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@Hermanubis1

7 ай бұрын

speak english properly. Two thousand 'and' ...., Stop saying guys omg. Super gay

@benchgoblin

7 ай бұрын

@@Hermanubis1UK english standardly uses “and” after thousand or hundred, which is *very* ironic to tell him to stop that when your other obsessive comments tell him to stop using *americanized (which you spelled wrong) english

wouldn't say he's exploiting the rules or anything nefarious at all - he's simply using the rules in a way that works best for him. which is smart.

@johndoherty-hh2ck

7 ай бұрын

It’s a simple tradeoff; he lifts at a pace he is more in control of vs. not knowing exactly what is needed to win. There’s no loophole here. A loophole would be a benefit with no downside.

@kamyaputraiswarapranidhana6568

7 ай бұрын

​@@johndoherty-hh2ck in other words, he always came and gave his best lift all the time.

@jovanleon7

7 ай бұрын

​@@johndoherty-hh2ckhe just likes to give everyone else the standard for the lift that day. It just happens that the standards he loves to give are world records.

Dude simply removed all the pressure of competition. He's simply competing with himself and his goal. Brilliant.

He's gaining an advantage by 'gaming' the system, but if it's legal, fair play to him! He's still putting the weight above his head.

@vk-br1dr

7 ай бұрын

Can you elaborate more on the exploit?

@AdStellae-

7 ай бұрын

@@vk-br1dr It's explained very well at the end of the video.

@scottessery100

7 ай бұрын

Anyone else can do it so it’s not unfair He’s just smart and strong 209kg wtf!!!

@abner2193

7 ай бұрын

@@vk-br1dr That was the point of the whole video - lifting in the B session just for the c&j.

@tac328

7 ай бұрын

Theres downsides you cant game the competition between lifts. He’s just going out banking on being strongest

I thought this was gonna be about what he's doing to pull it off the floor so slowly and still make the biggest cleans in his division.

@Jelle97S

7 ай бұрын

Same. When I first saw his clean I felt cheated because it looked so unreal.

@robcastvisuals3529

7 ай бұрын

How does he doooo ittttt?!?!?

@a5noble2

7 ай бұрын

Yeah its just clickbait.

@pistolpete7777

7 ай бұрын

He isnt pulling it slowly on purpose. Its maximum weight. He just utilizes a pronounced "dbl knee bend" to accelerate the hell out of it

@razrramon2256

7 ай бұрын

Same Fote his technique was helping

Using the rules to his advantage. This is exactly what competition is all about. Kudos to his strategic thoughtfulness.

Honestly if it works for him it works for him, not only he’s a beast he’s also really smart and imo without ego to take this approach, I am very happy for him. Plus the whole posing thing is so endearing, I’m a fan now.

The fact that 140kg is a “light”snatch for him is nutty

@Oritaes

3 ай бұрын

His record snacth is 159kg

Seems kind of brilliant, to me. He gets to lift in his normal routine, improve with each lift, and then sit back and wait to see if anyone beats him. In golf you are playing against the course, not the other golfers. I see this as him doing the same, just with weights. He has no control over how others do, he just does his best and earns a result, whatever it is.

@invluo3219

5 ай бұрын

ima steal this analogy

Weight is weight and he's lifting the most. Good for him

Skip to 9 minutes. He lifts in the "b sessions." With a group that has lower qualifying stats instead of the top ranked and televised stars. He likes it because the atmosphere is more like practice and he has more control over the pacing of the lifts. Downside is A session knows what his max was and now has a direct goal to beat.

@c4un544n5

3 күн бұрын

Thanks man. This guy just keeps blabbering on without any visual guidance.

@c4un544n5

3 күн бұрын

Thanks man. This guy just keeps blabbering on without any visual guidance.

No problem here. Having a choice as an athlete is extremely important. Additionally, it allows for them to compete at their best. It helps with longevity, less burn out, and brings excitement to the B group. If anything, it will spark more competition and interest in the B group. More importantly, it brings the athlete more joy. Why not? Otherwise, its some power trip on the other end.

@RyTrapp0

3 ай бұрын

That's what's interesting though, in other sports that have some sort of format that divides up the competitors into different levels like this "A session, B session" format they'll hand pick the top competitors to be in the premier session, under the spotlight. And, from the promoter's/sanctioning body's/etc.'s perspective, they're depending on the attention that the big names generate to get people to tune in, show up, buy merch, etc.(running comps/events isn't exactly a big money making endeavor). Yea, it sucks for the competitors that they have to deal with the additional stresses that come with the spotlight session - but all the top competitors are competing under those same circumstances, so it isn't exactly 'unfair'. Those less than ideal circumstances are a 'reward' for being as good as you are lol. After all, 'the best' in most other sports are typically overcoming that extra hurdle of always competing under pressure in the spotlight, it tends to come with the territory of being a regular winner, nevermind record breaker.

I actually like that some weightlifters do bodybuilding type workouts. And I applaud Seb and Max for having the foresight, wherewithal and state of mind to include that type of programing in Weightlifting AI. I also like the energy between this father and son. It's so sweet.

@roncaruso931

7 ай бұрын

Roids and PEDs.

@WatchMeLiftt67

7 ай бұрын

@@roncaruso931still gotta do the work

@roncaruso931

7 ай бұрын

@WatchMeLift42 Work is just a technique. Roids do the strength.

@roncaruso931

7 ай бұрын

Roids roids roids. And some technique. @@Pantelifts10

@copicmarker1021

7 ай бұрын

@@roncaruso931 what's your total

The guy is a great example of what is means to "work smarter"...

@RyTrapp0

3 ай бұрын

TBF, he's probably a great example of both "working smarter" and "working harder" lol. Especially growing up with an ultra mega jacked AF body building dad!

@RENO_K

5 күн бұрын

​@@RyTrapp0😂 he's not just stronger he's smarter, Idk why ppl would think he only works smartly when he has the WR for it

Think it is a completely fair strategy and nothing more. If it's not prohibited he's not really exploiting anything. Credit to him for having a working strategy

@mambutuomalley2260

28 күн бұрын

Correction: If it‘s not prohibited he‘s not breaking any rules. Exploitation is something different.

Indonesian pride right there. There's actually ANOTHER Indonesian lifter who's right there at his level right now.

Props to him for finding a way to lift within the rules in a way that's best for him. As a fan though, IMO it's better to see the best of the best battle it out head to head.

whewwww!! I loved watching this. his energy, his rock solid catches. makes me want to lift better. great vid 👍🏽👍🏽

Always in hype when this guy lift impressive weights on clean and jerk despite having a small frame, what a beast!

@roncaruso931

7 ай бұрын

Rouds and PEDs

@Kettvnen

7 ай бұрын

id argue that the small frame is what caused his success, with a smaller frame you need less distance, therefore less effort to lift heavy weights

@klthebum

5 ай бұрын

​@Kettvnen he's about the same height as Li Dayin. He isn't that short.

Khadzhimurat Akkaev famously complained about his coach putting him in the B session at 2008 Olympics, where he ended up winning bronze (retroactively disqualified later on), saying that he could have done so much better with the ability to actually compete against the other lifters. At the previous olympics he had taken silver with a 405 total, so there is good reason to believe he may have beaten Ilya ilyin at the 2008 olympics had he been in the A session.

Fantastic Dad-son relationship, awesome.

This is just smart strategy if his team feels the timing environment helps him mimic his training better. Awesome work. Interesting video.

@Lee-ic2yn

3 ай бұрын

Part of being an athlete is the competition

It's no more gaming the system than it is to call late changes to the weight in order to give yourself more time, or to mess with the timings of your opponents in your session - which has been rife for decades. At the end of the day it is still within the rules.

Its up to the officials to enter wr holders or wc into the A sections if they so pleased. Otherwise he is just entering a category which has an A and B section. Makes no difference to the medals if they come from either A or B surely. I am very glad you are aware of these 'back door' entries and show us their awesome lifting. Thank you guys.

You can tell that he does not like the pressure of the clock.

@masayash

7 ай бұрын

Lol he made the 81 WR with 2 seconds in the clock

@RyTrapp0

3 ай бұрын

Eh... not so much "doesn't like it" as much as it's "they're giving me the choice to opt out, so WhyTF wouldn't I take it?". Dude certainly seems to be equally good under both circumstances, so I'm pretty sure it's just preference for someone on his level. It's not like there aren't people that are on both sides of that after all; while you often have your 'training room heroes' that are "the best in the room" in training but can't turn it on when the lights are on, there's also some people that can't perform at their best if they don't have some attention on them but will put on the performance of a lifetime under all the pressure & spotlight. We're all just wired different.

One of the very few times an athlete from my country who prefers performance over fame and an athlete who actually showing big brain move rather than showboating... very proud of him

I'm okay with Rahmat doing this because he's still lifting big in competitions and that's what I want to see. The lifters I am upset with are the ones who I am excited to see who end up just weighing in(Shi).

@PhiyackYuh

7 ай бұрын

I dont think you know the rules. Cheesy yong was injured but still need to weigh in to qualify.

@Tembru

7 ай бұрын

@@PhiyackYuh I'm aware of the rules, this discussion is about what we WANT from athletes. I am telling you I *don't want* the rules being setup where athletes just need one big total and then we never see them again. Shi doing a 160 snatch and then not doing it on the platform is annoying as a fan. He's "iNjUrEd" is stupid too, I also realize SquatJerkJournalist claimed it's just the c&j he can't do, but I don't care, put him on the platform and let's find out.

@johndoherty-hh2ck

7 ай бұрын

I agree. I know guys get injured but I want to see the top lifters more than once in the qualifying period. The method for Tokyo wasn’t great because if you got injured during the last two qualifying rounds which were both much less than a year you might be screwed. How about 3 qualifying totals over preceding 3 yrs and take average of top 2?

@faithhopecharity2843

7 ай бұрын

​@@TembruPhiyack Yu is trolling bro. Read his replies in other comments.

Congratulations Indonesia :D . Love from Malaysia

Smart. Weightlifters like control and he is in control of his session.

Its a brilliant strategy! Kudos to him! Thinking out the box👌🏽

I love that he poses the same way his father did, you can tell this man and his father truly loved the sport

Being a novice in weigh lifting, I didn't quite get the A session B session thing. I watch these videos to see these amazing athletes. Dang!

Smart team. All power to them. Others will just wish they'd thought of it first.

His dad is proper jacked and very useful when your legs 🦵 are tired. So wholesome 😊

i see. it's not really anything to criticize at imo. we're here to see the BEST lifts, NOT play mind games or force others to go cold cuz of waiting times. smart move on him, hope the sport changes so everyone lifts optimally.

@adamjancik5527

7 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more

@roncaruso931

7 ай бұрын

Roids and PEDs

@scottessery100

7 ай бұрын

@@roncaruso931no … really 😂😂😂😂

@roncaruso931

7 ай бұрын

Really.@@scottessery100

@ggh_-ts6pn

7 ай бұрын

@@roncaruso931everyone doing peds especially with so many Chinese and Russians in WL lol so who cares

TRUE, even IWF didnt include him at highlight when broke record only A session included. sad but Rahmat and his father know the best, me as fans need to support him \m/

The Sinclairs in this videos are calculated using the new formula. Using the old formula 96kg's (technically 95kg's) Tian's sinclair in c&j is on par with Rahmat's 209kg, if I remember correctly. If you check Liao Hui's new sinclair using the new formula that's totally absurd...Lasha's sinclair suddenly becomes not as impressive under the new formula though

@mambutuomalley2260

28 күн бұрын

But there‘s no real point in using the old formula if there was a need to change it, is there…

@GeorgeWolfski

28 күн бұрын

@@mambutuomalley2260 Well, folks keep using the old formula to make a case that Lasha's Sinclair is the second highest in history. What's new doesn't always imply what's better. From what I observed the new formula corrects for some anomalies in superheavy weights like Lasha's, but it also generates some new anomalies. For example, Liao Hui's 198kg as a 69kg, whose Sinclair was roughly the same as 210kg as a 77kg under the old formula, turns out to be miles ahead under the new formula, although in reality these two numbers are about the same level. I guess we gotta delve into the math behind to make judgements more conclusive, but that's beyond the scope of a KZread comment lol.

@mambutuomalley2260

28 күн бұрын

@@GeorgeWolfski I didn't claim it's better. It's the current standard. There's no need to use an old / outdated formula to argue results based on the current formula. That's all I'm saying. I agree with pretty much all of what you're saying (since it's pretty much all facts). I'm just saying that there's no need for such a comparison . 🤷‍♂ Could call it being pedantic 😄

Honestly, I toatally get him. I also hate the feeling of competition, but enjoy the feeling of pushing limits. But no recognition would also feel weird, so I'd also try to find a compromise

Can't knock him for executing a gameplan to his preference. Ideally we'd see the sport adapt to ensure the best athletes are competing against each other in real time, but that's a different discussion.

Not Really a loophole. He just wants it as it is. Like you said. Feels like a training session.

Sandbagging your entry total to get in the B or even C group really doesn't matter, if no one in the A group can catch your total, then you win regardless. Does make you wonder if the pressure of back to back A-sesh battling would really bring him down any in the total?

@PhiyackYuh

7 ай бұрын

Theres more pressure when you are in the same group as the best lifters in your weight class. People that compete knows this. Basically he wants to be the big fish in small pond aka b group.

@Jezzzza

7 ай бұрын

@@PhiyackYuh Yes, that is basically what I was questioning in my last sentence.

Won Jeong-sik did this at the 2018 Worlds -73kg. So that he could time his attempts better. Ended up winning silver.

A or B doesn't matter he is world record holder! he would win no matter what.

He perfected Kirill Pavlov's technique.

That's a big part of the eddie hall halfthor 500k deadlift debate. Lift during competition vs not. The b group is more laid back, apparently. But still a comp. I don't think it's cheating. He is setting himself up for success. If comp organizers don't like it they need to find another way to determine groups.

Good on him!

2:35 I’ve never seen someone jump that high out of a deep squat like that. That’s crazy

@droptopp3479

7 ай бұрын

If you really want to see a really impressive jump squat then search up Tyreek Hill. His jump and speed is amazing

@dABiGfATLol

7 ай бұрын

it doesnt look that high?

@Kettvnen

7 ай бұрын

​@@dABiGfATLollooks can be deceiving, and jumping high from a deep squat is harder than jumping from a half squat

@dABiGfATLol

7 ай бұрын

@@Kettvnen yea for asian ppl and ppl w gd calf mobility not particularly haha

@gingerayyle

7 ай бұрын

Not a criticism of Rahmat but I think he's just warming up-Shi Zhiyong has a ridiculous vertical out of the squat

That's actually a genius strategy. The idea might have come from his dad or inspired him to think of it

Give applaus to his father cz create the goat 👏

His CJ technique is wild

Clever use of the rules. If I wanted to get rid of it, I'd probably do something like seeding based off of the athlete's best performance within the last year or so instead of letting them self report. It's how high school track meets were done in my neck of the woods, but that probably has a bunch of issues as well.

PROUD OF RAHMAT

Would you even call this a "loophole" though? He's going and lifting and doing it just like anyone else, the only change is the "when" and I think it's perfectly fair for a lifter to want to have it so their timing is comfortable. It's not like he's exploiting a rule concerning technique or weight classes.

Can't wait to see him on the Olympics

Did 80s like it's nothing. WTF? This guy is a GOAT

This could have been a 30 second video -- he competes in B session at the end instead of A session folks!

last month at the 2023 Chinese Asian Games event, Rahmat broke the C&J world record 201 kg in the 73 kg class

orang indonesia memang cerdas, selalu mengakali cara untuk mendapatkan keuntungan, itu sudah mendarah daging di kita

This guy is weighing everything, even the pressure of competition

It's quite interesting to see how many loopholes there are in this sport.

When will people realise that the best thing an athlete can do for themselves, is to stop competing against others. Kudos to this chap.

@mambutuomalley2260

28 күн бұрын

Partake in a competition… to avoid competing… Do you see it? 😉

2:27 If you just wanna get to the point

9:55 that left foot slip made me shriek

I guess it comes down to what works for him - some people thrive on external pressure and others on internal pressure. If his deal is "my competition is myself and what's on the bar" and he doesn't really get anything out of the dance of entering and skipping weights with other athletes, then good for him. His coaches are going to feel unimportant though. I definitely get the timing part - you want to work up to your max just like in training and this way he controls that timing almost completely. Not knowing the final total for gold has to be a downside though. Is he getting paid more for WR's than for golds? Maybe that explains it?

Not only this, but the new loopholes involve long sleeve shirts, hair piled on top of their heads, extra wide belts, continuous knee wraps, etc. Everything has changed. Next they will allow lifters to be "equipped" like powerlifters.

Maybe working out who’s in the A or B session is what they have averaged/lifted and succeeded in there last 3 or 5 competitions they have entered.

Might get more crowds to the b sessions to if the some of the bigger names star competing there

This is like swimming for the Olympics, swimming for the main race, but not _in_ the main race, and winning just by your time alone, with very few people around.

@alaefarmestatesllc

7 ай бұрын

Yeah like Thors deadlift “world record” lmao

In one sentence: "This Guy" chose to compete in the quieter environment.

If a loophole is bad, it should be closed. If not, it's just strategy.

If you really want to make an interesting you take the total entrance A through how many ever then lottery ball the groups so no one knows what group they are in until the TC meeting ( obviously at least a week out so weight cutting & schedules would be able to be set up properly ). It would give great incentive for the lower totaling lifters to perform better and the top lifts would cycle up to the top as usual & time off the round accordingly & more exposure to every lifter since no one group is singled out. Would definitely make it very spicy💥🏋️‍♂️✨

inb4 the B session becomes the new A session.

It's must be because of the belt and tank, they gives you +25 VIT and 30+ STR.

8:28 - Using a snatch opener as a C&J warmup is such a crazy flex, but it makes perfect sense. I wouldn't be surprised if many future C&J World records come about this way.

MIKHAIL PETROV did 200.5 kg C&J 1987 in Ostrava in the 67.5 kg class. ALEXANDER VARBANOV did 215.5 kg in the 75 class in 1987 in Seoul. Zlatev 225 kg 1986 in Sofia in the 82.5 kg class.

Go Indonesia!! Finally medals for Indonesia besides badminton....

Pros and cons to this for him. It's not an unfair advantage.

The elephant in the room Seb and Max aren't picking up on is the strategy of lifting in B,C,etc sessions on purpose, and how it has to do with the dumb tiebreak rule. If you make the same weight in a previous session as a person in the A session, you win. This strategy gives you a better shot. The "who made it first" thing needs to be changed back to lower bodyweight tiebreak -- it's easier to understand (especially how poorly implemented the televised scoreboard is), and it is all the more relevant in the era of devalued weight categories and how we're seeing very light athletes bump up to heavier categories to make the Olympics, like.

Iliyas 242 following two previous world record will always be iconic. fair play to rahmat but in most other sports if youre the best you stare down and beat the best.

What I see is a strong lifter highlighting a B category and hitting huge numbers that might push top athletes to go even heavier. If the top ones still have time to catch up it seems to be fine or he wouldn’t get the World Record medals anyway in B category.

i think the problem is not whether who compete in which section. The problem was, why B section calculation goes into A section? It is basically comparing apple to orange.

Seb from WH, if you want to watch athletes weightlifting battle all at the same time, you can watch Crossfit weightlifting battle. It gives more hype and that "battle" sensation you're looking for. At the end, Oly weightlifting is about athletes vs the weights & Not about the battles.

It’s not a problem, he’s incredible regardless

Real the beast 💪💪

It's called sandbagging, if I'm correct?

I don't understand. Timing is shorter for him in the B section. He could do better in the A section where he would have more time to recover and prepare for attempts. For me it's not cheating but deliberate downgrading himself.

Rahmat😍😍

I see an interesting deeper question: is this really a sport against other athletes, or a sport against ourselves?

It's nothing, he just outlifted everyone. that simple

IIUC, the claim is that they do a test to see who is worthy to participate in the contest that is displayed in public. This test is stressful enough to decrease the amount that the weightlifter can lift in the contest. Most contestants choose to maximize their score on the test so they can perform in public. Rahmat, in contrast, deliberately lifts light at the test, he does not perform in public, and he wins because he wasn't tired as a consequence of doing his best at the test. They could fix this by getting rid of the test and deciding who performs in public based on past contest results, both the public ones and the non-public ones. A new contestant who is a winner might have to win with a non-public performance before competing in public.

Smart guy...😀👍👍🇸🇻

It sounds fair to me as long as the B section goes first. All of the A section should know where the bar is.

Indonesia ❤

not fair to say he's exploiting anything. at the end of the day, it's you versus the weight. either you can lift it or you can't. and in his case, he outlifted his opponents by a significant amount

This just convinced me that there shouldn't even be a B-session. What's the point? It's like weightlifting rules puts some in a "participation-trophy" group, and that feels disrespectful imo. As we've seen, anyone who might not be the best can still have a great day competing, or someone who is elite can have a terrible day and completely bomb. Of course, in Rahmat's case, it's neither; he's just an elite who's gaming the system for his benefit. Just let them compete on the same level already and quit trying to engineer it all. It'll be better for everyone, especially fans.

The total is the total , doesn't matter wich section...

I really don't see anything wrong with what he is doing. It's either you can lift the weight or not, as simple as that.

@jglg7238

7 ай бұрын

it's clickbait

Fair play to him. some people thrive under the audience's eye others dont. so i think its fair. the thing is that the rules are outdated. the A and B sessions should be chosen by a ranking system, and not by what an athlete writes down as their goal lift. thats an amateur antic.

Man, it really should be based on qualifying totals, same as powerlifting

If you win a world championship Olympics from whatever session, you should be obligated to be in the A session the following year for title defense. This dude would have done this 3 years in a row if he had actually tried for more than a 145kg snatch