his own name and make cars, but as that video also pointed out, Nichols is also doing the exact same thing right now, making his own cars, which leads me into: Secondly, that video looks bad for Murray, real bad. But you've gotta get both sides to something like this man. Things can be slanted or twisted any which way if it's just somebody taking shots at somebody else. What I'd really like to see is Gordon come on that channel and do a follow-up. Thirdly, this is stuff that's 20 years old. Even if Murray flat out did everything Nichols claims and worse, does that mean Murray should never be trusted ever again? Have you never done anything you're not proud of? I know I sure have. How would you feel if people brought it up 20-30 years later as a testament to your character? And fourth, this all has nothing to do with my original comment. My comment was about how Gordon conducted himself in this video, absolutely nothing to do with the MP4/4. When referring to Murray as a gentleman, I was talking about his demeanor. Here you have somebody who really knows his stuff, far more than this Top Gear presenter will ever know, and yet when somebody who knows nothing is talking about his creations, he's patient, and willing to listen. I know he stands to gain from the exposure of these videos but I've seen people stand to gain more and still treat others like dirt - but we don't see that at all here from Gordon.

@alanhillyard1639

2 жыл бұрын

No arrogance? The man has built a full shrine room to his own excellence… he’s able to use other peoples talents quite effectively that’s all.

@bigben57

2 жыл бұрын

@@trousers2 You can believe whatever you like about Gordan. The fact remains that there is no evidence to back up Gordon's claim that he designed the MP4/4. While there is quite a bit of evidence: the Mclaren signed staff letter, quotes from Ron Dennis etc. that Steve Nichols was 100% in charge of the development. A gentleman does not take credit for other people's work.

@trousers2

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigben57 Again, you wanna actually comment something about the video or bang on about stuf that happened 30 years ago?

Start of video: "$3m dollars is insane" End of video: "$3m dollars, what an absolute bargain!"

I’m amazed by the engineering that goes into this vehicle, particularly given the back-of-the envelope business case. 265 million pounds from selling 100 cars but spending 1.3 million just on a machined switch cluster. Imagine the upfront cost of developing all the truly complex bits: monocoque, engine, trans, electrical and mechanical systems. Then a bunch of validation and pre-prod cars! Paying the best engineers in the business! Maybe they’re making a killing on the customization and post-production. Whatever the case may be, there must be some truly masterful engineering, supply chain, and project management moves being made.

@joshuahilliker2364

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know half of the things you just said so I’m just gonna say “Yeah, sounds pretty neat they did all that.”

@TheBlaert

2 жыл бұрын

They'll make a killing with the race versions and the servicing/maintenance side of things. I remember in a podcast he said McLaren made a lot of money from the F1 race cars back in the day

@kadmow

2 жыл бұрын

And we see where main stream car companies spend 100s of millions on production engineering - to sell a product for $15k (wholesale - if that was a thing in the "car world") Making 100 cars for 2M isn't a problem (there are challenges for sure, but not problems), making 1M units for 10k . -- . that is the challenge.

@kadmow

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBlaert : in other news... Everything in this car already exists - in other industries... Thanks for coming. ... Cost to the end user - doesn't really matter for "high end" - buyer's

@TheBlaert

2 жыл бұрын

@@kadmow I didn't say he was. But he always has been an innovator in the automotive sector.

I'm so happy a place like this with a person like Gordon exists. The man is something else "ya the engineering is pretty good" haha. Great video lads!

@astonwinter

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYiExJKOf6qYdbQ.html

@juniormichelesperant6372

Жыл бұрын

Him and Koenigsegg

I've been building high-end full suspension mountain bikes professionally for 18 years, so I'm used to trimming every gram and seeing parts that look nearly shrink wrapped. But those brake calipers are blowing my mind!

@srinitaaigaura

2 жыл бұрын

They look very similar to that Czinger 21C and it's very organic looking AI designed structural members.

@keithpatrick156

Жыл бұрын

Bugatti's got some that are even crazier looking in 3d-printed titanium.

Mr Murray is a joy to listen to. I knew by the first few words I heard from him that he had South African lineage. The he corrected himself of his pronunciation of "pressure" was priceless for me as a South African.

This sounds like it really is the Ultimate Driving Experience. Less than a 1000Kg(!), high-revving V12 by Cossworth, mid-engine, center seat position. The last we'll probably ever see at this level.

@christosg.kalogeropoulos9246

2 жыл бұрын

All well by the design and the size…

@indiebekonn

2 жыл бұрын

Not until they make a cheaper one, and then probably another one as well.

@eefm99

2 жыл бұрын

@@indiebekonn There probably won't be a new one. Everything is going electric.

I think we don’t realize how fantastic it is to meet a legend. His car is so pure.

Gordon Murray's attention to detail, down to the bolts he uses and specially machining out the top to save fractions of a gram is astonishing

They took a component from a supplier who is an expert in brakes, and made it even better... That's when you know you're operating at a different level. Can't wait for part 2.

I was timid at first for such a new member - but props to Ollie for having a lot of specific knowledge related to the F1 and asking the right questions. Dude knows his stuff +1

You can tell the young man did his homework, asking all the right questions. Done a better job than Jack the last time he went there.

@menschmenschson7504

2 жыл бұрын

Jack= annoying clown

@juniormichelesperant6372

Жыл бұрын

Facts

Can you imagine the quality of conversation between Prof. Murray and Mr Von Konigsegg? I’m sure I wouldn’t understand most of it but it would be a pleasure to study. Congratulations and respect to future customers.

@srinitaaigaura

2 жыл бұрын

Bad news is that they aren't on very good terms with each other since the CCR days. Gordon has an ego thing over the people he's worked with and his rivals. Could change though. If Koenigsegg puts their super light weight carbon wheels on this (despite what Gordon says), the wheels that you could lift with a single finger, we could be thinking of 970 kilos maybe. Also Koenigsegg knows how to do backlit aluminium. But if anyone else could engineer at this level, it's Koenigsegg.

I hope every single person that buys one of these takes the time to appreciate this tour. Too many of these high-priced cars are bought to accrue value, not actually appreciate the engineering of the work of art. This man is so passionate about his creation. I would love the opportunity just to meet him, get this tour and drive one. I don't need to own it. Just get an hour on a test track.

Utterly stunning piece of automotive art. The attention to details, and the level of science, and technology that goes into forming one of these T.50s is mind boggling. I mean, I would rather brag about tech, and how it deals with laws of physics, than just talk about how beautiful it is from the outside. I admit, I've always been a more Italian exotic sort of guy, but the T.50 has won me over.

When customer comes to spec their car, Gordon will weigh them. "We need to lose several kilos for this to work" 😂

I could listen to Gordon all day. I wished they did an online configurator so us mere mortals could dream up our spec but the spec session in part 2 should be cool.

@astonwinter

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYiExJKOf6qYdbQ.html

Absolutely stunning 😍 the amount of attention to detail not only for form but function. I want one! Thank Top Gear and Gordon Murray.

Mr. Murray is amazing and great at designing cars and just knowing what makes a good drivers car. Phenomenal

At every stage of development, the T.50 is absolutely stunning and Gordon is wonderful to listen to, as he explains each component in detail. The Top Gear presenter could have ironed his shirt prior to arriving though. 😂

@demonkingak1755

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking the exact same, you're going to interview one of the best car engineering minds ever about his 2.5 million car and you turn up in h&ms finest unironed. Come on dude.

@shannongovender1652

2 жыл бұрын

“It’s linen...”

@philb707

2 жыл бұрын

Just being in Gordon Murray presence instantly wrinkled his shirt.

@insufferableoaf6060

2 жыл бұрын

@@demonkingak1755 Exactly. Can clearly tell he took it out of the packaging and wore it. Unironed and unwashed.

@AdamC3046

2 жыл бұрын

All I could think of too

I least I can live my mostly petrol fueled dreams vicariously through top gear…some day 💭

@pigeonpoo1823

2 жыл бұрын

Right up until it rebrands itself Top gear Recharged *shudders at thought*

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

@@pigeonpoo1823 That would be funny.

This is magical stuff. Who would have thought of using the inertia of the gear knob to assist in making a gear change. Thank goodness there are people like GM in the world. And such a beautiful soul as well, no arrogance or aloofness at all.

This is the sort of content we need TG 👏👏👏 just give us hours and hours of this

Respect to all the other manufacturers who put in a lot of effort into designing their hyper cars... But Gordon simply blows them all out of the water. All I could say is WOW. Beautiful car and wonderful engineering👌🏼

18:07 The guy touches the piece of carbon with his elbow, Gordon puts it back and seems to say "Be careful not to drop one of my children ..."

Literally no one else is making a car like this. Gordon Murray is a deity! Why do all the other cars have to be large, heavy. no MT, no high revving NA engine, and not have at least a V8???

@gabrielbarcellos1036

Ай бұрын

Pagani fazendo carros com design questionável e ronco parecendo um caminhão, aquele V12 biturbo não soa bem

I'm just gonna pile on to what everyone else is saying, great video and loved the showing (off) around of all the beautiful cars and components. Murray is so graceful, happy to show people his collection, without rubbing it in your face. And considering he is so closely connected to everything, every aspect of the carmaking process, there will always be an interesting story to tell.

Gordon is a legend. Can’t wait to see one of these.

Gordon must love it when he compares each component to a kitchen utensil, mobile phone case, mountain bike or a paper weight 😂

@arobinson4544

2 жыл бұрын

What on earth was that!!

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

Useful, gives a properly real sense of the weight/mass of each component.

@Neale78

2 жыл бұрын

If you were familiar with high end DH MTB frames you would not include them with a kitchen utensil, mobile phone case or paper weight.

@pauliewalnuts240

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that also! "This feels like a bag of crisps" "wow it's like a biscuit in your hand" I'm sure Gordon loves his thousands of dollars parts being compared to recycling waste.

@planesailing6919

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neale78 I am familiar with high end MTBs, but they still aren’t the same league as the T50- they are mass produced, usually in China… yes they are well designed and high quality, but they do not compare to the T50. The T50 (As Gordon said) is aviation quality and beyond. Plus it wasn’t me who included them with the kitchen utensil, phone case etc.

Simply wow! I didn’t want this piece to end… guess I’ll catch the next episode whenever it arrives.

I could listen to Gordon Murray talk abou all the details for hours, such a pleasure to watch and listen.

Absolutely amazing. I really hope the people lucky enough to be buying one of these actually use them. Would love to see one in the wild one day!

If only Murray didn’t lie about designing the MP4/4 F1 car. But then how would he have received funding for building the McLaren F1 road car?

@jrizzle3614

2 жыл бұрын

Yeh I dunno how to feel

For me, this is the best supercar video review if am one of the buyer. Most reviews talks about speed, exterior an interior finishes. But this one shows where the million dollar money goes. Thank you again for posting.

Gordon Murray and his team are just simply brilliant engineers. What I admire about him especially, is his absolute patience and honesty when describing his processes to extract the best out of all the materials. It's also great to know that this car is being made and seeing its journey is fascinating. Any video about the T-50 is so inspiring to watch and makes you want to make some stripped-down changes to your own car, rather than simply add more tat and grotesque after-market mods that are on offer. I've just took my rear wiper and motor off my Porsche and joined Slimming World as part of my quest for added performance.

Gordon’s an amazing bloke so much attention to detail and his knowledge of every single part is amazing he is a one off.

Wow, simply jaw dropping attention to detail.

This is going to DE-MOLISH!!!! All the competition...period! 👏👌💪😎👍❤️ Bravo Mr Murry, kind regards Ben from NZ

Wow. Just wow. Great job TG doing this interview. Loved the show and tell.

This might very well be the most intriguing video I've seen in my entire life! Bravo, Gordon, bravo!

It must be so lovely to be an owner of a T.50!

the effort to save weight is inspirational ... makes me wanna run a marathon !

Amazing attention to detail, everything with a purpose. As an engineer to see it put to such a good use is just awesome, being part of a team/project like this is a dream job

Just incredible tbh. Every aspect is beyond perfection.

This just made my day! if Gordon needs someone to take care of one of the XP Cars i would make an excellent steward going foward into the future! Can't afford the car but i would pay money to take that tour!

Happy Boxing Day!

I could endlessly listen to Gordon Murray speaking just about anything, what a genious true engineer. Bravo!

Just breathless making brilliance! Simply lovely

"I wanted a solid aluminium mermaid" I'm constantly trying to understand the thinking of Gordon murray. I think he enjoys impressing the top automotive engineering minds more then he enjoys making money. Creating parts and processes other automakers will never be able to recreate due to cost or complexity. I'm only surprised more manufacturers dont understand the importance a lightweight vehicle plays in performance.. Lotus and Gordon murray seem to be the only manufacturers focusing on low weight, even though lightweight cars would also get better gas mileage and be more green.

@christian5146

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if Koenigsegg is considered one, but since it's all about power and weight is important to them, I'm quite sure they are, as is McLaren.

Undeniably, it's a work of art. But if ever given the chance to meet with him, all I'd wanna talk about was all the small displacement bikes.

@mr.g167

2 жыл бұрын

I would be wanting some answers about the unfolding mp4/4 scandal personally....

The interviewers remarks on the parts are really interesting and refreshing. Good job on a great video.

Such an exciting car. The attention to detail is phenomenal. Gordon Murray must be so proud of what, he and his team, are creating.

A great video, I've been reassessing Gordon's reputation since taking a closer look at the MacLaren MP4/4.......

@TML34

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. GM isn’t as good as he wants you to think he is. The biggest “engineering marvel” of this car is the engine and he had nothing to do with it.

@serenity0n0

2 жыл бұрын

@@TML34 shoo shoo troll go away

@TML34

2 жыл бұрын

@@serenity0n0 incredible insight. Maybe GM will hire you.

@indiebekonn

2 жыл бұрын

@@serenity0n0 he’s not a troll, you just might be blinded. The car is great, but it’s not brilliant. Nor is it a technological or lightweight marvel, not at the price it goes for at least.

@TML34

2 жыл бұрын

@@indiebekonn thanks. I'm not saying Mr. Murray is a fraud, but he basically has taken credit (and built his brand) for the design and engineering of the McLaren 4/4 car, when he really wasn't. And if we want to go back to the F1, again, it was the BMW sourced engine that was the masterpiece.

At 3.38 you can see another T50 with a huge rear wing and under the car cover 👀

@marfrandema1884

2 жыл бұрын

Likely the t50s niki lauda for trackdays

@Thomas141100

2 жыл бұрын

That's the T.50s ...

@smiddlehurst1

2 жыл бұрын

@@marfrandema1884 y’know, now that I think about it, has a car ever had a name that spoke to its purpose more than calling it the Niki Laura? I’d say the McSenna but while that’s an impressive bit of kit it was still a road car for the track. The T.50s… not so much.

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

The S.

I'm speechless! Attention to Detail surpasses everything imaginable...🎯 Brake Calipers re-machined blew my mind. Sir Gordon, You the Master Creator ❣️

He is on a whole different plane of knowledge from the rest of us. His attention to detail is such a beautiful thing it nearly brings a tear to my eye. I have never wanted to win the lottery more than now. A true work of art!

It's been said that physics is mathematics constrained by reality, and that engineering is physics constrained by finances, it is cool to see what happens when the financial consideration is removed from the equation. I have little doubt that this will be the greatest drivers car ever made, an absolute masterpiece of design and engineering.

I like how he says the suitcases, the tints are all included in the price & the servicing cost are lower than BMWs. Shame on every other car manufacturer charging extra for different colours. One day when i win the lottery i could save a few £££ if they are still available 😂😂😂

I love the obsessive attention to detail. It's exquisite. It gets the chefs kiss

The way Murray goes ‘hahaha...yeah’ when he likens the valve to a kitchen utensil, you just know he can’t wait to get rid of him and get back to work

Love the channel

Beautiful proportions. Awe inspiring engineering. Look at the "smallest", "lightest", "sports" coupe from BMW now 240i: 1750KG!

Engineering meets artistry. Perfection. Hope to work for this man one day and learn from his knowledge. Cheers from Chicago

We are witnessing history This is one of those exceptions where the buyers of a car are truly lucky More than the money, the opportunity to have this experience, to spec an extremely rare and legendary machine of this stature, with the genius who can call it his brainchild is, something that very few people will get the chance to experience. Some of these buyers are great enthusiasts and racing drivers, though the real edge they have, to grasp the key to being a part of automotive history, is up to being in the right place at the right time. 100 limited cars 100 first buyers 100 people who will get to envision their very own F1 successor masterpiece That’s all. That’s it We are witnessing history

@Rodisflawless

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. Being able to fully customize your car is nothing new and many other manufacturers do it, with even more limited editions. Besides, several UHNW clients have passed on the T50 after the private unveiling due to the unjustifiable cost and how awful they think the design is.

@carlsonclassics

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rodisflawless I am sensing a bit of envy...?

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

Man it's a millionaires toy that will inevitably worth several times the asking price within months. Something that the 99.9999999999999999999% of people will never understand the feeling of, "lucky" doesn't begin to cover it.

@morkovija

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny because the buyers are basically getting it for free

@Shadowboost

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rodisflawless while true, this car caters to a very specific subset of enthusiasts. It's not the Instagram crowd that it's going for design wise. There is far more demand than availability. More than half the people who don't like the design don't understand the science behind the decisions and just prefer something more traditionally supercar flamboyant looking. The same people don't understand why this engine doesn't need as much torque as a Z06 motor

Wow I'd love that gear knob alone. And could be polished like a shoe if scratched

Totally in love with it

Brilliant video I could listen to Gordon talk all day

I could listen to Gordon for hours

The attention to detail and cutting edge engineering are amazing. Very proud this is a British made car designed by one of our great automotive engineers 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

@chrisogrady28

2 жыл бұрын

British Patriotism is extremely cringe, we are a mess of a country with a sordid past, unless you are directly connected to GMA or Gordon there's no reason to feel proud yourself.

@ibrahimpallikkal5100

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisogrady28 Past is over now, he just talking about British engineering.

@MrEazyE357

2 жыл бұрын

He's not even British though.

@davemitchell8756

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrEazyE357 South African born?, 🙂still happy there’s such a concentration of talent in high tech racing and engineering in UK So many manufacturing skills have been lost, this is an area where we are still world beating👍

@honeybadger1656

2 жыл бұрын

Gordon Murray and Elon Musk both were born in South Africa and then immigrated to their respective countries.

Excellent presentation and very professional reporting 👏

The passion is remarkable.

What a stunning piece of automotive design that is, from beginning to end it is fantastic and thoughtful.

didnt steve nichols design this?, not sure what to believe anymore? :)

Awesome video thanks muchly!

Well done, Thank you very much.

This car is a classic example to prove that more power does not always translate to higher speeds or performance. Even though the engine plays some role in achieving better performance, it's all down to the aero package that surrounds the car.

@neerajnongmaithem392

2 жыл бұрын

So true, Porsche does this really well.

@shaniapearcey

2 жыл бұрын

All about losing the weight in the car

Gordon Murray. I could listen to him talk about the T50 for weeks.....and then I’d ask him about the F1.

It’s amazing! In person must be incredible and I really looking forward to the other one without out the fan.

My OCD can't get enough of Gordon's CDO!

This top gear presenter irks me. Ugh. Brilliant car and G.M. a great bloke!

Every component is a work of art.

Kudos to Ollie and the crew, great video.

Just wish I could get one. Absolutely amazing

I've been enjoying watching the progress of the T50 project on youtube. It's a work of art. I'll enjoy slightly less now after watching JayEmm's fascinating Steve Nichols interview though.

@lachywocky

2 жыл бұрын

me too...quite conflicted now. regardless its a great car and so was the F1

@indiebekonn

2 жыл бұрын

Always felt it’s too expensive for the yesterday’s technologies that it uses, however I was following the development closely, as it’s the best we can have unfortunately. Now I’m even more conflicted after watching said interview.

You know you're rich when you wear a Hawaiian shirt with a suit coat.

Can't wait for part two!!!

Ty! Gordon Murray is awesome.

This design will age very well

What a legend. So much respect for GMA.😉

Great video. Gordon Murray is a huge asset to engineering motosport and the UK!! Incredibly interesting thnaks.

Fantastic engineering effort to blow ours minds!

The true successor to the F1

Why did Gordon say the brakes were AP, when they clearly have Brembo stamped on them? Utterly jaw dropping car.

@Neale78

2 жыл бұрын

"In 2000, Brembo purchased the UK based racing brake and clutch manufacturer AP Racing."

@TedTuned

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neale78 thanks, I didn't know that.

Best masterpiece for ever

I wanted to see that rear suspension rocker! Caught a glimpse there.

So happy it's a manual and naturally aspirated.

@bmstylee

2 жыл бұрын

So they decided to use obsolete technology. It's not 1992 anymore. Semiautos are faster and just as reliable.

@Shadowboost

2 жыл бұрын

@@bmstylee and not as involving and enjoyable. His customers literally asked him for the manual

@logwind

2 жыл бұрын

@@bmstylee yyou're missing the point.

@bmstylee

2 жыл бұрын

@@logwind and that point is what? That slower is better? There's a reason you don't see antique technology in the top level of performed vehicles. Performance trumps everything else.

@bmstylee

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shadowboost so lower performance is a selling point?