Fun fact: Not one person can fluently speak Ithkuil, even the creator. So maybe you could be the first!

@prisma.

3 жыл бұрын

i dont think anyone wants to memorize hundreds of thousands of tables to make weird noises nobdy but them understand

@Cody-Bear

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe Xioma, he learns languages

@Ygyoyu

3 жыл бұрын

@@prisma. yes but what if we captured a child and taught them this language from a young age. Like imagine how would a child that has only known ikthul all their life learn English?

@6_blocks_under

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ygyoyu they would be so confused as to why our language is so drawn out and imprecise

@gordoawesome8590

3 жыл бұрын

Over my dead body

“A voiceless non-labialized lamino-postalveolar dorso-palatal grooved sibilant fricative” He is just talking about “sh”

@navygravy9708

2 жыл бұрын

worst part: the IPA representation is right at the end of the line he read even worse part: it says how you're supposed to pronounce it at the start of said line

@dejv0000

2 жыл бұрын

š

@jangamecuber

2 жыл бұрын

@@dejv0000 ʃ

@KatzRool

2 жыл бұрын

Talking about standard linguistics like it's some quirky shit.

@saruman947

2 жыл бұрын

Ş

I think this would make a neat "spell incantation" language since part of the very idea of magic words is that they are extremely specific and information dense. Also, the idea of the language being incomprehensible to those without special training is another common trope.

@buddermonger2000

2 жыл бұрын

It also addresses the super specific pronunciations which are equally present where just even a wrong inflection can mess up a spell (take Harry Potters infamous "leviosa not leviosaaa")

@matthewhenson4566

2 жыл бұрын

The problem here is actually writing it. It would be a huge unnecessary time sink in the writing process when writing already often requires a whole lot of research to try and sound intelligent about topics the writer is personally unfamiliar with. There is a reason most writers don't try and pull a Tolkien despite how cool it might seem to make your own language for your world.

@bjrn-oskarrnning2740

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, *come on*, man, don't make me want to learn Ithkuil just to make my D&D campaign more realistic!

@steveglover6411

2 жыл бұрын

Very cool idea. It might be more fun to just pretend your D&D Sorcerer has knowledge of this kind of language.

@DonVigaDeFierro

Жыл бұрын

From "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs" (The wizard's book): "A computational process is indeed much like a sorcerer's idea of a spirit. It cannot be seen or touched. It is not composed of matter at all. However, it is very real. It can perform intellectual work. It can answer questions. It can affect the world by disbursing money at a bank or by controlling a robot arm in a factory. The programs we use to conjure processes are like a sorcerer's spells. They are carefully composed in arcane and esoteric _programming languages_ that prescribe the tasks we want our processes to perform". Honestly why your idea isn't a thing in fantasy can be attributed to the fact that writers are _writers,_ not computer scientists or linguists (save for a certain guy who wrote a story about some dwarfs...) A dumb idea occurred to me: A fantasy book in which spells are cast using actual programming languages (or just a language in general) , and the book itself is structured like a language course. We follow a young wizard apprentice learning the language and eventually saving the world... WHY IS THAT NOT A THING??? IT BASICALLY WRITES ITSELF!!!

A language actually with phenomes (differentiable smells) would be amazing

@pocarski

9 ай бұрын

*confesses feelings by gradually increasing the hydrogen sulfide concentration in my fart*

@orngjce223

3 ай бұрын

Pheromones

@bobbybobby325

7 күн бұрын

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT

the rampant mispronunciation is just a cherry on top making sure, we, the audience, never forget that this video was, in fact, narrated by a dweeb

@polyrtm5545

3 жыл бұрын

phenome

@SnigelSnigelson

3 жыл бұрын

Mondaic

@EyeMWing

3 жыл бұрын

longuistics... In the curiositystream ad.

@DaSquyd

3 жыл бұрын

Now say this in Ithkuil.

@SM-ok3sz

3 жыл бұрын

SHA POWT LAY

Drunk Glasgow man is the worlds most complicated language actually.

@viktorhalaj3029

3 жыл бұрын

Old Welsh drunk grandpa.

@me4pie

3 жыл бұрын

@@viktorhalaj3029 Old welsh drunk grandpa having an argument with their Irish wife on the street next to my flat.

@viktorhalaj3029

3 жыл бұрын

@@me4pie so how does it feel like occasionally listening to aliens communicate?

@akramgimmini8165

3 жыл бұрын

Drunk Berliner trying to speak English is also complicated

@Boss_Tanaka

3 жыл бұрын

Drunk french trying to talk about politics after being punched in his teeth

This is the kind of language you would get if word cost $300 each.

"And now I must stress the final syllable" Immediately proceeds to stress the first syllable instead

This would be a perfect April fools video if it was fake.

@rajeshsahu3574

3 жыл бұрын

@EyeZackZin everything around you which you sense feel see or perceive Is created by some person

@darkpixel1128

3 жыл бұрын

@@rajeshsahu3574 i'd like to make a complaint against the man who made the weather then

@gdlifesteal5824

3 жыл бұрын

how do you know it isn't?

@NoeBIchez

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkpixel1128 haha, this is way funnier to me than it's supposed to be

@jaredkennedy6576

3 жыл бұрын

It's like this was all done up as an elaborate April fool's joke, but they forgot to set up a translation for "hey, I was just joking", and so now we have a weirdly complex language.

"Which means I must stress the final syllable." Immediately after that the presenter pronounces the word with the stress on the initial syllable.

@LeoStaley

3 жыл бұрын

My favorite part of the video.

@sillicon8227

3 жыл бұрын

I read this while that part of the vedio was playing Oh my God

@mcgovemj

3 жыл бұрын

He mispronounces many of the terms in the video.

@syrialak101

3 жыл бұрын

I, to this day, do not know exactly how grammatical stress works so I don't blame him.

@TonysRacing600

3 жыл бұрын

My question is how does one pronounce the finally syllable while also maintain a falling tone. These kind of cancel each other out don't they?

As a linguist, all the mixing up of the "morpheme" and "phoneme" concepts in this video slightly triggers me, but I love how this video actually builds a word as an example for us. It is great. (By the way, you guys showed how the word should be stressed in the last syllable, but your final pronuntiation stressed the penultime syllable. It's still great, though, I just noticed it the second time around). Also, lots of the things here are suprasegmental stuff, and I have no idea on how the morpheme concept works with supragmental stuff. I'll assume it is pretty much the same as it is for segments, but if any fellow linguist would explain this to me, I'd be thankful.

@erynn9968

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s incorrect to say ‘as a linguist, it triggers me’. Should be ‘As a linguist, I find it annoying’. So that the subject of the 2nd part is the same thing that you refer to in the 1st part. As a linguist, I find THIS frustrating.

@thomicrisler9855

Жыл бұрын

@@erynn9968As a linguist, you oughtn't subscribe to such prescriptive grammar rules. Dangling modifiers are dispreferred but they are hardly ever actually ambiguous; in fact, I often analyze them as being akin to a topic, like Japanese "wa" phrases.

@glitchy9613

Жыл бұрын

@@erynn9968 Prescriptivism at its finest.

@asheep7797

Жыл бұрын

As a not-linguist, I have no idea what this reply chain says.

@wilhelmseleorningcniht9410

Жыл бұрын

@@asheep7797 In pop linguistic spaces such as this, prescriptivism (the idea that there are certain correct ways to do language) is still quite entrenched even though it's long obsolete in professional Linguistics (this is one of the ways where pop science lags behind actual science) This is all contrasted with descriptivism which is the idea that a language is what its speakers are speaking it as, and that a linguists job is to study and describe that, rather than impose arbitrary rules as an authority figure (which'd be prescriptivism). If you were in English speaking public schooling than most likely you've come across a few cases here and there of like 'then vs than' or 'don't use *can* use *may*' or you might have gotten it from your parents as well (prescriptivism in other languages is of course also a thing but there I lack knowledge as to specific examples)

A similar conlang was described in the 1949 story "Gulf" by Robert Heinlein. The major problem with such a language is the lack of redundancy. Any mispronunciation, mishearing, speech impediment, tone-deafness, noisy environment or low-quality communications technology, means serious miscommunication.

This language is genius, why bother with text compression when you can just compress your whole language. And People on twitter would love this language, it would give them even more characters to bully people

@joeygenna4801

3 жыл бұрын

imagine having to write a 10 page essay in this

@wyntyrr

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve also been making an information-condensing language called Qala. Here’s an example: English: The car exploded! Qala: Xaat’â!

@zimtschnecke9284

3 жыл бұрын

@@wyntyrr Can you break Xaatâ down for me?

@ghostguy0o0

3 жыл бұрын

@@wyntyrr wait so is ðe /aa/ þing supposed to be an indication of a long vowel or is ðere some rule ðat dictates ðat ðe glottal stop is automatically placed between two vowels? Edit: or maybe it's someþing i can't þink of aðm

@wyntyrr

3 жыл бұрын

@@ghostguy0o0 “Aa” is pronounced /ɑː/, yes.

Now imagine Aliens finding Ithkuil and trying to decipher it, thinking we were incredibly intelligent, complex beings.

@magicmulder

2 жыл бұрын

It’s certainly better for communicating with us than “give weapon”.

@Pining_for_the_fjords

2 жыл бұрын

@@magicmulder I got that reference.

@magicmulder

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pining_for_the_fjords Military dude: "They said something like itxapodúrxameeshnoput." Linguist: "Oh, 'We have come to procure you with the necessary language skills to be practically able to fully master the time dimension with the peaceful intention to enable you to help us in the far future'".

@vikashkthakur

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pining_for_the_fjords the short story was nice too.

@magicmulder

2 жыл бұрын

@@twitchygene614 Arrival. :)

Hearing "phonemes" being said as "phenomes" and š being pronounced as s instead of sh had me rolling on the floor 😂

Imagine this language inside video games or series to hide lore. The 1st text font would also work in a cyberpunk style

Even if everyone in the world magically forgot every language, and magically learned this one, this language wouldn't last. Just from usage, it would immediately begin to rapidly simplify and become something very different from its original.

@sion8

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Languages must reach a balance between speakers and listeners and this language feels speaker heavy! I don't really feel it was ever intended to be a human language, but a language a computer would love!

@daniel.santos

3 жыл бұрын

@@sion8 I think it would be a good language to write policy in. Like laws and other legal documents, so that there's less room for interpretation. Also, a feel as though there's going to be a Bible translation, if there's not already.

@sion8

3 жыл бұрын

@@daniel.santos 🤣 I'm not sure, but maybe. I'm looking at the Wikipedia article of this language and the creator never intended this language to be used as everyday conversation, but for fields like philosophy "to be used for more elaborate and profound fields where more insightful thoughts are expected", that's apparently what he has said about it.

@nerobernardino88

3 жыл бұрын

@@sion8 So... Someone really should translate the bible.

@Kira1Lawliet

3 жыл бұрын

That's true. Languages will ALWAYS prioritize efficiency and simplicity over accuracy. After all, that's where context clues come into play anyway. A language this convoluted would never survive in this form in a natural environment, even with no alternatives.

Ithkuil looks like the result of an AI developing a language for humans. Complete with lookup tables incorporating all the sounds that a human can make in an efficient grid. Ease of use and was definitely not a concern.

@Matt-zp1jn

2 жыл бұрын

I thought a similiar vein too. Kinda like a language that AI can use to cross interface with English (and all the languages on earth eventually), that will be precise, complex, and directly relatable for computer AI to eventually communicate “effectively” with humans thru reading, writing, speaking, even just thinking or on Musk’s Neurolink etc. It will allow androids, robots, AI, computers, humans, and maybe eventually animals I bet to communicate thoughts and feelings, ideas, statements, questions, answers etc in their language that the AI will decode/incode etc. Fascinating yet also unnerving like Skynet will be on its way, and could communicate thru those huge giant LCD digital tower giant screens that will broadcast any person, idol, celebrity, politician, dead or alive, onto the LCD screen as a digital giant future ruler that will simultaneously communicate with people around the globe 🌎.

@Dracopol

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the AI considers all the sounds a human can make, but not whether we WANT to make those sounds. (Nightmare image of human in blacklight hooked up to a blood-greasy rack with electrodes all over it, and an AI voice saying, "Come on, do the French nasal vowels, it's not so hard!")

@Matty002

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dracopol to be fair, nasal vowels are not hard

@Dracopol

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matty002 No? Nasal vowels are not that common. In European languages I think only French, Portuguese and Galician have them. Oh, wait, Polish has 2, ą and ę, but they are no longer pronounced all the time where they are spelled. They are a corruption where an "N" used to be pronounced after a vowel. They reek of decay. French has 4 kinds, but in France itself it may be retreating to only 3 types. "Un bon vin blanc!" It is a mystic art, to pronounce the N without actually pronouncing the N!

@Matty002

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dracopol i know what nasal vowels are, i speak french. what does them being common have to do with anything? your fake AI said 'hard' not common. lowering your velum while articulating a vowel is not hard. there are even english dialects with nasal vowels. a trilled uvilar R is hard

Andy from How to Make Everything went about making a language too with his community, its pretty cool how we are able to not only dynamically communicate but have the ability to fabricate new ways to do it just for the sake of doing so.

Wow! This was amazing, entertaining and mind-boggling! However, as others have pointed out, there were some *glaring* mistakes in pronunciation. This was frustrating, because these were English words, and it was in a video having to do with advanced linguistics! Just in case a few of you didn't catch the goofs, I'll go ahead and describe (in detail!) the main ones I noticed. And these happened repeatedly - especially #1 (not necessarily in order): 1. "Phoneme" - the narrator keeps saying "FEE-nome," but it's supposed to be "FOE-neem." The automated captions hung on to the correct spelling a couple of times but finally capitulated to the erroneous pronunciation. 2. "Monadic" appears on the screen correctly spelled, but the narrator says "mondaic" ("mon-DAY-ick"), when it's supposed to be "mon-AD-ick." 3. "Delimitive" appears on the screen, but the narrator says "delimitate." The correct term is clearly an adjective, but the incorrect word, the way it's pronounced, sounds like a verb. 4. "Postalveolar:" it's "post-alveolar," not "postal-veolar" - the former refers to an anatomical location in the mouth, and the latter, uh, ... what's a "veolar," and what does it have to do with the US Mail service? [Sorry! 😜] I could point out a couple of other minor details, but my comment is already way too long! Feel free to point out any mistakes *I* made!

@Bruhh221

Жыл бұрын

wdym pronounced like a verb?

@catte_6376

Жыл бұрын

@@Bruhh221 they meant that, in English, the "-ate" ending is typically used for verbs (i.e. locate, desecrate, abbreviate)

@SpringStarFangirl

Жыл бұрын

Also, š is pronounced as sh, as in shush.

@irok1

11 ай бұрын

Good comment, needs to be higher

@apoolplayer278

11 ай бұрын

you are very smart

These super-information-dense languages seem great until you try to actually use them. Packing so much information into so little space with no redundancy means any minor error or damage can create a valid, but incorrect word. So you send a nice formal letter to your boss only to be fired because a smudge turned "working for you" into "screwing your mom". In English this can still happen ("car" and "can" differ by only a fraction of a letter), but usually there's enough redundancy that you can infer what the damaged/wrong worm was suposed to be, even if you omitted a letter entirely like I just did, or used the wrong word. Even if you an entire word it can still be understood.

@GarrettBlackmon

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's impressive that we can make the model maximum precision languages but in practice they'd be terribly inefficient. Our brains have evolved to infer and deduce meaning from an imprecise statement. TL;DR: Subconscious mind waaaaay ahead of you.

@HayTatsuko

2 жыл бұрын

I accidentally the entire watermelon.

@DanielTanios

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but pretty sure Ithkuil has quite a bit of redundancy itself. It is information dense, but that doesn't necessarily make it "efficient" in the context of conversation or everyday life. The grammar requires *much* more syntactic information to express semantic ideas than natural languages. What this means is there's a large amount of redundancy baked into the grammar, which probably means it isn't any less understandable or comprehensible in the presence of signal errors than any other language.

@thequeertelope7941

2 жыл бұрын

lolll

@zyaicob

2 жыл бұрын

Who actually thinks these are good? Good for what? If they were good, human languages would resemble them. Language is literally only useful because we use it

For awhile I wondered why some languages were so fast and long and they couldn’t be short and precise, now I realize why. this is pain inducing

@Ealsante

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, this is why. It's because language is used by societies, and the average intelligence and understanding of any group goes down as the size of the group increases. This is also why jargon is a thing - a group of post-doc linguists have no problem deciphering what is a voiceless non-labialised etc. etc. sibilant fricative, but the general population is going to struggle. Any language is only as complex as it can be understood by the dumbest people in a large group.

@Mercure250

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ealsante So you're saying you're the reason language is getting simpler?

@holtcompass3934

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mercure250 Yeah. Just check our presidents out.

@michaeltagor4238

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mercure250 simpler AND much more practical

@Mercure250

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaeltagor4238 Yup. But the paradox of language is that things get simpler without actually getting simpler. If it simplifies in some aspect, it gets more complicated in another. For instance, English lost its morphological complexity in exchange for syntactical complexity. This paradox is the reason languages change all the time.

This reminds me a little of playing 20 questions with my much smarter kids. One that we had to guess was the abstract nail in the proverb (I guess) about 'for want of a nail'. So not only were there categories like Animal, Vegetable, or Mineral, but there were Figurative, Hypothetical, Fictional, and various other levels of abstraction.

@suomeaboo

Жыл бұрын

You are the very model of a modern Major-General. You've information vegetable, animal, and mineral.

@suomeaboo

Жыл бұрын

And also hypothetical, figurative, and fictional.

I wanted to create a conlang for Demons in my novel. And it should be full of information in every word. And this conlang is an amazing example to study.

@wiegraf9009

Жыл бұрын

Only Mordons would speak this...

It is impossible to place implied or subtle meanings in this language because it's basically designed to convey messages in the most exact and comprehensive ways possible.

@flaetsbnort

2 жыл бұрын

They should've added a phoneme for 'if you catch my drift'

@TBA95

2 жыл бұрын

Ah but just because the language is precise, it doesn't mean the writer/speaker has to be. You can still be ironic or change the grammar, using formal/informal or the wrong case on purpose for effect? Also, slang would be interesting...

@demonschnauzer1555

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine the poetry in this langauge

@joshuaoehler5796

2 жыл бұрын

@@demonschnauzer1555 There isn't any. Not can there be . . . other than doggerel, limericks, and maybe haiku.

@demonschnauzer1555

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaoehler5796 I would agree, but I think it would probably still be possible to create poetry with hidden or multiple meanings in this language given that metaphors exist and also we will never be able to come up with a language that actually perfectly describes every single thing, so some things will be left unexplained, and you could make poetry with those things. Also, things can be said “incorrectly” for the purpose of art.

HAI: complains that “voiceless non-labialized lamino-postalveolar dorso-palatal grooved sibilant fricative” tells him nothing IPA [ʃ] right there: am I a joke to you?

@ExtantThylacine

3 жыл бұрын

SSHHH! Don't tell him.

@justin.booth.

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExtantThylacine hahaha

@DeadBread.

3 жыл бұрын

.....i may be dumb, but that symbol also tells me nothing

@ExtantThylacine

3 жыл бұрын

@@DeadBread. It's the 'sh' sound as in 'shake'.

@eritain

3 жыл бұрын

My [ʃ] is labialized. Many people's is; it helps exaggerate the distinction from [s].

this language reminds me so much of Basque, witch also has infinite numbers of look up tables and word constructing, so though it is like 10 times wors, I think it can really be used

This development is really interesting, as an experiment to include all posible possibilities and nuances in a language. However the idea of compressing the information to the least amount of sounds doesn't make sense. It makes the language impossible to learn naturally: it had too much information density, it's like trying to learn a language with videos played at 10x. Also the language is not "noise proof" in opposition to a natural language where there is some meaning redundancy: with a natural language I may miss a sound and understand the word, or miss a word but understand the sentence by context. This language requires a supeinteligent person with perfect listening and perfect diction.

@breadtubediet1524

Жыл бұрын

it's not intended to be a language that is learnable or usable "naturally". It's goal is to simultaneously maximize information and minimize sound.

Sounds like somebody wanted revenge on their latin teacher.

@lucasinatur2925

3 жыл бұрын

Then the inventor sends his language to his teacher, that would be the greatest thing I’ve ever heard

@PrimalBoos

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@sillicon8227

3 жыл бұрын

Is your PFP the oldest meme!?

@sion8

3 жыл бұрын

*+*

@therealspeedwagon1451

3 жыл бұрын

Why would I want to do that she’s awesome

HAI: “linguistics sucks and we will never make a video on it again.” also HAI:

@GoinGreninja

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, it's AxxL, an extremely famous bot known for invading in big channels, promoting his own channel while also saying some incomprehensible garbage and thinks he's gonna be a big name without putting in the effort with his videos and such. Don't you've a life that's not self promotion? With that time you waste, you'd've a decent but loyal following.

@afdocumentaries

3 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku what

@randomtinypotatocried

3 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku How's your weed smoking girlfriends?

@Mimi.1001

3 жыл бұрын

@@GoinGreninja I believe he is indeed a real person and does seem to be writing quite a lot of these texts by himself (also indicated by that typo in OPs Name he wanted to recite). He has been doing this shtick for years, firstly only under bigger German channels (I think it somehow worked out, a bigger KZreadr reacted to his channel giving a considerable boost...), but he does seem to be going international for quite some while now. It does seem to work though...

@GoinGreninja

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mimi.1001 That may be true but whether or not he's a real person, doing this much self promotion is still a very scummy move. And of course, just because he's successful with this 'tactic', that doesn't mean his audience will stay on because of his content and character.

I want to have a single, A4 paper filled with small Ithkuil text framed on my bedroom wall. -"What is that?" +"Oh, that? Its the whole of Lord of the Rings hexalogy"

Such an amazing find this language. Thank you for the intro!

This is the language you use to write on the one note card you can use on a test

@PotatoMan007

3 жыл бұрын

It would take more effort in deciphering the language than studying for the test.

@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit

3 жыл бұрын

ngl, just because of this comment I now kinda wanna learn this language

@DaveTheVader

3 жыл бұрын

Unironically, if you did that it would help you loads actually remembering and internalizing the material. Because the language is so dense and filled with context a lot of thought needs to be put into what the context of the words you write is. Writing in Ithkuil necessitates actually understanding what it is you want to say, so by the time you've finished writing your cheat sheet in Ithkuil you probably don't need the cheat sheet anymore.

@breadtubediet1524

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveTheVader which is the main function of the notecard anyway. The promise of "easy/free" information available to you during the test is just a trick to get you to sit down and actually study

@DaveTheVader

Жыл бұрын

@@breadtubediet1524 That goes without saying.

as a linguist this "phenome" thing is really driving me up the wall

@katiekawaii

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and making that kind of mistake in a video specifically about language is...not great for credibility.

@Abigail-hu5wf

2 жыл бұрын

It hurts my soul and makes me doubt that Sam really knows any amount about the things he's talking.

@GiulianoScocozza

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@hititwithit

2 жыл бұрын

He also mispronounced "monadic" as "mondaic". Sloppy.

@drakemarsaly6644

2 жыл бұрын

@@Abigail-hu5wf You're a fool if you thought he's been writing his own videos this whole time - at this point he's a narrator for a research team. They probably do know what they are talking about, he doesn't and that makes him mispronounce but doesn't impeach the credibility of the whole video. They do need better QC tho

5:36 I am eastern European, I use these special symbols above letters, I would pronounce it as "uok-sh-urn".

This language is an agglutinative language much like my indigenous language Muysccubun (spoken my the Muyska people of the central Colombian Savannah) Its a really hard language to learn but after a while it becomes like solving a puzzle, its fun and information dense which makes conversations very interesting to witness

@SABDBL

Ай бұрын

I think it is more polysynthetic because tons of morphemes can be fitted into a single word, making a sentence.

So it’s sentences are really short? Oh man ithkuil translations of games would become dominant in speedrunning if they existed...

@StarmuteVII

3 жыл бұрын

Oh hi Marisa

@6z0

3 жыл бұрын

@@waldolemmer Autocorrect switches “its” to “it’s”

@HyperDragon01

3 жыл бұрын

Until some language like Italian is noticed to be faster because Italian has instant text and you can just hold a button down to fly through the text boxes.

@sillicon8227

3 жыл бұрын

@@waldolemmer it's is actually the right form. Now, you might think an "apostrophe symbol denotes the possession of an item or anything else by the subject" and you may be right for example the word "jack's", it can be used as "Jack's clothes"; but when used on words like "it" the apostrophe symbol changes its use case to denote plurality.

@MatLCF

3 жыл бұрын

@@sillicon8227 I don't think he used it to denote plurality, though, but rather possession. "Its" as posssessive form of "It" just like "His" is of "He".

Every time he says “phenomes” I feel pain

"Conlangs", or constructed languages, are a fascinating thing because there have been so many such languages created over time, by many different people. Yet (almost) none have ever actually gained acceptance as a universal L2 language, much less to become a living language. Constructed languages combine two basic human desires: to communicate with another human, and to engineer something for efficiency - and yet apparently these two desires are at some deep level, fundamentally incompatible! I highly recommend reading "In The Land of Invented Languages" by Arika Okrent for a history / survey / one person's foray into that world. Which includes exploring the extremely small number of people who have been raised with a constructed language from childhood as a "native" language - the two most commonly learned conlangs, Esperanto and yes, Klingon.

A long time ago I read a science fiction novel (alas, I've forgotten both name and author) that contained something very much like this -- a race of beings with a very highly adapted language that allowed a speaker to do things like visit a factory, observe it, and come away with the ability to describe the entire factory using only a single word -- with the word containing all of the information necessary to completely reconstruct the factory.

Text on the screen: "MONADIC" Sam: "Mondaic" Me: dying inside every time he says it

@kirkkerman

3 жыл бұрын

I think Ithkuil broke him; he forgot how to read

@windestruct

3 жыл бұрын

You just want to say it like you first read it

@truebluekit

3 жыл бұрын

By this point, he doesn't care

@gnoy

3 жыл бұрын

Also Sam pronouncing it “phenomes” instead of “phonemes”

@elemenopi9239

3 жыл бұрын

no way xenoblade chronicles reference

This seems like something Tom Scott would have "fun" with....

@louiskent1724

2 жыл бұрын

Would actually tell us about it instead of saying I dunno

@michaelmoses8745

2 жыл бұрын

That would be fun. I will probably send it to him. You should do so as well.

@Jedibob5

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder what xnopyt means in Ithkuil...

@user-sc3oh1bw4z

2 жыл бұрын

lol

@zyaicob

2 жыл бұрын

He's an actual linguist so he would hate it

this would be a great language to teach an AI, so it could translate from one language to another using this langauge as a go between. otherwise, the creator is insane to think any human would be able to use this language.

@theidioticbgilson1466

Жыл бұрын

no because it's incredibly personal and context dependant

@DogsRNice

Жыл бұрын

Actually machine translation systems actually have already created their own languages that they translate stuff into and then to whatever other language the user wants

@hundvd_7

Жыл бұрын

That's basically what they do. At least for translators like DeepL. It's just not represented as a terse set of "easily" pronounceable and writable sounds/letters, but as a big string of 0s and 1s

For whatever it's worth, the community surrounding Ithkuil _d e e p l y_ hates this video.

Now do a video on Toki Pona, the world's simplest con-lang.

@wiktorszymczak4760

3 жыл бұрын

Toki pona - created to help with depression This monstrosity - killed everyone who attempted to learn it

@tadesubaru1383

3 жыл бұрын

I studied toki pona at school!

@kalabuk1678

3 жыл бұрын

You have got to be about the most superficial commentator on con-languages since the idiotic B. Gilson. Did I miss the one where you said which conlang you’re fluent in and read at least three times a week and can read new books in every week of even one year or listen to radio shows in every week? New radio shows?

@isaachorgan

3 жыл бұрын

toki pona li pona mute

@wlll1235

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalabuk1678 who are you responding to? OP has no content on their channel, (i don't even think that what you're saying is relevant to what they said, they just said that Toki Pona is simple), and no one else said anything related to what you're saying? did the original preson that you're replying to delete their comment? if so, ok, but who are you even talking to?

drinking game: drink every time sam mispronounces something

@truebluekit

3 жыл бұрын

Warning: incipient death.

@Perririri

3 жыл бұрын

ÔKSNORMIE

@fyorr

2 жыл бұрын

You'd have to have 4 shot glasses for 1:48.

@nineix9438

2 жыл бұрын

@@fyorr that one line could put someone in a coma

@thr04w4y

2 жыл бұрын

I don't want to die right now, thank you

THIS IS AWESOME! If I can get this in hardcopy I'd definitely be interested in studying it. A tape of the phonetic pronunciation with mouth structure guide would also help. I also like how the written component is in runic lines. This would be a good language for archiving and for writing law, that way there is no ambiguity in what is written and it takes less space. Also, I thought Welsh was the world's most complicated language. Though I've heard that Georgian is up there in complexity too.

This is an awesome conlang to make complex ideas into a single word, I love it

Damn, where's Tom Scott when you need him...

@Blue-Maned_Hawk

3 жыл бұрын

Considering that he refused to use Linux to make the emoji keyboard when it would have taken him just a bit of faffing with Python, I wouldn't trust him to adequately explain this.

@gogolometro235

3 жыл бұрын

@@Blue-Maned_Hawk what?

@t0x1cl

3 жыл бұрын

@@Blue-Maned_Hawk can you say it in, uh, more detail

@equinoxxed_7502

3 жыл бұрын

@@t0x1cl preferably in English

@Omikron1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Blue-Maned_Hawk He is literally a linguist though. Many of his videos are chock full of linguistics.

A few corrections: it's "phoneme" not "phenome", a voiceless non-labialised lamino-postalveolar Dorso-palatal grooved sibilant fricative is basically the "sh" sound (IPA: [ʃ]) and the "possessive" case in English is actually called the "genitive".

@BarnabyTheEpicDoggo

2 жыл бұрын

The worst part is it literally says "As in English shoeshine without rounding the lips" so basically I think with my inferiour linguistics as in "ship" right at the beggining of the actual sentence

@marioluigi9599

2 жыл бұрын

4:00. Is it Mondaic or Monadic?

@rocctheconlanger5239

2 жыл бұрын

@@marioluigi9599 monadic

@abbysweat9202

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting this comment, the pronunciation of phoneme made me question my sanity for a minute...I had that feeling like when you find out you've been singing the wrong song lyric in front of everybody for years lol.

@tylerleopard4928

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to correct “phoneme” haha. I knew right away there were no linguists involved in the making of this video.

1:44 Sam casually mispronouncing the English "sh" sound preceded by "k"

I'm now convinced that this thing I never heard of before this video is a particularly clever form of performance art. I imagine it was written by some polyglot teacher who got pissed at his students for not understanding Spanish, so he made up a new language for the purpose of teaching them what words mean to the point that all words become meaningless. It feels like a horrible curse bestowed by an angry god

This language is the most efficient if you look at how much few words can say, but also the less efficient language if you look at how much work you have to make just one word.

@darkpixel1128

3 жыл бұрын

well, if you had to fit a full novel on a piece of paper, then it would be very efficient if you actually had to write said novel, not so efficient

@f52_yeevy

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkpixel1128 Exactly, it's a very weird concept for a language and I'd say that the motto "Virtus in medio stat" (aka the truth/virtue lies in the middle) is valid also in this case.

@exedeath

3 жыл бұрын

If you are wondering, the radix economy for a language with only sillabes (sillabary language) is 3 sillabes. Radix economy takes into account the amount of sillabes it takes to write something and the amount of sillabes you need to do it.

@hyperspeed1313

3 жыл бұрын

This would be perfect if you have supercomputers connected by cans with string that need to communicate.

@badenfrancis2038

3 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see if a baby could learn this as their first language. And if so, would they be able to speak ot just as easily as you and I speak English?

The amount of times he said "phenome" actually made me doubt he wasn't just mispronouncing "phoneme". He was.

my man speaking enchantment table

1:13 Bro didn't even try, he just uttered some random goofy ahh sounds💀

Drink every time he says “phenomes” instead of “phonemes”.

@bcdm999

3 жыл бұрын

But I need my liver to not explode

@israellai

3 жыл бұрын

@@bcdm999 no you dont, you need phenomes

@tuckerhardin7070

3 жыл бұрын

It’s making my eye twitch

@torrent6181

3 жыл бұрын

this killed me

@Vazgriz

3 жыл бұрын

Or "mondaic" instead of "monadic"

Imagine spending a week doing research for this video but not bothering to check how the word "phoneme" is pronounced.

@toadofsteel

3 жыл бұрын

Kotor did that shit too

@Myrkvi_

3 жыл бұрын

..or learning basic IPA to find out that /ʃ/ is pronounced just like English . oʊksʌɹn

@psiphiorg

3 жыл бұрын

Or that "monadic" isn't pronounced "mondaic".

@lapiscarrot3557

3 жыл бұрын

PHENOMES (my linguistics hurts)

@TommiWalle

3 жыл бұрын

labialized as "labby-lised"

The small word made at the end made me laugh hysterically. After 6 minutes of linguistic THAC0, we finally get this underwhelming 7 letter word that translates to a 23 word sentence, and that somehow caught me off-guard.

@wilh3lmmusic

6 ай бұрын

“A team of dweebs” translates pretty much all of that but shorter

There is a case argument (“X” pictured at 3:19) that you said had no equivalent structure in _any_ other language That isn’t the case for algebraic/geometric languages, in which those all correlate to various qualities of geometric patterns, mathematical objects, functions, and a few other things Definitely not the same kind of language, but its definitely still a language that people speak Edit: then you go pull the list of ‘Configuration’ options and boy oh BOI is that literally ripped straight from geometric, algebraic, and general set theory language I only know because I’ve been studying and using those relations and terms

I will never complain about Latin again... :/ Maybe the Heptapods from Arrival will be able to speak it...

@itismethatguy

3 жыл бұрын

Ahaha

@RaymondHng

3 жыл бұрын

Ha. You should try Cantonese. It's like speaking in French and reading/writing in Latin.

@samsunguser3148

3 жыл бұрын

Heck, even aliens or not even God can read it

@mwanikimwaniki6801

3 жыл бұрын

@@RaymondHng 😂You gave me so much perspective as I can read both Latin and French.

@Vasharan

3 жыл бұрын

@@RaymondHng Right? I saw that Ithkuil had 7 tones and thought, 'Pathetic. Hokkien has 15 and Cantonese has 22.'

4:22 When language has space time continuum diagram to explain it

Sounds like somebody tried making every noise they possibly could with their mouth and said “that sounds like a language to me”

@theidioticbgilson1466

Жыл бұрын

georgian be like

3:21 OBJECTION! configuration is definetly comprable to number (singular/plural) in other languages

When I imagine how hyper-evolved beings from another planet would speak, this language would be the answer.

@IndigoXYZ18

2 жыл бұрын

My roommate in my stay in the madhouse spoke like this. He spoke his own unintelligible dialect of English, that was his attempt at quashing any ambiguity from the English language, for example he'd always refer to himself as "myself" as "I" could be misinterpreted as "eye" (in that sense I suppose that makes his dialect a little more similar TO Lojban than Ithkuil as unambiguity to precedence over information density). Have been trying to get back in touch with him so that he'll have an outlet for his madness.

@aoeu256

2 жыл бұрын

they wouldn't use human phonemes like this, their language would be music with thousands of instruments and octaves or movies that could be expressed through long distance radio waves...

@vice.nor.virtue

Жыл бұрын

Wow you guy have a much more advanced perception of what language could be than me. The evolution of language _is_ stunning. I actually find it weird that no other animal has evolved to create such a brilliantly high-bandwith form of communication other than human beings. My italian friend said that he loved English because you could express so much with so little; however, in everything that English gains in grammar, it loses in spelling and broken rules [there are 7 ways of pronuncing words which end in OUGH] and that pisses me off as a native speaker. Anyway, thank you for your input, I value your thoughts!

I'm guessing soon Duolingo will email me with their new available language...

@REEEPROGRAM

3 жыл бұрын

It's simple everyone Spanish or *Vanish*

@mrafishonascreen2986

3 жыл бұрын

Japanese or break the knees

@AzraelGnosis

3 жыл бұрын

It's been suggested but there are a lot of other conlangs with a larger community (probably, Lojban, Ido, Quenya/Sindarin, Interlingua/Interlingue/Lingua Franca Nova/etc., Toki Pona, maybe Dothraki, Na'vi, etc.) to get through before they'd ever consider Ithkuil.

@nerobernardino88

3 жыл бұрын

@@AzraelGnosis Meanwhile there's me, an idiot who learned Esperanto just for it to practically vanish

@flavioaugustojose

3 жыл бұрын

@@AzraelGnosis it was a joke

Ok, if we ever invent time travel remind me I have something very important to do in Baghdad somewhere before 1258 and that I must bring a notebook. Might make a stop at Alexandria if it's not full yet.

I can see this being used to compress data so that with enough local power and smart enough AI to translate to media and render us information instantly.

As someone with a degree in linguistics, this made me want to paint the wall with my brains.

@FairyCRat

3 жыл бұрын

P H E N O M E S

@bkzach

3 жыл бұрын

Same just same

@tjenadonn6158

3 жыл бұрын

As a rank amateur linguistics nerd this, Lojban, and its predecessor Loglan are why we should leave languages to linguists and not computer scientists. HUMANS AND COMPUTERS COMMUNICATE IN FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT WAYS.

@himagainstill

3 жыл бұрын

But the question that needs answering is this: Is it a brick wall?

@EvlEgle

3 жыл бұрын

Same but, i havent watchef the video yet

I feel like Tom Scott is better qualified for this video topic.

@Laittth

3 жыл бұрын

They don't have a god damn meeting of mildly informative KZreadrs every week where they come up with video subjects and assign them to the most qualified person

@tahaabbas1236

3 жыл бұрын

@@Laittth You mean to tell me there isn't a secret society of mildly informative KZreadrs?

@nadiladithmalkulanatha9253

3 жыл бұрын

@@tahaabbas1236 reality is often disappointing 😞

@DogsRNice

3 жыл бұрын

And he’d do it in one take

@frmcf

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like my coffee mug would be better qualified for this video topic.

This may be an excellent language for future space comms. When speed of light is overcome by means of some very special cases (wuantum entanglement, information holographically written on event horizons of black holes, or more likely other effects we're yet to discover) where we can communicate alright, bjt at extremely limited bandwidth.

You’ve heard of toki pona, now get ready for toki ike

Next video on Wendover Productions: The Logistics of Making Words in the World’s Most Complicated Language

@centurion1945

3 жыл бұрын

The phonemes must be shipped directly to you're brain by way of Boeing 787, but only after a stop over in Louisville KY, where it gets paired with the appropriate accent.

@Smokecall

3 жыл бұрын

@@centurion1945 always find a way to work a plane in every wendover video. Even if you have to use a Toyota Corolla reference to get there

@thePronto

3 жыл бұрын

"Why airlines are [insert GPT-3 generated phrase here]."

@Blue-Maned_Hawk

3 жыл бұрын

I do think that a more in-depth video is deserved on the topic.

@JouvaMoufette

3 жыл бұрын

*video of jets on a tarmac* Ithkuil... Has... A problem...

As an English-speaker learning Russian, when you said there are 96 cases, I had to hold back tears. 6 is bad enough.

@user-uj4sc7tg9v

3 жыл бұрын

You mean 9?)))

@joshmaday1462

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-uj4sc7tg9v or 15, or whatever the true historical number is.

@acutechicken5798

3 жыл бұрын

Just use quizlet to memorize all the case endings :]

@ezekielbrockmann114

3 жыл бұрын

It's the verbs of motion that'll kill you in Russian.

@Finch-lh6lk

2 жыл бұрын

Hungarian has 26.

This kinda sounds fun to find out which ones to do, but that’s probably because you explain all of it

"fee-gnomes" still gets a chuckle out of me

1:05 "phenomes"?!?!?!?!??!?!?!! oh this one is going in the yearly inaccuracy compilation just you wait

@dulguungantumur472

3 жыл бұрын

Also he said the final syllable was stressed, then stressed the first syllable in the final pronunciation

@Voxelhound

3 жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie, for a video that mentions hundreds of linguistic words, “phenomes” is a real head-scratcher

@Rastor0

3 жыл бұрын

And what's up with "delimitate" at 4:31

@cleats727

8 ай бұрын

Its phoneme 😢

Hey! Ithkuilian here (I am not fluent in it, but I am interested in the language). Nice to see that you made the video. There is a version that’s work in progress (v4) and that doesn’t have a website yet, but it is much better than v3 (the version on the website) everything is much more simple, systematic and even more expressive. The Ca chart is half a page instead of that huge chart as well as there are more words and so on. I have no idea when will it be released but great news is that it can be learnt to fluency (no one has tried it yet, but we have gotten to the conclusion that it would be harder than natural languages, but definitely doable by humans).

@chyza2012

3 жыл бұрын

i don't think anybody is fluent in ithkuil.

@asj3419

3 жыл бұрын

I find it absolutely hilarious that after decades and 4 revisions people can finally plausibly learn to use the language.

@Blue-Maned_Hawk

3 жыл бұрын

The documents are coagulated at www.reddit.com/r/Ithkuil/comments/mmkmbc/updates/. The do assume prior knowledge of Ithkuil's concepts, so quick access to ithkuil.net (yes, HTTP) may be useful.

@gammarayneutrino8413

2 жыл бұрын

@@asj3419 Ithkuil was made to be an artlang, not a language you'd actually use to communicate, but it seems what people want from this language is changing so they're making revisions

@ok.ok.5735

2 жыл бұрын

His 1 word in that language equaled 1 paragraph in English I like it cuts down on the writing and probably most mistakes. I’m interested.

the information is so dense it might collapse into a black hole any second

Linguist with so much spare time in their hand... it desevered 629 hours of explanation 🤣

My eyes twitched at every pronunciation of 'phenomes.'

Me: “I want to make a Conlang!” Conglangs:

@mollof7893

3 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, take baby steps

@zoelio999

3 жыл бұрын

Hey at the very least it's better than VötGil

@user-nf9xc7ww7m

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps Conlangs would be treated like klingon. Make the story first, then insert words as needed. Finally, once enough suckers...I mean customers are interested, flesh out the conlang and sell the phrasebook and dictionary.

@nickeman132

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-nf9xc7ww7m don't forget the grammar part jfc

@myrus5722

2 жыл бұрын

Brenden Pearson (Zillyhoolio) VötGil is VötGwd

I studied linguistics in college. Much like this language is made up of letters I recognize strung together in patterns I don't, I completely understood every single jargon term but still have no real understanding of the actual language

Two guys walk up to each other: Guy 1: Takes out ithkuil dictionary, and grammar guide. Guy 2: Takes out ithkuil dictionary, and grammar guide, readying himself for what he's about to hear. Guy 1: Takes out a pencil, a table, and a highlighter. Guy 2: Waits for the conversation to start. An arbitrary amount of time later. Guy 1: Attál.

HAI forgot how to pronounce phonemes. But hey we all know what a new language can do to old ones.

@gurrrn1102

3 жыл бұрын

not just the word but the phonemes themselves. It's a common issue he has.

I just realized that within this language, you would probably get "nickwords", words that mean an extremely specific concept in practice but within the local dialect of language would mean one thing that everyone recognizes as shared experience. It would be like an extremely specific dialect (for that shared concept or experience) of Ithkuil. My guess is that if this were ever blanketed across society, each local community would develop "minor languages" that normalize a broad group of concepts which are all agreed on by members of that community. Essentially, it will Babelize--split into an infinite number of infinitesimal languages, each of which expressing its own thoughts and ideas. I had another realization that this language is likely impossible to be a native speaker of. Even assuming every (adult) human on earth were fluent in Ithkuil, to understand the language requires an understanding of abstract concepts and the ability to discern nuanced associations between those concepts. This seems like it requires some level of metacognition that one does not gain the ability to reason about until a bit later into life. Until then relatively large portions of this language and understanding it are effectively "sealed off" to a younger brain. Very strange. What an interesting language. Somehow it reads like an intent to archive human experience. How many words of Ithkuil would span Moby Dick? Or Nietzche? Or Newton? So many questions...

@havenbastion

Жыл бұрын

Someone needs to translate the Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows.

@Apple-mg6jr

3 ай бұрын

You've just described Arabic and it's dialects

In a few words this language uses every method that has ever been invented to add a meaning to the word that it's going to create

If everybody had this language stored in their computer it could be a way to make extremely efficient data transfer with single words being only 1 character, then just make a large table then say whatever coordinate it is and it would be very fast and cheap so when sending documents it may be faster or loading a website like google or KZread.

HAI: "Why sound description so long?" IPA Symbol: "sssshhhhhhh"

Am I the only one who wants to use this in D&D? As in: You finally managed to free the last of the Ithkuils from his seal. You ask him about the profecy. He answers. good luck guys.

@ladyeowyn42

2 жыл бұрын

You’re a mean dm

@breadtubediet1524

Жыл бұрын

def make this language an "exotic" one.

@wiegraf9009

Жыл бұрын

You have to permanently lose one INT to learn this language because it takes so much brain power

@wisteria3032

Жыл бұрын

@@wiegraf9009 but if you manage to learn it you may find ancient writings now and then - if the group is keen on exploring - that may increase your wisdom?

@wiegraf9009

Жыл бұрын

@@wisteria3032 Yeah I could definitely imagine that happening, like in Planescape: Torment!

1:05 Ah, yes. Phenomes

When the narrator mispronounced "phonemes" as "phenomes" the linguist nerd inside of me got flashbanged (1:04)

The way you pronounce 'phoneme' actually scares me, but I'm happy you covered this incredible conlang.

@turpialito

2 жыл бұрын

Sad state of affairs that your comment has gone unnoticed.

Wild. I do have to point out it's kinda funny you keep saying "phenome" (the set of all phenotypes in a cell, organism, etc in the field of genetics) and not "phoneme" (a unit of sound)

@duncanhw

3 жыл бұрын

And "mondaic", and "labby lised", and the hundreds of other mistakes

It feels like you would need a PHD in this language just to have a conversation

this would be such a good language for sending code in a spy movie. like the rule page is manual and whatever computers have the manual can decode the message

Hello and welcome to Conlang Critic, the show that gets facts wrong about YOUR favorite conlang! I’m Jan Misali and today we will be looking at the hypothetical representation of a language, Ithkuil.

@MrDaAsif

3 жыл бұрын

i got this reference

@Pintszch

3 жыл бұрын

ｖｏｔｇｉｌ

@theholywater

3 жыл бұрын

Anthony McCarthy is quaking right now

@ancientswordrage

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pintszch I'm a little bit excited

@wyntyrr

3 жыл бұрын

qʰûl-lysvukšei-arpîptó’ks go brr

Reminds me of the movie Arrival. The alien language was similar in that its written form was very concise (so to speak) because it had various modifiers and components you would use to build a sentence, and most sentences were the same "length" (though the writing system used circles, so maybe the same circumference?).

@thefourthdymensionmusic

2 жыл бұрын

that was an insane movie.

@cardboarddignity

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. As far as I remember, sentences in their language had no beginning nor the end, so it started and ended at the same time, since these were the creatures of 4 dimensions (I guess). That also explains why their whole sentences looked like a circle (loop)

@thefourthdymensionmusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@cardboarddignity :D

Bro is deciphering enigma

Thank you so very much! Now I will be able to read the owner's manual of my JL421 Badonkadonk Land Cruiser/Tank!