Ok, so this was an interesting video. There are some points I think would benefit from a correction, and I'll also add a note to some others: 0:00 mi sona ala e nimi sina. 0:12 120 words is one count, there are people who use more, some even use less - but of course that *is* the count in the official book 0:19 30 hours *on average*? No, on average it'll take longer, from the learners I've seen. Plus, 30 hours wouldn't exclude pauses, so subtract sleeping, eating and any other activity that isn't learning the language 0:30 "toki" is derived from Tok Pisin. Ultimately, it does come from English due to Tok Pisin being a pidgin, but I don't know why you would skip over that 0:53 English consonants? Spanish vowels? Oversimplification. "j" doesn't get pronounced like in English, and many languages have the same sounds for the vowels, Spanish is only one of them and they don't derive from Spanish directly. Weird choice. 1:07 "regardless of vowel placement" - Uh... I mean, that's true, but I don't see what vowel placement would have to do with it in the first place??? 1:19 no, "ala" negates any content word, not just subjects, plus it can work as the head of its own phrase 1:21 toki pona does have those thing, just not as a part of the grammar 1:30 nothing ever gets capitalised in toki pona except for names 1:47 lists "o" as a possble interjection - ths might be up for debate, but currently is a bit unusual, I don't know why it would be listed here 1:48 typo: "pakola" should be "pakala" 1:57 ignoring the capitalisation, "sini" is a typo of "sina" 2:03 not quite - seme here is a modifier to "pilin", so instead of asking "you feel what", it's more "you what-feel" or "you feel in what way" 2:12 while it limits communication (intentionally of course), you can build from the basics to talk about anything 2:15 typicall, there's no polite speech, and there's nothing that would indicate formal speech, but politeness can be included - it's a cultural distinction that doesn't feature in toki pona as a fixed part, but certainly you can act out a set of expected things or phrases if you need to be polite in the context of who you're talking to 2:18 ok, yes, that can work - "start with pona" - that's good - expressing gratitude is a whole topic on itself, so having this in the video should be ok, even if it's not the whole story 2:25 yeah, similarly, this can work - there is an expansion that includes more words that can work for very exact numbers - although "ala" and "ale" would also work for non-exact numbers 2:31 ok, so I didn't mishear the beginning of the video - there were some syllables swallowed - the "e" in "mute" does get pronounced 2:46 noun phrases? nope - full sentences, context, not long noun phrases, in fact long noun phrases make it hard to understand 2:47 noun phrases come after the word they describe? That's... modifiers. Ok, so we have different terminology, but that still isn't right 2:53 oh, "j" doesn't get pronounced like that typically 2:56 uh, no, that's not the translation. More like "is a moving box". You might have been missing a couple of things 3:13 "suwi" coming first means you're talking about a more sugary substance rather than a liquid, so you'd usually have "telo" first. Then there's the issue of "kepeken" not meaning "with" in the same exact way as in English, and "en" being in an untypical place as far as modern courses are teaching (although it was used that way in earlier versions of toki pona, so you might still come across it, and people do use it, so it's not totally wrong, just one thing among many that are weird to be included there) - oh, and it'd probably "kule pi ijo kasi" if I follow the thought of what is said here 3:36 arabic is alphabetical (well, usually an abjad), and pretty phonetical What's missing from my-this comment is that there are points about the philosophy that are slightly off. Discussing this would take the same amount of text twice over, and I'd have to disentangle/put into appropriate context the more quippy parts of the video that aren't meant to be fact giving as much as the rest

@casperdewith

Жыл бұрын

a a a mi wan kin li sitelen suli e pakala ali ona · mi jan pi nasin sama a ·

@janalasali6912

Жыл бұрын

your essay is longer than mine

@casperdewith

Жыл бұрын

Same, jan Alasali o. I also wrote quite a long one. And while writing it, I thought: jan Ke Tami is definitely writing as well. (based on his behaviour on the subreddit)

@IamSamys

Жыл бұрын

a a a sina ale li pona!

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

@@janalasali6912 a a do I win a prize for longest essay then? /s taso toki mi li suli tan ni: mi toki e ale lon tu li kepeken toki Inli li kepeken toki pona.

Sam is so good at being bad he made a ton of orthography and pronunciation mistakes in a language with one of the easiest orthographies and phonologies

@MaximusLongus

Жыл бұрын

This. As a person that never heard about the language before, I was so confused when he first stated that the vowels are based on Spanish and the proceeded to pronounce every word as if it was an English one anyway :D

@Naftoreiclag

Жыл бұрын

Someone who learned toki pona in only one day would sound like Sam does in this video.

@keiyakins

Жыл бұрын

He also butchered the grammar in the intro. I mean, I was able to work it out, but still.

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

lon.. a a a

@thomaswade3072

Жыл бұрын

@@Naftoreiclag he and the writing team collectively put in 8 hours :D

In case anyone's wondering, someone who learned toki pona in only one day would sound like Sam does in this video.

@jownadel1526

Жыл бұрын

I think that someone who learned it in one hour would do better

@MizhiBirb

Жыл бұрын

@@jownadel1526 within my first 10 minutes i sounded accurate. i just wished sam had gotten a speaker to check the pronounciation

@NonTwinBrothers

Жыл бұрын

I've been subscribed to the subreddit for 4 years. So I'm basically an expert

@phoenixehc

Жыл бұрын

@@MizhiBirb and grammar

@janNowa

Жыл бұрын

There's pretty compelling evidence he used AI generated text for the translations lol

For having so few sounds and words to learn, Sam completely butchered the pronunciation lmao.

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

lon a. pilin mi la jan sin mute pi ma Mewika (en mi) li kalama pakala lon open. ona li kama nasin pi toki Inli e toki pona. taso jan ni pi sitelen tawa li pakala nasa a. mute ~~ moot a a a Yeah, a lot of English speakers that I know mess up pronunciation to some extent by Americanising how it should be said when they're starting out, and I did it too, but somehow Sam messed up a lot. "mute" (two syllables even) was said like "moot" lol

@cogspace

Жыл бұрын

There's something especially hilarious about pointing out that stress always comes on the first syllable, and then screwing that up several times later in the video.

@omekapo

Жыл бұрын

not just pronunciation. he straight up just mentioned random facts about it and didnt even mention the philosophy, reasons for being made, etc. its sucks to see something im so pationate for get so misrepresentnted.

@jansepulon

Жыл бұрын

Well to be fair, toki pona is supposed to be accepting of many different pronunciations, but yeah there were a few instances of completely unintelligible ones in this video. Despite speaking toki pona for years I still sometimes put the stress on the wrong syllable, especially in my songs, but that's may be because of my main language and the influence of its culture on my accent...

@sullivanbell2397

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

Hi! There appear to be a few errors here, here's a few clarifications from a self-proclaimed advanced toki pona speaker: 30 hours is a reasonable time frame to get speaking the language, but mastery takes a long time, like any language. The first letters of toki pona words are never capitalized, that's reserved for loan words, so 'mi moku' instead. 'pakola' is a mispelling of pakala, 'sini' for sina. Yes it is true that having so few words makes it difficult to specify exact things, but toki pona relies more heavily on context than large noun phrases. For bricks, 'kiwen' (rock) by itself may work well. 'poki loje lon sinpin li poki tawa' means more like, 'the red boxes on the wall are moving boxes'. I believe Arabic's script is in fact phonetically based, but I am not very familiar. Thanks for shedding some light on our language!

@madhab7451

Жыл бұрын

Ok

@xjhero2044

Жыл бұрын

I speak Arabic, I went WTF when he said that Arabic script is non phonetic. Each letter is a distinct sound. To the point writing a word you just heard for the first time is a thoughtless action.

@omarkorayem6611

Жыл бұрын

Arabic is phonetic but it's an impure abjad not an alphabet. An abjad being a writing system that only has consonants and impure because long vowels are written.

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

I'm always skeptical of estimates of how long it takes to learn a language. Using my own constructed language of choice Leo Tolstoy claimed to have taught himself Esperanto in a single day, which is dubious to say the least. Also as someone who flunked out of an Arabic language course the writing system for Arabic and many other languages in that part of the world including Hebrew is called an abjad. Basically it's like an alphabet, but the vowels are mostly or entirely omitted. Sometimes in Arabic they're marked with small characters above the main line of text that often get mistaken for diacritics.

@janopa9719

Жыл бұрын

@@tjenadonn6158 I'm with you there. I'm not too familiar with Esperanto, I believe I've heard it's grammar advertised as extremely consistent and easy to learn, if so, this less impressive "learning Esperanto in one day" sounds reasonable to me. (toki pona even more so!) But this says nothing of the memorization and practice involved to twist your brain into how another language sees things. In my estimation, it takes a month at least to be conversational in toki pona

As a toki pona speaker, I am so glad this guy makes a "mistakes" video every year.

@MizhiBirb

Жыл бұрын

can't wait to see all the ones in this... the pronounciation the spelling the grammar there's so many atleast it's getting toki pona out there says j is like /dɮ/ then pronounces it like /h/ even though it's said like /j/.

@electricnezumi

Жыл бұрын

His mistakes for this is gonna be longer than the video itself

@dolorsitametconsectur

Жыл бұрын

@@MizhiBirb oh hey cherry! I hope I’m not mistaking you for someone else bc thatd be terrible. Agreed, I’m hoping that it gets it out there, but it didn’t do a great job at making it look good sadly.

@olivius8891

Жыл бұрын

sitelen ni jo e pakala mute mute

@twiwatchesvocaloidstuff7159

Жыл бұрын

conspiracy theory: he didn’t have enough mistakes in the other videos for the video to be long enough so he made this one to ensure he would have enough content

guys i think he tried to learn the language within a day

@notwithouttext

Жыл бұрын

clearly

@Naftoreiclag

Жыл бұрын

musi a!

@janajusimi269

Жыл бұрын

ona li jo ala e tenpo mute anu seme?

@prodtheontar

Жыл бұрын

@@janajusimi269 mi toki insa e ni: ona li sona ala e toki pona. jan lipu ona li sitelen e lipu pi sitelen tawa ni. jan San li lukin taso

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

a a lon,,

Learning a language to talk to robots is literally what computer programming is

@Heynmffc

Жыл бұрын

Python with extra steps lol

@paradiseexpress3639

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure they said AI and not robots.

@fernandogiongo

Жыл бұрын

Programming languages can only express mathematically defined things whereas toki pona can express more general, human things. Computers are bad at this, so making human language more code-like, with fewer, well defined words, makes a lot of sense, if you want to talk to bots.

@deleted-something

Жыл бұрын

Fr

@svpracer98

Жыл бұрын

Better hope you chose the right programming language though.

Can we appreciate how the woman who made up this language is actually named Lang

@syro33

Жыл бұрын

Also, her first name, Sonja, sounds a lot like "sona" which means knowledge. so "jan Sonja" is pretty similar to "jan sona" (teacher)! It's such a great coincidence!

@IamSamys

Жыл бұрын

not her maiden name, she married into it, I believe after she made the language

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

@@IamSamys a musi. mi sona ala e ni a. ni li namako musi

@danielbishop1863

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. It's the kind of name that almost obligates a person to become a linguist. Just like Tito Beveridge *had* to start a vodka brand, George McGovern *had* to become a politician, and Usain Bolt *had* to become an Olympic sprinter.

@notwithouttext

Жыл бұрын

@@danielbishop1863 a a a

Arabic is 100% a phonetically written language. Sure, sometimes the vowels are not explicitly written, but they can be made explicit and the consonants are always written.

@mplo23

Жыл бұрын

Paused the video to look for this comment

@raymaa1223

Жыл бұрын

@@mplo23 Same haha

@northstarjakobs

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if this exactly means the same thing as "100% phonetically written" but in old english, every written letter was pronounced (no silent letters)

@TheOCDDoc

Жыл бұрын

While Arabic does occasionally have silent letters, it follows rules, and is akin to the K in knife not being pronounced. It absolutely is phonetic, and you can add inflections over the letters to better phonate a letter…

@jojbenedoot7459

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOCDDoc "occasionally?" Arabic short vowels are unwritten and implied 99% of the time unless you're reading something for kids or the Quran

There are actually some Toki Pona natives, although not entirely successfully so. (Aronora made an interview) And at 1:56 you said "sini" instead of "sina" Oh and just a side note: The goal of Toki Pona is to be simplistic, so using large noun chains isn't encouraged

@eduardoxenofonte4004

Жыл бұрын

@@busimagen you are correct, there are no silent letters in toki pona

@dylanbksp

Жыл бұрын

@@busimagen yeah all letters in toki pona are pronounced exactly like IPA, so for example "a" is pronounced as /a/ and "j" is pronounced as /j/

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

@@busimagen I could get it if he was talking about Esperanto: our phonology can be tricky at times with "c" making the [ts] sound (think the "zz" in "pizza") and some of the more idiosyncratic accented characters like "ĥ" (pronounced like the "ch" in "Loch".) But Toki Pona literally has the simplest alphabet and phonology of any language we know of.

@infiniteplanes5775

Жыл бұрын

Large noun chains are important when context alone can't describe them. Differentiating two similar ideas or introducing a thing in the abstract

@notmyfirstlanguage

Жыл бұрын

@@infiniteplanes5775 Multiple sentences are encouraged in those contexts, rather than large noun chains.

As a linguist, any time Sam puts out a video on language, I notice so many errors, though most of them aren’t *too* bad. I wonder if it’s the same in his other videos and I just don’t notice because I know next to nothing about logistics, geography or engineering…

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

I almost want to send my brother who drives big rigs for a living one of his videos on the trucking industry.

@fishbutnoegg

Жыл бұрын

@@tjenadonn6158 you should, it would be interesting to see what he has to say

@Kibannn

Жыл бұрын

It's very possible! J.J. McCullough dives into this in part of a recent video he made... Though I'm not sure where the timestamp would be lol. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h3iV0bSDiMWYdrg.html (edit: just looked through it. Seems to be at about 6:48) Essentially, mistakes are sooo much more obvious when you're familiar with the material surrounding them. So if it's, say an article or KZread video, and the parts that seem credible are only the parts you're unfamiliar with, it's entirely possible that they seem riddled with mistakes to experts in those specific subjects.

@lhozo9007

Жыл бұрын

they're sometimes really bad.

@TankEngine75

Жыл бұрын

I'm into Geography, there's very few mistakes in those videos

One thing that wasn't mentioned is that toki pona is a contextual language. telo could mean water, but it can also just mean liquid. Once you use some of the few words in the language to try to describe a drink like coffee, you can just call it "telo ni" (this liquid) after that. Also, if the person is there with you and they can clearly see that it's coffee, you can just say "telo ni" since the context is already clear.

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

ni li lon! ijo li ken ijo wan tawa jan wan li ken ijo ante tawa jan ante. telo ni li wawa e jan lon tenpo open la ona li telo wawa. telo ni li suwi taso tawa jan la ona li ken telo suwi. That's true! Things can be named differently by different people in different contexts, whether it might be an energy drink in the morning to someone or a sweet drink to enjoy for someone else. (or as you said, "telo ni" in the context of pointing at coffee a a)

@janseta5162

Жыл бұрын

@@pomelo9518 yup! a lot of toki pona words are like that, where you might find it has a default meaning for a more general word like "poki" means box or just container, plus depending on how they're placed in a scentace each word can be used as a noun, adjective, of verb like "toki" means language, but after li which makes it a verb it means "to talk" or "talking" etc. and it can be used as an adjective! for instance "jan" means person, and putting one word after another (except for grammar markers like li, since they only indicate the next word is a different part of speech) makes it an adjective on that stuff so "jan toki" would mean "talkative person" or "communicator"! (though some there aren't really cases where you would)

@bendahara8284

10 ай бұрын

in my language telo ni means this egg

Judging by the comments, this episode is gonna be quite prominent in the next "Every mistake" video XD Still, tanks for bringing more attention to this interesting language!

@rcoder01

Жыл бұрын

I’m expecting this to be taken down soon and reuploaded with fixes

@MizhiBirb

Жыл бұрын

@@rcoder01 absolutely. gonna take a while to fix all these mistakes though haha. i still have all the respect for sam and what he does but like... atleast get a speaker to check if you're saying it right... ijo as "eye yo" mispells sina as sini there's so much. defo gonna take a while to redo

@omekapo

Жыл бұрын

this better get a good amount of screentime because this video barly discribed actual toki pona.

@yuvalne

Жыл бұрын

+

@soundscape26

Жыл бұрын

He could as well redo this whole video.

As someone who has been learning this language on and off for about a year: no, you can not learn it in a day.

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

a ni a li lon. mi toki tawa jan mute la jan mute li toki e ijo sama ni: ona li kama sona lon tenpo mun tu wan a. pini ni la ona li kama ken toki pona. taso jan ante li kepeken tenpo pi suli ante. suno *wan* taso la ni li suli. That's true. Between all the people I've spoken to, a fair amount say it took them about three months to learn it conversationally, but of course others still took longer, all still being longer than a single day though.

@michaelmam1490

Жыл бұрын

If you're familiar with linguistics, you could get the grammar and pronunciation down within a day, although the words would take a few days to memorize and it would take a lot of input and practice to get common practices down

@0x6a09

Жыл бұрын

no prpbably can learn how to translate most phrases in a day, but yhere's no way someome becomes fluent at it in a day

@mskiptr

Жыл бұрын

@@0x6a09 Something along those lines would be possible. I was able to teach all the (pu) grammar and vocabulary to a group of people within three days (for a few hours during each day). It worked rather well. Although most of them individually were still forgetting a lot, as a group they were sometimes able to suggest better sentences then I would come up with.

@0x6a09

Жыл бұрын

@@mskiptr still, i don't think that counts as "fluent"

toki a! I've been a speaker of toki pona for the past 2-3 years now. I don't comment much, but this video makes a LOT of mistakes that I'd like to correct. My earlier comment got deleted because the amount of corrections I had was so long that KZread thought it was spam so I'll make this JUST the really bad corrections. Even with all of these mistakes corrected, this video remains a terrible jumping off point for learning Toki Pona and will affect the community. People will come to Toki Pona with the assumption that they can learn it in a day and that it's great for speaking to computers, neither of which are true (I'm the developer of one of the best toki pona machine translators, I would know.) In its current state, new learners of Toki Pona coming from this video creates a problem of requiring new learners to first unlearn what they learned here, before learning the language. That being said... 0:00 - The thumbnail of the video says "kipisi sama kama e wile sona", which translates back to "to slice your want for knowledge similarly to becoming". I get that it's going for "half as interesting", but this thumbnail is a sentence fragment that is nearly meaningless. 0:53 - The consonents are based off of Latin letters, not English letters. And things are pronounced nearly identically to each letters sound in the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet). 1:19 - Toki Pona does have gender and tenses, these things are just not intrinsic to sentence and you can specify them if you deem them relevant. For example, the words "mije", "meli", and "tonsi" mean "man", "woman", and "non-binary" respectively. 1:29 - Sentences in toki pona are NEVER capitalized. Capitalizing a sentence in toki pona is gramatically incorrect. A Capitalized word signifies that the word is a name that describes a noun and is not used when starting a sentence. 1:46 - "pakola" is not a word in toki pona. This is a mispelling of "pakala". 1:55 - "Sini" is also not a word in toki pona. This is a mispelling of "sina". Also this should be uncapitalized. 2:12 - More than the basics can be communicated. Please see this video explaining non-euclidean geometry in Toki Pona. kzread.info/dash/bejne/poBluaSOf9SrZJs.html (English subtitles are available) 2:30 - "mute" is pronounced with two syllables, "mu" and "te". It should be pronounced "mu-te", and not "moot". 2:39 - Describing something in Toki Pona WITHOUT CONTEXT can take more words. Many things that I say in toki pona would require more words in English to say the same. Toki Pona is more broad than English, but you don't need to make up for that broadness to be understood. In context, just "telo" by itself could mean "coffee", rather than what's shown in a later example. 2:49 - The translation for "I love bricks", "poki loje lon sinpin li poki tawa.", is just... not even the same sentence as "I love bricks."... or even close... This translates back to (being generous with the translation, because I would read "lon sinpin" as "at the front" instead) "The red container at the wall is a moving container." I think what he WANTED to say was "poki loje lon sinpin li pona tawa mi.", which is better, translating to "The red container at the wall is good to me." But... this sentence should be something like "kiwen leko loje li pona tawa mi.", which translates to "The red block-like rock is good to me." 2:52 - The letter "j" is pronounced like the English letter "y", not like the English letter "h". It's similar to how it's pronounced in German or Swedish. 3:13 - The pronunciation for "suwi telo wawa kepeken namako en kule ijo kasi." is just... completely butchered. The first syllable of a word in toki pona is always the one to be stressed. It is not "kePEken", it is "KEpeken". This is true for every word. "ijo" is pronounced wrong. Vowels in toki pona are pronounces similar to Spanish or Esperanto, where the vowel "i" should be pronounced like the english letter "e". 3:13 - "suwi telo wawa kepeken namako en kule ijo kasi" translates back to "Energetic watery sweets with spice and plant-like thing-like colors." The usage of "en" here means that this statement would only work as the subject of a sentence, and is two seperate subjects, the color and the wood and the sweets. "en" does NOT act like "and". Since we're describing a liquid, "telo" should come first. "telo suwi wawa namako pi kule kasi" would be a good way to describe coffee, meaning "plant colored spicy energetic sweet drink." But this is overly specific and just "telo wawa namako" would get across "coffee" to a toki pona speaker. 3:30 - As mentioned before, "siTElen pona" should be "SItelen pona" 3:36 - Arabic is absolutely phonetic. There is a lot more that it gets wrong, and I've posted the rest of the list in the replies.

@dylanbksp

Жыл бұрын

maybe you could put the other corrections in the reply section?

@eiknarfnosan6965

Жыл бұрын

this is true

@KelseyHigham

Жыл бұрын

good comment!! sona pona a!!

@_Mikarific_

Жыл бұрын

@@dylanbksp Good Idea! Here's the rest of the less important corrections. 0:00 - In the introduction, Sam says "toki! nimi mi li Sam". In toki pona, names are adjectives, and this name is not describing a noun like it should. Therefore a better way to say this is "mi jan Sam", or "I am the person named Sam". Also, names in toki pona become "tokiponized" to fit the syllable structure, this is not a big deal tho and names are commonly used without tokiponization. 0:27 - "toki" is derived from the Tok Pisin word "tok" which itself is derived from the English word "talk". Close enough? 0:14 - While the video says it's comprised of 120 words, there have been many revisions to that and the commonly accepted number of words now is 137, updated to include the words from the book "The Toki Pona Dictionary" (which I've contibuted to!). This video actually uses many of the extra 17 words, with "kipisi" being in the thumbnail and "namako" being in the video. 0:16 - I think saying you can learn it in hours is an overstatement. People like to say you can learn it quickly, and you can (I was barely conversational in 3 days), but don't expect to be speaking well in such little time. 1:17 - None of the things listed here are articles. 1:17 - "ala" does not solely negate subjects, it negates literally any content word. 1:17 - I would say that "en" doesn't "introduce a new subject" but rather "concatenates two subjects together into one". While it's not incorrect it can be misleading. 1:25 - While "mi moku." can mean "I am eating." and "I am food." it's fairly uncommon for that to be actually ambigous because context does a lot in toki pona. 1:44 - Interjections can be basically any word that makes sense, and are not limited to being one word, such as "tawa pona!" meaning "Good bye!". 1:44 - "o" as an interjection is a bit strange. It doesn't really do that on it's own as an interjection, but rather comes after a subject to say "Hey (subject of the sentence)! (rest of the sentence)" 1:44 - "ala" is more like "not" rather than "no". toki pona does not have "yes" and "no", you either repeat the verb of a sentence or negate that verb to answer a yes or no question. For the purposes of translating it as an interjection tho, this is fine. 2:14 - There is no way to say "Thank You" because politeness is implied. You can say "sina pona." for "You are good." which you do see from time to time. 2:21 - While "laso" meaning "blue" isn't incorrect, "laso" also means "green". There is no distinction between green and blue in Toki Pona, they are the same color. I like to describe laso as "grue". 2:23 - While there are no numbers in toki pona, theres a common numbering system that uses "luka" (meaning "hand") for 5, "mute" (meaning "many") for 20, and "ale" (meaning "all") for 100. "ale mute luka tun wan" would mean "100+20+5+2+1", or "128". 3:56 - Writing "SAM" like that is possible but phonetically incorrect because "Sam" isn't a valid syllable. This would become "San". Also, "HAI" would get this same treatment, becoming something like "Ajeja" or "Eseja". 4:04 - There ARE native speakers of toki pona, but they are quite young. Check out Aronora's video on the subject. kzread.info/dash/bejne/m45m3KSKktSxcps.html 4:26 - Playing Minecraft in toki pona is very playable! I play minecraft in toki pona all the time! It's a great way to learn the language and I recommend it to people trying to learn all the time. I am also one of the people who contribute translations for Minecraft, so if you decide to try it, you're looking at (partially) my work! 4:41 - AI currently speaks toki pona... really badly... I'm the creator of the toki pona translation discord bot "ilo Kukole", and it just isn't accurate at all, but is considered by the community to be one of the better translators out there. AI is good at taking audio and recognising what is being said, but nobody has made a successful chat bot in toki pona.

@bananacat3109

Жыл бұрын

jan ale o, o lukin e ni!!!

While I'm glad to see toki pona being featured and getting more recognition, there's so much wrong with this video that it kinda hurts to watch. Everyone, please look into this language beyond this video because this does not do it justice.

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

lon a. mi open lukin e sitelen tawa la mi pilin pona suli tan ni: a jan suli a li kama lukin e toki pona a! mi olin a e toki ni! taso sitelen tawa li pakala la ona li pona suli ala. Yeah, I was really excited to see a video covering a favourite topic of mine, but it's really sad to see it be so messed up unfortunately.

@MizhiBirb

Жыл бұрын

ni mute

@broccoliflorette1970

Жыл бұрын

mi pilin sama a :/ For those wanting to find out more, Langfocus has a really good video that gives an overview of the language, and to learn the language you can find a really good video lesson series on jan Kekan San's channel

I’m amazed that Sam managed to butcher the pronunciation of a language that has 14 simple sounds in total

jan Misali has a great video series teaching Toki Pona, and he's also one of the best KZreadrs out there in general.

@suomeaboo

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps the most prominent Toki Pona KZreadr out there, with lots of other fun varied content.

@yuvalne

Жыл бұрын

+

@ex5392

Жыл бұрын

New radio shows?

@SJohann

Жыл бұрын

My favourite cute fraud.

@WhizzKid2012

6 ай бұрын

Two of them!

Correction about Arabic: It is in fact a phonetic writing system, it's just unless you're writing something for learners or the exact pronunciation, you don't use the little vowel markers. Only consonants and long vowels Examples; (note: I'm using this symbol [:] for long vowels, which are always written in Arabic.) Also Arabic is written from right to left and tends to be formatted small so the formatting might be a little weird here (KZread is really wonky with Arabic and Hebrew writing because of that), feel free to plug this in a document and crank up the font size if you have trouble seeing stuff. { انا مارك }[a:na: m:ark] (I am Mark) is an entirely phonetic sentence, one-for-one, in part because of the long vowels. Technically you can add indications that the raa and kaa do not have any vowel to make it less ambiguous, but for the most part it is phonetic. Notice both a:na: and ma:rk take on the alif for the long "a" sound. { انا طليبة }[a:na: Tali:b(t)a] (I am a [female] student) the word "Tali:ba" is written with a taa marbuta (ة), which indicates femininity and changes to a regular taa (ت) when suffixes are added or plurality are indicated. While the consonants are indicated, the short vowels are not. (the capital T is a retroflex consonant, different from taa). The above sentence with vowel markers would be انا طَليبَة. Taa marbuta takes on the "a" sound automatically until it changes to normal taa in changes such as طليبتي [Tali:bati:] (my [female] students) Also yes, in the present tense Arabic drops "to be". To say "I was a (female) student", you would say كُنتُ طليبة [kuntu Tali:b(t)a]. But if you don't say the short "u", it becomes "she was a student" (كانتْ طليبة) [ka:nat Tali:b(t)a]. The grammar is way more complex than the writing system, and that's the hardest part about Arabic, not the writing. It's kind of like Spanish but much harder because of other verb aspects. That's just the tip of the iceberg, but otherwise I'm glad to see more people interested in topics like languages.

@xXJ4FARGAMERXx

Жыл бұрын

Corrections about your comment: *أنا مارك Because there's a difference between ٱ (hamzat wasl) and أ (hamzat qat3) Also the IPA for that is not [aːnaː maːrk], but [ʔanaː maːrk] or [ʔana maːrk] if you're using quran tajweed rules. Why do you write طليبة? Why not write the much more common طالبة? My dictionary doesn't even list طليبة! Same thing as انا مارك, it should be written أنا طليبة and the IPA should be [ʔanaː tˤɑˤliːba] or [ʔana tˤɑˤliːba] or [ʔanaː tˤɑˤliːbah] or [ʔana tˤɑˤliːbah] or [ʔanaː tˤɑˤliːbatun] or [ʔana tˤɑˤliːbatun] or [ʔanaː tˤɑˤliːba(h/tun)] or [ʔana tˤɑˤliːba(h/tun)] depending on how specific you want to be and which form you want to accommodate and whether you're using quranic tajweed rules or not. The IPA for كُنتُ طَلِيبَةً is also wrong, it should be [kuntu tˤɑˤliːba] or [kuntu tˤɑˤliːbah] or [kuntu tˤɑˤliːbatun] or [kuntu tˤɑˤliːba(h/tun)] depending on how accomodating you want to be. No if you remove the short u from كُنتُ it either becomes كُنت, or كنتُ, or كنت which all don't mean anything. It certainly does *not* become كَانَت And even if it did become كَانَت طَلِيبَةً the IPA for that is incorrect, because it would be [kaːnatˤ tˤɑˤliːba] or [kaːnat tˤɑˤliːba] or [kaːnatˤ tˤɑˤliːbah] or [kaːnat tˤɑˤliːbah] or [kaːnatˤ tˤɑˤliːbatun] or [kaːnat tˤɑˤliːbatun] or [kaːnatˤ tˤɑˤliːba(h/tun)] or [kaːnat tˤɑˤliːba(h/tun)] depending on how accomodating you want to be and whether you're using quranic tajweed rules or not.

even though you can learn the language in a day, it doesnt seem like the hai writers bothered to learn anything about it

@yiris10001

Жыл бұрын

TRUE

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this one really is a dud.

@janKanon

Жыл бұрын

you can't, really

@jangamecuber

Жыл бұрын

It probably takes about 2 weeks to a month

The last time Sam did conlang video,it got everything absolutely wrong. Glad to see traditions are still alive lmao

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

a a toki pali seme li lon sitelen tawa pakala nanpa pini? mi lukin ala e ona. lol what conland was the last video on? I haven't seen it.

@goobs..

Жыл бұрын

@@mamusipipalisajelo5419 ithkuil

@goobs..

Жыл бұрын

@@mamusipipalisajelo5419 and his pronunciation is just 💀

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

@@goobs.. a sina pona

I have a few corrections. I'm a fluent toki pona speaker who's been learning since 2019, and this video gets quite a bit wrong. 0:33 toki is derived from Tok Pisin, not English. 0:48 The English alphabet has 26 letters. Both English and toki pona use the Latin alphabet. 0:56 They're not "based off" the English letters. They're common sounds cross-linguistically, and they use the same glyphs that the IPA uses to represent them. 1:00 They're not Spanish. They just have a similar pronunciation. 1:19 None of these are articles. 1:48 pakala, not pakola. 1:57 sina, not sini. 2:30 You pronounce the e in mute. It's, vaguely, "moo-tay" (or /mute/ in the IPA) 2:53 j is not pronounced like h. It's pronounced like y. 2:58 This sentence doesn't mean that. It actually means "red container on wall is moving container". I think you wanted to say "leko loje sinpin li pona tawa mi", or "red wall box is good to me". 3:14 Stress each word on the first syllable. ijo sounds like ee-yo. Adjectives come after nouns, so telo wawa suwi. You don't need ijo here. You don't have to say all that to describe a coffee - I would settle for telo kapesi (brown liquid) or telo wawa (strong liquid). 3:31 Stress sitelen on the first syllable. 4:00 Sam breaks toki pona's phonotactics - you can't have m at the end of a syllable. You'd have to go for San instead. HAI is also against the phonotactics, not just because there's an h but also because you can't have two vowels next to each other This isn't everything, but it's most of what I picked up on. I don't really like how this video portrays toki pona as difficult or unwieldy to use - the purpose of toki pona is simplicity, and if you try to stuff an entire English sentence into toki pona, you're doing it wrong. It's about reduction of a concept to its most basic form, not describing every single aspect of something. Context amd relevance are key. Either way, if this video serves as an entry point of more people into the community, I'm happy. It would just be nicer if this video got more things right.

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

a a mi en jan ante luka pi lukin mi li kin li toki e pakala lon toki anpa sama sina. wile la ona o lukin e at least wan pi mi ale a

@bananacat3109

Жыл бұрын

no inari don't tell them about nimi sin people don't use it'll only get worse /j

@temmiemew

Жыл бұрын

hi inari!

@dolorsitametconsectur

Жыл бұрын

@@bananacat3109 :nimisin: sini: HAI

@danielbishop1863

Жыл бұрын

But Tok Pisin is an English creole language, whose name is derived from the English words "talk" and "pidgin". So "tok" *is* derived from English, just indirectly.

As an Arab, I have to correct you on one thing: Arabic is totally a phonetic language. Sometimes the 3 basic vowels are not written (أ-و-ي) but these instead are replaced with signs that correlate to each noun. Heck, 90% of Arabic grammar is about knowing when each sign should be used and what not, and I guarantee Arabic wouldn't be hard if those signs didn't even exist. So no, Arabic is phonetic.

@guitarplayer3k

Жыл бұрын

As someone learning MSA. Yeah... The video is just wrong.

@vod96

Жыл бұрын

Americans see squiggly lines on paper "ah yes pictograms"

@yuvalne

Жыл бұрын

+

*sees title* "You overestimate my ability to learn things"

@hecko-yes

Жыл бұрын

don't worry, he didn't do a perfect job either especially pronunciation, which i presume is because the writer didn't communicate that well

@syro33

Жыл бұрын

yep, in my experience it took around two-ish weeks to get comfortable with grammar and stuff, and I'm still figuring out new things as I go.

The next HAI mistakes video is going to have a 10 minute section just on this episode

Arabic is phonetic😐 It just has an abjad instead of an alphabet

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

He may as well have said that languages that use Cyrillic aren't phonetic.

this video really needs to be redone omg. it's so simple and there are so many errors :(

the entire kulupu showed up to dunk on this video, just incredible

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

lon,,

@kulupunasa

Жыл бұрын

it's very rare when a main stream person talks about toki pona, so of course everybody came for the toki pona, stayed for the misinfo

@D1eg0_

Жыл бұрын

mi ale li lon 😎

I watched this video soon after it came out, and it was the first time I ever heard of toki pona. I shoved it into my memory as just another one of the interesting things Sam talks about. Around a month or two later (although before looking at the upload date I probably would have said I watched this video in 2021 and it was over a year later), I saw it somewhere else. I had recently decided I wanted to be a linguist, so I figured I'd learn toki pona. It took me a while, and I rarely tried to learn anything until this summer, but in recent weeks I've started getting very close to fluency. This is the first time since December that I've watched this video, and it's really sad to see how inaccurate it is. Still, thank you for introducing me to this amazing language and this amazing community. - jan Osuka

"kipisi sama kama e wile sona" so true bestie

Even though I speak Toki Pona, his butchered pronunciation made me feel I was having a stroke.

90% of this year's mistakes video will be just this video.

It isn’t too hard to talk about coffee in toki pona if the sentence and concepts are simplified. Part of the design of the language is using simple sentences and compound words that only contain the amount of information you need to communicate your desired message.

@hecko-yes

Жыл бұрын

@@busimagen well there's no single word for "wood", but i suppose `telo kasi` ("plant liquid") could work or to refer to the color you could do `telo pi kule ma` ("earth-colored liquid"), or if you really want wood then `telo pi kule pi kiwen kasi` ("plant·hardness-colored liquid") but that's very long though generally my preferred translation would be `telo wawa` ("energy liquid") or `telo pi lape ala` ("no-sleep liquid"), because those say what it's _for_ instead of giving unnecessary details about its origin or color (unless of course the origin/color matters in a given conversation)

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

This method of reducing a language to a basic number of meaning-containing units and constructing words by combining them is extremely common in constructed languages. A classic example is the Esperanto word for hospital, "malsanulejo," which combines the negating unit "mal-," the unit meaning health "san-," the unit meaning person "ul-," and the unit meaning place "ejo," so you get something that literally translates to "un-healthy-people-place." Sam has previously made a video about Ithkuil, which takes this concept to the extreme. You'd think he knows how this works by now.

@syro33

Жыл бұрын

@@hecko-yes telo wawa and telo pi lape ala do seem to be good translations. or even just "telo" if its just like, a drink and you dont need to specify coffee.

@mateuszbugaj799

Жыл бұрын

@@hecko-yes what is the purpouse of this language if there is no simple way to convey something as basic as coffe?

@dozyote

Жыл бұрын

@@mateuszbugaj799 You probably don't think about exactly what coffee is and the process of making it every time you say the word coffee. If I'm having a conversation with someone in the morning and I mention that I have my morning coffee, I'd probably just say "telo wawa". If you require more context, the result is more verbose, but that's the case for every natural language

I think at this point he's morally obligated to mess up the pronunciation of any language he covers on HAI

His next mistakes video is basically just gonna be about this.

to all of you not familiar with toki pona i beg you please go watch literally anyone else's video on it. jan Misali's are good but anything is better. i really don't like being mean online but this is a popular channel with presumably enough resources to at least, spend a bit more time reviewing stuff before putting it out. like maybe run the video through a couple people who speak the language and could point some of these things out; as other people have said, it is an actual language that is spoken by people, and it doesn't seem like a lot of those people's input went into this. i really hope the people for whom this is the first exposure to toki pona actually go look at other sources it really wouldn't be as bad if the video didn't present itself as somehow being an authoritative source on the language while not even being close to an accurate surface reading of it

*Welcome to HAI, the show that gets facts wrong about **_your_** favourite conlang*

@RichConnerGMN

Жыл бұрын

a a a musi

@Oziji

Жыл бұрын

a

@apollogeist8513

Жыл бұрын

lmaooo

@TabbyIshProto

9 ай бұрын

a a, mi sona

@jan_Masilijun

8 ай бұрын

a a, ni li pana e pona tawa mi

"so you can take a break from learning with a little bit of learning" lol most accurate statement about MIT

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

Also autism, at least in my own experience being autistic. My idea of relaxing is writing a paper trying to synthesize a distinctly pagan vision of transhumanism at 2 AM.

It's unsettling to me how someone so knowledgeable just...cannot produce basic sounds without them being overtly "American" 💀 having flashbacks to his China videos

guys, we found him... b gilson

This guy should collab with Sam from Jet Lag: The Game

@hydrochloricacid2146

Жыл бұрын

And that guy from the Wendover productions channel too

@embernoble8510

Жыл бұрын

@@hydrochloricacid2146 i was gonna say that ;-;

@jenaf4208

Жыл бұрын

Nah, they are too different, wont work.

@mikemotter3685

Жыл бұрын

I think that guy might be too busy trying to keep his iron grip on the state of Maryland

@ThePrufessa

Жыл бұрын

No he shouldn't

who told you 'poki loje lon sinpin li poki tawa' meant bricks are lovely to me? this means 'face existing red containers are moving containers' why not just 'kiwen li pona'?

@notwithouttext

Жыл бұрын

or to be more specific kiwen tomo li pona mute tawa mi

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

nimi "leko" li pona tawa mi. taso jan pi ale ala li kepeken nimi ni tan pu ala ona. mi wile toki e ni: "leko loje li pona tawa mi."

Gotta love how he explains the basic pronunciation rules and then screws up right after that, I don't even speak the language and noticed a lot of mistakes, that's just impressively little care. It's really funny tho, to the point that I find it a bit charming. I might just go ahead and learn this language out of curiosity.

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

It is hilarious how much he got wrong.

@penwozhere

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely haha If you do end up learning, we would be happy to help, most of the community is active on Discord

@D1eg0_

Жыл бұрын

Want a teacher :D?

@jan-Pala

Жыл бұрын

do it. doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoit. sorry i get really enthusiastic whenever someone shows the slightest interest in toki pona anyway i will gladly teach you

while laso can mean blue it can also mean green or any colours in between. Cool to see a video on a language I love but god some of the errors hurt.

1:07 "each word's first syllable is emphasized" 3:31 "si-TE-len po-na"

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

lon a,,

toki pona speaker here, you absolutely can't learn to use the language in a day. You might memorize the vocab but you won't be conversational without at least a few weeks of effort. Less than any other language but it's still literally a langauge

@GavinBisesi

Жыл бұрын

​@@busimagen I spend a ton of time teaching it and while you can definitely learn some *phrases* within a day, you aren't going to be conversational. I'd say for me personally, it took me between 1-2 weeks of ~3-7 hours per day interacting with the language in some way (chatting on discord, attempting to talk, reading things people wrote, listening to music and other media, etc) before I could really carry on a conversation. There's an aspect of perspective that you need to learn for toki pona that isn't so much present in many other languages. Because toki pona relies on describing concepts broadly and narrowing them down, rather than having pre-set words for specific things, it takes practice to be able to interpret those descriptions. The words have a semantic range much wider than any natlang I'm aware of, and it also has some fairly unique (or at least rare) grammar features, especially for english learners. I do agree that a dedicated learner with experience in how to approach language learning for efficiency will do well though. I'd like to the discord learning server but I've done that in other comments and they seem to be deleted. Lovely how relevant stuff gets deleted but porn scam comments just go to every video...

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

toki sina li lon a. jan mute pi sona mi li kepeken tenpo sama mun tu wan tawa ken toki pona pi toki pona. jan ante li ken kepeken tenpo ante. taso awen la suno wan taso li ken ala a a. Yeah, between the people I've talked to, a lot say they became conversational about after three months. People may take different amounts of time, but in no way is it going to be one day.

as a toki pona speaker, i’m very glad what appears to be every toki pona speaker on the internet has arrived before i did to correct sam on his pronunciation c:

@yanwato9050

Жыл бұрын

a a a toki sina li lon

This is simultaneously one of your most error-wridden videos and one of the things I am most excited for you to talk about. I kind of hope you take this down and upload a fixed version...

Hello! It’s nice to see you take interest in Toki Pona! I would like to point out that there are some fundamental misconceptions being presented however. After the 1:00 mark, the video begins a narrative that is misrepresentative of the language. Others have already pointed out the grammatical and factual errors. But even with those changed, the video narrative still will not capture the fundamental cultural or philosophical mindset that makes this language work. I think to fix this video, the narrative will need to be redone from scrach. For example, the way coffee is described is not how toki pona speakers speak. I would simply personally say telo wawa or telo pimeja. Long noun phrases aren't a big part of the language in practice. Toki Pona is a language where you build a shared vision with the person you're speaking to, and establish a shared context. This makes the language generally short and concise, contrary to what it might look like if you haven't studied it. I feel like promoting this misconception among others might make this video turn people away from Toki Pona rather than find interest in it. I've been speaking Toki Pona for a year and I run an international Toki Pona language exchange community in VR, where plenty of fluent speakers attend. I would love to invite you to chat sometime if you are interested in fixing the video.

@janNowa

Жыл бұрын

Well said, thank you. Grammar errors are easy to identify and correct, but this type of misrepresentation is far more damaging.

@jansepulon

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, the misrepresentation begins even earlier in the video. At kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZhqxKl6p5jfpJs.html he says that toki pona is the language of good because it's super hard to whine with only 120 words, but it's wrong. It's easy to complain and express complex negative feelings in toki pona once you understand what is happening to you

@namenloss730

Жыл бұрын

i love how people here seem to think of themselves as intellectuals for having learned a toy language...

@janNowa

Жыл бұрын

@@namenloss730 bro mad that their precious KZread channel made a bad video and people are calling them out for it lmao.

@namenloss730

Жыл бұрын

@@janNowa lol, I really don't give much of a crap about this channel, it has occasionaly fun anecdotes at best. You are one of several hundreds with a name in toni poka here. I'm guessing a group of on the spectrum redditers shared the link to come here to defend their toy. I hope it makes you feel special enough on your own to be in that bubble, because nobody outside of your geekdom cares if you speak klingon. (I'm realizing this is insulting to the people who took the time to learn klingon, it's a lot more complexe than your toy)

this has more errors than correct translations lmao

@casperdewith

Жыл бұрын

a a pakala mute kin ·

@janPolijan

Жыл бұрын

waso Keli o, toki!

@KelseyHigham

Жыл бұрын

toki a! :>

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

kulupu pi toki pona li lon toki anpa a. suwi!

@temmiemew

Жыл бұрын

a! waso Keli o! jan Polijan o! palisa jelo Natan o! toki a!

I no longer trust this channel to give accurate information

@sehr.geheim

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't have made a worse video about toki pona if I wanted to, honestly

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

@@sehr.geheim Is that a challenge? 👀

@TwentyDaysOfMay

Жыл бұрын

no one should have trusted it on conlangs ever since their ithkuil video we've been joking about "phenomes" for uh _(checks date)_ over a year and a half now

@WanJae42

Жыл бұрын

This only happened now? lol

@dolorsitametconsectur

Жыл бұрын

@@mamusipipalisajelo5419 please do

Bro being fluent in toki pona while watching this video makes me feel like I'm "having a stroke"

@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa

Жыл бұрын

kon pi pan seli li lon.

900 I can't wait to see what Half as Intelligent gets wrong this time 0:32 Massive pona-fication but yeah 0:43 "Let's start with letters, which are like words but small" (Punches the wall) Dry Humour 1:21 Wait, did he just say "ala" negates the subject. Most of the time when you're using ala, you are negating the verb 1:30 I'll allow the capitalization, since this is someone who has never heard of this lang before 1:48 Pretty sure this is because there wasn't enough enough room up there, but there's also "toki", which means "Hello". There's also "kin" which means "yes" and is functionally the same as "a", and "lon" which also means "yes" but not "kin" or "a" 1:56 Sina, nor sini. This is Oksurn Mk II. 2:30 Changed my mind. This is Oksurn Mk II. 2:32 "To Three and beyond" (Punches the wall). Although, I (personally) would translate "infinity" as "Ale" 2:52 Oh boy I sure hope he doesn't pronounce j as /dʒ/ (English J sound). "poki lohe" WTF?! 2:57 Also, you forgot "mi". And it's "pona tawa" not "poki tawa". "poki tawa [mi]" means "a box to me" 3:13 Okay, I give up. There's so many things to unpack here. I'm 90% sure you, like many beginners of many languages, just looked through a dictionary and tried to find the words you need 3:36 Arabic uses an abjad. It's an alphabet without vowel letters. It's still phonetic, idiot 4:00 This may seem like HAI standing for Half as Intelligent, but h not being in the TP alphabet is actually a pretty good point. The thing is, say you want to transliterate the name "Masahiro", or "Hawaii" or "Haiyi", You'd have to do it like "Masailo" or "Awai" or "Aji". But two vowels next to each other is not allowed in Toki Pona, and the syllable "ji" isn't allowed either". 4:29 "In case you were interested in making Minecraft Borderline Unplayable" (Punches the wall, the ceiling, the floor, a brick, a potato, a Lamborghini and HAI) 4:55 (Punches the aforementioned objects again)

The Arabic writing system is phonetic. It has phonograms that represent individual sounds, not logograms that represent morphemes or words like Chinese

@user-vt9bp2ei1w

Жыл бұрын

In fact, most logograms still contain pronunciation hints, because the number of morphemes in logograms is so large that a hybrid system must be used to deal with the problem of word formation and pronunciation hints. It is estimated that 75%~90% of Chinese characters have pronunciation prompts.

@OmneAurumNon

Жыл бұрын

@@user-vt9bp2ei1w True! I knew many characters included radicals that indicated pronunciation, but I didn't know it was that high a percentage. My main point is just that the Arabic alphabet is the same type of writing system as the Latin alphabet, and not like the nonalphabetic Chinese system.

1:48 nimi sin li lon: pakola! pakola (interjection): to make a mistake in the same way that Half as Interesting did at 1:48 on their video on toki pona.

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

a a nasa. nimi sin ni li ken nasa pona. tan ona li sama nimi "toma" li sama nimi "suke"

This entire video’s script will be on the errors. I appreciate trying to include us, but please check one of the many dictionaries, discords, websites, forums, etc on information about the language and to learn that Arabic is definitely a phonetic script

jan Sam: these sounds can be pronounced by almost anyone! Also Sam at 2:30: _moot_

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

MOOT aaaaaaa

@jownadel1526

Жыл бұрын

lohe

@elemenopi9239

Жыл бұрын

aiyo

@TheDankBoi69

Жыл бұрын

3:15 IYOE

@ellenorbjornsdottir1166

Жыл бұрын

He did say almost. Americans need not apply.

There are quite a few mistranslations here, I'm going to point a few out: technically, toki comes from Tok Pisin "tok", though that word is derived from English talk, so... good enough I suppose. 1:29, 1:55, 2:16, words aren't capitalized in toki pona, unless they are loan words. 1:55 "Sini" should be "sina," also pilin should probably be pronounced more like "pee-leen" (or just /pilin/ in IPA), though its technically not wrong to say it that way, just very English-y. 2:28 mute is pronounced "mu-tey," no silent e's in toki pona. Also, there are kinda more numbers (ala can mean zero, luka can mean both hand and five, mute can mean specifically 20, and ale/ali can mean 100), but they are still pretty frustrating to use and its often just better to avoid them if you can. 2:52 "j" in toki pona is pronounced like English y. Also, this sentence doesn't really make sense. "poki loje lon sinpin li poki tawa" would mean something like "the red box in the wall is a moving-box." What you probably want is either "mi olin e poki loje lon sinpin" (I love red boxes in the wall) or "poki loje lon sinpin li pona tawa mi" (red boxes in the wall are good to me/in my opinion) 3:13 your pronunciation is still pretty off, especially with ijo (should be pronounced more like ee-yo), and the word order is a bit confusing again. "suwi telo wawa kepeken namako en kule ijo kasi" means "strong/energetic wet sugar using spice and natural thing-color." For the intended phrase, you'd probably want "telo suwi wawa kepeken namako kepeken kule pi kasi kiwen" which would roughly be "sweet energetic drink using spice and using the color of a hard plant (a.k.a. wood)" 3:30 sitelen should emphasize the first syllable. "SEE-te-len," not "see-TE-len." also, sitelen pona also could just mean "good writing," since pona means both. 3:35 Arabic does have a phonetic system of writing. It uses an abjad, which is basically just an alphabet without letters for vowels. for another logography, you'd probably want to look at Egyptian heiroglyphs. 3:57 While yes, you can spell out "s-a-m", proper names have to be changed to fit toki pona's syllable structure, which can be tricky. Also, proper nouns are always adjectives that you have to put onto another word, like "jan" for people. Instead of "jan Sam", it'd have to be "jan San" or "jan Samu" or something like that. For HAI, you could possibly do something like "kulupu Eseja" to approximate the sound, or "kulupu pi musi lili" (group "a little interesting", or something like that) 4:05 I'm pretty sure toki pona has a few native speakers, or at least attempts, since people have spoken it around children as they've grown up! Sure, those children also know another language usually, but it is a bit more complicated. While there are quite a few mistakes here, it's still really nice making a video about the language! Hopefully it'll get people interested in learning the language, which is always great! If anyone wants to come try learning the language, I'd definitely recommend it! It is honestly fairly simple to get started, the community is really nice and friendly, and its pretty fun trying to use the limited vocabulary to translate things. Well anyways, mi tawa! o pali e tenpo pona!

@syro33

Жыл бұрын

oh, i also missed "pakola," which should be "pakala"

@casperdewith

Жыл бұрын

@@syro33 a a · pakala musi ·

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

@@casperdewith a toki, jan Kasape o! :>

@trubiso

Жыл бұрын

@@mamusipipalisajelo5419 jan ale pi toki pona li kama lon poki sitelen anpa pi sitelen tawa ni anu seme a a a

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

@@trubiso lon aa

3:40 I will now be using "Pictionary" for a dictionary with logographic/ideographic scripts

0:33 You joke, but that actually was the point. The zen practice or happiness through simplicity.

if this is how accurate your other videos are i cant watch your channel anymore

It has never been more clear that the person writing and the person reading the scripts are not the same lol

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

a a lon,,

every single jan pi toki pona found this video and went "bombastic side eye." "CRIMINAL OFFENSIVE SIDE EYE." also kepeken namako keeps me up at night

@jr.jackrabbit10

9 ай бұрын

through the spicy use

I know about 30 words so far. I really enjoy toki pona. My favorite sentence so far is "soweli meli li lili"

@penwozhere

Жыл бұрын

you're doing really well so far!

@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos

Жыл бұрын

"Female terrestrial mammal is small."

@andrewbounds

Жыл бұрын

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos yeah, I read it as "The female animal is small". I like it because there are so many "li"s.

@janPolijan

Жыл бұрын

yeah, keep practicing, as toki pona is so fun. mi kepeken toki pona lon tenpo ale.

@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos

Жыл бұрын

@@janPolijan sina toki jan seme

Can’t wait to see this video featured multiple times when he does his next recap of mistakes

@janajusimi269

Жыл бұрын

this will be the only video featured in the mistakes thing

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

lon a a

the man somehow got everything he said wrong in some way

As a tokiponist his pronunciations HURT dkdndjddn Just a few important ones - 'mute' is pronounced more like 'moot-ayy' (no silent letters) and the letter J in TP is pronounced like the english letter Y - 'loje' is 'low-yay' Also by the way toki pona isn't ambiguous, it's VAGUE. Ambiguity is when you can't tell the difference between two possible meanings 9f a sentence. Toki pona's words all have specific definitions, but those definitions are broader than any natural language.

if you dont listen to the entire toki pona community dunking on you for this video idk what to tell you. i dont even really speak it myself but there are too many mistakes to count and most of them are blatantly obvious to anyone with even a small amount of exposure to actual speakers. it seems more like you made this entire video in a day, without bothering to contact anyone who actually knew anything about toki pona in the process lol

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

He really was being very meta, demonstrating what toki pona learned in a day is like

there is soooooo much wrong with this, coming from someone actually learning the language

😭 as a waso pi toki pona, this video pains me immensely. videos like these, which clearly have no research done beyond the bare minimum, doom new learners by giving them expectations and heaps of incorrect information. toki pona can't be learned efficiently in a day; some learners are still making discoveries about it years into their learning process. it's not that hard to consult with community members about these things; as many other fellow toki pona speakers have already pointed out everything wrong with this video in particular, you can see that, as a community, we're very enthusiastic and more than willing to aid in the process of making things like this :'( the community deserves better than this 😭

2:30 "Mute" is pronounced as "moo-tay" not "moot". Every letter is pronounced in Toki Pona

As someone who subscribes to quite a few TP KZread channels, I had to do a double take when I realised this was uploaded by HAI and not one of them. Overall, a good overview, but there are some small errors, as some others have pointed out: 1:29 All words should be lowercase, except proper nouns (names). 1:48 'pakola' should be 'pakala'. 1:54 'sini' should be 'sina'. 2:14 While not entirely wrong, it's a little more complicated. Politeness is assumed to be the default; impoliteness can just be expressed through words. It's of course not as complicated as something like English, but that's true with basically everything. 2:24 'While these are the only words that can *only* refer to numbers or amounts, there are other words that people use to refer to numbers (ala = 0, luka = 5, ale/ali = 100). 2:30 'mute' is pronounced 'moo-tay'. Every vowel in TP is pronounced, unlike English. 2:55 I'm going to be honest, I have no idea what you've written here. 'poki' refers to a container, not just something box-shaped. Leko would be more accurate. I also assume the second 'poki' was supposed to be 'pona'. However, I would rephrase this completely as just 'mi olin e leko loje' - 'I love red blocks'. The word olin literally just means 'love'. 3:16 Pretty good, but 'suwi' should come after the word 'telo', as adjectives come after nouns, and 'kule ijo kasi' should be 'kule pi ijo kasi' because of confusing grammar regarding adjectives and adverbs that nobody really understands. Also, 'en' refers to subjects. 'kule' is not a subject, but an adjective, so it should be more like 'telo suwi wawa pi kule pi ijo kasi (kepeken) namako', but even here, 'kepeken' is unnecessary, though not technically incorrect - 'sweet powerful liquid with caffeine' is valid, but it's easier to just say 'sweet powerful caffeinated liquid', especially in TP where it just required the removal of the word 'kepeken instead of completely changing the word order. Other than that, I'd probably describe it in a bit less detail, such as 'telo wawa pimeja' (black, strong liquid) is probably good enough. Despite my paragraph-long rambling, though, it was still understandable. 3:30 'sitelen' should be pronounced as 'SI-te-len', not 'si-TE-len'. Stress always falls on the first syllable. Still really appreciate people talking about this language though. It's great, and the community is one of my favourites online.

@brianush1668

Жыл бұрын

> but 'suwi' should come before the word 'telo', as adjectives come before nouns this is wrong, adjectives in toki pona come after the noun

@notwithouttext

Жыл бұрын

> mi olin e leko loje if you affectionately love bricks, why don't you marry them /j but seriously, olin is AFFECTIONATE love. "leko loje li pona mute tawa mi" or "leko loje li pona suli tawa mi" would be better

@felixroux

Жыл бұрын

@@brianush1668 quite right, my bad. I meant to say it the other way around.

@notwithouttext

Жыл бұрын

@@brianush1668 i think they just got it backwards. in the video suwi came before telo anyway.

@notwithouttext

Жыл бұрын

also with the video, kepeken does not mean "alongside". it means "using" "en" only means "and" in the subject so yeah, it's "telo suwi wawa pi namako kasi pi kule pi kiwen kasi" or probably just "(moku) telo namako (pimeja)"

hey sam! im not sure where you got your information for this video, but most of it is very flawed, misleading, or just dead wrong, from the facts to the translations to the pronunciations. i know you mean well, and as much as i appreciate you putting a spotlight onto the language, i'm concerned about the effects your incorrect information may have on people seeking to learn the language. some of my fellow tokiponists have left comments explaining the errors in detail, and I sincerely hope you take a look at those. i am awaiting the corrections video :)

Today must be jan Misali's favourite day

@notwithouttext

Жыл бұрын

jan misali's favourite day is when community captions come

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

@@notwithouttext a a a

The fact that Half as Interesting could have contacted any one of the many commenters here that are prolific members of the online Toki Pona community (and thus easy to find via the ma pona discord or the official subreddit) and fixed 90% of the errors in a single script run-through-cmon man.

@janNowa

Жыл бұрын

Literally I'm sure most of us would have happily written the entire video at no charge, or at the very least completely reworked the script while keeping the same structure and writing style

lichens also has Toki Pona support, hopefully much more things will too bc Toki Pona has an ISO code, "tok"

another mistake i'm not seeing pointed out: "luka" means five, (or hand, think five fingers), but is not listed at 2:24. any number can be expressed by breaking said number down into these parts, thirteen becomes luka luka tu wan. notably, "ale" is also a common stand-in for 100, but there's less of a consensus there (some people understand it to mean 1000, and i mean like, come on.) nevertheless, toki pona isn't meant for dealing with large numbers, just as arithmetic isn't meant for poetry.

@bztc1234

2 ай бұрын

but jaku means 100 and ale means 1000

Glad that you made this video! I always wanted toki pona to get some more attention

they beating your monsi in the comments rn

If you are seriously interested in toki pona, I would recommend jan Misali’s videos about the language. Tbh this video seems under-researched and rushed

new radio shows?

@notwithouttext

Жыл бұрын

new radio shows?

@Naftoreiclag

Жыл бұрын

new radio shows?

@temmiemew

Жыл бұрын

new radio shows?

@hunterst.arnold6646

Жыл бұрын

new radio shows?

@blobbi

Жыл бұрын

new radio shows?

I’ve tried playing Minecraft in Toki Pona & it’s actually pretty great, except that they haven’t translated a lot of their unique words (like Redstone, Creeper, End, or Piglin).

@_Mikarific_

Жыл бұрын

Hi, one of the people that contibute to Minecraft translations into Toki Pona here. It's because terms like "Redstone" are trademarked and cannot be changed due to Mojang rules. But yeah I primarily play Minecraft in Toki Pona and it's great!

@RichConnerGMN

Жыл бұрын

there's a resource pack that fixes that!!

@jankepijona

Жыл бұрын

@@_Mikarific_ oh geez... really? that sucks. TIL.

This is proof you shouldn't make a video after scanning a wikipedia page real quick.

im so glad you covered toki pona! conlangs are super cool

I feel this would be a great thing to learn before learning another language, it starts by getting people used to the concept of leaning/remembering different terms

I think your next mistakes video should be entirely dedicated to this video, maybe get jan Misali in there

@WhizzKid2012

6 ай бұрын

If you dare to show this video to Conlang Critic, he will rate it below Vötgil.

2:54 "At walls, red containers are moving containers." 3:19 "Energetic liquid sweetness with embellishment, and plant object color."

@peanutcookiefantacheesypan496

Жыл бұрын

I think he doesn’t know about the new word “leko” which means “square” or “cube”, and instead he is using “poki”. The word leko is not in the toki pona book, so I think it’s understandable why he used “poki”. So better sentence might be: “leko loje tomo li pona tawa mi” Red blocks of buildings is good to me

@heavoid

Жыл бұрын

using "poki" for leko is a weird calque. i wonder why not just kiwen.

Simplicity is pretty much the whole point of Toki Pona. You aren't supposed to worry about the specifics. Part of what makes the language so attractive for many is that it is this simplicity that lets users of the language not concern themselves with needing to hyper-specify every little thing. Going to the coffee shop and ordering a caramel macchiato could be as easy as saying "sina o pali e telo pimeja tawa mi. mi wile telo pimeja lon sewi li telo walo. kepeken o telo ko suwi" Or "You, make dark/brown liquid (coffee) for me. I want dark liquid (espresso) on top of white liquid (milk). Use sticky sweet liquid (caramel)! Apologies to any tokiponists who actually know the language in a usable fashion, but I just wanted to demonstrate that communicating ideas in toki pona isn't difficult, it just takes context and a different way of thinking about the world.

My fellow tokiponists... I would rather have a popular channel like this create a video with a positive attitude about the language and community we love than ignore us. If we criticize creators when they make mistakes but work in good faith it reflects badly on us. Be pona.

@wynnexed

Жыл бұрын

i feel like that's the problem though. this would be fine if he only got a few things wrong, but this is so blatantly lazy that it's clear he didn't really try.

For people who can speak toki pona, this video is hilarious but not in the way Sam intended lol. (jan pi toki pona la, sitelen tawa ni li musi mute a! taso, jan San li wile ala e musi ni a!)

Jan Misali would tear this video apart lmao

0:45 actually that's where things are starting to get difficult --- it heavily relies on grammar, phrases etc. --- the same way brainfuck isn't actually a simple computer language just because it has 8 instructions

@felixroux

Жыл бұрын

Brainfuck's actually a really good comparison

I know nothing about this but given by many of the comments down here, this video will be featured prominently in this year's corrections video

I can't wait for the HAI corrections video lol (kulupu HAI li pali e sitelen tawa. sitelen tawa wan li toki e ni: kulupu HAI li pakala mute. mi wile lukin e ona a!)

my favorite toki pona number: "mut". i appreciate the effort, but wow....

@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa

Жыл бұрын

i don't even think there was effort! im like 98% sure they used glosbe, which basically any tokiponist would tell you is a shit idea!

@jankiwisin

Жыл бұрын

@@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa that's valid a a a

@mamusipipalisajelo5419

Жыл бұрын

literally moot point smh

@zodiahk

Жыл бұрын

1 2 moout kek

I guess he needs to fuel the runtime on the next mistakes video somehow

Using overly lengthy noun phrases goes against the philosophy of Toki Pona. It's a language meant to keep things simple and minimalist, so it's perfectly fitting that describing things in detail is difficult and clunky.

toki! I am a speaker of toki pona and I would like to point out a few inconsistencies about your video. Just out of the gate, I would like to say that the "120 words" metric isn't that accurate. As of jan Sonja's "The Toki Pona Dictionary," there is now more like 137 words, including the ku suli. It is not wrong to say it has 120 words, but it is not complete. Secondly, the 30 hours, while not a terrible metric, has questionable sources at best, and was written by people not very ingrained in the community. This is kind of nitpicky but it needs to be said. Also, you passively said that the consonants were based on English but there are some issues with this. First, consonants like p, t, and k are often aspirated in English, but this is canonically incorrect pronunciation. Also, j, is pronounced as English "y," and so this isn't very accurate. A better way to say is to be "The consonants and vowels are pronounced approximately like those in Indonesian." When you are discussing how you say "how are you doing," you use the word "sini" instead of "sina." Also, it is customary to not capitalize the first letter of the sentence, which you do throughout the entire video. Also, when you said "there is no way to specify politeness," this really isn't that accurate. toki pona is assumed to be polite unless specifically specifying otherwise. While there may not be direct ways to translate phatic expressions, you can construct these in context. For example, if you helped me understand a concept in my math class, I could say "sina pona tawa mi tan pana sona" which literally translates to "you are good in the perspective of me because the giving of knowlege," or "You are good to me because you taught me." Basically, I am saying that phatic expressions are highly context dependent, and thus to say there isn't really a way to express them is kind of ignorant. Your segment on numbers described numbers without mentioning the various nasin nanpa-s that exist. For example, using wan (1), tu (2), luka (5), mute (20), and ale (100), you can make numbers like 34 (mute luka luka tu tu), or 65 (mute mute mute luka), or a bunch of other numbers. Also, you said "moot" for mute instead of "moo-tay" Also, your segment on "coffee" wasn't very accurate. While to completely remove ambiguity you have to make long phrases, context removes a lot of this. If it is the morning and you say you are at starbucks, saying something like "I am drinking a black coffee with foam," you could say "mi moku e telo pimeja e ko suwi," or "I consume the black liquid and sweet semisolid" which should get the point across. About your short mention of names, you forgot to mention a common practice dubbed tokiponization, which is when you edit your name to fit toki pona phonetics. My name, for example, Wyatt, could be approximated using "Waja." another example is Sebastian, which could be "Sapasan" or "Sapasin." This is often left to the person you are talking to, so theoretically you could use a completely unrelated name to be referred to. You also should have mentioned the cartouches and headnouns used for names. When talking about AI, you suggest that AI are good at recognizing speech patterns in toki pona. However, this does not mean they are good at recognizing it. Artificial Intelligence is notoriously bad at context. And, since toki pona is highly context dependent, this makes it very hard to get an AI to understand the full depth of meaning that toki pona has. Also, lastly, you forgot to mention that the discord communities existed. Communities like ma pona pi toki pona or kama sona are not only important to the community, but popular places to come to learn toki pona. If you're going to mention the reddit and facebook communities, the discord communities should not be left out. You should also look into the telegram groups that house the non-english-speaking population of toki pona. And with that, I bid farewell. mi tawa!

I mean do I report this for misinformation

@wynnexed

Жыл бұрын

yes

@michaelmam1490

Жыл бұрын

I am a friend of his, and I can tell you that he and his team are doing professional trolling.