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It's hard to believe nobody has commented on this yet. Old school stuff and doing shit right isn't as easy as just slapping on a few coats of body filler and then painting. I'm an old man and haven't seen anybody work over a body panel like this in years. It's good to see that some are still keeping the real art of body repair alive. It's hard work and time consuming and most are probably not willing to pay what the end result here would cost if you were paying a shop to do this work, but it is very gratifying to watch. I can't tell you how frustrating I found body work to be when I was first learning.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Well Russell, I'am glad you were the first one to comment. I appreciate the support. And yes learning to do bodywork the old school or correct way is both fustrating and time consuming. But well worth it in the long haul. Anything worth doing is worth doing right. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. Thank you for the comment Russell Lane

I have been a autobody pro 45years now. My dad taught me to pic and file when I was first learning this work. Went an entire year without using any filler. I still use this process when doing restorations. Metal in most vehicles today is too thin but the process is invaluable in understanding how to work metal.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly how I learned. My Dad and the guys that worked for him taught me. Thanks for the watching and commenting

@VanishingNomad

Жыл бұрын

The way to deal with the thin metals today, wrap your file in sand paper. Use that to get the metal almost done. Then at the very end, smooth your tooling marks with the file.

Great video, Troy. You took your time to explain it correctly which not a lot of KZreadrs do.

I’m 26 about to be 27,been painting since 20-21 I forget exactly when. I love all sides and I’m finally getting into the body work as much as possible and love to do old schools. So thank you and as a young in I’ll try and keep alive the true ways 🤘🏼 great work

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Keep at it. It takes a lot of time to really learn. But in the end you have have a genuine skill, that is always in demand.

I can see that you do things the old school way and this is how it supposed to be done.. Very good stuff. Thanx

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and commenting

Hands down the most Dedicated fabricator, just to imagine masterpieces you've made ..

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I really appreciate it.

Helpful stuff I can use for my project, the less body filler the better! Thanks for sharing!

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

A farmer has to fix their own equipment but mine could not. 3+ miles away was the closest shop. I spent a lot of time as the oldest, you could get a drivers license for farm/school. I watched the owner Russ, file a door, then shrink metal. Right or wrong, but he used a row of wet rags 4-5” away from his torch & pick hammer in the other. Cool and repeat. He used steel wool dripping in acetone hand pumped from a 55 gallon barrel. After wiping it off, he opened his wood tool box, heated a wood paddle, wiped it thru tallow, applied flux and leaded the lows spots (Business care thick / like those under your square-straight edge. After 6-7 wipes with the paddle, he hand sanded the repair while the edges feathered & disappeared. Wiped or more so scrubbed, wiped off, sprayed primer, clean gun, mixed some paint from 3 cans that look as old as him, then painted it. It took 2 1/2 hours max. Never forgot that process I witnessed. The door went on the parts car, a 65 Fury III four door his wife drove 25+ miles one way to town to get parts, twice a day. Two day later, I was dropped off to pick up the tractor and the car pulled up. She had 5 boxes of parts in a trunk large enough to hide a marching band. There was the door...just like new. Matched paint was perfect and flawless straight finish. I asked, he said I will buff it a little in a month once the paint get hard. Then he walked off to do a timing chain on a Chrysler. Your video did my heart well to see this method relived...memories! Saw it then, witnessed it again in your efforts. I appreciate your efforts keeping this skill alive. I remember when judges used a paint thickness gauges with a magnetic mix of a tire gauge. 50 different types now but that part of the old school of car shows and who one & lost. Thank you for the video!

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Great story. My dad was a lead guy. I have all his tools. Thanks for sharing your story

Nice work, thumbs up!

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Loved it great job

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Avoided a bicyclist riding diagonally through an intersection in the rain probably had 100% of his focus on not having the tire slide under him or just a moron. I avoided him but managed to clip an industrial dumpster with superficial damage. I'm glad no one died and this gives me something new to work on. I got a malwakee addiction so i have the tools to remove the panels or learn to fix it without.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

thanks for the comment and Good luck on the project, Troy

Good news my uncle who was a body man is teaching me his techniques for body work metal forming and it’s exactly how you are showing in this video. He told me he’s gonna teach me as long as I pay attention listen and do the work. We’re 2 days into my project. I am working on a 68 C-10 and he found a good donor truck for body pieces if needed. I’m super duper stoked and the finished product before primer and paint will be shown on KZread

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Good for you man. It's a lost art. The only way it can be maintained is the older guys passing it on to the younger ones. Thats how I learned. After you learn it it will be up too you to pass on the knowledge

Another master on the loose! Sensei! plss do hire me! 😍

this is very cool,i had no idea this was a thing,thank you!

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.

@MrCbell57

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not. People do not file sheet metal to block it out. Never.

Great content

Good morning Troy, excellent video. We have lost this art of metal work to the insurance companies, in favor of just being parts changers. Healing salve in a can has become the preferred method of repair. I have been to Europe in the craftsman shops of Aston Martin and Jaguar Heritage, they use all old school techniques such as you. I can't get over their welding techniques even just using a wire welder. Their plug welds look like they used a compression spot welder. Just beautiful. Thanks again for informative video. Take care and good luck.

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve! Glad you enjoyed the video

Thank you. Excellent video.

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you liked the video

Man this is awesome.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

This is so cool!!

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Thank you Mr Troy

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

You are welcome! good luck on your project

Nice work

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

No filler but you get thinner metal too. I find this useful but not for every situation. There lessons to be learned from the paintless dent removal dudes.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, thank you for the comment

Lost art. Thanks for sharing!

@troykane

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Nice job ,buddy,

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Thank You Cesar

legend mate

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Thank You

on old cars only! dont try this on any newer cars the metal is way too thin

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree. This video is geared toward older vehicles.

Impressive

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You

Very well done !! Do my car next please !!

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Come on down!

Interesting technique Troy. Thank you for teaching. I do metal restorations for a living and always try learning new ways to do it. I typically do slapper file and dolly, shrinking disc if needed, dykem layout fluid and more slapper file. Dents I can’t get to from both sides I pull with a stud gun. What do you think of the old school technique of using an oxy-acetylene torch to raise low spots ? Been trying it lately and it sure is tricky!

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

The torch method is how I learned to shrink. I have never used a shrinking disc. I learned from old school pick and file guys. My dad and his crew taught me mostly every technique I use today. Thanks for the comment and good luck with your project

I do this with some 80 grit on a hardwood block I hate filling all the scratches from the grinder and file. Lots of ways to do this process, overall good job. you ever use a shrinking disc? definitely cuts down on the filing.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a pretty good idea. Also much less agressive to the surface. Thanks for sharing

You don't elaborate on highs and lows enough. Hammering highs down till you file them flush with the lows may not be what is needed. Sometimes you have to raise the lows for proper job. It's a little more complicated than you show for diy'ers. Licensed bodyman of 45 years. Hope this helps

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

thanks for the input

@hankclingingsmith8707

3 жыл бұрын

DID NIT KNOW YOU NEEDED A LICENSE TO BE A BODYMAN

@barryjohnson7941

3 жыл бұрын

@@hankclingingsmith8707 it's a tricky situation. Four years of schooling plus work experience to pass provincial tests and then a red seal test to cover the whole country of Canada. There are also small shops that are not licensed. Problem with bodywork is being flat rate is is strictly up to the technician. A well trained non licensed guy can do a better job than a licensed guy who cuts corners just to make a buck.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

@@hankclingingsmith8707 I don't believe you do either

Why are you using a body file when in exploratory phase? Why not use sandpaper and avoid removing unnecessary metal? Once you find your lows and work those out with a panel spot puller of some type (Vevor comes to mind) and use the body file to fine tune at that point. Seems like an excessive amount of unneeded 'flat panel' filing to me. With a panel spot puller you can work out alllll of the low spots and most likely get away without any body filler at all and just a couple coats of high build. Just my thoughts.

Tip: when you do your filler work; align all of your panels and get them on the car. Get them perfect gaps. This insures your body is continuous.

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Well said Kevin! Thanks for the input

Very nice instructions. how much force you use when using the picking hammer?

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

As needed. Usually just tapping little by little

Nice

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

@TheRealMisterChopShop

3 жыл бұрын

@@troykane You are a legend ...when I went to body school they taught me the exact thing no filler all metal ...Just use the file dollies and hammers

I love this and have wondered about how to level metal....using a file do you have to worry about filing through? Do you need to have certain thickness metal in order to use filing techniques like this? Is the file you using have a 'grit' or something similar that references how aggressive it is?

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Filing thru is a possibility on thinner metal. Older cars have much thicker metal. The idea is to use the file to show you the highs and lows. Then you the hammer and dolly to correct those areas. Then repeat with the file. Hope that was helpful to you. Good luck on your project.

Great video. I have been working on a 54 belair, replacing sheet metal etc etc. I am new to body work but I will give this a try. What files are used? Thanks for the video

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

You need files for auto body repair. Eastwood would be a good source. Thank you and good luck

@eddss123

3 жыл бұрын

@@troykane thank you for taking the time to reply. I will give it a shot

What do you put on the bare metal to prevent rust? I have an old 1933 dodge truck that I'm starting to do some metal work on. This weekend I'm planning on using chemical paint stripper in preparation for the work. I don't get much time to work on it so it will be setting at times. Wd-40, some sort of rust inhibitor, or......

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

I would not use WD40 that will cause you a lot of paint problems later. You could just lay a light coat of primer down, from a rattle can. Or you can purchase a rust inhibitor from a company like Eastwood. Good luck on the project!

The issue with people doing this is when you remove sheet metal by shaving it, it leaves thinner metal with little to no integrity left. And it’s very hard work, Too. It’s why as a body guy myself I use friction heat shrinking disks. Also Stud gun, hammer and dolly, and light filler with surface builder and be done with this same project in a fraction of time. And I would also use powdered guide coat so as to even have to sand that spray paint guide coat off. I’d never use 36 grit on any auto panel even if it were 1949 Chevy truck . Also, But if you put a dent right in your crease that is already straight everything you are doing now goes right out the window. You cannot file straight a dented crease or ridge. Also filing sheet metal dulls files terribly and you need to buy new ones to replace them. Big expense, and so much labor and as hard as you are working on an already flat door skin, I could have glazed it, spray painted it and gotten paid for my 60 minutes of work. And been in to the next. We don’t have this kind of time and no one wants to work this hard on one single door! But good luck. You’d be better off using lead Troy. If you want to file something. Your way is merely one of many ways, but It’s not the way people are going to be using. Nor did people ever do this in the old days. They filed down skin coats of lead is all. Just saying. My opinion. Best of luck.

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the opinion and Comment Rick

@robertreeve310

Жыл бұрын

Sorry guy,you missed the whole point.he’s showing how it was done back in the day you needed three guys to set a el dorado hood

@robertreeve310

Жыл бұрын

Also it’s a special file used to be called a vixen file. You don’t get them at ace hardware. Actually you used to be able to send them out and get them sharpened on the tool truck.

That old metal thick👍👍....Should i send some money for a new stand damn😂

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Cash is always accepted

Can you make a video on how to align door hinges. I have a 2 door honda civic si.

@troykane

Жыл бұрын

I'll put that on the list

about the guide coat... you said to just give it a light coat. any problem with going for full coverage. i feel like i could see the contrast better.

@troykane

10 ай бұрын

Sure thats fine. Whatever works for you

A dying almost dead trade . Its a throwaway world 10:33

do you worry about thinning the metal. would sandpaper be a better choice

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

No, not on a panel like this. This metal is thick. Thinner metal panels, yes. You could use a finer file on thinner panels. You could use a 36 or 40 grit paper to show you the high and low areas. But the real key is the file.

Do a video of a long quarter panel like 57 Chevrolet

@troykane

2 ай бұрын

Same principals just blend one section into the next

Do you think a spot puller would've been a better approach instead of thinning the metal? Or do you think the panel is too thick for the spot puller to pull?

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

The metal is plenty thick for this technique. There is one area that I did use the stud gun(off camera) and then followed up with the pick and file. Thanks for the comment

Are you ever worried about over working the metal? I have prepped cars for paint and painted for like 18 years. Even in that time the metal has seemed to get thinner. Is this able to be done on all metal? Or should I worry about a thickness l?

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, you can file threw. You have to be aware of what you are doing. Generally the newer the car the thinner the metal. This technique is mostly used on older cars. Thanks for the Comment. Troy

How much of his result is due to tapping the metal and how much is just because of the highs being ground away? I'm scared to do so much filing, my Suzuki jeep uses 0.8mm (1/32" or 0.031") steel

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

This technique is more for older classic vehicles. The older vehicle had much thicker metal. I would caution you to very careful using this on an imported vehicle with thin metal.

I can respect the effort, but with the inevitable high-fill primer coats required for a quality finish anyway, it's hard to justify all that working of the structure. Of course since I am a composite guy, I would putty it up, shoot it with primer, pull a mold and lay up a carbon/epoxy part!

Today's metal is not the same as it was when we could metal finish, i.e. high strength steel. It's also too thin to file and grind. It doesn't react the same with regard to heat generated by grinding to pull metal up or out.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

I agree John. This technique is better suited to older vehicles. Thanks for the comment

Are you making the metal thinner with the file?

@troykane

Жыл бұрын

Yes a little.

I just now was looking at a forum about this same subject and they all said you are either a liar or a artisan to do body work without body filler. Apparently they haven’t watched this master at work. Can I do a whole body with this technique as I don’t want to use body filler

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes entire panels, and a complete vehicle can be done using this technique. The key is time & patience. Good luck on your project

Can you repair rusty metal without using Bondo?

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

A rust thru hole would need a patch welded in. If you welded the patch flush (Butt Welded) you could then grind it smooth and use this technique. So, the answer is yes.

some ospho will prep the metal regardless of using gloves or not

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

yep

Scraping off that good metal made me cringe, but you gotta do what you gotta do!!

What sort of file is that please

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Just a regular flat body file. Purchase the file here amzn.to/3E2OtZ7 Purchase the handle here amzn.to/3k2Zt0E thanks and good luck

I like to wear gloves to stop the rust. 20 sec later- let's rub this panel bare handed lol. Jk thanks for the video.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

At least you were paying attention. To get a good feel, you have to remove the gloves.

@genwatie2191

3 жыл бұрын

@@troykane I know I was just playing around thought it was funny.

this door was good to start with dont waste our time and show us some real metal work. How are you going to pick from the back side with glass and gear in the door???

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

There is no glass or regulator in this door. I did pick what I could reach from the inside. I used weld on pull pins for the areas I can't reach with a pick bar.

The only issue I see when doing this is your metal will get very thin in spots.

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

That's a valid point. You have to be aware of how much you are removing. The idea is panel is being worked flat with hammer and dolly. The file is more of a smoothing device to check for highs and lows. Thanks for the Comment!

Isn't your panel getting thinner with all that filing??

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Not likre you would think. I am mostly using the file to show the high spots, tap them down. And show the low spots and bring them up.

First mistake is to grind the paint off. That takes way too much metal off your work. Its better to sand it. Sure, it takes longer, but it leaves a lot more metal.

@troykane

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip

Don't want to grind all this metal off. But you just keep grinding it away.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

It's the process. The metal is thick and actual I am not removing that much. This is a tried and true process of metal working.

Im bodyman , I dont see the damage , I see you only sand , not see dent .

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Saul, so at the 6:50 time mark you'll see I have sprayed guide coat and filed the area. I don't have a dent, but I do have highs and lows that I'm working out. At 22:28 I show an area with a ding. This area was also low. I had no access from behind to pick it. So off camera I used the stud gun and welded pull pins to raise that area. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.

@saulromero6973

3 жыл бұрын

@@troykane ok Troy is a good job , is verry nice .

I’m

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

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Amazing techniques,nothing to add to it.

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the comment. Thank You!

Just not practical in the real world of production

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. It's a specialty procedure. I owned a production collision repair shop for many years. It's a turn and burn type business. This is more of sharing old school traditional repair techniques to those who may never have been exposed. Thanks for the comment.

Old skool is best. Bondo is crap.

Get to work your doing way to much talking

@troykane

2 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

you need to do more work and less talk. I understand you are trying to explain but you tend to go on and on and on and on and on

@troykane

3 жыл бұрын

got it, thanks

@ashramdhan1582

3 жыл бұрын

No he did fine let him talk he is atleast kind enough showing us his skills, perhaps you can show us without talking what skills you have plz.