Azrael has the deathwing keyword so if you put him leading the Hellblasters they gain the keyword. Therefore they get the whole benefits of the IC detachment

@william9557

Ай бұрын

They would love all he gives: +1 wound rolls 4+ invuln 4+ fnp against mortals once a game Sustained hits 1 Another S8 gun Powerful melee for emergencies

I love that terminators finally see some play

For the Lion!

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

For the lion🔥

Just played Dark Angels at a Local Tournament earlier today, can confirm Inner Circle is a solid Detachment and most of your advice is pretty good. I wish I had thought about some of the Anti-Vehicle stuff because all I brought was Chainfists on Terms and Maces on Knights.

Fantastic video. Exactly what I was doing on my own. Thanks for spelling it out!

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

My pleasure 💪💪💪 Glad you enjoyed it

@Tylerjstratton

Ай бұрын

@@vfminiatures if you did a space wolves one next due to their new champ of Russ buff that would be sweeeeeett!!!!

Been waiting for this content!! Heck yea!!!

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

🔥🔥🔥

Deathwing knight are like discounted custodes warden, nearly the same output and durability. Which means they will have major problem vs melta spam sister and zeraphim mortal wound bomb due to it being repeatable and punch up in pts very hard, i personally would run hellblaster to have tools to deal with sister body spam.

Thank you for this One!

Now that dev wounds are mortal wounds again, the lion gives a 4+ FNP against dev wounds when you need it

Will use this to try to build something competetive, played only with things i think are cool but would be fun to also be able to win haha

I'm fucking with it. Great video, bro.

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Appreciate it💪

Deathwing Assault+3" Deepstrike is there to try to find a spot on turn 1 to start getting Behind enemy lines and engage on all fronts. Been considering just having a solo Termi Chappy with it.

Would love to see you do one of these for death guard

Really good video. But as a beginner I didn’t know what units you were talking about most of the time. Maybe a quick pic of the unit to give a clue what unit you’re talking about. 👍👍👍

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Thank you! Very interesting perspective - definitely worth a consideration. Worst case - I usually give enough of the name for you to be able to google it if need be, but I’ll think about adding pics💪

@lambo7

Ай бұрын

@@vfminiatures great. I’ve subbed. 👍

Lion's Gladius 2000pts Space Marines Dark Angels Strike Force (2000 points) Gladius Task Force CHARACTERS Apothecary Biologis (85 points) • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon • Enhancement: Fire Discipline Azrael (105 points) • 1x Lion’s Wrath 1x The Lion Helm 1x The Sword of Secrets Captain in Gravis Armour (90 points) • 1x Boltstorm gauntlet 1x Power fist 1x Relic fist • Enhancement: Artificer Armour Lieutenant (80 points) • 1x Heavy bolt pistol 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • Enhancement: The Honour Vehement Lion El’Jonson (300 points) • Warlord • 1x Arma Luminis 1x Fealty OTHER DATASHEETS Eradicator Squad (190 points) • 1x Eradicator Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Melta rifle • 5x Eradicator • 5x Bolt pistol 5x Close combat weapon 3x Melta rifle 2x Multi-melta Gladiator Lancer (160 points) • 1x Armoured hull 1x Icarus rocket pod 1x Ironhail heavy stubber 1x Lancer laser destroyer 2x Storm bolter Gladiator Lancer (160 points) • 1x Armoured hull 1x Icarus rocket pod 1x Ironhail heavy stubber 1x Lancer laser destroyer 2x Storm bolter Gladiator Lancer (160 points) • 1x Armoured hull 1x Icarus rocket pod 1x Ironhail heavy stubber 1x Lancer laser destroyer 2x Storm bolter Hellblaster Squad (230 points) • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Plasma incinerator • 9x Hellblaster • 9x Bolt pistol 9x Close combat weapon 9x Plasma incinerator Infiltrator Squad (100 points) • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Marksman bolt carbine • 4x Infiltrator • 4x Bolt pistol 4x Close combat weapon 1x Helix Gauntlet 1x Infiltrator Comms Array 4x Marksman bolt carbine Scout Squad (65 points) • 1x Scout Sergeant • 1x Astartes shotgun 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Scout • 3x Astartes shotgun 4x Bolt pistol 4x Close combat weapon 1x Missile launcher Scout Squad (65 points) • 1x Scout Sergeant • 1x Astartes shotgun 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Scout • 3x Astartes shotgun 4x Bolt pistol 4x Close combat weapon 1x Missile launcher Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (210 points) • 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack • 1x Inferno pistol 1x Vanguard Veteran weapon • 9x Vanguard Veteran with Jump Pack • 9x Inferno pistol 9x Vanguard Veteran weapon Exported with App Version: v1.17.0 (45), Data Version: v430

Great video with a lot of good advice 👍 Vith lists looks really interesting, bit uf someone (me) would insist on running hellblasters how would adjust these two lists? Also, which weapons would you run in the repulsor? I am leaning towards max las-weapons but the las-talons feel quite mediocre 🤔

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

I’d not run them in Gladius, but I’d definitely take Azrael+Hellblasters+Repulsor combo in IC instead of normal terminators+chaplain, and cut one JPI For repulsor - I’d take las, because the Gatling is a bit meh without RRs to wound to fish for dev.

@Rasmus.Elnegaard

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the reply 👍 While it might not be opti al, I might still force Hellblasters into the Gladius as they are my favourite unit 😆

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Absolutely! Rule of cool works

@william9557

Ай бұрын

​@@Rasmus.Elnegaardrun two packs of 10 hellblasters One with Azrael and one with maybe a librarian or something, and give them fire discipline 40 plasma shots raining down will make anyone crap their pants Then add like dreads and such to be scary for support so they don't get ruined in melee

Great upload man. Came up against Chaos renegades list and just pulled through a victory only thanks to some clutch rolling on my side. Struggled to deal with the speed they can move and those fucking 21 man blob of occursed cultists that can surge when shot at!! Ran Gladius TF. Your list looks recommendation looks great ***Edit - Where can we find your battle reports for DA?!

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Well done! 👍 Renegades are tough as hell, what list you ran? Here’s the link to the report for DA kzread.info/dash/bejne/naJ2pqWTj8Tgj5M.htmlsi=tcAZAIwuhQ7XCxO8

@richardjohnstone1374

Ай бұрын

@@vfminiatures Gladius (2000 points) Space Marines Dark Angels Strike Force (2000 points) Gladius Task Force CHARACTERS Azrael (105 points) • 1x Lion’s Wrath 1x The Lion Helm 1x The Sword of Secrets Chaplain in Terminator Armour (90 points) • 1x Crozius arcanum 1x Storm bolter • Enhancement: The Honour Vehement Ezekiel (75 points) • 1x Book of Salvation 1x Mind Wipe 1x The Deliverer 1x Traitor’s Bane Lion El’Jonson (300 points) • Warlord • 1x Arma Luminis 1x Fealty OTHER DATASHEETS Deathwing Knights (235 points) • 1x Knight Master • 1x Great weapon of the Unforgiven • 4x Deathwing Knight • 4x Mace of absolution Deathwing Knights (235 points) • 1x Knight Master • 1x Great weapon of the Unforgiven • 4x Deathwing Knight • 4x Power weapon Hellblaster Squad (230 points) • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Plasma incinerator 1x Plasma pistol • 9x Hellblaster • 9x Bolt pistol 9x Close combat weapon 9x Plasma incinerator Infiltrator Squad (100 points) • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Marksman bolt carbine • 4x Infiltrator • 4x Bolt pistol 4x Close combat weapon 1x Helix Gauntlet 1x Infiltrator Comms Array 4x Marksman bolt carbine Inner Circle Companions (180 points) • 6x Inner Circle Companion • 6x Calibanite greatsword 6x Heavy bolt pistol Land Raider (240 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Godhammer lascannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Multi-melta 1x Storm bolter 1x Twin heavy bolter Redemptor Dreadnought (210 points) • 1x Icarus rocket pod 1x Macro plasma incinerator 1x Onslaught gatling cannon 1x Redemptor fist 1x Twin fragstorm grenade launcher Exported with App Version: v1.17.0 (45), Data Version: v430

Vanguard veterans can make use of Relic Teleportarium to deep strike 3" You pay a 25pt tax but then you can make use of the detachment rule and stratagems over JPI. They make for good skirmishers. I like a brick of Thunderhammer wielding terminators for a 1st turn 3 inch deep strike. Sure they can't do anything that turn. But dropping 40+ wounds into the enemy deployment zone goes hard. Then with the Ancient and captain you can have Singular Will so they stand a good chance of getting into engagement range of multiple units. With the stratagem you can likely fish for devastating wounds for the Thunderhammers.

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Both combos pretty good - I’m worried of AVC’s having a massive Ap1 problem, even with +1 to wound they’d struggle into anything decent. And it’s still like an almost a 300pts unit. Regarding terminator in DZ - yep, it’s a very solid argument 😂😂😂

A little correction , The Lion is either Damage 1 (and not damage 2) sweep or Damage 4 strike

Both are solid lists Yuri. Any changes I’d make would be due to model collection. I have no Inner Circle Companions because there were just awful upon release. Would like swap out for Blade Guard?

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

BG are pretty good as well, pretty much a clean swap imho

@LordErebusBloodmoon

Ай бұрын

I bought two boxes immediately and just proxied them as bladeguard till next now

Is there a list that uses both Lion and and azrael together? I just started warhammer and bought a lot of models because I thought they were cool, but I know nothing of the gameplay yet. I bought Lion, Azrael, deathwing knights and the combat patrol, can I do a working list using what I got or do they not work well together? I just want to know what would be the best thing for me to do to start a decent army goinf forward from here, thank you.

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Yes, that list is definitely doable and they have no counter synergy whatsoever. Both are great characters helping with different things in the army, perhaps a bit expensive to have both, but not crazily so As for starting the army - I’d just buy 10 normal and 15 Deathwing knights terminators and build painted them. They will serve you a long time and won’t become obsolete. Check out my Patreon if you’d like full guidance on the collection and army tactics 😉

Question. Why would you recommend the Termie Chaplain when Inner Circle already grants +1 to wound on objectives? I'm assuming you'd drop them on an objective with Deathwing Assault. I was going with a Termi Librarian to get Sustained hits before

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

@@jamesbgood25 yes, chappy is still valid, sometimes you don’t fight on vowed objectives

@jamesbgood25

Ай бұрын

Makes sense. The oath target may not always be on the vowed objective either. 🤔

I think you underestimate the power of Hellblasters...in gladius with Fire Diciplin they are brutal. A 5 man squad can kill a Landraider with one round of shooting, they are strong as f.

@heathhooper3699

Ай бұрын

This. Straight buster. I melted a stompa with one round of shooting. I have been running 2x hellblaster squads, one with Azzy and one with fire discipline LT.

@NBeaver-bx4yl

22 күн бұрын

Agreed. I have ran 10 Hellblasters with Azrael for like 20 games now and it is absolutely deadly ! Their kill count is just ridiculous and they have been deleting units basically everytime they were shooting

Lion got too old for a 2 Damage sweep.

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Lol, true😂

Hey, I'm quite new to the more competative side of 40k. I'm curious and wonder why you always use Jump Intercessors, could you not run Outriders also or instead? They seem quite similar and could fulfill the same role. Abit tougher with T5 and 12 wounds per unit. You lose some melee but gain more ranged shots, similar OC etc. So why is Jump Packs so often rated much higher than Outriders?

@vfminiatures

13 күн бұрын

Firstly - welcome to the hobby💪 Now to answer your question - they are actually pretty different in more ways than you can imagine, to name a few: 1) JPI have smaller footprint - easier to hide. 2) JPI can go through walls. 3) JPI can do MWs on the charge, and with Grenade you can throw plus power fist on sergeant they can punch up for 80pts, Outriders can’t, they are anemic in combat. These are just the big things. So yes, Outriders are tougher but you don’t necessarily need that extra toughness for their role. The benefits definitely outweigh on the JPI side

@joke_d

11 күн бұрын

@@vfminiatures I see I see, didn't think about going through walls or the grenades. I thought it might have something to do with their ability atleast and the extra melee weapons + power fist, well making up for the worse toughness or shooting. Thank you!

doesn't Azrael grant the deathwing keyword to his attached squad for the Eradicators?

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

He can’t join them, otherwise he totally would and it would be an awesome combo

@shark3y06

Ай бұрын

@@vfminiatures lol well thats no good. Great video as always 💪😎

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

@shark3y06 thank you🤗

I'm leaning vanguard detachment for the vect and -1hit

@StorytellerCharm

Ай бұрын

I am as well. I literally commented this in the patreon. It just feels amazing to Infiltrate the DWK with terminator Chaplain

@Johnnymarzo

Ай бұрын

@@StorytellerCharm I'm actually running zero dwk in the vanguard list 😅

@Johnnymarzo

Ай бұрын

Az+LT+10 hellblaster, judiciar+10 ICC, combi LT with vect, lion, 2 impulsor (ICC, and then 1 for the durable secondaries), 1x5 jump pack int, 1x3 bolter inceptor, 1x5 infiltrators, 2x5 scouts, 2 vindicators

@StorytellerCharm

Ай бұрын

@@Johnnymarzo oh interesting. What are you running?

@StorytellerCharm

Ай бұрын

@@Johnnymarzo Quite the fun list. I’m just now starting to delve into my competitive journey thanks to this channel and the coaching I’m finding to be very helpful. My list that is still in the rough draft phase is: Az+10 Assault Intercessors Combi lieutenant with Vect 3x5 JPI 1x6 devastator centurions 2x5 DWK both led by a Termie Chaplain (one with Blade Driven deep) 1x5 Scouts 2x Gladiator Lancers Looking to screen threats with efficient units, stream roll or tie up with strong melee, and shoot the enemy off the board with the very maneuverable firepower

Deathwing termies deleted a brutalis dreadnought right after the update. Very nice.

@killmiky

Ай бұрын

Were they with a chaplain?

Only way I'm playing is oops all bikes. Also company of hunters gives you battleine bikes which is somewhat relevant now and fall back and shoot is still useful and you can have your biggest ball of bikes have the enhancement for charge as well. Also the 9 inch scout one let's you turn one charge a unit an entire galaxy away. 27 plus 2d6 on outriders lollll

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

I see a man from Chogoris has entered the chat💪😄

@harrumphreys4841

Ай бұрын

@@vfminiaturesheheh, I use DA Ravenwing rules for my White Scars

I think I am too new to 40k for this video. Mostly went over my head 😂

@vfminiatures

16 күн бұрын

Let me know if have any questions- I’d be happy to answer them 🤗

Awesome video. I plan on trying both lists. What weapon layout are you using on your repulsor?

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I’d probably do las

Eradicators are Gravis and take up 2 slots in the transport....It has a capacity of 6 so only 3 man can be taken

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

You probably mean repulsor executioner - I was referring to regular repulsor🤗

I know my friend just wants to play a terminator army with terminator HQs . And it really doesn't work.

Lion sweep is only dam1 sadly 😢

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Yep, mixed up with G-man

Nice list. You'r cutting the fat

My wife is getting me the ultimate starter kit for my birthday. What's the bare minimum I need to turn That starter army to dark angels? My kids are going to play the nids.

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

Firstly, congrats! I hope your kids enjoy warhammer 💪💪💪 Next - you get 1 5 man squad of termies, 5 Infernus marines and 2 characters for SM, so not much for sure. It’s about 1/8 of what you’d need for an actual 2K list. Let me know if I can have any other questions 🤗

@DEATHREAPER330

Ай бұрын

@vfminiatures ok, thank you. I was hoping there was a way to transition that starter army to dark angels to play against the nids that come with it. Thanks for the reply and info.

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

@DEATHREAPER330 you can definitely start playing models inside as the dark angels for a very small format army. Same for nids for your kids. It will be just a bit strange to have just 3-4 units each, but it’s playable. I’m pretty sure that box comes with something like “combat patrol” rules, which are close to what we use in big 40k, almost the same. It won’t be Dark angels themed I think, just generic marines, but it’s good for a beginner. You should start there and slowly get going building your army up💪 Good luck 👍

@DEATHREAPER330

Ай бұрын

@@vfminiatures i will at least paint them how i want to do my dark angels army so when i do get there they can fit in.

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

@DEATHREAPER330 great idea, that’s definitely helpful

Still no the Kitty ? Tsk tsk tsk

@vfminiatures

Ай бұрын

He’s very good now, I’ve added him to melee damage category